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Jessica, it is not the murderers that are trying to influence common core curriculum to try and make killing an acceptable alternate lifestyle. It is not the drunkards that trying to close businesses for not supporting their drinking habits. It not the thieves that are calling people who speak against stealing thiefophobic. It is not the slanderers that are calling truth hate speech. We don't have a fornicators pride week or pro pornography parades. It is not the "people for covetousness" being supported by executive fiat from the current administration. It is not the extortioners that are pushing to silence the voice of Christians and have street preachers arrested for talking negatively of their sins.

However, all of that can be said of the LGBT community. They are currently one of the choicest of Satan's emissaries to persecute Christianity and to push us to a lawless society.

All sin needs to be preached against and abhorred. Thanks for that reminder.

As to speaking against certain sins more than others in the early church, there is much in the N.T. writings against Judiazers. Should Paul not have put an inordinate amount of writing against it because there were other sins prevalent in his day?

God bless you sister, hope this helps.


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PursuitofTruth wrote:
UPS wrote:
Where do we find God foreordained all actions, the WCF, that is it. ....
I've got more if you want 'em!
You know P.o.T., they key word here is one I have always used, all. You listed specific examples of specific people. I stated in an earlier post, "This isn't about the times of God's intervention in the affairs of men to work His will. This is about man's responsibility."

NONE of the verses you quoted, all great verses, say one word about God foreordaining ALL the actions of ALL men. They talk about God working His will in the hearts of specific men, i have never denied that. I am not even saying that God could not, if He willed, foreordain every action that anybody does, He is God.

I also will go on record to say this has nothing to do with whether we trust God or not, it has to do with blaming God for the actions of mankind and taking human responsibility out of the equation.

James Thomas, what you said is my view is not my view. It is the outworking of your doctrinal position.

This will be my last post in this thread as I have no desire to participate in a Calvinist/Arminian debate. I will check in to see if anybody answers my question about the model prayer.

God blessings to all


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PursuitofTruth wrote:
.. We cannot understand this .
Dear P.o.T, in all due respect, that is what we term a cop out. The examples you site Trinity, eternity, etc. have multiple verse support in the Scripture. Where do we find God foreordained all actions, the WCF, that is it. No Bible verse backs it up. This isn't about the sovereignty of God or His rule. This isn't about His providence, or any of the points of TULIP. This isn't about the working of God in the salvation of sinners, nor God's omniscience or omnipotence. This isn't about the times of God's intervention in the affairs of men to work His will. This is about man's responsibility. For instance why would we give an account of every idle word if we only spoke what God preordained for us?

No one has chosen to answer my question about what has been termed the Lord's prayer. The answer I have seen from multiple sources is we can't comprehend it. James asked for Scriptural proof, I have brought up many. We have demonstrated the verses you and others quote don't teach that God predetermines all actions of men.

Brother John UK, not sure this discussion is going to make much more progress, may drop from the thread. God's blessings to all.


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James 1:13-15 "13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: BUT EVERY MAN IS TEMPTED, WHEN HE DRAWN AWAY OF HIS OWN LUST, and enticed.Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin...

No need to guard your heart with all diligence (Proverbs 4:23), a waste of time, you're just going to do what God preordained for you to do.

Psalm 119:133 Order my steps in thy word: and let not any iniquity have dominion over me.
Just a prayer of a deceived man, his steps are already predetermined, it is pointless to pray for God's help for a closer walk.

Haggai 1:5 Now therefore thus saith the Lord of hosts; Consider your ways. ...
Why should they consider what they cannot change?
Not only that if we read on they obey the Lord and feared Him and instead of the leanness they experienced God said that He would be with them. Surely there is a mistake here somewhere

Romans 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

Another worthless admonition the people just need to let go and let God


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Hey John UK, trust you are well, always good to hear from you.

Must say though you mentioned nothing about total depravity, sin, salvation, or sovereignty Maybe the poster with an agenda needs to look closer


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James,thanks again for your reply. The verses are speaking of our redemption (v7), our inheritance (v11), our salvation through the gospel. Unless I am misunderstanding what you and Pursuit of Truth are saying, you are contending that every action we do is foreordained by God. These verses do not teach that. Only J4J is arguing against God's working in our salvation, I certainly am not. I don't dispute His providential work in our lives or the fact that all acts of godliness are His working it into our lives. I would say, for instance, that God has said there is no temptation that we face to which He has not given an end point (KJV way of escape) so that we can resist and overcome and not to succumb. Now, we know His goal (and hopefully ours)is that we sin not but when I choose to sin, that is not a God foreordained action, but it would of necessity have to be if all actions are foreordained by God from eternity past. People, even the lost, make choices. It is clear that we are held responsible for those choices. Why would our Lord upbraid cities for their unbelief if they were only doing what God had predetermined. I am beginning to think our differences are one of perspective.

