Mike wrote: Now did you say that out of your free will, or did God sovereignly decree it?
God's sovereignty doesn't begin at man's decisions and choices.
God's sovereignty began at the foundation of the world. Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will"
God doesn't change His perfect mind just because sinners cannot agree with Him.
"WCF/3/1. God from all eternity did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass;a yet so as thereby neither is God the author of sin,b nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures, nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established.c
a. Rom 9:15, 18; 11:33; Eph 1:11; Heb 6:17. â€˘ b. James 1:13, 17; 1 John 1:5. â€˘ c. Prov 16:33; Mat 17:12; John 19:11; Acts 2:23; 4:27-28."
Lurker wrote: a. why do you suppose Kastens just didn't say that? b. infant baptism assures absolutely nothing? c. Not sure what the Jews who were broken off the olive tree ... have to do with Gentile election
Freddie; a. He did! This conversation is about your lack of english grammar comprehension, which apparently runs through the Baptist denomination. b. Considering all the unsaved reprobates which the Baptist church dunks, thats a pretty strange question coming from you. As I have pointed out you Baptists really need to study election and Covenant. c. Election is about those who were quote; Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will" Now try and grasp this Freddie, election relates to a time "foundation of the world" BEFORE The Israel nation existed. And as Paul teaches election includes the Jews too in fact geography plays no part in election; - "that the purpose of God according to election might stand" Read Rom 9. PS; God is in charge and always has been sovereign - NOT baptism.