Darren wrote: So are you telling me that we (christians) have free reign to preach the gospel anywhere in the world with no interference from the devil?
No! I didn't say that! You are having trouble with english? Read my posts below! I stated that Scripture teaches that Satan is only constricted by Rev 20 for a specific action ~ Namely deceiving the nations. This leaves him free to do other things as I have stated already ~ Blind the reprobate, (2Cor 4:4), ~ ie prevent the Word of God being received, appear as an angel of light (2Cor 11:14), And let us not forget everybody's favorite a roaring lion, (1 Peter 5:8) etc. I am sure he also has a finger in the pie of influence over false religion like Roman Catholicism (idolatry), Liberalism (rejection of the authority of Scripture), JW's et al.
As I pointed out below Satan is demonstrated in the Book of Job as a killer and destroyer. Obviously he is curtailed by the Lord in a specific way at present. In fact in Job he couldn't touch Job and family until the Lord allowed it to happen.
Satan exists in the spiritual realm therefore this worlds physical chains, wet or otherwise would have no effect.
Satan according to Rev 20 is bound quote, "that he should deceive the nations no more" This leaves the Church free to preach to the nations without this specific detrimental effect. Of course as you already know Mike "faith" is the gift of God and therefore only the "elect" of God will receive said teaching. This specific hindrance of Satan's work then will not prevail upon the elect to be deceived by him and detrimental to the Holy Spirit's work.
This however does not imply that Satan is restrained from all his activities as we can see from scripture, whereupon he is said to blind the reprobate and appears to deceive as an angel of light. In the book of Job we can see that if God releases him to full effect he can kill and destroy.
In recent times as you have remarked previously yourself, his kind of activities appear to be increasing. This being so the other part of the prophecy, "and after that he must be loosed a little season" ~ may be upon us?
Darren wrote: You still have not answered my question as to the devil being bound for a 1000 years, Rev. 20:8 says after the 1000 years the devil was loosed again to tempt the nations
Yes I did answer your question. Are you having problems with english? As I posted below the 1000 years is allegory for NOW, that is NOW as in this time frame between Jesus first coming to His second coming to judge the world. Satan is bound now! Get it?
Faks wrote: We're here being sifted and tried. Life is a test, not a lottery. Eternal life (in Heaven) is eternal, but its possession is conditional.
That Roman Catholic theory of works based religion is getting in the way of your comprehending the truth Faks.
As for your Arminian FreeWill DIY 'conditional' principle, apparently Christ dares to disagree with you... "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out" John 6:37.
Clearly HE doesn't preach - "Faks religious hypotheses!!!"
Darren wrote: By the Book tell me What does Revelation 20 verse 1-7 mean when satan is bound for a thousand years
As Jim alludes to the 1000 years is part of the allegory of Rev 20, for example Satan is not really a dragon. Yep absolutely true!
The periodicity of 1000 years used simply holds the meaning of a long period of time.
That period is NOW!
The Bible's promise to the elect is for ETERNAL LIFE - not just 1000 years. Chosen by God from the foundation of the world (Eph 1:4,5) - AND there is no second period (millennium) of GOD doing a "double check" - making sure what HE has elected NOW is the right choice.
ALL that is required for the salvation of the elect is being done NOW by an omniscient omnipotent sovereign GOD with the power of foreknowledge. - SO HE certainly does not need another run at it by this fictitious 1000 year period, put up by the PreMills.
The Reformers - Reformed Church taught and knew AMillennialism which is the true Biblical exposition. Rapture and this future extra time is fairy story stuff.
Jim Lincoln wrote: it's The Unscriptural Theologies Of Amillennialism And Postmillennialism. Oh, and about early premil thought. A Brief History of Early Premillennialism. As far as the Rapture is concerned, Why God's Purpose for the Tribulation excludes the Church--Thomas Ice and a couple of sermons, such as, Reasons for the Rapture and The Timing of the Rapture.
A raptureless, amillennial theology is purely Romish Catholic
Now come on Jim, stop with the fairy stories and stick to the Bible. KJV of course!
PreMill and Rapture = Fairy Story!
