SteveR wrote: Nothing new in there Jim, I am aware of RCC shortcomings and dont need your poor propaganda links to confuse the issue of this day. The issue raised is the LORDs Prayer. Despite my opinion of the RCC, John Yurich has provided testimony of the highest honour for the Blessed Prayer given by MY LORD than anyone else here
Not sure what honor that would be seeing that he stated that, "Jesus prayed the Lord's prayer." Two problems there, He never PRAYED the Lord's prayer, he simple gave it to the disciples as instruction. (obviously he had no sins for which to ask forgiveness) and two as previously pointed out the "Lord's prayer" is a misnomer as it is a prayer pattern for His disciples (those truly born again by the Spirit of God)So, not sure how you can give his words such accolades, nothing against John Yurich posting intended in my comment.
It would be improperly called the Lord's prayer as the Lord would never have to pray it. So, Mike would have correctly observed that we find the Lord's prayer in John 17. As SteveR noted Luke 11 does say, "say ye", so it would be inappropriate to say we cannot repeat the prayer verbatim. We would have to use the caution credited to John Burton,
I often say my prayers, But do I ever pray? And do the wishes of my heart Go with the words I say?
I may as well kneel down And worship gods of stone, As offer to the living God A prayer of words alone.
For words without the heart The Lord wi11 never hear; Nor will he to those lips attend Whose prayers are not sincere.
Lord teach me what I need And teach me how to pray; And do not let me seek thy grace Not meaning what I say.
There is no magic in saying what would rightfully called the disciples prayer. God still does not hear the prayer of those who know Him not. It is a pattern as has been pointed out.
As to SteveR condemning evangelical churches and praising the RCC, He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous, Both of them alike are an abomination to the LORD. Proverbs 17:15 NASB)
John Yurich USA wrote: Unprofitable Servant, Why do you keep stating that lie that the Mormon creed states that Mormons believe in and worship the biblical and historical Jesus? ..
Ok, let us see if we can get a perspective on this John Yurich. First, let me say I have never said that the Mormons believe in the historical Christ of Scripture. The quote,
Jesus Christ is the literal Son of God. His birth, life, death, and resurrection fulfilled the many prophecies contained in the scriptures concerning the coming of a Savior. He was the Creator, He is our Savior, and He will be our Judge (see Isaiah 9:6, 53:3-7; Psalms 22:16-18).
is taken directly from the Mormon site, not what some says about Mormon belief and is quite orthodox.
You keep quoting a Catholic Creed that states they believe in Jesus as the only Son of God as "proof" that Catholics have always worshiped the historic Jesus, I am saying that is NO proof, just as the quote from the Mormon site you quite correctly point out is NO proof they believe in the historic Jesus. The RCC, just like the Mormons, worship a Jesus of their own making, no statement of faith changes that fact.
Chris Frost wrote: Enlighten me. How is this Bush's fault? How are republicans to blame if they DIDN'T vote for it, as you claim? This is the fault of the people, surrendering rights for "security", and voting for a nanny state. Like everyone else in the world, we get the government we deserve.
Can't tell you how, you will have to wait for a comment from Jim from Lincoln to get the inside scoop. I was being tongue in cheek in anticipation of his response.
Don't forget this is all President Bush's fault. Also, due to the fact the republicans didn't cast a single vote in favor of the final passage. Whatever you do, don't blame our president for this intrusive boondoggle!!!
Contempt for the constitution, the president is an expert on that. And since less than 1% of abortions deal with rape or incest (not advocating abortion in those cases) then the women did have a reproductive right to chose at the beginning of the pregnancy.
John Yurich USA wrote: My Baptist friend and my Non Denominational brother are Born Again. My brother was raised Catholic and knows Catholic doctrine and yet he doesn't state that Catholics worship a False jesus. Luther didn't even state that Catholics worship a False jesus.
Please note, that from previous post, 6/17/13 11:33 AM Unprofitable Servant| Georgia , that the statement on the Mormon site and the testimony of demons, is every bit as orthodox as the creed you quote from the Catholics. Are you saying that because they(Mormons and demons) have an accurate statement then they are to be considered true followers of Christ? Because that is what you are saying about the RCC. I would say all are false and just because they state things accurately in their creed does not give them credibility.
Jesus Christ is the literal Son of God. His birth, life, death, and resurrection fulfilled the many prophecies contained in the scriptures concerning the coming of a Savior. He was the Creator, He is our Savior, and He will be our Judge (see Isaiah 9:6, 53:3-7; Psalms 22:16-18). from Mormon.org
John Y, you acknowledge the Mormons don't worship the Jesus of Scripture, yet I see little difference in their statement and the one you quoted from the Catholic creed.
What is the testimony of demons?
See Matthew 8:29, Mark 1:24; 3:11;5:7, Luke 4:34; 4:41 and James 2:19
The devils also acknowledge Jesus as God, are they to be counted as worshipers of the Biblical Christ?
The Jesus the Catholics worship, as pointed out several times, most recently by Corby2 is a god of their own making and not the risen Savior, Almighty God spoken of in the Bible. The devil knows if you mix a little truth in with a lie your "truth" is more believable. It is nevertheless still a lie.
