Ignominious Emirakan wrote: Heathen & politicos propane &blaspheme- based on evil examples of God's people.
Thanks, looks familiar. great explanation however, not one based on what the Scripture states just on the ponderings of men.
Remember I am not saying that your testimony doesn't matter. I am not saying that what the righteous do has no effect on those around them. I am saying, and no one has shown to the contrary, that saying the choices of the unregenerate are caused by the lifestyle of the regenerate is not found in Holy Writ. That is this articles contention, that some how, because in the writer's opinion Christians became weak on the issue of divorce, we now have "all the cultural problems" of today. The Scriptures remind us that every one gives account of himself to God. God doesn't excuse your choice because someone else made a bad one also. The wicked are said to be estranged FROM THE WOMB, not because they would have done right but now due to the influence of Christians they chose to do wrong. It is their nature. Read Ephesians 2, see I Peter 4 and Romans 3. The impenitent lost act like the impenitent lost because that is who they are. If you want to blame Christians for all the evils today, have at it.
I see God reprimanding the righteous for their actions. Would you be so kind,I.E.,to show me where in those verses where God is saying anything about how the unrighteous are acting? In both passages it is the righteous that are doing the blasphemy by their actions
B. McCausland wrote: 1.Never was my intention to prove anything;
2.was only reaffirming some one else comment that you chose to contest as an argument. _
1.One wonders how you can say that in good conscience
2. Actually if you were paying attention, my first post 4/25/17 5:23 AM was about the article and FG took it personally and said I wasn't paying attention to what was said. (it was because I wasn't commenting on what he/she said) I then responded to his/her post to me. Are you saying I should not have taken the courtesy to respond?
You continue to make it sound like I believe that the actions of the regenerate are not important and have no effect. I certainly do and recognize they can be an influence for good or bad to those around them whether saved or unsaved. I do not believe the saved are responsible for the choices of the lost or as the author put it to blame for virtually all of our cultural problems.
B. McCausland wrote: 2. Yes 3. & 4. Read the verses again, plz 5. It seems you have missed the explanation about cause and reason 6. There have been given passages about this in the positive that you choose to ignore; more could be given in the negative as 1Pe. 2:12 & 3:16 No intention to continue in argumentation Take care
Was unaware it was an argument. Sorry, but your points failed to prove the premise of this article, a fact which you seem to ignore. Didn't really think we were far apart in what we were stating. God bless.
Neither am I saying there is nothing God's people can do there's no telling how much evil would be abated if we spent more time in prayer before the throne of grace to see Him work for us according to the good hand of our God upon us
not enough time to fully respond. I am not denying that Christians have an influence, I am stating on firm Biblical grounds that the contention that Christians are to blame for virtually all of our cultural problems is wrong. We would have these so called cultural issues regardless of how Christians act. The first century Christians were said to turned the world upside down but history and a reading of the warnings in the Epistles will tell you it was a very immoral world in which they lived.
Lord willing will look at verses with you in a later post. God bless
B. McCausland wrote: You make a valid point. Though sin comes from man's fallen heart, Christians *are* the salt of the earth, and lights showing forth the *virtues* of him that called them, this is God's character, principles, statues, and laws. This influence will, directly, or indirectly effect a vital measure of difference in any society, creating in the long term beneficial points of reference to the whole. Faith overcomes by the word of testimony: " ... give thanks unto the LORD; ... *make known* his deeds among the people ... *talk ye of all his wondrous works* " Ps 105
Thanks BcCausland, this is a point I made in my 4/25/17 5:23 AM post. What Mr. Walsh and the headline implies is that Christians are the reason the unregenerate act as they do. All of us should strive to love our God with all our heart, mind and soul. All of us should pursue holiness and live to please God. All of us will have lamentable times when we fall and give in to unmortified sins. Our lack of walking in the light and being the salt and light God commanded us to be is not the cause of the choices made by the lost as shown in Romans 1:18-32 and 3:10-18. God Bless.
FG wrote: You don't seem to pay attention very well... the church was in its fledgling state.
My apologies for not paying attention.
I also want to note my appeal is to both Old and New Testaments. Please be so kind as to share with me where God says to ANY of His children that they are responsible for the actions of the unregenerate.
For example the Bible states in Noah's day the imagination of man's heart was only evil continually, a pretty bad indictment of the whole of humanity. Where does God reprimand Noah and his family for the conditions of his day?
You said yourself, we are responsible, I am certain you would say the same of the impenitent.
Even accepting the premise that Christians and Conservatives could have and should have done more, it does not make them responsible for the choices of the LGBT community and its supporters.
Read II Timothy 3:1-5 and Romans 1:18-32 and see where God puts the blame for all our cultural problems.
Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
This is the old argument that sc always brought up but never proved from the Bible. You cannot, and I am willing to be proved wrong, see where God ever reprimands His people for the actions of the world. We are to be salt and light, we are to fight the good fight of faith, but we are not responsible for the unregenerate acting like they are unregenerate. The weapons of our warfare are not carnal. We should speak out against sin but even the church that Paul called carnal was not rebuked for their lifestyle being the cause of the sinful choices of those that knew not God.
we believe that there was a literal world wide flood and that a literal man named Noah who built an ark and that God brought all the animals to him to perserve them during the flood
We believe that God literally wrote on tables of stone and gave it to Moses
We believe that God literally made the ground wet and fleece dry for Gideon
We believe that Elijah literally called down fire from heaven
We believe that Elisha by God's power made the axhead to literally float
We believe that Namaan was literally cured of his leprosy by dipping in the Jordan 7 times
We believe that Jesus literally walked on water, healed the sick, raised the dead, cast out demons, read people's mind, walked untouched and unrecognized through a crowd of people trying to throw him off a cliff, gave the blind sight, multiplied the food to feed the thousands, and commanded the sea and the wind.