AMill = Bible fact!!
You know I can just imagine you PreMill/Rapturites on the day the Lord returns. - You will go up to Him and say, "Do we go flying today?" HE will just look at you wide eyed and wonder!!
Not you, pope wrote: Thankfully these Bible Christians are endorsing a Christian who believes in the Trinity, the real Jesus (via the Nicene Creed) and truly lives his faith
But nyp; What does it matter Romney, Santorum or Obama???
A heretic is a heretic is a heretic!!!
Romney may get his god from man. Obama as a Liberal gets his god from man. Santorum like any other Roman Catholic gets his religion and theology from - you got it - "man."
Worship of dead bodies?? Worship of the T.shirt of some infamous papist.?? worship of myriad of graven images?? Blasphemous mass?? UnBiblical Traditions held superior to God's Word??
Quote; "Third-Class Relics: Any object that is touched to a first- or second-class relic. Most third-class relics are small pieces of cloth, though in the first millenium oil was popular; the Monza ampullae contained oil collected from lamps burning before the major sites of Christ's life, and some reliquaries had holes for oil to be poured in and out again." (Wiki)
What Mr Santorum, nyp and other Roman Catholics worship... Sad isn't it??
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath..."
Almost Catholic wrote: The Genevan reformer John Calvin, writing his Institutes of the Christian Religion at the very time of the Reformation, wrote
Does this mean you believe in Calvin over the Bible verses I provided below? *Almost Calvinist*
As John UK provided below you must be careful how you define "church" since there are obviously many that consider themselves "church" - But are not! For example the Roman Catholic "church" of the Papal antichrist.
See also the "church" referred to by Jesus in Matt 7:21-23. Where in V23 Jesus declares that, 'He doesn't even know them.'
Don't forget the true Church is invisible.
Whereas the Roman Catholic organisation is anathema!!
BTW Salvation by Tradition and idolatry before graven images does not get you saved.
FLP wrote: Can you get to heaven and not be in communion with the church?
Are you one of these Roman Catholics who live by tradition instead of the Bible?
1Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are."
1Cor 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?"
Eph 3:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Thats the building you want to try and get into. The Elect belong to heaven.
"has decided to launch a new matchmaking website for homosexual singles instead of fighting a nearly four-year-old complaint in court."
I guess fighting the good fight is no longer worth the effort for some so called Christians. Satan has won this round.
Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
Proverbs 28:4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.
Proverbs 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination
Mike wrote: By your using the term "effectual," you obviously think there must be such a thing as "INeffectual" calling, that you may differentiate between them. Otherwise "effectual" is redundant. It's just calling.
Mike Don't you use the english language to communicate your theology?
Sola Scriptura wrote: The passage is talking about what happens at judgement day.
NO. The question that was asked and addressed by Jesus was about being saved. The advice He provides is in relation to this side of judgment day. The elect are those who can traverse the strait gate, that is those who are efficaciously called. Those not called cannot choose Christ.
"This effectual call is of God's free and special grace alone, not from anything at all foreseen in man;a who is altogether passive therein, until, being quickened and renewed by the Holy Spirit,b he is thereby enabled to answer this call, and to embrace the grace offered and conveyed in it.c
a. Rom 9:11; Eph 2:4-5, 8-9; 2 Tim 1:9; Titus 3:4-5. â€¢ b. Rom 8:7; 1 Cor 2:14; Eph 2:5. â€¢ c. Ezek 36:27; John 5:25; 6:37.(WCF) __________________
Mike Paul compares two wisdoms in this chapter, worldly and God's. But the point I was putting across is, who was called and not, as the case is described. Thus many are not efficaciously called. See above.
Discerning Believer wrote: Considering the following text,
Hey DB; If we are considering texts how about this one
20 ".....in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"
If we apply this verse more specifically to the text, then we build an ark and baptise people like that. Notice that this way you dont have to get all wet, just like Noah and family they stayed dry.
Now Stop excluding people from baptism (the bible doesn't) and Stop using human verbal response to authenticate baptism. The Bible does not command this either.
Immersion is never proved in Scripture. Because the quantity of water is never stipulated anywhere.