Has not the ethos of violence, sexual abuse, drug use, and on and on been perfected and manifested in our day in rock and rap music?

Did tavern music pervade the define the worldly culture like rock and rap do ours today?

A very helpful book is "All God's Children and Blue Suede Shoes" to understand where we are. It can be had as a audio book as well.

Mike wrote:
Does anyone find " reformed rap" to be a oxy moron? This guy is rapping about these word faith leaders, but at the same time, he is attending " new Calvinist churches" teaching charasmatic teachings... Such as. Tim Keller , cj mahanney , etc.. Your mixing wordiness, with holiness...
Anyone wanting to get information, listen to pastor Ralph Ovadal. Sermon. Their no puritans. Or charasmatic Calvinist, here on SermonAudio. Very good!

Ralph is good on this topic so is Peter Masters. Google "New Calvinism, The Merger of Calvinism with Worldliness" to read him on this topic.

For truth The Lord Jesus Christ does not rap or rock.

When we worship in a formal way we are brought low and God is honored. When we cut loose, we are lifted up and God is dishonored. Has this not been tried before? Has no one read the OT?

Where is the gut instinct on this? Why is this missing in our day?

For a fact there is no such thing as a "christian rapper".

How can these things be?

Michael Hranek wrote:
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I appreciate SermonAudio posting this "stuff" because like it or not these are the circumstances we are living in the midst of AND while we might not be fans of such "celebrities" others who like them and those who don't are in our lives, people the Lord would have us witness the Truth to.
Remember in His earthly ministry Jesus spoke somewhat often of the Pharisee making His disciples aware of their errors etc. AND even commenting on how they had seated themselves in the chair of Moses and how that affected them.

http://theresurgence.com/2009/12/07/r-c-sproul-and-alice-cooper

Is it not time to put these celebrities behind us?

Wow, I have been in Pensacola and have attended Mount Zion Bible, and it was wonderful. You can listen to Jeff Polard on this site, and also visit chapel library dot org. I hope you get a change to visit! There are some families with children in the military there. The place is alive. If it were closer I would be there.

I hope the best for you friend!

Phoebe wrote:
It was Satan who removed CHOICE from the scene in the first place.

How does one find his way in such a day? It seems to me the best way is to separate from those who will not. This is the simple way.

On the other hand I have no desire to assert that the likes of Piper, Moler, J-Mac, and RC are lost. I do fear for them greatly, but for me the best path is to no longer listen to them or to recommend them.

Sir, You play fast and loose with ideas.

Luke 9:55b ...Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

Rufus wrote:
The church does not need to yoke up with the state to become tax exempt as the church is non taxable to begin with. Incorporating and becoming 501c3 places churches under the authority of the state.

A Church does not need to become a 501c3 to be tax exempt.

By becoming a 501c3 one becomes a creature of the state, and should therefore obey the regulations it agreed to per Romans 13.

Wake up to this! Getting a 501c3 is largely a human tradition being passed on in ignorance of the law.

Bible Meditator wrote:
I am glad that God brought me to the King James Version...

Praise the Lord for our English Bible!

Frank wrote:
I will say this; for some alchohol (sic) is bad and for some it isn't.

The use of alcohol is unwieldy.

The consequences enormous if one falls into the easy trap of misuse. This substance undoes self-control!

How are the principals of Romans 12 and 14 to be followed if those in leadership, and those in gospel witness are involved in the public use of alcohol?

This notion of yours is a dream and a shake that will bite many unto eternal ruin.

Why do celebrity preachers get away with this kind of thing? One moment they say one thing, and the next they undermine it.

Have a look at John McAuthor's rap video, all in fun I am sure...

Is this how to listen like a man? Look like a hood and talk like a fool who cannot speak English?

(ya his name is Johnny-Mac and he knows he is fresh)

This is fresh all right...

Frank wrote:
Rick Warren is clearly a false apostle, therefore any who give credence to his doctrine, testimony or his ministry are guilty by association of the same offenses. Piper has distorted the blessed gospel of our Lord and Savior by his public ministerial comments and he should be separated from by the body of Christ.
His church should fire him and no one should read or listen to him until he repents of what he has done. Unless the subject of what he writes or speaks involves his repentence for leading so many astray, I will ignore them altogether.

Here are a few (from their website)