Great Sermon! Great discussion guys. Sadly Steven furticks problems are much deeper. He has an uncanny ability to read himself into every biblical passage. He has no idea how to rightly divide the word of God. If you want to know more about him check out Chris Roseborough 's website. Www.fightingforthefaith.com Chris is a Lutheran so we as Baptists would disagree with his stance on baptism, but he is a great theologian and he had documented elevation church for years. What pastor furtick says and does on a regular basis will blow your minds
Great Sermon! I am a fundamental Baptist now, but I came out of the Nazarene holiness movement. I still believe very much in holiness, but I believe Steve is absolutely right on this one. We have to teach law in relation to the gospel. As you mentioned, law is a heart problem and no matter how hard we try, we remain sinful and never move away from our need for the gospel. It's not a matter of teaching touch Feely. .. It's a matter of truth. You can teach the youth about do's and don'ts and tell them to do it because God said so, and what you end up with apart from the gospel is a bunch of "moral" kids who grow up, live what we call a moral life, and die in their sins and go to hell. Apart from the Gospel we are all lost. Every part of the law should drive us back to the gospel as Paul says, grace is not a license to sin and I believe scripture is clear that those that have a new relationship with Christ have a new relationship to sin. I believe in holiness but we better be careful with it lest we get puffed up with pride each of us, no matter how sanctified, never move away from the gospel. It should be the main focus of every aspect of our lives. It should be what drives us
Great Sermon! Fantastic NIF program. Great opening statements, great lyrics,great discussion. There are not many people out there that are bigger rap fans than I am, I love it. Yet I also agree with Brother Baucham. ... As much as I love it, I don't want it as part of the worship experience. As Voddie says, we need to make corporate worship inclusive to all. I loved this NIF..... I'm tired of some of the stiff necked legalistic IFB'S out there speaking out of racism, hatred, and ignorance. This was a well balanced discussion. Thank you
agreed Your assessment is spot on in my opinion. On a positive note... I have heard rumors that Mr. Walker had been attending Grace Community Fellowship under the leadership of Johnny Mac. I can't confirm that, nor does it necessarily mean anything, but its a small.glimmer of hope that Paul might have heard the true Gospek and possibly repented. But who knows .... Only time will tell
Great Sermon! I think the increased technology that allows us to witness everything in our world in an instant has somewhat desensitized us. We hear it every day now, nothing happens in this works without all knowing it.
Great Sermon! I liked the video overall. I got a little uneasy when lacey started talking about the suicidal spirit and the guy that had a word to God for her.... I must admit that it made me uneasy. But I have a hard time calling her a liar....don't know what to think
Great Sermon! I'm the youth leader at my church for 13-18 year olds, sadly what you are saying here is 100% correct. In fact, its pretty much the ONLY reason I stay at my church. I feel I have to rescue them from the shallow teachings. It's unfortunate, but my teens are better off being segregated from the adults because the adult Sunday school class is more of a joke than my class. The adults "learn" from the STUPID Wesleyan devotional book. If I had my way I'd burn every Wesleyan Sunday school devotional book in existence. I'm doing my best to educate myself Si that I can educate them. Thanks for this NIF program, it was on point and very helpful.
Great Sermon! Good overall message. Driscoll however, is another story. He was caught flat out lying about the strangefire conference. He claimed his books were confiscated by security, but you can go on youtube and see a video of him clearly telling security that the books were his gift to them and that he wished for them to take them and do whatever they'd like to with them. Driscoll flat out lied and was caught. Doesn't sound like a man seeking unity. He is a pastor in the public spotlight so he needs to publicly confess and repent. His strangefire appearance seemed like nothing more than a PR stunt to promote himself and his book. Love the program guys.....keep up the good work
Great Sermon! This was a pretty good lesson, I am glad that your church is willing to look at tough issues such as election when the vast majority of churches gloss over it. I am confused about your view of limited atonement. Could we not argue that all true branches of Christianity whether Arminian or Calvinist truly believe in limited atonement because they teach that only those that are born again receive salvation? If we were to hold the position that atonement was not limited wouldn't that view lead us to universalism? Also I'm not sure I'm grasping the idea that election doesn't automatically seal the lost soul to hell. If I'm forced into a food line and the server has the option to give me steak or chicken, and he doesn't give me steak, then by default, logic tells me I'm getting chicken whether I want it or not. I see the tension throughout scripture between election and whosoever.... Its a struggle but I believe that there has to be a logical systematic way of looking at it. God is not the author of confusion. Keep up the good work and continue to stand on the Word of God.
Great Sermon! I for one did follow the conference and that's exactly what I got out of it. MacArthur needs to be held to the same standards as everyone else. He can't make broad sweeping statements one minute and then say something else the next. As Christians we can't talk out of both sides of our mouth. I don't like charismatics either, and I like the spirit of the conference,b ut MacArthur wad flat out wrong in the way he handled this conference. You can't say that piper is a brother one minute and then say that the charismatic movement has done nothing for the body of Christ the next. It's just wrong and people need to call MacArthur out on it
Great Sermon! I followed the Strange Fire Conference pretty close and I agree with what MacArthur was trying to accomplish. However, I tend to agree with you guys, he did paint with too broad a brush. I do not agree with charismania at all, but I'm willing to admit that there are two distinct camps in the movement and MacArthur failed to recognise the difference. There is a big difference between the theologically sound Pentecostal or even reformed pastor such as Piper, and a Benny Hinn or Todd Bentley and I don't believe it was fair to lump them together. It is also important to note that "Pastor" Driscoll was caught flat out lying. His appearance was nothing more than a pr stunt. He is caught on camera telling the security to take his books as a gift. Driscoll needs to repent
AHHHHH!!!! I try real hard to be ye angry and sin not.....but this guy makes me so mad I want to hit things..... I firmly believe that Paul Washer was correct when he said that "pastors" like Joel Osteen are put in place to be a judgment upon America....Like OT Israel...He is giving us exactly what we asked for.
more seeker sensitive, purpose driven garbage Chris Rosebrough spoke of this early last week. He used sermon one of the series as his sermon to review and critique. Rosebrough basically said that Crank identified a real problem within the church....he just failed miserably when he gave his solution to the problem. He danced around the gospel several times, but never actually delivered it.
Amen, couldnt agree more! What you've said reminds me of what Paul Washer said: "Sunday morning in America is the greatest hour of idolatry in the whole week. Why? Because most people who are even worshiping God, are worshiping a God they don't know. They're worshiping a god that looks more like Santa Claus than the God of Scripture. They're worshiping a god that is a figment of their own imagination. They created a god in their own likeness and they worship the god they've made."
Sadly this is true in my own church to a certain extent. My pastor has a masters degree in divinity, and has never herd the term Hypostatic union. He told me he didn't like systematic theology in college..he likes practical theology. Meanwhile the congregation is starving to death. They need fed the word, church history, and doctrine and don't even know it. I've searched around and I can't find a single reformed church within 50 miles...... It's sad