Jim Lincoln wrote: Sorry, Mike of NY, because the facts to show that. I think in one thread, I was generous to point out that a right wing source - - which could have been right - - said it could be just an accident timing. But of course we all know better, it was just superior Democratic policies. By the way, a happy 4th of July to everyone.
Obama economy has been and continues to be an absolute disaster, highest rate of people out of work force in decades, 93 million and counting. It was under President Jimmy Carter we had the misery index of double digit inflation and double digit interest rates. FDR's policies greatly extended the length of the great depression.
The Great Dingo wrote: News Flash......give up your 5013c status and become a sovereign church. A church by default under the US constitution cannot be taxed. Wake up! Think of it this way....when those of you who believe in giving your mandatory 10% to the 5013c non-profit church, you are not really giving 10%. You claim you are giving 10%, but in reality you are deducting that amount from your taxes which lowers you taxable income which allows you to keep more of your money (kickback).
Just for clarification. As you noted, churches are automatically tax exempt, they do not need to apply for 501c3, and should get rid of it if they have. Thus you are allowed to take YOUR money deducted off YOUR payment to the government. That would not be a kickback, it is simply keeping more of your money. It would be a kickback if the money belonged to the government, it does not. Plus getting my own money back from the government does not give me any influence with the government. Your are not deducting the amount from your taxes you are deducting the amount from your income that is taxed, HUGE difference. (you said, "you are deducting that amount from your taxes")
pennnelepe wrote: you all need to read about the penta. paying Syrian jihadists.... ya, McCain's freedom fighters?
I read about that, followed links to defense department memos, did not see what they saw, but will admit may be because not as trained an eye as them, something about paying $400 a month. Other articles about Obama support for the "moderate" radicals. It is pretty bad. So, what is your solution to the issue? We already know our government is corrupt, what should we do with the info? I did see McCain and Graham mentioned too. How do you think we should respond? It is more of my money being spent by the government in ways I don't approve. As Pogo said, we have met the enemy and he is us.
ladybug wrote: The whole system of my politics is summed up in this one verse, "The Lord reigns! Let the nations tremble!" Psalm 99:1 The times look awfully dark indeed; and as the clouds grow thicker--the stupidity of the nation seems proportionally to increase. If the Lord had not a remnant here, I would have very formidable apprehensions. But He loves His redeemed children; some are sighing and mourning before Him, and I am sure He hears their sighs, and sees their tears. I trust there is mercy in store for us at the bottom; but I expect a shaking time before things get into a right channel--before we are humbled, and are taught to give Him the glory. The state of the nation, the state of the churches--both are deplorable! Those who should be praying--are disputing and fighting among themselves! Alas! how many professors are more concerned for the mistakes of government--than for their own sins! "Hallelujah! For our Lord God Almighty reigns!" Revelation 19:6 John Newton
excellent post, sister ladybug thanks for contributing, looks like it was starting to go downhill and you came through with your uplifting thoughts, God's blessing to you
my two cents of this. If there was any truth that Christians ignored your "litany of sins" as they are called, in the past and did not zealously preach against them, then you would have a point. problem is, that is not true.
Neither is it true today that Christian churches don't preach against them or grieve over them. You falsely assume that because people are posting about the sodomites that they aren't against the other things you mentioned. As the previous poster mentioned, they aren't in the article. Every time they do come up, like when they had an article about the dress of praise music leaders, they were thoroughly condemned. If you want to say the American people have overlooked those sins, heartily agree, we don't live in a nation filled with born again Christians and many who call themselves Christians are not.
Just because people don't comment against immorality and immodesty at every article about the LBGT movement does not mean they tolerate the other.
s c wrote: ... Never try to tell your daughter not to dress a certain way... The church taking a stand for immodesty in the past is a somewhat passe concept. ..
1. Pedophiles are not encouraged or discouraged by the way their victims dressed. If that were true we wouldn't have them in churches that emphasis proper attire, sadly they have been found there. 2. Men are not attracted to women because of their clothing. Put an elderly lady or extremely overweight lady in skimpy clothes and most men will look away. 3. I am not advocating girls of any age wear cheerleading outfits. 4. You should consider the need to not give out dictates to other people on how to rear their children, my guess is you don't have any. (again not important to know) 5. You need to find better churches. How can you condemn the churches for "not taking a stand, and allegedly winking at sin" saying it is the reason we find ourselves with the way things are today, and then say it doesn't matter if they did? It is incongruous. 6. Although I know you will never agree, I still believe your statement was inappropriate and it would have been inappropriate for Jason Cooley to say also. (Titus 2:8)
s c wrote: I'm kinda sorry that we have not been this sorrowful...
