Jim Lincoln wrote: I have no problem with you meeting First Day
Jim. Yours is a very pessimistic religion where God cannot prevent man from taking over. Your theory that God has had to compromise with sinners and reduce the commanments to nine - is of course the kind of theory we get from the Arminians. It is Reduction of God's sovereignty and an attack upon Scripture. Which may be why you use the heretic influenced NASB. GOD maintains HIS Sabbath through out history. And as HE promised from every monday Quote; "6 days thou shalt labour" - Which is precisely what happens every monday thru saturday. The next day being seventh in sequence is Sabbath (sunday). On which western society stops "labour" rests from "labour" and the children of God use that Sabbath day to worship in church. That is what God promised in His law and commandments, AND that is what God provides today in His providence and mercy. Praise God.
Jim, Remember what God recorded in His Scriptures, "Ex 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:" ~ That is what happens today. Next, "v10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work,!" AGAIN that in order of days is what happens.
Jim Lincoln wrote: But you mean Margie didn't recognize that the Shabbat, is only on Saturday and can't be moved to First Day?
Jim Tomorrow is Monday the first day of the working week for everybody the world over. Thats the first day of the six days thou shalt labour.
At the end of those six days is the seventh called Sunday today. This is the Sabbath order which God established. The SEVENTH day is blessed and sanctified by God.
"Exod 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:"
"Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."
men wrote: She did not hide behind your dodgy doctrine to justify her evil attempt to destroy the Christian Sabbath
God does not need politicians to keep and maintain HIS Sabbath. The Sabbath is for HIS children. God maintains the Sabbath and maintains it in UK/US today. We live in a fallen world surrounded by the children of wrath. They CANNOT obey God.
Without a shadow of a doubt Margaret Thatcher proved herself to be one of Britains greatest Prime Ministers. Her leadership brought Britain out of the political, social and economic doldrums of the Callaghan/Labour disaster of the 70's. It was a painful process to rescue the UK from that mess and took strength and leadership from the front to achieve it, but she did it. Today the Conservative Party is nothing like Thatcher's party under her leadership. This is related to the corruption of Liberalism and Political Correctness which has poisoned and polluted the worlds western governments. Maggie's power and authority has been lost to Britain's politics and that is a sad loss because this nation is going down the tubes. Authority itself is lost to British society, eg church, justice, and the institutions. Perhaps this is the way God has decided to allow the western nations to go which can be observed in Christian and moral decline. The next government in UK will be Labour/socialist which again will pollute and weaken the government and leadership of this nation. Such political/economic decline runs alongside Christian and moral decline since socialism is anti-Christian (eg: socialist countries) and Liberalism and socialism have united in ideology, (eg: Obama).
Men wrote: 1. You have had ample opportunity to make a relevant response but you simply do not know what you are talking about. 2. btw - Still waiting for the Christian view on the "Christian" destruction of the Sabbath from you ... silence is golden.
1. Does insult help your cause? This discussion was about Margaret Thatcher not economic policy. As I posted, her leadership was the best over the last three decades. That was my point. Are you a Christian or just passing through? 2. Sabbath. Do you want the answer from Sabbath as a Jewish institution, or A Christian one as to its relevance today?
"When Margaret Thatcher, leader of the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom, won the 1979 general election defeating the incumbent Labour Party led by James Callaghan, Britain had endured several years of severe inflation, which was rarely below 10% and by the time of the election in May 1979 stood at 10.3%. Thatcher implemented monetarism as the weapon in her battle against inflation, and succeeded at reducing it to 4.6% by 1983 â€” although this was achieved largely by the mass closure of inefficient factories, which resulted in a recession and in unemployment doubling from around 1,500,000 people to more than 3,000,000. This policy was controversial with the public and even some of her own Members of Parliament (MPs) (as well as former Conservative prime ministers Harold Macmillan and Edward Heath), but her success in the Falklands war led to a recovery in her popularity which contributed to the Conservative victory in the 1983 general election. This came at a time of a global recession, and Thatcher's monetarist policies earned her the respect of political leaders worldwide as Britain was a world leader in the fight against the recession and one of the first nations to re-establish economic growth." (wiki)
Men wrote: Do some real research for once, and find something relevant.
You really must practice what you preach. BTW As a socialist you will not see the dangers of big government (overarching bureaucracy) which Labour seeks to establish, thus destroying good house keeping in UK. Union power disabled by Mrs T. tried to extend this Big Brother mentality, but just because she did this favour for Britain you shouldn't be so blinkered in your perception of her political/economic leadership which proved more effective than any have during these last three decades.
As for Mrs. Thatcher she brought leadership to government and helped to bring Britain back into the world as a competitor economically, which is the point about the so called Big Bang.
View from another country; "When Thatcher arrived at 10 Downing Street in May 1979, Britainâ€™s first female prime minister set about smashing the existing economic order. Along with her conservative soulmate, U.S. President Ronald Reagan, she rejected the way economic policy had been conducted since the end of World War II in favor of a focus on free-market ideology that is accepted by most of the world today." (Japan Times)
Men wrote: abandoned by ALL Conservative movements worldwide today
"Lady Thatcher understood that commitment to low inflation had to come from the political process â€” government had to be fiscally and monetarily disciplined because this was what the people would vote for."
"The Thatcher record of reform stands up well. For todayâ€™s policymakers faced with the never-ending need to attend to the supply-side, the lessons are that good economic ideas are hard to translate into reality without good politics â€” know your enemy and only trust your friends; be cautious and prepare with endless thoroughness; donâ€™t change anything that is working. The Cityâ€™s Big Bang was an important component of the UK economyâ€™s resurgence and she got it right." (Telegraph)
Maggie's deregulation of the city in London called the "Big Bang" demonstrates that her policies were right on the mark.
Of course the Socialists would want to bring back Big Government - more bureaucracy.
In all ways politic and economic she has proved to be Britains best PM in decades and whats more the best leader the UK has had for many generations.
Some of the reported observations of Margaret Thatchers parliamentary career are: * In 1988 she spent the year reading the Old Testament. She was noted for quoting the OT to staff. * Those who worked with her speak of her faith being used to bring her through her turbulent career. * Her strong Methodist upbringing is said to have supported her in life. * She attended church throughout her life. * She was a Lay Preacher at University.
If prayer, Bible study, faith and church are the mark of a Christian, then Thatcher demonstrated this mark.
Her life made manifest to those around her a witness of Christian church background contributing to her life and career with power and authority.
Like Deborah the Judge, she was a woman chosen to lead her nation at a crucial time in the country's history. She may not have pleased everybody - But she lead well.
Clearly she didn't buy into the anti-christian socialist ideology or its partner Liberalism.
"Thatcherism always owed more to Methodism than it ever did to monetarism. This was the real source of Mrs Thatcherâ€™s â€śconviction politicsâ€ť. Thatcherism centred on a charismatic leader who cultivated a religious aura, was promoted like a religion, had notable converts like a religion, was rejected like a religion, and would cause a sharp divide within the nation like that of a religious war from centuries past. Christianity was not only fundamental to the political leader, but also the person."
"No British prime minister since William Gladstone was more deeply marked, nor their personality so defined, by their religious heritage and faith. Lady Thatcherâ€™s religious doctrine was not confined to the heart nor to the head, nor was it mere political spin. It is only by understanding Lady Thatcherâ€™s faith that we can understand the philosophy that bore her name, her leadership style and that steely resolve that enabled her to sustain power for 11 years." (Dr. Eliza Filby)
John UK. wrote: the pilgrim's battle song. I wonder if she knew what it was all about.
Margaret Thatcher was a Lay Preacher at Oxford University.
Men wrote: First, Thatcher was not an environmentalist.
majority of Maggie's extra 2 million unemployed were not coal miners...
Fortunately Trade Unions are still with us
Nobody was an environmentalist back then. The daft ideas of global warming was still in the land of the ludicrous.
Unemployment wasn't the fault of any one person whether politician or peasant. Unions and their greed and mad cap strikes did more to increase unemployment than any single person.
Unions were worn out decades ago they are no use today and have been getting in the way of industry and production for decades. Their biggest contribution in recent times has been to destroy firms and industries.
Socialism is a disease which has helped destroy many western countries including the UK. The true effects of socialism can be observed in Russia, China and North Korea et al. And that is precisely where Stalin Milliband would take us today. Big Brother government for gullible people who want the bureaucrats to tell the people what to say think and do.
Less government is whats necessary in UK and zero unions.