Frank wrote: We have Abrahamâs faith and his works being noted. James is comparing what Abraham did and what Rahab did to saving or genuine faith. He is clearly saying that if our faith does not produce works when it is called upon to do so, then that faith is dead and is not saving faith. But if we look at this a little closer it becomes clear that he is not saying that works produces faith, but simply that works demonstrates that we have faith. Remember I am not saying that saving faith wonât produce works. What I am maintaining is that the works cannot produce faith, but simply documents that our faith indeed gave us a new heart that desires to serve Christ. Notice how he says âshow me your faithâ and then says his faith will be shown by works. The issue he is bringing up is clearly not works, but what constitutes saving faith. We could easily in different jargon say something like, âif you love me, then you will do such and suchâ. This is not the same as saying âif you do such and such, then you love meâ. My personal desire is to live a holy and blameless life in this lost and fallen world! See Pilgrim, you have had a positive effect on me.
Fine. Works do not produce faith. Right. They go together. Synonymous. Yep.
John UK wrote: More delaying tactics! Of course, you dare not come out with what you regard as the gospel, because it would reveal you as a heretic. You accuse others, just like the "accuser of the brethren", and have NO concern - ZILCH - for their eternal condition. Now maybe you'd like to apologise before we carry on. ___________ Elder Frank
Actually it's you who are being disrespectful. I can only reply to one question at a time. SermonAudio does not allow consecutive replies. I attempted to reply to you immediately but I was refused. You have to wait for someone to reply to you before you can reply again.
As for the gospel. You believe. You repent and forsake your sins through a season of godly sorrow, seeking God's forgiveness, being born again. You take up your cross and follow Christ. You walk after the spirit and not the flesh. The old man is crucified with its passions and desires.
Frank wrote: He is all yours Pilgrim. It would appear that he doesn't believe that we are completely and finally justified by our Substitute. Christ is my righteousness and His righteousness was imputed to me. Sounds a little like the holiness movement or another works based salvation theology?
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? (James 2:20) Yea, a man say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works (James 2:18).
You prove my point. Holiness? Works? These seem like unclean words to you. Like the Pharisees you think you are justified in your sins. You are going to find out the hard way that this is not the case. Abraham's faith was imputed to him as righteousness, because he produced the fruit required, which is righteousness, obedience, holiness etc. The false gospel negates this. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition (Matt 15:6).
John UK wrote: Hey, fellow Pilgrim. I'm not so sure. After all, the Bible says that "all have sinned" and "the whole world is guilty before God", so I can only imagine Lee thinks a baby remains sinless for a very short time before it sins and is guilty, needing a Saviour. If that is the case, the gospel for those of age cannot be any different because of a different view of original sin, because the facts speak for themselves. It is only a sinner who needs the gospel. What sayest thou, Lee? What is thy gospel for sinners?
Because all sinned. The fact is Augustine developed his ideas from gnostic teaching and the Manichean cult to which he was affiliated, and a faulty translation of the Bible (Jerome). At Romans 5:12, Jerome's translation reads "In whom all sinned", not "because all sinned." A sinner needs the real gospel, not a counterfeit. The real gospel purges you of your sins, not merely covers them. The false gospel leaves you in yours sins, the real gospel brings you out of yours sins. Simple as that.
Frank wrote: Hey Pilgrim! I think Lee finally clarified his earlier comment when he said we don't inherit a sin nature. Clearly anyone who professes this, will have a different gospel than you and I regardless of how he tries to spin it.
Absolutely right. Your gospel and mine is different. Yours is the gospel according to Augustine. Augustine's gospel was not the gospel of the early Church and is certainly not the gospel of the Bible, regardless how you spin it. The religious establishment think they have it right, as ever, just like the Pharisees of old.
Michael Hranek wrote: Lee Interesting but are you really sure about this? In sin my mother conceived me, is kind of born out in the reality parents know babies are born with a sinful nature and we don't have to teach our children to sin, to act selfishly, to be unthankful, to lie, to steal (like from another child), to disobey their parents, etc., do we. I am sure there is a whole lot more to this area of discussion but for now OOS
Psalm 51 does not prove Original Sin. The language is figurative. Will David really be purged with hyssop, will his bones really rejoice? In any case his mother is the subject of the clause. His mother was the sinner, not David himself unborn. Not all Children act selfishly, some are as meek as a lamb. You are describing simply variations in human temperament. This is not an inherited sin nature.
When you boil it all down there's not a lot of difference really. That's why they both get along. They're both in error. Both founded on the Original Sin heresy introduced by Augustine in the 4th Century. Prior to then nobody taught man was born in sin or that he somehow inherited a sin nature from Adam. Babies are born innocent (Deut 1:39, John 1:9, Matt 18:3; 19,14). The Bible is clear: sin conceives not at birth but when man corrupts himself by his own choice (James 1:14,15). Neither can sin be inherited (Ezek 18:20) Upon the false doctrine of Original Sin is constructed an entire system of error that has all but destroyed the gospel message and its capacity to redeem man from the corrupting influence of sin. If you doubt what I am saying study the early Church Fathers who were tutored by the disciples themselves.
The pro-gay authors found that orientation only was stable year after year among heterosexuals. Why? Simple. Because, if you read the book of Jude, these are the ones that had "not left their first estate" which is the natural default position of everybody. Once you leave your first estate you're like a car that is out of control and there's no telling where you'll end up. Unless you repent.
I've been confined to a wheelchair since 1978 and had a stroke in 2008. Unable to attend services in a church. Thank God for Cleveland Baptist Church. Its like what I grew up win in C. Their ministry has reached a 60 year old guy in NJ.
Amazing Sermon! Listen! Great explanation of the cross which addressed one of the often overlooked details of the cross. When Christ took the wrath of almighty God in our place in the hours of darkness. Praise God !
The root of the problem is the 501(c)(3) status, together with legal incorporation of the local assembly. Neither of these characterized local assemblies in the apostolic era.
Contributions made to an entity which enjoys the 501(c)(3) status are tax-deductible. Many Christians stubbornly refuse to contribute unless the contribution is tax-deductible. Also, the 501(c)(3) status may provide exemption from property taxation.
In exchange for 501(c)(3) status, Caesar demands the right to edit that which is taught from the pulpit.
A Matter Which Most Preachers Do Not Understand All forms of gambling, including the lottery, are sinful, simply because they are based upon covetousness -- every participant desires to walk away with the money of the other participants.
The fact that participation is voluntary does not change the fact that every participant covets that which does not belong to him.
Regrettably, few of the men who today stand in the pulpits of this land understand that the fundamental sin of the gambler is covetousness.
And the fact that it fostered architectural innovation helps to vindicate its other (often horrific acts)? In addition, God is not interested in gradiose buildings supposedly used to worship Him. The New Testament states that believers are the temple of God, and that the Holy Spirit indwells them. There are no N.T. admonitions regarding the building of costly "houses of worship," but, in fact, just the opposite.