sc, if your statement about corporate America ripping off most of its customer was accurate then the foolish ones would be us for freely continuing to give them our money. If you wish, may I suggest you read up on economics from Thomas Sowell, Walter E Williams, Heritage Foundation or Hillsdale College.
Saint Elmo, first of all, stealing is not an issue of the pocketbook but of the heart. (Matt 15:19)
Second, look at your own examples, how is the auto industry, that you laud, doing? Should have gone into bankruptcy at the least if not out of business, and they are currently cutting benefits and pensions on current and former employees. Not working out too well.
But let us play out your scenario, and give them a $20 an hour raise to baggage workers. (btw the way if proverty leads to stealing, why are thefts higher now than they were in the 1930's?) That comes to $3200 more a month per worker. The airlines would be forced to raise fares significantly to cover the cost. That would inevitably lead to fewer people buying tickets. The airline would need to layoff workers to reflect the diminished demand and now our baggage worker is on unemployment making much less than $10 an hour. That not even mentioning the other areas of the economy that would be negatively impacted.
pennned wrote: Brother US, it looks like they are making a decision on this very thing this summer. As one who is of working class age, it is so much more than the issue of marriage, which is enormous, its also our social welfare systems being run by these groups, there's certain work areas even today where they are trying to scout out the antigays and get them into trouble, even certain jobs have required people to verbally give support to these groups. A lot of it doesn't make the mainstream news, so I always figure communicating between the generations is a healthy thing. The Lord's blessings to you and yours.
Thanks, pennned, and may God also add His blessings to you and yours.
The Supreme Court has consistently sent the issue back to the states. They would surprise me if they had a Roe v Wade type decision on this. That being said it won't be too much longer before liberal judges will overturn all state laws that ban "gay" marriages. The good news is then we will not have to put up with the inadequacy of morality.
Memories Pizza fund raising was helped by large audiences of conservative talk show hosts who shared the issue. Lots of people, not necessarily Christians, donated to their cause. They receive about $800,000,
Mr. Beck needs to do his research. From ONE of many websites set up to aid the persecuted brethren in their most recent data they received nearly $39 million dollars. Who would you say got more help? Agree with brother/sister sc's statement.
There is a huge need for us to be more aware of the plight of our persecuted brethren as Mourner said and uphold them before the throne of grace.
John UK wrote: US, you have posted two very good posts on this subject...
thanks for your kind words John UK
It seems, brother, that my latest "spiritual gift" is the ability to upset people either mildly or mightly (one guy wanted to beat on me and I think pennned threatened to body slam me, not sure about the latter ) Because it is multiple people over multiple threads, then the problem is with me.
The Bible says that the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy (James 3:17) so I need to wrok on being more contemplative, courteous, and clear in the way I post things. I need to word things not only more carefully but prayerfully.
If it was not for churches this site would not exist. So, even the many benefits that we enjoy here are because of believers who gather under the ministry of men called by God to equip saints for the ministry.
I stated my thoughts and the verses that I believe backed them up. That is my understanding of what the Scriptures teach. If you don't share that, it is between you and God and He is the One to whom you will give account. I would be the first to agree that brother Frank is a big blessing. I agree that in many congregations people live shallow Christian lives, but I am just as they are, a sinner saved by grace seeking God.
In general, if those who enjoy more intimate fellowship with God and are taught in the Word leave the church because of the few in number who share in their God given desires and hungers, is it no wonder the churches are weak in the faith?
I also enjoy the fellowship offered here and do not mean to diminish its importance or significance.
Thanks again for your response sister ladybug and nowhere in my post did I imply or say you should suck it up and be a part of profane worship.
First, I would say if all the churches in your area are apostate and/or teachers of false doctrine, etc. then I would say you are Providentially hindered. You should know I don't advocate John Y going to his false church.
The vast majority of those who choose not to go to church are probably not in this or a similar forum where they can share in the one another commands they way you are now doing. The Bible speaks of Pastors, elders, deacons, evangelist given to the church to equipment the saints, it is only the modern age that lets you do that without leaving your house. If you read the book of Acts they gathered together for worship and learning. Do you think that God made a mistake when He put Paul in the ministry of church planting and ordaining elders in every city? Do you think that Peter was wrong to use the analogy for the church pastor of a shepherd over a flock of sheep?
Thank God for modern technology, thank God for the good brothers and sisters like yourself that post in this forum. I get to listen to sermons and read Christian books on a mp3 player that was unheard of when i was growing up. I am sure many sermons found here on SA are more edifying than what you might find randomly at a given church.
Dissenter wrote: If the weapons of our warfare are not carnal,...So why vote?
The warfare spoken of in the passage to which you refer is referring to our thoughts and imaginations not our politicians.
We live by Bible principles. The Scripture say therefore to him that knows to good and does not do it, to him it is sin. The Bible says as you have opportunity to do good and it is within our power to do it, we are to exercise ourselves to be helping others especially the household of faith. What we do for the brethren we do for the Lord. Our vote can be an instrument to put people in positions of authority who believe in limited government and laws that are a solace to good and a terror to evil.
Our hope is not in political parties or their members, it is in the Lord working all things out for our good and His glory. Our eyes look to the Lord from where we get our help. That does not mean we do not act. The wall builders in Nehemiah's day looked to God for safety but had their swords girded by them. David said the battle is the Lord's but also picked up 5 stones for his sling.
Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind, so do as the Lord leads, but I would say Christians should vote.
the greek word translated church clearly speaks of assembling. The verse in Hebrews talks about not forsaking the assembling of yourselves TOGETHER. You are right it does not say it has to be in a building labeled a church. In I Corinthians 11 when Paul talked about the Lord's supper he said when you come together. (11:33) Pastor are commanded to feed the FLOCK. (I Peter 5:2)
There are many one another commands in the N.T.
care for one another I Cor. 12:25 love one another John 13:35 confess your faults to one another James 5:16 have compassion on one another I Peter 3:8 use hospitality one to another I Peter 4:9 minister to one another I Peter 4:10 fellowship with one another I John 1:7 Pray for one another James 5:16
just to name a few. We are to lift up the hands which hang down an strengthen the feeble knees and comfort each other with the comfort God has given us.
John Y is incorrect, I have never said church membership is necessary for salvation, it is his way of deflecting the issue. But I would say that unless we are Providentially hindered we should attend a local congregation. Our Lord's last admonitions in Scripture were to seven churches, not individuals who never meet together.
That is how I see it per the Scriptures. Open to comment.
NB wrote: Newsflash- when you enroll your kids in a govt school ( or any other activity, trip, camp, etc..), you are giving up your authority over your children during the scheduled hours of that institution. You have no control over how or what they are taught, exposed to, or disciplined.
Actually, you are paying for the product and the teachers are operating in your stead so you definitely have a say in what they are taught, exposed to and how they are disciplined. If there are any teachers who post they will tell you that they must listen to parental complaints. