JesusNeverDrankStrongDrinkEver wrote: The Historic
You're making it up as you go along Tony.
"The church father, Jerome, one of the great early translators of the Bible, defined one of the general Hebrew terms for wine or strong drink as omne quod inebriare potest, anything that is able to inebriate. Indeed, that particular noun is related to a verb that means "to be or to become drunk." Even "new wine," wine that had not fermented for more than a few days, had the power to inebriate. Fermentation takes place quickly, all the more in the Near East. As we read in Hos. 4:11, both old wine and new can "take away the understanding of the people." Or, contrarily, as some authorities suggest, the term "new wine" refers rather to wine made from the first drippings of the juice, before the winepress was trodden. This would then be a particularly potent wine and would explain why, for example in Acts 2:13, "new wine" or "sweet wine" may be especially connected in the mind of people with drunkenness." Dr R.S.Rayburn
JesusNeverDrankStrongDrinkEver wrote: You, Are A LIAR
"The same words used in the Hebrew OT and the Greek NT for wine or other strong drinks (beer especially) are used both when the biblical author is celebrating wine and commending its use and when he is warning against its dangers. The making of wine from grapes goes way back in human history. Viticulture is one of the oldest forms of agriculture. Already in Gen. 9:20 we read, "Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded to plant a vineyard. When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk..." The climate and soil of Palestine was excellently adapted to producing grapes and from the earliest times wine was a common beverage in the country. In a document dated c. 1780 B.C., so between the time of Abraham and Moses, an Egyptian man, Sinuhe, relates his adventures in Palestine. He writes, "There were figs there and wine grapes and more wine than water.... I had bread to eat every day and wine as an everyday drink." Every term used for wine in the Bible, both in the OT and the NT, is used many times in contexts that indicate wine's capacity to inebriate" Dr R.S.Rayburn
JesusNeverDrankStrongDrinkEver wrote: YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE HOLY TRUTH
Here is some REAL truth for you. Jesus DID drink fermented wine. Fact!
Now stop judging Jesus as you would a mortal sinner. There is a difference you know?
Wine in the Bible is not "Temperance Tony's patent Froot Jooce" It is wine fermented in the normal way.
God said Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts. Proverbs 31:6
"all the wine mentioned in the Bible is fermented grape juice with an alcohol content and the power to make a person inebriated. No non-fermented drink was called wine. There is a way of speaking of unfermented grape juice; it is found in Numbers 6:3 [lit. "to drink grapes"]. It is not a word ever used for wine. Indeed, in that place it is contrasted with wine. The person making a Nazirite vow could not drink wine for the duration of the vow or even grape juice or even eat a grape. In Gen. 40:11 we read of drinking the juice that had just been pressed from the grapes, but that juice is never called "wine" in the Bible. The same words used in the Hebrew OT and the Greek NT for wine or other strong drinks (beer especially) are used both when the biblical author..." Dr R.S.Rayburn
"When Christians sit down with Muslims to have an interfaith dialogue, typically what happens is that Christians stand up and say wonderful things about Islam."
As soon as you use that term "interfaith" you have shortcircuited the Gospel witness.
This is not a church reaching out to the unsaved - it is a pleasant conversation between two opposing religions without any real purpose, except to make Islam more acceptable in "Christian" communities.
"Interfaith" and "multifaith" are two lies, two deceiving terms which are oxymoron.
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. 28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.