I believe you misrepresent the church by saying it did not take a stand against immorality and immodesty in the past. I been attending fundamentalist churches for over 50 years and have heard many messages against such practices.
It would take a deviant mind for a person to associate a young girl in a cheerleading outfit with a woman of the streets. The Bible in Proverbs tells us that the harlot allures and seduces her victim for immoral purposes, pretty sure most girl cheerleaders, especially those whose age is still in single digits , have no interest in attracting boys or spending anytime with them. I am not saying you have a deviant mind, I understand you were trying to make a point. But we both know you are preaching to the choir here. We already know, via Ellie, that young children read some of these comments. You should be careful not to say that they or their parents have such wicked intentions.
You are right America has reaped what it has sown and if it had been run by Christians, we might have more culpability.
Expression of concern and sorrow at this decision, which by the way the article is about, does not mean it just started on Friday.
B. McCausland wrote: Yes, they might in some details, yet the philosophy behind ladies' pans remains unisex. ...
Brother I really appreciate you emphasis on living according to Scriptures and honoring God in all we do. Every piece of clothing you have is from the world's fashion philosphy. I am not against your conviction that woman should not wear pants. I don't see that you have enough Scriptural mandate or even historical backing to bind the conscience of all believers to your point of view. If it were all unisex then they would be no difference between men and women pants. You also run into what about t-shirts. You can buy the same t-shirt for both sexes from your vacation resort. in fact, it is once you buy a "ladies" t-shirt that you start to run into modesty issues. Other items could be named, not trying to get an argument going. God bless you brother, even if we don't see eye to eye here, may God show His truth to us all.
A man dressed in a Hillary Clinton pants suit would be a cross dresser. Women's and men's pants are different. You can't take a verse out of context. The same chapter says you can't mix fabrics but I am sure the men posters have a wool blend suit. It also says you need blue fringes at the bottom of all your garments and I am sure no one posting has that either. You cannot bind the conscience of believers to something that is strictly your interpretation of Holy Writ.
The over riding principle is let everyman be fully persuaded in his own mind and whatsoever is not of faith is sin. The Bible standard is simply modest apparel.
Here is the law that the Democrats wrote, no Republican voted for it and all their amendments were nixed by the Democrats. "The law states that tax credits will be available through so-called exchanges, or online marketplaces, "established by the State." When it was being crafted..." lawmakers purposely made tax credits available only in state-run exchanges as an incentive for governors and legislatures to create their own exchanges. (USA today article)
The president ignored the law and set up subsidies in states that did not set up exchanges. Clearly not what the Democrat lawmakers (key here Jim, lawmakers) intended or the administration at the time it was passed.
The SCOTUS basically said words don't matter. Really, then why write laws? So, basically Jim you are saying in order to support something you believe in, we should operate outside the realm of law if necessary.
How does that coincide with your view of Romans 13? Are you saying the ends justifies the means?
Obamacare is a disaster that only continues to get worse. Pretty soon your doctor will be replaced by a nurse practitioner while your prices continue to skyrocket.
And do us all a favor, whether the Justices are Catholic, Protestant or Jewish has no bearing on the decision they made.
Well, I will admit my prediction failed miserably. Now will come the assault on all churches, not just 501c3 ones, to have to acknowledge and accept the LGBT agenda. Not just "gay" marriage but transgenders and all the slippery slope that will come with NAMBLA, etc. The thing that got the ball rolling was the current administration overturning of DOMA, elections have consequences.
May God give us grace to stand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity..." - Rahm Emanuel
If the guy had used a rainbow LBGT flag none of the mainstream press or politicians would be talking about dumping the flag or blaming LBGT influence for his heinous crime. Why is there no focus on the families who have lost loved ones?
