John Yurich USA wrote: This really is insane. Why would that stupid hotel cave in to those stupid and insane atheists? If I was running that hotel I would have told those atheists to mind their own business and that I would continue to have Bibles in the guest rooms. Why would an atheist complain about the Bible being in the hotel room? The atheist is not compelled to read the Bible.
I can see a Hotel taking the Bibles out of the room while the atheists are there. But to get rid of the program altogether? That's nuts.I am a huge fan of the Gideons.
I would see Rom 5:12 to be about the whole world being affected by sin. You make a great point about Romans 8,which I believe speaks explicitly about what Paul implies in Rom 5:12. He says that through one man sin entered the world. It didn't just enter man. It entered the world. And through sin death came. I believe Paul's comment about death is for the whole world too. If you look back at Genesis 1:30 and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food"; and it was so. We can conclude that before the Fall there were no meat eaters. People and animals ate vegetation. I believe that before the Fall there was no death at all. Because sin entered the world through one man, then all of that got changed for both man and animals. I wonder what Pat Robertson thinks of the world before the Fall, or does he even contemplate what sin actually has done to the world? Obviously he would have to have a real Adam and Eve wouldn't he? I do admit some lack of knowledge of the Old Earth position on some of these things.
Wouldn't death be both physical and spiritual. Sure Adam didn't die physically on the day he ate the fruit. It was spiritual. But physical death is also a consequence of sinning against God. It's why I do funerals as a pastor.
Lurker wrote: Not making an argument for or against old earth; but it depends on how one interprets "death". Did Adam die when he ate of the forbidden fruit as God warned him? Just something to think about.
Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned I would think that the following verse would be a problem for evolutionists, and also could be a problem for old earth proponents. Before Adam there was no death in the world. When he sinned death entered the world,meaning that animals and people face it. I'm not sure what the position is for believers who understand the world and universe to be old. Do they think nothing existed before until a certain point in history? I'll have to study this more.
Bill is just speaking out of ignorance. Perhaps he never read what God said through the prophet Isaiah. Isaiah 1:18 ‚ÄúCome now, and let us reason together,‚ÄĚ Says the Lord, ‚ÄúThough your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool. Yeah, that sounds like an evil God doesn't it? That's sarcasm. :-)
I'm 45, and when we had two children I went to my wife and said I wanted to have another child. I cautioned her that if we had another child, then we'd drive used cars. She thought that would be ok, so instead of having one more child we had two more. People today act like we have a ton of kids because we have four. I fear for those women who choose career over motherhood because the biological clock is ticking. They just might see the clock run out, and feel sorrow for their decision.
Therwel wrote: In the article it sounds like these young parents are being put off by financial concerns rather than parenthood per se. Todays young women are more geared in modern society towards careers than motherhood. Children have become a financial burden rather than a desired family. Looking back a few decades we see people when they were less well off still aspired to marriage, parenthood and family. But sadly the god of mammon puts financial predictions in a more influential position in todays young minds.
Liberals only see people as voters and consumers. Obviously this idiot doesn't see people as precious individuals made in the image of God. Did he not think about the taxes these people would be paying if allowed to live? It's funny that liberals want all kinds of social spending and then want to kill people to save money. It's actually not funny.....it's sad.
Why lessen the amounts of abortion if there is nothing wrong with abortion? The President is talking out of both sides of his mouth. If abortion is completely justified and acceptable in our country then as a nation we should encourage women to have more of them not less. Yet the president wants to give out free birth control pills. He is of the double tongued. God is watching.
And yet we have not heard about this case from from much of the media. Why is that? It's because this man is just performing abortions outside the womb. The same thing happens inside the womb when a child is murdered.
It is hard without knowing the situation to know how to take this. Did the children turn out the way they did because of bad parenting? Or was it that the children just chose the wrong path bringing grief to their mother? Whatever the case I at least appreciate this woman's honesty. She needs to reconcile with her children and stop enabling them to use her if they are doing so.
These remarks remind me that sometimes pastors should be quiet. We all have outlooks and can think about the possibilites of something. Yet we should not always bring them up because we might be wrong. This pastor has no clue if Obama would bring on the Antichrist. Pat Robertson had no clue to know if God was judging the people of New Orleans.
I see this as an attempt of appeasment on the Democrats part. They think that we are hated by the muslim world because we deseve to be because of past atrocities. The problem with such thinking is that it is naive. Many muslims hate us because we are a free people and have been successful. Obama and many liberals feel the same way about America. It's time we were knocked down a peg or two so we can learn what it's like to be on the lower end.
Over the last several years I have prayed for Liam Neeson because of the tragic death of his wife. Perhaps the Word of God he has heard will take up root and he will cry out to Jesus for salvation. May it be so.
The problem is religious people can be very dangerous. It was religious people who lied and sentenced my Lord to death.
parqificus wrote: Roman Catholics are the same as any other reprobate which need to be evangelised and brought to the truth. The only difference is that the RC are religious! Of course it is entirely dependant upon God as to whether HE will use His disciples to reach the religious reprobate with the truth. As Jesus remarked about the religious reprobates, quote; "22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you:"
I agree that all sin is sin and in a sense any sin leads a human being to be separated from a Holy God. Therefore anyone needs the forgiveness of sin that only Jesus can give when they put their trust in His shed blood. A homosexual can do this. So can a thief, or a liar. The issue I have with Pastor Osteen is that he says to Oprah and to the world that homosexuals can get to Heaven. He needs to clarify further that he is not saying unrepentant homosexuals will get to Heaven. For God wants to change the hearts of sinners and conform them to His Will. Pastor Osteen did not stress the importance of repentence in his remarks and if I was an unbeliever I would think he said unrepentent sinners can go to Heaven.
Paul says in Romans 13 that the government whom God has established does not wield the sword for nothing. Governments were established by God to punish evil doers. What is missing in some of this discussion is that there is a big difference between sin committed between believers in the church and a crime that is punishable by the governing authorities. In Indiana where I live if we hear about or have knowledge of a sex crimes we have to by law report it. I'm not sure what other states say about such things.
odd wrote: makes me wish Luther had corrected the sale of indulgences but stayed put. what is called "church" these days is a sad joke and a stench in God's nostrils. where is the reverence?
I see it this way. Yes, this church is crazy. But, if they are not teaching the Gospel to the congregation then can they really be considered a church? At least this is only one church who has gone astray. What if there was only one central church on Earth and it went crazy? The Catholic Church has a billion people in it. And in my view they left the Gospel a long time ago. This means the vast majority of a billion people, even if they attend their individual churches are not part of the true church because they have not received Jesus as their Savior, trusting in Him completely for their soul's salvation.