John UK wrote: But this circumcision does not involve anything physical. Neither a physical priest nor a physical circumcision. Therefore the "flesh" in this text, and others, is referring to the sinful nature, the old man, the principle of sin which we got from Adam. It is not physical at all. And you can't get at it physically. Your text in Romans 6:6 illustrates this perfectly. So now apply this to John's letter, and you can see why he says that a Christian no longer sins, because he cannot sin.
Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted. Galatians 6:1
Look how Christians can be overtaken in sin? The Bible says even the spiritual must consider themselves unless they be tempted.
Besides all of that, the Priest is Jesus who will physically circumcises believers on the last day.
Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:11
not so fast wrote: --those who love God are predestined to be confirmed into the resurrected image of God's Son. -- what about 1 John4:19- we love because He FIRST loved us? Kinda blows your theology out of the water.
Not at all. It confirms my theology!
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
God first loved sinners and if they love Him back they become predestined to be confirmed into the image of His Son.
"John 6:53King James Version (KJV) 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Good luck on that one J4!"
Unless you believe and are baptized, you have no life in you. That's because when someone believes, they are indwelt with the Holy Spirit.
Jesus answered and said to him, â€śIf anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. John 14:23
I can honestly say I don't recall the works of the law which included walking aisles and asking Jesus to save us. What part of the law is that in? Nobody can do anything to help God save them because God has already accomplished salvation for us in Christ. It is finished! What must we do to be saved? To wash away our sins?
Believers are without sin and cannot sin because they have the righteousness of Christ. It is a righteousness that is not their own. In our flesh, which is dead and will get replaced, we are sinful. Why would you need a resurrected body if you were already perfect?
Very few if any Christians believe or teach salvation by works.
knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified. Galatians 2:16
We would agree that we are not justified by works of the law. However, it says we are justified by faith in Jesus Christ.
John UK wrote: Hi John Some take your view on Rom 7, but I don't. Romans 7:5 KJV (5) For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. I take "when we were in the flesh" to show that he is speaking about when unregenerate. Romans 7:14 KJV (14) For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. Is the apostle saying that all Christians are carnal? That they are sold under sin? Or is he still referring to the unregenerate state? 1 John 3:7-10 KJV (7) Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. (8) He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. (9) Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
So you think you are without sin? Did you skip line and get a resurrected body first?!
For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? I thank Godâ€”through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin. Romans 7:19â€, â€¬21â€-â€¬21â€, â€¬23â€-â€¬25
Evil is still present in all of us.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. I John 1:8
Maybe I didn't word it right, but you have to know becoming a new creation has not rid you of having sinful desires or acting upon them. Believers are born again spiritually, but have the same sinful flesh until they are resurrected.
â€śFor many are called, but few are chosen.â€ť Matthew 22:14
There were many called who made excuses when called and wouldn't go. Like when God calls us to believe. Also, they had to have the proper wedding attire. When anyone believes, they put on the righteousness of Jesus. That is the proper attire for the wedding. If you aren't clothed properly, you will be cast out.
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Galatians 3:26â€-â€¬27
All people's hearts are wicked, including yours and mine. That doesn't keep people from believing the gospel otherwise you would still be an unbeliever, seeing that you still have a natural body of sin. One of the reasons for the Resurrection will be to get rid of our old natural bodies.
So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. I Corinthians 15:42â€-â€¬44â€, â€¬53
Do you understand that if many are called but not all are chosen that it means the called who were not chosen must not have believed the truth? Therefore, having heard the gospel they rejected it! It's not that they didn't understand, they understood and flat out rejected it.
You naĂŻvely think if sinners only understood, they would do the right thing! You still have a natural desire to sin and it didn't go away when you believed, yet you still believed.
Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever, because â€śAll flesh is as grass, And all the glory of man as the flower of the grass. The grass withers, And its flower falls away, But the word of the Lord endures forever.â€ť Now this is the word which by the gospel was preached to you. I Peter 1:22â€-â€¬25
Believers have purified their soul in obeying the truth of the gospel. They were born again through believing the word of God.
