Democratic Sen. Steve Farley attended the meeting and posted Allen‚Äôs comments on social media. Farley also mentioned that Allen‚Äôs idea goes against the Constitution.
Didn't Allen say: "Probably we should be debating a bill requiring every American to attend a church of their choice on Sunday to see if we can get back to having a moral rebirth,‚ÄĚ she told the committee, as reported by KPHO.
That sounds to me agreeable to Mr. Obama's statement that our Constitution promotes Religious pluralism and he is a Constitutional lawyer.
Or is it because of the day of the week? that relates to the 4th Commandment, one day in seven that belongs to God; when the other six are given to man for his necessary labors and/or the Commandments violate the first amendment separation of Church and State? Is it then a violation to enforce moral law? but not immoral?
Also wrote: The Word of God says Christ is the Head. Colossians 1 clearly states that Jesus Christ, the Creator and Sustainer of all things should be given pre eminence in all things. We would submit to his headship. How would it work? We would love one another as God in Christ has loved us. Galatians 5 also infers that that there would be no need for the law mentioned in 1 Timothy 1:9. If one is born of the Spirit of God, having the Spirit of Christ and walking accordingly, Galatians 5:23 says there is no law against Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself (Luk 10:27). Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law (Rom 13:10).
Thank you for your answer.
I had a tendency to think my frustration with computers today was the Lord's oversight.
You didn't say which blog. There are 7 pages of blogs. Can you give me a hint? Which one of the 7 pages contains your blog?
John UK wrote: So are you saying that the Lord Jesus Christ is Head of the Church, and that the State also should give its allegiance to the Lord Jesus Christ? What does that mean, and how would it work out in practise?
This is my third attempt and I'm tired and computer frustrated because of my ignorance of how it works Q. 1 A. Yes
Q.2 A. Col 1
Q.3 A.Can't even do justice to an attempt just now. I lost what I wanted to say Sorry
John UK wrote: .. and perform their duties as kings and priests, and ambassadors of Christ, having varying gifts to all be used for the edification of the body and outreach to the community.
Rev.1:5,6 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
If you mean by kings; saints like David, Solomon and Joseph, who were typical of Christ. Solomon in Israel typified his dominion, but a greater than Solomon is here before us to consider.
I believe in the separation of Church and State as to their duties but not as to their allegiance to Christ v.22 Christ's donative dominion for the good of his Church cannot omit his care for her peace and safety. His essential dominion as Creator God makes him Lord of all his creatures and gives him an interest in all their actions 1 Tim. 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murde
Grateful wrote: Thank you "Mourner." You have made Philemon 7 a reality. Just to have your personal and a specific response meant so much. Sometimes we find that even among those we fello there is no one who shares your perspective, or Biblical view. But your posting did my soul well. Isaiah 59: Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: He has heard. Thank you. God is great to bless you.
First, I'll explain my choosing "Mourner" as you noted. It is based on what I believe Ezek. 9:4 and Rev. 15:1-5 teaches and when v. 5 is fulfilled I will no longer mourn for in a greater measure will "thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." be observable. When Jesus Christ and him crucified is again heard as God being just in justifying sinners, then we'll all walk more humbly with our God; it will be easier to lead and to be led. See Ps. 16:1-3 regarding my answer to prayer in your kind responce. "fello"? Do you believe we differ? How so?
John, I'm saying to be satisfied to call 'your' denomination the Church is to be satisfied with schism and division and content to be walking in the flesh.
John UK wrote: So how do Presbyterians know if they are engaged with true Presbyterianism? Just askin'.
Best answer Psalm 133, Unity in the truth. Aaron the type of Christ our great High Priest is anointed with the oil of gladness above his fellows. The Holy Spirit is poured out without measure upon Him as the Head of His body. His Spirit flows down to it lowest member. Our Head gave gifts to his Church Ephes. 10-16 for that purpose (unity in the Truth), the gifts are His members too and we are all brethren, under one Head. His doctrine (teaching) as our Prophet is our Charter, and his Authority as our King and only Potentate is our chief Magistrate. Ministers and Magistrates must be under Christ to be over his saints, perceptively, that is. That there are many providentially over them who are not, is according to the secret counsel of God by his decrees executed in creation and providence, but as far as we are concerned Deut. 29:29
It is impossible to "do all the words of this law" without Christ or out from under his Headship, for he is the fulfillment of the law and we are accepted in the Beloved. Our sanctification is only perfected in glory, here it is a work in progress.