There is probably someone in Congress introducing new legislation for gun control. Now we have the Supreme Court saying a law doesn't mean what the writers of the law said it meant.(but Jim will say the ends justifies the means on that one)
It is rough to watch all this, but have to say with another servant of God that no matter how dire the circumstances, "Yet I will rejoice in the Lord, I will joy in the God of my salvation. The Lord God is my strength; He will make my feet like deerâ€™s feet, and He will make me walk on my high hills." Habakkuk 3:18,19
Have to agree with GS, we moved here 31 years ago and originally wonder why people didn't realize the War between the States had ended 119 years previous. When I first moved here I would have said that so called Confederate flag was just part of Southern heritage. I will now agree with GS, with rare exception those who proudly display the rebel flag are very much prejudice against blacks. In a southern suburb of Atlanta there is a prominent display of the flag, you ask any of the fine hard working black people with whom I work and they will tell you, it is like a big you are not welcome sign to them. Many Southern states added it back into predominance in the state flag etc. to defy desegregation. It may not have that meaning historically but that has changed. I am not for taking down the statues, war memorials, etc that do define the men who gave their lives during the war, it is part of our history. I am not saying slavery was the main issue of the war between the states, Lincoln did that to keep England from joining forces with the South as they had recently abolished slavery in their country. There is much slavery currently elsewhere that the people who are upset at the confederate flag care nothing about, so their "outrage" is purely political.
But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. (Hebrews 3:13)
Therefore exhort one another, and build each other up, even as you also do. (I Thessalonians 5:11)
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. (Colossians 3:16)
And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also. (II Timothy 2:2)
These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.(Titus 2:15)
Whoever loves instruction loves knowledge, But he who hates correction is stupid (Proverbs 12:1)
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (II Timothy 3:16)
There is wise counsel given by our fellow Christians, much wisdom in Christian literature. Many good sermons with counsel here on SA. Everything scrutinized through the lens of Scripture. The Holy Spirit uses means of grace. Maybe that is what you meant sc, that is not what you said.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Nonsense, SteveR, the war of Rebellion was just that ...
Which party stood for all this? Oh yeah, it was the Democrats. Which party practiced Jim Crow and founded the KKK, oh yeah it was the Democrats. Which party put the "Confederate" flag on the state flags or atop the capitol building in protest of desegregation, the Democrats again. Which party did NOT vote for the 14th amendment granting citizenship to former slaves or the 15th amending granting them the right to vote, if you guessed Democrats go the head of the class. Which senator blocked civil rights legislation during the Eisenhower administration, that would be Democratic LBJ. Which party voted in much smaller percentages for the civil rights legislation that was passed than the Republicans, yup the Democrats.
Thankfully, even though you only promote the Democratic agenda, and vote for Democrats, you are an independent and none of this touches you. This post is not intended as an endorsement of the Republicans, just calling a spade a spade.
Christopher000 wrote: ... To sum it up, my simple, well, maybe not so simple question is: How do we ever even know if we're being obedient or simply doing what we think is best, or most convenient?
It could be a very complex question to answer. SC put out a good word. I will just add that meditating and praying over the Word will help discern God's direction in our lives. If we follow Paul's example and make it our desire to know Him and when we walk in the light as He is in the light and have fellowship with Him, we will grow in our knowledge of Him and in turn we will grow in our knowledge of His will.
Here was a helpful link along the line of your question
Petrol Wave, I am sure I could fill multiple post with verses (like II Chronicles 7:14) that show repentance and forgiveness go hand in hand. I was just quoting from B. McCausland and affirming the truth of his statement so that my admonishment would not be misunderstood.
I apologize, as I am not sure from where you are coming. The sins of ignorance once brought out to be sin, were confessed and forsaken and atonement was made for them. In Acts 3, nearly just a couple dozen words later the apostle told the people to repent and be converted. As for the cities of refuge, I would say with the Lord, an accident is not a sin but nevertheless actions have consequences.
But your post is a reminder that we need to be diligently meditating upon and searching the Scriptures while praying with the Psalmist, serach me, try me and see if there be any wicked way in me and lead me in the everlasting way. That God would be pleased to cleanse us from secret faults and keep back His servants from presumptuous sins so that we will glorify Him in all we do, and not do injustice to the precious blood of Christ. May it be an encouragement to treasure His word in our hearts so that we sin not against our loving and gracious heavenly Father.