agreed Your assessment is spot on in my opinion. On a positive note... I have heard rumors that Mr. Walker had been attending Grace Community Fellowship under the leadership of Johnny Mac. I can't confirm that, nor does it necessarily mean anything, but its a small.glimmer of hope that Paul might have heard the true Gospek and possibly repented. But who knows .... Only time will tell
Great Sermon! I think the increased technology that allows us to witness everything in our world in an instant has somewhat desensitized us. We hear it every day now, nothing happens in this works without all knowing it.
Great Sermon! I liked the video overall. I got a little uneasy when lacey started talking about the suicidal spirit and the guy that had a word to God for her.... I must admit that it made me uneasy. But I have a hard time calling her a liar....don't know what to think
Great Sermon! I'm the youth leader at my church for 13-18 year olds, sadly what you are saying here is 100% correct. In fact, its pretty much the ONLY reason I stay at my church. I feel I have to rescue them from the shallow teachings. It's unfortunate, but my teens are better off being segregated from the adults because the adult Sunday school class is more of a joke than my class. The adults "learn" from the STUPID Wesleyan devotional book. If I had my way I'd burn every Wesleyan Sunday school devotional book in existence. I'm doing my best to educate myself Si that I can educate them. Thanks for this NIF program, it was on point and very helpful.
Great Sermon! Good overall message. Driscoll however, is another story. He was caught flat out lying about the strangefire conference. He claimed his books were confiscated by security, but you can go on youtube and see a video of him clearly telling security that the books were his gift to them and that he wished for them to take them and do whatever they'd like to with them. Driscoll flat out lied and was caught. Doesn't sound like a man seeking unity. He is a pastor in the public spotlight so he needs to publicly confess and repent. His strangefire appearance seemed like nothing more than a PR stunt to promote himself and his book. Love the program guys.....keep up the good work
Great Sermon! This was a pretty good lesson, I am glad that your church is willing to look at tough issues such as election when the vast majority of churches gloss over it. I am confused about your view of limited atonement. Could we not argue that all true branches of Christianity whether Arminian or Calvinist truly believe in limited atonement because they teach that only those that are born again receive salvation? If we were to hold the position that atonement was not limited wouldn't that view lead us to universalism? Also I'm not sure I'm grasping the idea that election doesn't automatically seal the lost soul to hell. If I'm forced into a food line and the server has the option to give me steak or chicken, and he doesn't give me steak, then by default, logic tells me I'm getting chicken whether I want it or not. I see the tension throughout scripture between election and whosoever.... Its a struggle but I believe that there has to be a logical systematic way of looking at it. God is not the author of confusion. Keep up the good work and continue to stand on the Word of God.
Great Sermon! I for one did follow the conference and that's exactly what I got out of it. MacArthur needs to be held to the same standards as everyone else. He can't make broad sweeping statements one minute and then say something else the next. As Christians we can't talk out of both sides of our mouth. I don't like charismatics either, and I like the spirit of the conference,b ut MacArthur wad flat out wrong in the way he handled this conference. You can't say that piper is a brother one minute and then say that the charismatic movement has done nothing for the body of Christ the next. It's just wrong and people need to call MacArthur out on it
Great Sermon! I followed the Strange Fire Conference pretty close and I agree with what MacArthur was trying to accomplish. However, I tend to agree with you guys, he did paint with too broad a brush. I do not agree with charismania at all, but I'm willing to admit that there are two distinct camps in the movement and MacArthur failed to recognise the difference. There is a big difference between the theologically sound Pentecostal or even reformed pastor such as Piper, and a Benny Hinn or Todd Bentley and I don't believe it was fair to lump them together. It is also important to note that "Pastor" Driscoll was caught flat out lying. His appearance was nothing more than a pr stunt. He is caught on camera telling the security to take his books as a gift. Driscoll needs to repent
AHHHHH!!!! I try real hard to be ye angry and sin not.....but this guy makes me so mad I want to hit things..... I firmly believe that Paul Washer was correct when he said that "pastors" like Joel Osteen are put in place to be a judgment upon America....Like OT Israel...He is giving us exactly what we asked for.
more seeker sensitive, purpose driven garbage Chris Rosebrough spoke of this early last week. He used sermon one of the series as his sermon to review and critique. Rosebrough basically said that Crank identified a real problem within the church....he just failed miserably when he gave his solution to the problem. He danced around the gospel several times, but never actually delivered it.
Amen, couldnt agree more! What you've said reminds me of what Paul Washer said: "Sunday morning in America is the greatest hour of idolatry in the whole week. Why? Because most people who are even worshiping God, are worshiping a God they don't know. They're worshiping a god that looks more like Santa Claus than the God of Scripture. They're worshiping a god that is a figment of their own imagination. They created a god in their own likeness and they worship the god they've made."
Sadly this is true in my own church to a certain extent. My pastor has a masters degree in divinity, and has never herd the term Hypostatic union. He told me he didn't like systematic theology in college..he likes practical theology. Meanwhile the congregation is starving to death. They need fed the word, church history, and doctrine and don't even know it. I've searched around and I can't find a single reformed church within 50 miles...... It's sad
comment to theresa Theresa, I used to firmly hold to a pre trib position myself, but I no longer do. If we are to be honest with the text, all of the verses that you quoted can easily, be applied to the wrath of God in final judgement. Jesus did save us from wrath, he saved us from hell. The only way to read these verses and see any different would be to read into the text a preconceived idea such as the rapture. If you were to read these passages without ever knowing of a pre trib rapture, you would automatically come to the understanding that the Word is speaking of the final judgement... Of a christless eternity in hell. Not trying to debate you or anything like that...just asking you to put down your pre trib glasses, as I had to do, and look at those texts again. I was a HUGE left behind series fan, and still am.... But we have to go where scripture takes us. God Bless you sister
fantastic discussion Fantastic discussion guys. Thank you for doing your best to remove presuppositions, and search for truth. Too many well meaning people can't see past their denomination or theology in order to discover these types of truths.
Great Sermon! I agree with you on this one thousand percent, and for the same reasons that you have stated, mainly that regenerating baptism isn't observable (your example: pagan Lutheran teens).
What confuses me is this: Rosebrough (as an example) has forgotten more about the bible than I know and he whole heartedly believes in infant baptism. In his own words "I (rosebrough) came to believe this doctrine kicking and screaming, but its where scripture lead me". He seems to have taken the opposite road as you.... You left Lutheranism, he embraced it. When I listened to his program on this subject he really seemed to lay out a concrete case for his position. This causes me concern. I'm not that smart, but I'm not stupid either, and I couldn't argue his exegesis. Where does that leave me? What Lutherans believe CAN'T be right, because I can observe that it is coo coo. But what do I do with the scripture he used? Is there another way to understand these passages that rosebrough is missing and that I'm not seeing???