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James Thomas wrote:
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Your summation is why would God give commands if He already has programmed out eternity? Is this a fair assessment?
Before I respond I want to be sure I understand.
Thank you
First James,thanks for your clarification and your spirit. I still contend you cannot separate God foreordaining all actions and thus foreordaining the sins that are committed just because you add a caveat. All means all.

A few verses to answer your question

I Kings 3:14 And if thou wilt walk in my ways, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as thy father David did walk, then I will lengthen thy days.

James 4:15 For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.

Deut. 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

These verses indicate there is a choice as to the path to take, or a recognition that we should seek God's will, all would be meaningless if all our actions are already foreordained. Thanks


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PursuitofTruth wrote:
UPS,
So then how do you try to explain this verse? Jer 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps. There is a whole list of other verses I could site here, but how do you explain this one? And don't just twist scripture out of context, or try to lean on your own understanding, but try to explain how man is not used by God, even though the Bible explicitly says this!
Tell you what, you answer my question and I will answer yours.

One last thought. In the "Lord's prayer" we are commanded to pray that God's will be done in earth as it in heaven, why do that if it is fait accompli? Thanks.

and thanks Bible says, appreciate the verse

James will respond shortly to your inquiry, Lord willing


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James, thanks for your patience. Many verses come to mind but space is short. There are many admonitions to the children of Israel to turn from their wickedness with the promise of blessing in return, would be needless if all actions are already preordained. We are told to add things to our faith, to lay aside all filthiness or flesh and spirit and pursue holiness in the fear of God, again useless if all actions are already preordained.

Eph. 1:11 is about God's work in our salvation not about God preordaination of ALL actions, please don't quote verses out of context.

no one is saying God doesn't not do whatever He pleases or questioning His omniscience or His ability to control the affairs of men.

Just like Pursuit of truth NONE of your verses bolster your point that God foreordains ALL the actions of men.

One last thought. In the "Lord's prayer" we are commanded to pray that God's will be done in earth as it in heaven, why do that if it is fait accompli? Thanks.


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pennned wrote:
Unprofitable Servant, I am not JoJo so I really cannot accept your apology....
I really did not think you were, she seems to be from another country, but seeing you were the one bring up the topic of discussion I used the only place in the forum to offer my apology as she has not said anything of my post, just you. I did, however try and make the distinction between what I said to you from what I said to her by addressing her by name in my post. Thanks

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James Thomas wrote:
My question was to you...Help me understand this with Scripture?
I am trying to follow your thoughts.
I have read the thread and your situations in which logic dictates your conclusion.
I am asking for you to provide Scripture to come to your conclusion.
Fair enough will do so the good Lord willing tomorrow

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pennned wrote:
if you want to ascribe secret hate to posters, (I'm assuming that's what you mean about 'I don't believe her') that's kind of the theme around here, what can I do?
might I suggest that there is a difference between "hate" and "criticism"?
ok pennned, I will retract and apologize for saying she has a hatred for jewish people. JoJo I misjudge your comment by reading between the lines things that I did not necessarily know are true, I trust you will forgive my misjudgment and anything I said that was mean-spirited.

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James Thomas wrote:
US said "He does NOT foreordain all human actions."
Can you help me understand this through Scripture?
God's word does say he is not the author of sin. No confusion on this topic.
Does God foreordain all human actions?
Thy will be done, not my will.
ball is in your court James, show me in the Bible where it says God foreordains ALL human action. My argument for my belief is in my previous post.

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pennned wrote:
fancy that, they've gone to the point that "loving neighbor" is now hate speech.
Ok penned, where is JoJo love for American Dispensatonal Christians? JoJo says she loves people who hate Christianity (jews and muslims) and all people, but apparently all people doesn't include anyone who believes in Dispensationsalism. Again, sorry if I don't believe her.

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No matter how scholarly the people were that worked on the WCF or how much people on this forum object, if you say that God foreordains EVERYTHING that happens then you cannot write off making Him the author of sinful acts by adding a caveat to your statement. By definition that means Eve partook of the forbidden fruit because God made that the path she must take and likewise Adam falling in the transgression was the work of God in Adam's life. There is a difference between foreknowledge and foreordination.

