Dear sister Dorcas, I will continue to keep you in prayer. May God give you strength and see you thru this difficult time. Much love to you.
Now, concerning the insanity of the Pharisees on this thread, I thought this from John Newton was most appropriate, "Among the many general causes of decline in grace, we may assign a principal place to spiritual pride and self-admiration. If our attainments in knowledge and giftedness, and even in grace--seduce us into a good opinion of ourselves, as if we were wise and good--we are already ensnared, in danger of falling every step we take, of mistaking the right path, and proceeding from bad to worse--without a power of correcting or even of discovering our deviations! That is--unless and until the Lord mercifully interposes, by restoring us to a spirit of humility, and dependence upon Himself. For God, who gives more grace to the humble--resists the proud! He beholds them with abhorrence--in proportion to the degree in which they admire themselves! It is the invariable law of His kingdom, that everyone who exalts himself--shall be abased!"
one last time, for the sake of the Pharisees... "And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart." Psalm 104:15
Wine - yayin- From an unused root meaning to effervesce; wine (as fermented); by implication intoxication: - banqueting, wine, wine [-bibber]. "Here is wine, that makes glad the heart, refreshes the spirits, and exhilarates them, when it is soberly and moderately used, that we may not only go through our business, but go through it cheerfully." Matthew Henry " Wine, in moderate quantity, has a wondrous tendency to revive and invigorate the human being. Ardent spirits exhilarate, but they exhaust the strength; and every dose leaves man the worse. Unadulterated wine, on the contrary, exhilarates and invigorates: it makes him cheerful, and provides for the continuance of that cheerfulness by strengthening the muscles, and bracing the nerves. This is its use. Those who continue drinking till wine inflames them, abase this mercy of God." Adam Clarke
"Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works." Ecc. 9:7
The word of God proves the female pharisees here are liars.
you report my comment and have it removed for suggesting you follow your own advice, then you continue to confront everyone on these boards and point out, in your mind, the 'error' of what they state. It takes quite a bit of nerve to continue telling everyone else how wrong they are. Using condescending words like 'friend' and 'kind regards' or 'sorry' is quite subtle. You said this to sister Dorcas, "Sorry, but is rather grieving to observe the party spirit and huff attitude in your remarks and of others", and yet, your comment stands....go figure. You can accuse and speak harshly, and it's ok.
I recall the word of God stating not all who say 'Lord Lord' will enter His kingdom. Self-examination is a must.
A.A. is a non-religious organization, you can pray to the 'god of your understanding'. John Lanagan at https://mywordlikefire.com/ has many posts dealing with the erroneous teachings of A.A. As Connor wisely stated, praying to who? Now, we know the Bible says God does not hear the prayers of the wicked - Proverbs 15:29 The LORD is far from the wicked: but he heareth the prayer of the righteous. John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.
With that said, how is it this study can make such a claim? It can't, this is false information based on some alleged scientific study. From the article, "However, when the test subjects recited the AA prayer, their cravings lessened." This canned prayer has no power to break the bondage of sin. There is no mention of sin in this canned prayer, and no repentance. Science is trying to understand the bondage of sin/addiction based on brain activity, they need to stop wasting their time. Sin is a heart issue, lust is what drives sinners to partake in their sin[s] of choice. There's your trigger - lust. This article is a waste of time and has no value for the sinner who remains in bondage to their addiction. Only Christ can set sinners free.
Sister Dorcas - this is for you - "Jewels are polished for the sake of removing specks and blemishes from them. They are often cut and polished on purpose to make them look more beautiful. If a large diamond is to be put on the crown of some great king, it is only by cutting and polishing that it can be made to shine with all its brilliance.
When you look at a diamond, you see that it has many faces or sides. These don't belong to diamonds naturally. When they are found in the mines, they have none of these smooth faces. They are then like little pebble-stones, without any particular shape. These smooth, even sides are made by the jeweler, by grinding and polishing. And they are made on purpose to make the diamond look more beautiful.
In the same way, God cuts and polishes His jewels in order to make them shine more brightly and beautifully in the crown of His glory in Heaven.
Sometimes we see good Christian people who have very heavy trials which they are obliged to bear for many years. And when we see them bearing those trials, we often wonder what it is all for.
God is using those trials just as the jeweler uses the files and wheels--to polish His jewels so as to make them brighter and more beautiful in Heaven." - Richard Newton, "Bible Jewels"
Observer, Thank you for upholding God's truth. Your clear presentation of scripture was refreshing. Blessings to you for putting God's truth first and not basing anything on opinion. We must always remain teachable and not become puffed up. I recall being told to examine myself, those who think others need examined should ponder this- "We deal with a slack hand in things pertaining to our own sins, and let things go unreproved and uncondemned in ourselves which we are sharp enough to discover and rebuke in others. Deal honestly with every part of your daily life; in regard to duty, or trial, or sacrifice, or self-denial, or forbearance with others. We have few excuses for others, many for ourselves; evils that seem monstrous in others are trifles in us. When looking at others, we use a microscope; at ourselves, we either shut our eyes or put on a veil. This dishonest dealing is very pernicious; this 'covering of sin' is destructive both of peace and progress. Let us fling away self-esteem and high-mindedness, for it is the very essence of unbelief. Be meek, be poor in spirit, be humble; be teachable, be gentle, and easy to be entreated; putting away all high thoughts and lofty imaginations." - Horatius Bonar
Forgive me for overlooking your need for prayer concerning employment. I will pray for you here shortly, may God open this door for you and enable you to provide the necessary means for yourself and your loved ones. I recall the words of that great Apostle, 'my God shall supply all my needs'. You have a need, our God shall surely meet that need
What a blessing it is to hear from you; I am sorrowed that you are in the valley. However, I know our Lord means it for your good and He WILL see you through. Yes, I have prayed for you and will continue to do so. May the Lord pour out His grace, strength, guidance, love and wisdom on you...and on all the saints. We are all nearing the end of our journey and will soon cross over. I am anxious for this journey to end and be done with the insanity of this world. Praise God my hope is in Christ and nothing else
Blessings to you; thank you for your concern. God is so good and very merciful to me and I praise Him for His faithfulness. I am glad you asked about sister Dorcas, I was just thinking of her earlier. I pray she blesses us with a response.
It has been a blessing to read some of the very insightful comments posted here; may God bless those who rightly divide His truth.
sc, you state this "How much sense does it make to oppose "moderate" drug use if one drinks alcohol (which is a drug) for pleasure?" All I can say is that you have serious issues that cloud your perception. As Unprofitable Servant has so wisely warned, " Don't pride yourself as a voice of the Holy Spirit in the life of another believer or think that your logic is infallible." Please, heed that warning. Thank you dear sister MS for your words of encouragement, sin always takes us farther than we need to go. Your comment was spot on.
Frank, your true life experience was rich in truth. You stated "All of the rest of us drank the wine. My friend did what he did so he wouldnâ€™t be condemning others because they drank, but simply that his conscience didnâ€™t allow him to do it. All of us were completely and totally biblically correct." This truly is a wonderful example of the point that was being made, thankyou and God bless
I praise God for the support of my faithful brothers in Christ. I saw the unwarranted accusation against Frank as well and believe both sc and BM are extremely legalistic in their views, as well as filled with the root sin of pride. We all battle pride, my prayer is that we see our sins and stop biting and devouring the brethren over personal opinions. This is not pleasing to our Lord at all - may He do the work necessary to keep the unity. May we all see the need to love one another and walk humbly with our God.
You claim wine has duel meanings, yet in the verses I gave, wine is fermented.
