SteveR wrote:
Nothing new in there Jim, I am aware of RCC shortcomings and dont need your poor propaganda links to confuse the issue of this day. The issue raised is the LORDs Prayer. Despite my opinion of the RCC, John Yurich has provided testimony of the highest honour for the Blessed Prayer given by MY LORD than anyone else here

I often say my prayers,
But do I ever pray?
And do the wishes of my heart
Go with the words I say?

I may as well kneel down
And worship gods of stone,
As offer to the living God
A prayer of words alone.

For words without the heart
The Lord wi11 never hear;
Nor will he to those lips attend
Whose prayers are not sincere.

Lord teach me what I need
And teach me how to pray;
And do not let me seek thy grace
Not meaning what I say.

There is no magic in saying what would rightfully called the disciples prayer. God still does not hear the prayer of those who know Him not. It is a pattern as has been pointed out.

John Yurich USA wrote:
Unprofitable Servant, Why do you keep stating that lie that the Mormon creed states that Mormons believe in and worship the biblical and historical Jesus? ..

Jesus Christ is the literal Son of God. His birth, life, death, and resurrection fulfilled the many prophecies contained in the scriptures concerning the coming of a Savior. He was the Creator, He is our Savior, and He will be our Judge (see Isaiah 9:6, 53:3-7; Psalms 22:16-18).

is taken directly from the Mormon site, not what some says about Mormon belief and is quite orthodox.

Chris Frost wrote:
Enlighten me. How is this Bush's fault? How are republicans to blame if they DIDN'T vote for it, as you claim? This is the fault of the people, surrendering rights for "security", and voting for a nanny state. Like everyone else in the world, we get the government we deserve.

John Yurich USA wrote:
My Baptist friend and my Non Denominational brother are Born Again. My brother was raised Catholic and knows Catholic doctrine and yet he doesn't state that Catholics worship a False jesus. Luther didn't even state that Catholics worship a False jesus.

John Y, you acknowledge the Mormons don't worship the Jesus of Scripture, yet I see little difference in their statement and the one you quoted from the Catholic creed.

What is the testimony of demons?

See Matthew 8:29, Mark 1:24; 3:11;5:7, Luke 4:34; 4:41 and James 2:19

The devils also acknowledge Jesus as God, are they to be counted as worshipers of the Biblical Christ?

The Jesus the Catholics worship, as pointed out several times, most recently by Corby2 is a god of their own making and not the risen Savior, Almighty God spoken of in the Bible. The devil knows if you mix a little truth in with a lie your "truth" is more believable. It is nevertheless still a lie.

According to Stanley Kurtz in the National Review,
President Obama is not a fan of America’s suburbs. Indeed, he intends to abolish them. With suburban voters set to be the swing constituency of the 2012 election, the administration’s plans for this segment of the electorate deserve scrutiny. Obama is a longtime supporter of “regionalism,� the idea that the suburbs should be folded into the cities, merging schools, housing, transportation, and above all taxation. To this end, the president has already put programs in place designed to push the country toward a sweeping social transformation in a possible second term. The goal: income equalization via a massive redistribution of suburban tax money to the cities.

John Yurich USA wrote:
You don't consider readings from the Bible, the Apostles Creed, prayers to Jesus and the words of Jesus from the Last Supper scriptural? How insane can anybody be?

Stever wrote:
I cringe when people draw conclusions from tabloidish headlines. The AP article explains he blessed the 'people' (not bikes). And later many joined in the Pro Life Rally taking place the same day
"Francis drove up the main boulevard leading to St. Peter's Square, blessing the thousands of people in what was a giant Harley parking lot.
Once the service got under way, bikers in their trademark leather Harley vests sat in the square alongside nuns and tens of thousands of faithful Catholics taking part in an unrelated, two-day pro-life rally."

Michael Hranek wrote:
Unprofitable Servant
Just expressing frustration.
For a very long time now I have considered the harm of what some call "Neo-Calvinism" upon one's prayer life.
When election and predestination are bombarded on the saints it is so easy to forget the wonderful promises believers have of heard and answered prayer, that the prayer of the upright is His delight, that the effective fervant prayer of the righteous man avail much, and so much more dealing with the importance of prayer in the living out of our faith...

Christopher000 wrote:
I wonder why we have to pray for anyone at all if God has already foreordained those He wants by His side. ..

John for JESUS wrote:
... We are not in Christ unless we first believe.

John for JESUS wrote:
...He even goes so far as to change the words of 1 John 2:29, 3:9, 4:7, and 5:1 to try and prove his point.

“Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of
God� (1 John 3:9). Born Again, Not Something We Do. Whoever has been born of God is in the perfect tense (an action which is viewed as having been completed in the past, once and for all, not needing to be repeated.) It is also in the passive voice (which represents the subject as being the recipient of the action.) In other words, when Jesus was telling Nicodemus (in John 3) that unless a man be born again, he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven, He wasn’t telling Nicodemus to do something. He was simply telling Nicodemus what the case must be."

SteveR wrote:
Dolores
I feel jpw offered some fine advice, he does need your prayer. However he also needs your good conversation as a Godly woman.
1 Peter 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; 1 Peter 3:2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
1 Peter 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; 1 Peter 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. 1 Peter 3:5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands: 1 Peter 3:6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

Michael Hranek wrote:
Unprofitable Servant
Amen! and Amen!
1 John 4:7-11 (NKJV)
7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.
8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
9 In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him.
10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
btw my daughter got a job in TN and is staying in GA. My wife is plotting to move us back to the South (she is from TN but likes GA a bit better right now)

Matthew 16:15-17 (NKJV) " He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?�

Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.