Good Christian Sabbath or Lord's Day; Dorcas and Shane. Psalm 92
1 Cor.3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. 3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
Isn't that where this step of apostasy began? True Presbyterianism cannot be called a denomination. Neither can it claim to be the true body of Christ in the USA. Envy, and strife are works of the flesh and the beginning of the end we see which is a glaring departure for the Scriptures of truth.
All schismatic bodies who make claim to be the Church must prove it from the Charter which is the Word of God. Who was warning them of their envy, strife and all their other downward steps?
James 4:5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?
6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
MS wrote: Nice to see you posting again. Psalm 67 is one of our favorites to sing to our Great God. The psalmist wants all nations to praise God, who is a just ruler of people and a guide for all the countries, as he states in vs. 3-4.
Thank you. Yes, it's been a while. A lot has changed in computer world since last I had access to one. I'm struggling. Maybe you can help me. When I go to listen to a sermon the little block comes up in the left upper corner and there is nothing to make it start to play??? How does it work?
Grateful wrote: May we all take Deuteronomy 5:29 to heart so that Psalm 67 becomes a testimony to God's truth. This should be the prayer of every believer - Psalm 67. It changes our perspective each time it is uttered. It wakens us.
I sang Psalm 67 last evening before bed and this morning as I was recalling portions of history relevant to what I had been reading on the American Revolution, I followed a train of thought that brought me to Isaiah 52:
13 Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.
14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:
15 So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.
Isaiah 59: 1 Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
Pray on Grateful for our families, nation and the world,
SteveR wrote: What you call 'constant false representation' is an essential part of Christian fellowship by those you desire prayers from
I desire Christ's intercession, I desire the prayers of the elect. I know the election of no man, I believe even the elect are sinners. I believe there is error in the best of saints. I know how ignorant I have been for many years and I know not the ignorance that I still embrace.
I do not believe in familiar fellowship and this is a great temptation at this time for me. I have tried to maintain occasional fellowship, maybe with too much frequency. I know they hold me as separate from them in doctrine, worship and discipline. I have not been unclear as to what I believe. You and I on the other hand claim to believe the same doctrine, but have differences in worship, and discipline. I grant I may not understand what you are saying, but it is more then a little evident that my stands against the papacy and those who remain in the Church of Rome have been very different then yours. If I have stumbled you in this matter forgive me; if I have stumbled others, I ask their forgiveness.
May the Lord of mercy & grace decide the matter as He sees it. Lord have mercy on me a sinner.
Rev. 13:13 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
I find it curious that there is a constant false representation of 'Presby' (which is derogatory) upon all who believe there has only, ever been one Covenant of Grace. For the truth of the matter is that all Reformed Christians believe that. Presbyterian, the Scriptural form of Church Gov't. is a form of Government over the Church as One in doctrine, worship and discipline. At this time in history, it exists conceptually only. Mr. James Renwick's Informatory Vindication explains the Scriptural reasons for separation, but Paul states this is related to sin in 1 Cor.
As the Lord has graciously taught me, He has mercy on whom he will. Mercy is what caused God to look on poor pathetic sinners and condescend to love and provide for them what they could not do for themselves. There is no greater poverty then a fallen sinner before a Thrice Holy God, nor greater riches then the love of God in Christ.
God in Christ offers himself to poor needy ones and as the Captain of our Salvation, our Jehoshua says: As for me and my house we will serve the Lord. Read Joshua 24 in the NT light you all have. We cannot obey God, only Christ can. We are accepted in the Beloved, he offers Himself in a marriage Covenant as Head and Husband of His Bride the Church. He initiates and enables.
Dorcas wrote: Mourner.....as you stated you may be leaving the forum....will continue to remember you in prayer for your situation. All of Gods best to you.
I didn't mean to pass by your comment unnoticed Dorcas, It was both noted and appreciated. To leave this forum gives me little to no opportunity for spiritual conversation. Not for want of trying. Please pray the Lord grant me His fellowship in greater measure until he finds me my people. I am taunted daily with the words "Find your people" God knows that is my great desire. Psalm 74:19 O deliver not the soul of thy turtledove unto the multitude of the wicked: forget not the congregation of thy poor for ever.