Then, you have the audacity to say "I can suggest that you have no qualms about any other intoxicants if you have no problem with the intoxicant of your choice." Again, you are on a roll. You rant about your pet peeve sins, then you attack and accuse when your rant can be discredited by God's word. John UK has given the very same verse I referred to, where Christ Himself states He drank wine. That verse was completely ignored by you, go figure.
BTW, 'wine' in Psalm 104 is from the Hebrew yayin, meaning 'intoxication - banqueting, wine, wine[bibber] - from Strong's Matthew Henry's commentary - "Here is wine, that makes glad the heart, refreshes the spirits, and exhilarates them, when it is soberly and moderately used, that we may not only go through our business, but go through it cheerfully. "
It's wise not to hold to our own views up as truth vs God's truth, for you make God out to be a liar. If you desire not to drink, as some do, then so be it. Don't force your opinions on others.
I understood your comment, and I agree with you. Thank you for your clarification.
sc, try to stay focused. Now, where did I say I condone drug use? You falsely accuse, argue from opinion, then take one verse and state it means one cannot drink wine in moderation. So, what do you do with the verse I posted that states Christ drank wine in His day? Ovadal has some good sermons, but he can be legalistic in his views. Take the verses you gave in context. If a believer is weak and prone to drunkenness, then by all means, have enough decency NOT to drink a glass of wine in front of them. That isn't the issue sc, and that verse doesn't say you cannot have wine. It states you should not cause another, a weaker brother, to stumble. Discernment should be exercised in all matters, not just those related to your pet peeves.
What do you do with these verses? Psalm 104:14.15 He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth; And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart. Wine in and of itself is not sinful. Those who abuse wine, those who are guilty of gluttony, greed, immorality, perversion, etc. do so because their nature
Legalism can overcome anyone, so can haughtiness. We can fall into the trap of letting our opinions run so high that we seek to enforce them as 'law' on others.
I found John Gill's commentary on the verse you provided interesting, "Be not amongst winebibbers,.... Who drink to excess, otherwise wine may be drank, provided moderation is used; but it is not good to be in company with, excessive drinkers of it, lost a habit of excessive drinking should be acquired."
Frank, I appreciate your comment. Unfortunately, here we go again. Opinions run strong on this matter, but there isn't any scriptural support presented to back those opinions. A link was provided to a sermon by Ralph Ovadal, but that isn't what I asked for.
I found this verse interesting, "The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children." Matthew 11:19
Apparently Christ did drink the wine of His day, and it must have been fermented. If it weren't, why the accusation that He is a 'winebibber'? Emotions and opinions run strong on the matter, but we must let the word of God determine our actions and thinking. I am still waiting for a verse that states you cannot have a glass or a cup of wine. Incidentally, you can by non-fortified wine if you desire.
Was Christ sinning when He commanded His disciples to drink wine? The bible does not forbid drinking wine, it does forbid drunkenness. We have liberty in Christ, and we must exercise moderation and self control as well. You continually state your opinion, but you have no scriptural support for your view. If you can show all here that drinking wine is sinful, then by all means do so. If not, then it may be best to refrain from pushing your opinion off as biblical fact.
This is much needed for all, from J.C. Ryle - "Let it be a settled principle in our religion, that there is an amount of weakness in all our hearts of which we have no adequate conception, and that we never know how far we might fall if we were tempted. We know nothing at all. The seeds of every sin are latent in our hearts, even when renewed, and they only need occasion, or carelessness and the withdrawal of God's grace for a season--to put forth an abundant crop. The servant of Christ will do wisely to remember these things. "Let him that thinks he stands, take heed lest he fall." (1 Corinthians 10:12.) A humble sense of our own innate weakness, a constant dependence on the Strong for strength, a daily prayer to be preserved, because we cannot preserve ourselves--these are the true secrets of safety!
Let us watch jealously over our hearts, and beware of giving way to the beginnings of sin. Happy is he who fears always, and walks humbly with his God. The strongest Christian is the one who feels his weakness most, and cries most frequently, "Hold me up--and I shall be safe!"