Let's pray that more people know the love of God and have faith in Jesus Christ!
ladybug wrote: 1) Now, IF God wanted the whole world to be saved, then why did Christ say 'many are called, few are chosen'. And this from Acts 13:48, 'And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.' Take note, 'as many as were ordained'; it doesn't say 'all', or 'the whole world'.
2) Now, answer this, IF man has 'free will' to choose Christ, then who would choose to suffer eternal wrath?
3) Ye MUST be born again by God the Spirit
1) Many are called and many reject Jesus. That doesn't mean most aren't called. Jesus wants all people to be saved.
2) They reject the truth for whatever reasons and then Satan comes and blinds them.
By death, Scripture means that a person doesn't have eternal life. Being on their way to eternal punishment, doesn't keep an unbeliever from ever knowing the gospel truth.
And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able; for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men? I Corinthians 3:1â€-â€¬3
These Christians were carnal and yet they were still believers.
Peter heard about and met Jesus before being called to be an Apostle! Again, the next day, John stood with two of his disciples. And looking at Jesus as He walked, he said, â€śBehold the Lamb of God!â€ť The two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus. Then Jesus turned, and seeing them following, said to them, â€śWhat do you seek?â€ť They said to Him, â€śRabbiâ€ť (which is to say, when translated, Teacher), â€śwhere are You staying?â€ť He said to them, â€śCome and see.â€ť They came and saw where He was staying, and remained with Him that day (now it was about the tenth hour). One of the two who heard John speak, and followed Him, was Andrew, Simon Peterâ€™s brother. He first found his own brother Simon, and said to him, â€śWe have found the Messiahâ€ť (which is translated, the Christ). And he brought him to Jesus. Now when Jesus looked at him, He said, â€śYou are Simon the son of Jonah. You shall be called Cephasâ€ť (which is translated, A Stone). John 1:35â€-â€¬42
For John had not yet been thrown into prison. John 3:24 NKJV
The account in Matthew is after John the Baptist is placed in prison.
Now when Jesus heard that John had been put in prison, He departed to Galilee. And Jesus, walking by the Sea of Galilee, saw two brothers, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, c
Before Jesus came, people believed in God. Only those who obeyed the Father understood that Jesus was the Messiah. The rest were blinded. Peter was a believer already and therefore understood who Jesus was.
1 John only says that those who believe that Jesus is the Christ is born of God. Not already reborn prior to faith unconsciously!
Come means to move or travel toward. When Jesus was saying nobody can come to Him, where was He going that they couldn't come?
What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? John 6:62
Jesus is the Bread of Life that came down from heaven, He was going to return there. So how were they going to get there? Unless they drank His blood and ate His flesh, they could not come. If you don't believe, you may not come. If you believed, the Holy Spirit then baptized you into Christ. You partook of His flesh and blood spiritually and on the Last Day Jesus will resurrect you so that where He is, you may be.
Jesus may have said those things in parables form, I don't know. I think He started that latter in His ministry. When He called Simon Peter, you are assuming he didn't know who Jesus was. I don't believe that was the case.
Your attitude is very telling. I think I proved my point. God didn't enforce faith on the believers during Pentecost. The Bible shows they were convicted by the preaching alone and 3000 were saved. No hocus pocus was involved.
Luke 13:34, to say "you would not" is the same thing as saying they were unwilling. Just different interpretations. All that human inability stuff is your Calvinistic mantra.
I attempt to answer all questions. If you feel like I forgot one, let me know.
Lurker attempted to say more than the preaching of the gospel took place for the people to be convicted. Wrong! They were amazed by the speaking in tongues, but then they were convicted by the preaching.
The ministry of the Holy Spirit has never been to make a sinner irrepressiblely faithful. On the contrary:
â€śO Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, but you were not willing! Luke 13:34
Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christâ€™s behalf, be reconciled to God. II Corinthians 5:20
But to Israel he says: â€śAll day long I have stretched out My hands To a disobedient and contrary people.â€ť Romans 10:21
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. I Timothy 2:3â€-â€¬4
God only appears to desire us to believe. Reach out for us, pleading and imploring for us to believe.