I'm afraid that Reformed churches have way to many people in them who think they were chosen by God and really aren't because they were never taught how to be saved. One could go to these churches thinking, I believe there is a God, I attend church, and I try to be nice, therefore I am saved. There is no favoritism with God! If He loves one sinner then He loves them all.
I'm married and still love other people. We are even commanded to love our enemies! If you consider homosexuals your enemies or friends, then you should love them either way. To me, that would mean you are okay with protecting them from violence or death. If that is even what this official is doing.
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him BEFORE THE FOUNDATION of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having PREDESTINATED *US* unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will"
Who are in Christ? Believers.
It's not like you were in Christ before the foundation of the world! A person is in Christ through faith and by the Holy Spirit upon faith. Once a person is in Christ, they are then adopted, holy, and without blame.
1) John 3:16 shows the means of salvation is Jesus who was sent because God loves the world. There is no limit given to God's love in this verse.
Let the sea roar, and all its fullness, The world and those who dwell in it; For He is coming to judge the earth. With righteousness He shall judge the world, And the peoples with equity. Psalms 98:7â,âŹ9
That was hundreds of years after both men died! God was talking about Edom. Even if He was talking about Esua, Esua had died and gone to hell by that time. I don't know if God has any love for those people anymore.
1) I gave you a few already!
2) Do you love anyone who is not saved? Do you think God's love for them is any less?! Get for real! When God says to love your enemies, do you think He does any less?
3) That is their fault, not His.
God draws believers and Jesus will raise them up on the Last Day. For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known. I Corinthians 13:12
I may not know Greek, but I know God. He loves the world! What, you think there are people out there that you love and God doesn't?! That your love is somehow greater than God's? How arrogant of you! Is God's love somehow lacking? Lol. Think again!
Yes, God loved the people of Sodom and Gomorrah and kept them around along time before finally putting a stop to their lifestyle. He allowed Abraham to talk Him down from 50 to 10.
Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?â says the Lord God , â and not that he should turn from his ways and live? Ezekiel 18:23
Say to them: â As I live,â says the Lord God , âI have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn, turn from your evil ways! For why should you die, O house of Israel?â Ezekiel 33:11
Why would He care if He only hated them?
When I pointed out that God first loved us, it was while we were still sinners who you suggest God only hates. If John 3:16 was the only verse that mentions God love for the world, that would be enough!
And what does all that have to do with the topic of this thread? Are you saying God hates gays? Are you going to join Westboro Baptist Church and protest at gay people's funerals? Or do you believe sinners have certain rights under the law not to be attacked or killed? Again, I don't believe Christians are doing those things anyways and those laws can and will be used against believers. However, we need to try to protect the safety of all people.
Kev wrote: 1) John 1:29 29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
2) 1 Thessalonians 5:9 9 For God hath not APPOINTED us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, apÂˇpointÂˇed ÉËpoin(t)Éd/ adjective 1. (of a time or place) decided on beforehand; designated.
3) 1 John 4:19 19 We love him, because he first loved us. God's love is for believers:
Other then John 3:16 (which you don't understand)can you show from scripture that God loves sodomites?
1) You can't pick and choose which verses you are going to believe. If it says Jesus takes away the sins of the world, believe it!
2) Christians are appointed to receive salvation and and unbelievers are appointed to wrath. It hasn't happened yet.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
We learn from Scripture that God loves the world. As you point out, homosexuality is a sin, but so is a list of other things. I see nothing wrong with protecting people. Not to say there is a lot of violence and killings against homosexuals. The little bit there is is done by other homosexuals.
The State of Georgia settled the case. It doesn't mean they admitted to any wrong doing. The man was still fired and never got his job back. Also, the money he settled for might be far less than he would have made if he had kept the job.
"It is not free to choose a Godly life and has no desire to please God (Rom 8:8). The desire to serve God can only come from a reborn and Godly heart. So I ask you, what part of a natural manâs flesh that is devoid of anything that is good (Rom 7:18) would freely choose good? And if this âgoodâ part of the flesh is nessesary in order to choose God, then wouldnât our salvation hinge in part on our own goodness?" ---
Rmns 8:8 says those in the flesh cannot please God. Those who believe don't please God until they are filled with the Holy Spirit. After one believes is when they are baptized with the Holy Spirit. They are then changed and become a new creation.
Even Paul struggled with sin in his flesh. That is why believers will receive a new sinless body. So sin will be done away with. Yet Paul, who still had a sinful body of flesh, was able to became a believer. That didn't prevent him from doing so.
"Yes like you said context is key. Let's look at more verses in John 3 and see what God thinks about unbelievers:
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
So all that aren't 'accepted in the beloved' are condemned and present tense the 'wrath of God abideth on him'!
Yes context is key and in John 3 I see a JUST God and a Savior you neglect His other atributes." -----
Where are the verses that show what God thinks of sinners?! These verses show sinners are condemned and will face the wrath of God. However, John 3:16 says that He loves the world. That is how God feels about sinners! "and such were some of you"! Christian's were all condemned sinners at some point.
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8
We aren't at liberty to say what Pharaoh may or may not have been able to do. We just know what he did. God hardened his heart and Pharaoh hardened his own heart. It's possible God gave him no choice or it's possible God still gave him opportunity to obey but God knew he would not. At any rate, you seem to assume that means God never gave Pharaoh the opportunity to believe, but God wants all men to believe in Him. The whole reason He raised up Pharaoh was so that all people would hear of God and may believe.
We don't have ultimate free will. Are choices are constrained to what choices God allows us to make. Do you think God, who wants all people to believe would guide the king to believe or not believe? To believe! So why don't all kings believe? They reject God's purpose for them to.
I believe people are able chose between believing in God or not, so I think your whole view that they can't is faulty.