Candle Lit wrote:
"Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."
This quote is attributed to Einstein in a discussion with a professor. Whether or not it occurred, I don't know, but it is one way to look at the issue.

John UK wrote:
Maybe the expression should have been 'limited application' rather than limited atonement. I think you will find that many neo-frenchies actually believe that the sins of God's elect were all counted, in terms of value, in terms of depth of punishment, actual sins. This cannot be right, because punishment for sin is eternal and infinite. And remember that you have to develop doctrine from scripture, not the other way round

The name Jesus comes from two words which mean "Jehovah saves" Thus HE was named in terms of what HE would accomplish quote "save HIS people"

That is precisely what God and Jesus ordained and accomplish.

The atonement and the blood are applied to salvation - BY GOD (R) BY GOD - to the ELECT.

GOD *LIMITS* Atonement.

The alternative UNlimited atonement would imply universalism.

But as per usual John you are attacking Calvinism because as you have hinted at before YOU don't like it. Hence your constant "racist" comment "frenchies" Can't you say the mans name without being nasty?

John UK wrote:
Joe, you are asking me to answer a hypothetical question, but if you mean by "can" the ability, then yes, because of the infinite nature of the atonement.
But if you mean by "can" the possibility, then no, of course not. There would be no purpose in election then, would there.

Because God "LIMITS" the application of the atonement to His own Elect.
That is why it is called "LIMITED ATONEMENT"

John UK wrote:
Nothing in this verse about saving faith either.

Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith.

Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF OUR FAITH; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

God dealt to man
God decided the measure
of Faith.

Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as GOD HATH DEALT TO EVERY MAN THE MEASURE OF FAITH.

Dealt
Authored
measured
finisher
of
Faith
Is by God and His Son Jesus.

Aaaww what a shame. And I thought it was just a simple matter of jumping from mammon to God in one easy bound???

Religious speculation by the polsters and even some denominations is becoming so rediculous.

"Bishop O'Donoghue, who has recently published a report on how to renew Catholicism in Britain, argued that mass education has led to "sickness in the Church and wider society"."

Well how about that!

Buddha's back.

Faithful Remnant wrote:
1] As for the Limited Atonement doctrine, I have often found it to be the most questionable of the five Doctrines of Grace....still wrestle with it.

2] I think whether one is Calvinist or not, there is agreement that only believers benefit from the Atonement(only the sheep).

In #1 you appear to question your own conclusion?

GG wrote:
The problem is a Faith that insists that it knows everything, when "all Knowlegde" is clearly beyond us

Question Who compromised???