NONE, ZERO, ZIP, NADA of the verses Pursuit of Truth referenced in ANYWAY imply that God foreordains everything that happens. There is your challenge try and show us how they do. You cannot say God foreordains all actions by everybody and also say He is not the author of sin. The Bible CLEARLY teaches He is not the author of sin, which means He does NOT foreordain all human actions.

Look closer needs to live up to his moniker, what about the tree of life? Why did God tell Adam not to partake of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil if he had no choice in the matter? God said why have you done this thing, because you have done this thing, not you were foreordained to do this thing. Plus you last question is blaming God for Adam and Eve's sin.


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First, to Bible says, looks like you need to do some research, not all the members involved in the WCF were Bible scholars, there were 30 members of Parliament also in the mix.

P.o.T. no matter how scholarly the people were that worked on the WCF or how much people on this forum object, if you say that God foreordains EVERYTHING that happens then you cannot write off making Him the author of sinful acts by adding a caveat to your statement. By definition that means Eve partook of the forbidden fruit because God made that the path she must take and likewise Adam falling in the transgression was the work of God in Adam's life. There is a difference between foreknowledge and foreordination. Nothing catches God by surprise, God works things out for our good, God caused Cyrus to put out an edict for the rebuilding of the temple. God works all things after the counsel of His own will. None can stay His hand.

The Bible says He leads us in path of righteousness. Why do you think He would punish Israel according to the fruit of their doings if they were just doing what God ordained them to do? Why would He say the iniquity of the Amorites was not full yet, He hadn't made them sin enough?

Any responders spare me the sovereignty lecture (see comment 7/24/14 5:54 PM)


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pennned wrote:
Unprofitable Servant, how you can turn that statement into a statement of hate is beyond me. only in your mind.
Pennned, you are a dear sister in the Lord. I value you and what you say. I also know that you agree with the general jist of what the post said. However, just because he/she says those that don't share his/her beliefs don't love muslims and want to see them saved doesn't make it so. The brother/sister basically condemned those that don't hold his/her viewpoint as being false brethren destined for an eternity in hell. That would be the fate of false teachers. So, forgive me if I don't feel the love because he/she added a line at the end of his/her rant.

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P.o.t. my apologies, hope we can continue this tomorrow, God willing.

Bible says, thanks for you admonition to stay humble and contrite. I have no desire to come across as arrogant. Btw, check out a Catholic doctrine website, or a Mormon one, you know what you will find, a doctrinal statement, followed by Bible verses they say backs up their statement just like any other confession of faith.

I appreciate P.o.t. not using the WCF to respond to my comments. The Bible says we are to study to show ourselves approved unto God a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth, not the WCF. I am sure that many scholarly men drew up the document. They did, however, come to the table with theological presuppositions of their day and training. Some of those do not match up with Scripture. This is not a discussion I wish to delve into as it has had life in many previous threads and just seems to alienate those who wish genuine fellowship and have yet to see anyone change their position. It is a flawed document made by flawed men. It has many good things in it, but it does not deserve the elevation to the level equal to Scripture that some have given it here.

My goal is to bring glory to God and to edify the brothers and sisters here.


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PursuitofTruth wrote:
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None of these verses are quotes from The Westminster Confetion of Faith. Now why don't we see if you can answer with something from scripture that supports the contrary: that God doesn't reign soveriegn over all of His creation. I'd love to see you try to do it.
Hey, P.O.T., thanks for your response, even though I did not ask you a question. If you look at my response to Tel G one of the first things I established was God's sovereignty and quoted the verse in Daniel, not sure if you noticed that. So, I never said that God does not reign sovereign over all His creation. It is in Him we live and move and have our being and as Daniel said to Belshazzer it is in His hand our breath is.

God is omniscient so He knows everything that is going to happen before it happens. There is a difference between that and stating that He makes everything happen the way it happens. Lord willing will reply more later, thanks.

Also, thanks for not quoting the WCF in your response.


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Tel Gersene wrote:
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WCF 3/1 "God from all eternity did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass"
WCF, definitely the final authority for faith and practice. In fact I am going put scenarios for you to answer. I say you can't answer me without some WCF quote but we will see.

Let us set the ground rules, not questioning God's sovereignty, heartily acknowledge Daniel 4:35 "And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?"

However, if God ordains whatsoever comes to pass, then you make Him the author of sin.

The guy with the lustful look is only doing what God ordained Him to do. The verse that tells us to make no provision for the flesh to fulfill the lust thereof should be ripped out because we have no choice in the matter. The Christian who waste hours in front of the tv is just doing what God ordained him to do. There is no need to pursue holiness because if we do or don't isn't within the choices we make, it is just what is ordained by God to be done by us. Can think of many more but OOC.

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