We believe there are literally many allegorical passages in the Word of God like Revelation 17.(are you paying attention)
We believe John literally described what he saw in Revelation 1:16
We hope one day you will see that the Word of God is trustworthy
penned continues to put out positions not held by the people she disdains, and imploring her to stick to the truth doesn't seem to be something she is willing to do. So, with apologies to all the good people here who believe in Covenant theology and Amillennialism I am going to throw the ball back in her court.
we believe that God literally spoke the world into existence and that Genesis 1 is not an allegory.
we believe the children of Israel literally crossed the Red Sea on dry ground, not that it just some symbolic passage that spoke of moving on in difficult times.
we believe the walls of Jericho literally fell to the ground and the sun literally stood still in the days of Joshua not that it was an allegory of overcoming sin and looking on the bright side.
we believe that David literally killed Goliath with his own sword after using a stone and a slingshot to take him down not that it was just an allegory about how to overcome giants in our lives.
We believe God literally left heaven and took on flesh, lived a perfect sinless life, was crucified, buried, rose again and ascended to His current position of our great high priest Who ever lives to make intercession on our behalf, not that the story was just symbols and dark sayings.
You do know that this is not a church but a forum where you can share your thoughts. BMC is free to share her thoughts and insights as part of fulfilling exhort one another daily. She is not in violation of any Scripture.
Haven't met and you cannot produce a dispensationslist that believes or practices what you said in your last post penned. They are a figment of the imagination of the websites from which you get your inaccurate information
ladybug wrote: Brother US, . Christ must be our all in all, or He's nothing. If we are not following His example, we need to repent. ...
So good to hear from you dear sister Ladybug and thank you so much for very kind and gracious words. I want you to know I still keep you, by God's grace, in my thoughts and prayers.
I had actually bit my tongue, so to speak, and even wrote but not posted replies to sister jpw but I guess the cult part crossed the line. I count jpw as a sister beloved and understand her frustration with those who don't see things your way, but dispensationalism is not the root of all evil. It has more than its share of problems but not to the extent that has been portrayed by her in these forums.
God bless you sister ladybug, I love your comment about Christ being all. We all need to be more like Him, more in love with Him, walk as those who are crucified with Him, and grow in the grace and knowledge of Him daily. I know I fail Him far too often. This time of year as we think of His passion, His death, and His glorious resurrection, it humbles us to be able to say Amazing grace that saved a wretch like me, I once was lost but now am found was blind but hallelujah now I see. To Him be the glory, God bless.
Christopher000 wrote: Thanks US. Simple and redundant, but never received. I hope you've been doing well, and you as well, Connor.
Thanks for your concern and kind words, brother Christopher. We are blessed by God and His graciousness and are doing well, thanks for asking.
Adriel, no one said that JW or Mormons were in any way orthodox. I was just showing John Yurich the inaccuracy of his statement and that just as you pointed out about the unorthodox views of these cults, the RCC also does not hold what we would call orthodox views. All three "worship" a God of their own making apart from Scripture. They all hold a mixture of truth and error but we all know a little leaven, leavens the whole lump.
This gets tiring. Dispensationalism, as held by believers, does not hold cult positions. The way you portray Dispensationalist beliefs cannot be found at dispensational sites, they only exist in sites that are, for lack of better term, anti-dispensational. (ie your recent Russia must be the enemy) In case you didn't realize it the word dispensation is found in the Bible. (Ephesian 1:10) The terms Covenant of Grace, Covenant of Works, and Covenant of Redemption are NOT found in the Bible yet you believe in them, does that make your thinking a cult? Supralapsarianism is simply man made doctrine about something that no man witnessed, it is pure speculation.
You are slandering thousands of God's people just because they don't view the Scriptures the same way you do. I am not interested in defining or defending dispensationalism. You don't base your opinion of these believers about their faith by talking to them, so you believe the inaccuracies that others spread about them.
John McCain was raised Presbyterian (CT) and BHO was no dispensationalist, neither is Trump. You are free to spread your inaccuracies about the dispensationalists and misrepresent their doctrine, but these people are your brothers and sisters in the Lord. (I John 4:20)
John Yurich USA wrote: No JW or Mormon can state "We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God" as they do not believe that Jesus is God. But every practicing Catholic believes that statement about Jesus being the Lord and only begotten Son of God. That statement is in the Catholic Catechism.
care to take that back, here are statements from first a Mormon website and then a Jehovah Witness website
"What We Believe Jesus Christ Is the Only Begotten Son of God"
Just like Conner stated about Roman Catholicism, they do a bait an switch and give you their made up version of the Lord that follows their doctrine. So the fact that Catholics say the believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God has the same merit as a Mormon or Jehovah Witness stating the same. It is still replacing the true Christ with One of their own making.
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. Titus 1