This has nothing to do with liturgy or denominations. It has to do with truth. If the Spirit of God guides into all truth (John 16:13) Then we learn to hate every false way. (Psalm 119:104) Light and darkness know of no mixture. Our prayer to God is that by His grace and for His glory He will save you.
According to Stanley Kurtz in the National Review, President Obama is not a fan of Americaâs suburbs. Indeed, he intends to abolish them. With suburban voters set to be the swing constituency of the 2012 election, the administrationâs plans for this segment of the electorate deserve scrutiny. Obama is a longtime supporter of âregionalism,â the idea that the suburbs should be folded into the cities, merging schools, housing, transportation, and above all taxation. To this end, the president has already put programs in place designed to push the country toward a sweeping social transformation in a possible second term. The goal: income equalization via a massive redistribution of suburban tax money to the cities.
Stever wrote: I cringe when people draw conclusions from tabloidish headlines. The AP article explains he blessed the 'people' (not bikes). And later many joined in the Pro Life Rally taking place the same day "Francis drove up the main boulevard leading to St. Peter's Square, blessing the thousands of people in what was a giant Harley parking lot. Once the service got under way, bikers in their trademark leather Harley vests sat in the square alongside nuns and tens of thousands of faithful Catholics taking part in an unrelated, two-day pro-life rally."
Really, if you are going to quote from the article, then quote from the article. "VATICAN CITY (AP) â Biker culture came to the Vatican on Sunday as Pope Francis BLESSED THOUSANDS OF HARLEY-DAVIDSONS and their riders..." The article clearly states he "blessed" the bikes and distinguished it from the bikers. Christopher000 comprehends that it makes no sense to want anything that is "blessed" by those described in John 3:36 as under the wrath of God. I will take his comprehension level any day over those who think that the gospel is being preached in Catholic churches or there are Scriptural parts of the mass.
Michael Hranek wrote: Unprofitable Servant Just expressing frustration. For a very long time now I have considered the harm of what some call "Neo-Calvinism" upon one's prayer life. When election and predestination are bombarded on the saints it is so easy to forget the wonderful promises believers have of heard and answered prayer, that the prayer of the upright is His delight, that the effective fervant prayer of the righteous man avail much, and so much more dealing with the importance of prayer in the living out of our faith...
Thanks for the great comments Michael, they were truly a blessing to me. Prayer is such a faith builder, and it just blessed to spend time with the heavenly Triune God. The fact that He remembers our frame that we are but dust and ashes and deigns Himself to have sweet communion with us unworthy ones is unfathomable. Yet we rejoice that His Word reminds us that the prayer of the upright is His delight. Thanks again brother for your observation, we all need that reminder. God bless.
Christopher000 wrote: I wonder why we have to pray for anyone at all if God has already foreordained those He wants by His side. ..
Two things to consider, One God is a God of means. Remember He chose the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe and we are to pray that the Lord will send forth laborers into His harvest. Secondly, God is not bound by time. He inhabits eternity past, present, and future.
John for JESUS wrote: ... We are not in Christ unless we first believe.
not much time, so a drive by comment, J4J, show me anywhere in this thread that anybody has said that there those in Christ who are not believers. The point you are missing is where faith originates, all of believe you must place that faith in the finished work of Christ to be saved.
Jim from Lincoln neglects to tell you that Mr. Abramoff also was a big supporter of democratic big wigs Harry Reid, Tom Daschle, and Richard Gebhardt as well as other democrats. WHY? Because although he may be a great brother and poster here on this website, he is NOT an independent.
John for JESUS wrote: ...He even goes so far as to change the words of 1 John 2:29, 3:9, 4:7, and 5:1 to try and prove his point.
I read the article that was referenced, JFJ, and you had stated you thought the author change the words to fit his meaning. He actually just reflected the voice, tense, mood that is in the original greek. Not being a greek scholar, but you can verify the accuracy of this easily in the Blue Letter Bible website, I offer the explanation we see by Paul Viggiano.
âWhoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of Godâ (1 John 3:9). Born Again, Not Something We Do. Whoever has been born of God is in the perfect tense (an action which is viewed as having been completed in the past, once and for all, not needing to be repeated.) It is also in the passive voice (which represents the subject as being the recipient of the action.) In other words, when Jesus was telling Nicodemus (in John 3) that unless a man be born again, he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven, He wasnât telling Nicodemus to do something. He was simply telling Nicodemus what the case must be."
SteveR wrote: Dolores I feel jpw offered some fine advice, he does need your prayer. However he also needs your good conversation as a Godly woman. 1 Peter 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; 1 Peter 3:2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. 1 Peter 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; 1 Peter 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. 1 Peter 3:5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands: 1 Peter 3:6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.
Hey Steve, just a fyi, jpw is a lady, although been through this before, from her post,"Dolores, I'm a gal like you."
Michael Hranek wrote: Unprofitable Servant Amen! and Amen! 1 John 4:7-11 (NKJV) 7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love. 9 In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him. 10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. btw my daughter got a job in TN and is staying in GA. My wife is plotting to move us back to the South (she is from TN but likes GA a bit better right now)
Thanks for your nice comment, and tell your wife how much you will miss the snow and the cold temperatures if you end up moving