20 Have respect unto the covenant: for the dark places of the earth are full of the habitations of cruelty.
21 O let not the oppressed return ashamed: let the poor and needy praise thy name.
22 Arise, O God, plead thine own cause: remember how the foolish man reproacheth thee daily.
23 Forget not the voice of thine enemies: the tumult of those that rise up against thee increaseth continually. The dark places of the earth are those without the true gospel and I know of no potential place closer than 200 miles.
JSC wrote: I want to make it clear I cannot vote for anyone lest I violate my conscience. I do not see the lesser of two evils argument as viable either. Lest one were to prove himself tested by the word I will not cast my acceptance of him nor desire for his leadership. Find me one that does not covet his fame nor glory and his heart is pure before the Lord
Shorter Catechism WCF Q.30 How doth the Spirit apply to us the redemption purchased by Christ?
A. The Spirit applieth to us the redemption purchased by Christ, by working faith in us and thereby uniting us to Christ in our effectual calling.
Q.31 What is effectual calling?
A. Effectual calling is the work of God's Spirit, whereby, convincing us of our sin and misery, enlightening our minds in the knowledge of Christ and renewing our wills, he doth persuade and enable us to embrace Jesus Christ, freely offered to us in the gospel.
That's how it works practically, that was my 'experience'.
I deleted what I didn't have room to write coherently in answers to the questions, I didn't answer. Lurker can fill you in on sitting ducks. I told him I'm a flying duck.
I've heard of crony capitalism, but crony denominational ism? I thought the Scripture teaches that division and schism is sin. Crony sinners?
I have been taught that the heart is the intellect, will and affections. I'm neither a Hebrew, nor Greek scholar. But when I'd read Deut.6:4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
That definition seemed to fit in that context. Might would seem like physical strength, soul seems like the life of God breathed into man at creation/procreation. We all become living souls, but we are all different. A body without a soul is dead. A body and soul, without the spirit of God is dead in trespasses and sins a child of disobedience walking after the prince of the power of the air.
People who come to Christ out of unchurched backgrounds, who have been openly lawless are more likely to have dramatic experiences. But what of those who have been nurtured all their lives in the truth. God's dealings with them are no less effectual, just less dramatic?
3 Certain signs wrote: Mourner In the context of: Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? How do you know that you have saving faith? Can you know for sure? Or do you live in hope?
I think I understand why you quoted Jer.17:9 I misspoke. When I said I do not believe men can know infallibly another man's heart, only God can.
That wasn't what I meant. It seems to me there are a number of persons that think themselves able to know infallibly if another post it note is saved. I find that very concerning. I know GOD ALONE knows the heart, men judge externals, in the right context they should be able to observe the fruits in a fellow believer's life. True fellowship is related to a common Savior and belief in the truth.
I just got a phone call where I was barraged with questions. I didn't know this person, I'd answered the first question, then as the next came I asked who is this? She gave the name of a company, I presume. I questioned what the name meant and she repeated her second question. I stated I don't know who you are? Then she said if I wouldn't verify her question she could go no further and hung up.
Your successive questions remind me of that woman. I don't know you
Doing more reading and thinking then writing but decided to stop by quickly because my son has just come to retrieve their computer that was visiting with them for sometime now. They left last weekend and they'll have intranet tomorrow. Computer's leaving now, well maybe not, he just went out the door saying, see you tomorrow. He may have thought it left with his brother. It wan't in his office, it was in my room.
The long and short of it is my time on SA is wrapping up. Bitter-sweet climbs on the vine outside my window and it reminds me of my time here.
RK Borrill I was going to reply with a question to some of what you've said and if able later, I will. For the record I don't know you, or exactly what you believe; but from what I've read of your posts your opposers are presuming they do. So much so that they can judge your fruits, which I believe cannot be done from a post it note. I also believe 1 Sam 16:7b for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.
Micheal, I had a close friend with a great testimony and experiences that seemed agreeable to it. However last I knew she was denying the authority of Scripture. I do not believe men can know infallibly another man's heart, only God can.