I would be the first to agree our Lord said if you removed the plank in your eye that will help you see more clearly not to judge but to help your brother remove the speck n his eye. We don't want to find ourselves in Luke 18:9-12.
All sin is a violation of no other gods before me and love the Lord your God with all your heart. So, unless, we are saying that our sin is not as bad the other persons, then all of us have to deal with areas of our own spiritual deviation from being perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect and holy as He is holy. Once we start with the high standard that God lays out, then we discover that we, like Job must say we are vile and abhor ourselves in dust and ashes. The more closely we walk in the light the more we see the darkness of our own heart and thus must have the blood of Jesus Christ to cleanse us from our sins of omission and commission. When I come knowing that all I have is of God, then my view of others will be more one in lowliness of mind, esteeming them better than myself. My sin will grieve me more than their struggles. My attitude will be but for the grace of God there go I. That, in part, is how I view judging the faults of others.
sc, I would say you are not talking mainly about those who are saved and fight the good fight of faith but those who are Christians in name only and also those who don't claim the name of Christ. The Bible says they have no fear of God before their eyes and think that God doesn't notice. (Psalm 10:11;50:21)
You state you are not gauging it by this site but this is the crowd to whom you are directing your thoughts. As far as what other churches practice, I find have enough work in the garden of mine own heart than to spend much time with the weeds growing in someone else's.
What can be seen on the internet is far worse and more easily accessible than what can be seen on tv. Yet all of us are using it.
You mentioned that you find it hypocritical that people would speak out against a sin and yet have issues in other areas of their lives. That would silence the entire church of Christ, if we had to wait until we were perfectly righteous to speak out against the evils of our day. We should strive for universal holiness in all areas of our lives, yet the Scripture states he that says he has no sin deceives himself and makes God a liar. You are welcome to the path you chose, but I am glad even the imperfect speak out against the onslaught from the LGBT crowd.
Maybe I live a sheltered life, sc. I have not noticed people who post here "winking" at immoral behavior or immodest apparal. It certainly does not happen in the church that I attend. On this site there are 187 listed sermons on modesty, 406 sermons on adultery, over 500 sermons on sexual sins (number could be much higher only the first 500 are listed), 448 sermons on proper attire, 88 on fornication, 69 on pornography, just for starters. So, you certainly couldn't say the issue is being ignored by any stretch of the imagination.
I am not sure where you draw your conclusions from that churches overlook those things of which you speak, you certainly couldn't prove it by this site. Again, I open it up to others, do they see in their churches what sc is talking about? This is not intended to be she's right/he's right issue, just trying to gauge what is the norm. Thanks.
s c wrote: God is judging other sexual deviancy and their by-products (abortion) with homosexuality. It's interesting how homosexuality will evoke such outrage while countless babies have been offered up as a sacrifice at the altar of free sex/free choice without so much as a peep. Maybe we'll figure it out.
Trying to understand your comment. You state that the countless babies have been offered up as a sacrifice at the altar of free sex/free choice without so much as a peep. It would seem like that "altar" would be abortion. That is where the confusion comes in, there is here in this forum and in every church I have ever been in a very strong voice against abortion. We see thousands marching against it Washington. (although some here decry that) Where is the sound of silence of which you speak?
Maybe it is just me, anybody else here that attends church regularly find silence on sexual sins between men and women and abortion?
Barney fife. The government is collecting record revenue. They don't have a revenue problem they have a spending problem. You have stated twice now that those making lower income, thus paying less taxes, are being supported by those who pay more. That would only be true if the government is giving them money that others earn. (legal plunder) I would venture to say most families where mom stays home to rear their children and make due with dad's salary, do not take government assitance. Under the current tax code, the bottom 50% or so wage earners only pay 3% of taxes. If you want to level that playing field, so to speak, then there must needs be a change in the tax code, not a putting to work of mothers who are homeschooling.
Social security is not secure. Even the CBO acknowledges that. Our lawmakers keep kicking the can down the road hoping the problem will go away. It won't.
If you are trying to point out that EIC is a bad idea or that the government making not working more profitable in some cases than going out and earning a living is wrong, we are in agreement. If you are saying families need to not homeschool so that mom can be out adding to the government coffiers, you would part company with most of the posters here on SA.
