Question wrote: So my question is, if it is all a matter of faith, then why believe the TR to be any nearer the autographs than say the Majority Text or the Eclectic Text etc
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Heb 11:1.
Do you believe everybody who considers themselves to be a part of ecclesia is telling the truth?
EG: Matt 7:21-23.
The question is what is faith?
"It is impossible to say how far a non-saving faith may go, and how very closely it may resemble that faith which is saving. Saving faith has Christ for its object; so has a non-saving faith (John 2:23, 24). Saving faith is wrought by the Holy Spirit; so also is a non-saving faith (Heb. 6:4). Saving faith is produced by the Word of God; so also is a non-saving faith (Matt. 13:20, 21). Saving faith will make a man prepare for the coming of the Lord; so also will a non-saving faith: of both the foolish and wise virgins it is written, "Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps" (Matt. 25:7). Saving faith is accompanied with joy; so also is a non-saving faith (Matt. 13:20)." (A.W.Pink)
Almost Catholic wrote: What is the biblical purpose of wine?
Proverbs 31:6 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
Psalm 104:15 And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.
Anybody know how "Fruit Juice" makes the heart "glad."??
PS:: The verse in Psalm 104 states that it is GOD who produces wine that gladens the heart.
Psalm 104:14 He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth; 15 And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.
John UK wrote: A man in prison may not have much freedom, but he still makes decisions. Is this the same as a sinner in his chains?
If you really believe that man made bricks, mortar and iron bars have the same power and influence as sin that separates man from God, then I see why you are a devout Arminian.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Augustus Toplady: â€śA manâ€™s free will cannot cure him even of the toothache, or a sore finger; and yet he madly thinks it is in its power to cure his soul.â€ť
A. 2 u wrote: 1]Traducianism = The child's 'soul' comes from his mummy and daddy. 2]Creationism = (In this case) God creates a new soul for every mortal born. 3]Do you think that God's omniscience is constrained by time? 4] God would have 'infinite' knowledge of all people and their outcome.
3]No, omniscience means that God knows all. He has no constraints.
4]Absolutely. Again, that's what omniscience is by definition. Any other view of God, is heretical. In other words, He would not be the God revealed to us in Scripture, and in creation, if He were not all-knowing.
A. 2 u. The old heretic wrote: 1] Well being as you have all the 'answers' Answer you must be right. 2]How about traducianism instead? - Whats the answer, Answer??? On the other hand. Eph 1:4/5 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world,.... Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, Is God's omnipotence and His omniscience and His foreknowledge in His "predestinating" of the Elect? "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate" "Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father" 1Pet 1.2 3]Just what precisely did GOD Know?
1] I don't think any of us, or all of us together, have all the answers to all the questions. I'd much rather hear an "I don't know" than speculation with confident assertion. 2] Don't know the ideology behind the word - traducianism - will probably never use it again. I'm a creationist if the meaning you ascribe to it is that God created the world. The Scripture that you cite is that God had a plan, and it would be unfolded over time, with His intended results - the redemption of all those whom He would call. 3] He knew *whom* He would bring to faith/redemption/salvation.
A. 2 u wrote: Yup! You are beginning to understand the truth at last! Eternal life begins when God made the decision for the elect in heaven and the rest in hell! ps Time is a temporal element.
Hey, A.2u...R U still around? ..I've thought about your above assertion....I find it to be heretical, if you are saying that we have eternal life before we were born. If, on the other hand, you are saying that God predestined us to eternal life, that is Biblical. He planned our existence and our being brought into His family by the Spirit's work.
For the sake of clarity: we HAVE to be conceived in the womb BEFORE we exist. We did not exist before we were born; thus, we did not have eternal life before we were born. Furthermore, we have to born again of the Spirit in order to have eternal life. It is an event that takes place during our time on earth. The elect were not born with eternal life; otherwise, there would not be the call that one has to be "born again." If your thinking on this is otherwise, it is more in line with a false religion that believes people existed in spirit before they were born on earth. Not true.
A. 2 u wrote: 1. Ooohh You are mean. 2. Yup! You are beginning to understand the truth at last! Eternal life begins when God made the decision for the elect in heaven and the rest in hell! ps Time is a temporal element.
1] If you say so . . . 2] I'm mulling that over, but I'm interested in your take on WHY it was necessary to bring to physical life both elect and non-elect. Why not create just the elect? Why even have time as a factor?
A. 2 u wrote: Ah nice! As long as you remember you are perfect and not fooled by theology everything will be ok.
Grab a tissue. Your sarcasm is dripping down your chin. A.2u You are at the wrong end genius! Eternal life begins at....the point spoken of in Eph 1:4,5!!So, eternal life begins before one is born, Einstein?
A.2u Oh well! One out of three is not bad I suppose. Have a nice day. You are so gratuitous...that must come from a heart of humility. Tell me how I may become like you.
answer 2 u wrote: 1. Come now lets stick to common sense. ONE of them must be Biblical!
No, they are all flawed. They have been neatly tied into little packages so that people can take sides without having to measure verse by verse, and leave it at that. To label one's self as pre- post- amill- allows one to define themselves without having to give Scripture when a question is posed.
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2. The promise is for eternal life which actually is longer than 1000 years REST!When does eternal begin for the Redeemed?
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3. God did not create a world of sin. Gen 1:31 "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, IT WAS VERY GOOD."Ah, but He planned for Redemption from sin BEFORE the world began.
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4. "What the Bible says!" - There I've said it, just as You asked.
Amill wrote: I simply raise the question to get the PreMills to provide a 'credible reason' behind their conviction,...[1000 yrs on earth]
I'm not Pre-mil or Post-mil or A-mil...I refuse to be labelled. I'll be Biblical! The Sabbath was instituted at creation, commanded at Sinai, and, was to be a perpetual covenant. There was a Sabbath day, and a Sabbath year, or the Year of Jubliee, where the land rested, slaves were emancipated, and debts were remited. It was ilustrative of spiritual release. Given that recorded history is of the past 6,000 yrs., a thousand year reign of Christ on earth, would be consistent with the Sabbath rest mentioned in Hebrews 4:1-11. See vs. 9: There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. If one follows your line of reasoning, calling for common sense to reign, one could say that "since God is Sovereign, and the elect were chosen from the foundation of the world, there would be no reason to create a world of sin and suffering where evil people would live and die and go to hell, and the elect would have to experience it - all for the sake of what? experience?" Just say what the Bible says, and don't draw "common sense" conclusions.