Media people always want the spotlight for the good things and insist on privacy when something negative comes up.
Forgiveness of sins does not mean we escape the consequences of our choices. David did his sin in secret, just like the Duggar boy, and God explicited said through Nathan that he was forgiven. But he was also told of the consequences he would face and that his sin would become open. Actions have consequences.
The way the Duggars chose to handle it was questionable, sending him away for a year (wonder if that had something to do with the statue of limitations) and then reporting him to a friend who also was an officer of the law.
It is good to be reminded that those of us who are saved by the grace of God of us are just sinners who need are in daily need of the sanctifying process in our lives. Paul believed that, yet did not hesistate to instruct a church to separate from a person caught up in sexual sin. He rebuke the Corinthians for not mourning that such was named among the saints. Did the Duggars mourn or attempt to cover up? Don't know, would not even know who they were apart from this forum. (never watched the show) Angela has made an excellent point, there needs to be concern for the victims not just the victimizer.
not sure why you seem to be espousing social security, Congress has spent the money in the so called trust fund and the CBO says it will be broke (not sure how a bunch of IOU's is solvent) in 2032. People would do MUCH better given an opportunity to invest their own money. If you are counting the cost, you are not making social security the basis for your retirement.
not sure how homeschoolers deplete the tax base. My son went to a Christian school all his days and we still were required to pay the property and sales taxes that funded his public school education.
You honestly don't make sense, by your logic, if we don't make CEO salaries then other taxpayers are supporting us. You don't seem to think they are any benefits from homeschooling. You should let the brothers and sisters who have done so testify.
The Bible says learn not the way of the heathen and blessed is the man that walks not in the counsel of the ungodly.
If Dave Ramsey says it is bad for moms to stay and home instead of being out in the workforce, he is just plain wrong in that area.
If I am misstating what you are saying, my apologies. God bless.
Prayerology wrote: .. Surely God's blessing being called for is something every Christian should desire, but I do not find a single instance in the Bible where prayer was offered over a crowd of unbelievers.
Our Lord prayed at the grave of Lazarus. Paul prayed and thanked God for the food on a ship full of unbelievers. Paul and Silas prayed in front of unbelievers in the Philippian jail. Daniel did not hide his praying from the ungodly that is why they plotted against him the way they did. Elijah prayed in front of a large crowd of unbelievers on Mt. Carmel. If God doesn't hear the prayer of the unrighteous, why did He tell Cornelius He had heard his?
That is all could think off top of my head, hope that helps
Passerby wrote: My error. The love of money is the root ... Those newspapers from which the articles are posted are money-making machines. Even though they are sometimes Christian, I hate being led to sites involuntarily, and dealing with pop ups. Jim, your silence speaks volumes. Forgive me.
Passerby wrote: Pennnny, I was not referring to Hovind. I was referring to Jim Lincoln. The inbedded links seen to always lead to endless advertising links; beckoning one to "buy, buy, invest, invest," etc...
Passerby, have enjoyed many of your posts. I certainly don't want to be guilty of putting words in your mouth. Some questions for clarification if you don't mind.
Do you realize that money is not said to be the root of all evil?
You have mentioned advertising links more than once. Are you aware that some of the links to the right of the news articles take you to a web page trying to sell you something?
How do you think people who run a website pay the bills for such?
Are you saying that websites should not have advertising links on their page?
Do you think it is wrong to make money from selling ads on a website?
Do you think Jim from Lincoln is trying to promote the things being advertised on the websites to which he refers?
Christopher000 wrote: I think they meant not open for random discussions. When I mentioned this not being an open forum, I meant on a membership level...anyone can contribute without any sort of log on which keeps anyone from truly being able to get banned. Ban a screen name and they pop in two minutes later under a new one.
My guess, Christopher, is they can block i.p. address. Each device that post has one. However, like myself, I am currently posting from home, I sometimes am able to post from work (after all work is caught up of course and no calls coming through) and on my phone. That would be 3 different i.p addresses. So, to block me they would need to block all, which they probably could do. But then I could use the wife's laptop, or go to the library, etc. I have seen my posts either be delayed or not posted, so it is not an "open" forum and they have rules they want all to follow. Alas, some people, like man of 1000 monikers or Tony Cisneros just have an agenda and post the same thing regardless of the topic at hand. I would hope our sisters who have decided to leave would come back and just pass over the offensive remarks put out by you know who.
Big Bob wrote: Well Guys, You can yap all day about what Biden said,...
"Cases have dealt with this issue. In Taylor v. Commissioner of Internal Revenue, the United States Tax Court agreed that, under section 508(c)(1) of the tax code churches do not have to apply for tax exempt status and are considered automatically exempt. But the court also stated, ‚ÄúNothing in section 508(c)(1) relieves a church from having to meet the requirements of section 501(c)(3).‚ÄĚ Basically what the Taylor court was saying is that churches are still subject to the restrictions in section 501(c)(3) of the tax code even if they never apply to the IRS for recognition of tax exempt status."
Looks like dissolving your 501c3 status, a great idea, will not matter in the eyes of the court as to the application of the law.
IMHO, the SCOTUS will continue to rule as they have every other time the issue came up because they are BIG on precedent and say it is up to the states. Having said that it is just a matter of time before other federal judges throw out the laws in the 13 states that are left with laws against "gay" marriage and in essence make it legal in all 50.
Mike wrote: Unprofitable Servant, I notice the author of the link you provided also has a good imagination,
wow, that is more than I bargained for. Just trying to show a site that was not premillinial admits the view didn't start in the 19th century as I am sure that using a pro premill site would have been disregarded by M. Doralle and others who hold his view. Apparently the guy is a Catholic pentecostal
More reliable sites that are not premillinial but show it is not a new position.
Probably due to the influence of former president Bush, the TEA party or the inadequacy of morality. Those Hawaiians don't realize a good thing when they see it, if only they had been taught common core in school this would not have happened.
I would say any included material, whether the quote was copied as in Frank's post, or someone indicated the essence of what SteveR said, like StevenR's or MB's post, it got removed so they would be no reference that would demonstrate what he had said. It was simply the purging of the digusting remark by SteveR no matter how it was alluded to. So, if your comment got deleted send a thank you note to SteveR.
The man needs our prayers, his lack of love for the brethren, which according to John 13:35 and I John 4:20 (among other passages) shows the lack of regeneration in his heart.
When you don't get information from the chicken little sites, you find that while it was a terrible disaster and we don't want to downplay that, it is not the end of world as we know it disaster they make it out to be.
John Y shows no empathy with their plight by constantly affirming that Catholics worship the one true God. The Scriptures state that one of the marks of being a believer is love for the brethren, we don't support his desire to isolate himself from the fellowship of true believers but would rather spend time with the unregenerate. Our Bible says let the redeemed of the Lord say so, and with the mouth confession is made, our Lord even warns against those who will not confess are deniers. We don't support his desire to be deceptive in his practices at the RCC and justifying it with it is nobody business. He obviously does not want to be anathematized by the RCC, again a belief in a false gospel. We don't support the insulting remarks he makes to people here calling them insane and mentally unstable because they don't hold the RCC in the same high esteem that he does.
How do we support him? We admonish him to flee the wrath to come. We share Scriptures that show him his need to seek the Lord while He may be found, and not put confidence in the flesh. If you want to support John, do so at the throne of grace that God would be pleased to lead him to a true genuine faith in our Lord Jesus Christ to whom be glory both now and forever.
To the John Y support crowd that seems to have popped up.
Those of us who you suppose are attacking John Y, for the most part, are supporting him.
We do not support him in his choices to attend a RCC and partake in Mass, think his baptism is legitimate, etc. as those are things that his church teaches you must do to be saved, and is therefore a false gospel. We do not support his assertion that Luther's acceptance of the Mass and other RCC practices but just tweaked them was due to him being led to do so by the Holy Spirit. We don't accept his belief in decisional regeneration that makes no difference in one's life practices (by his own admission he has continued his Catholicism for over 20 years after his "conversion"). We don't support his desire to marry a Catholic girl and rear his children as Roman Catholics and just hope they see the "unbiblical parts of the Mass" as he does. We don't support the idea that a person who is born again and has been taught the right ways of God by many on this forum, still chooses to walk in darkness and obey not the truth. We don't support his and SteveR assertion that Catholics are Christians. Many here were saved out of Catholicism and are grieved in their heart because their loved ones remained trapped in its clutches....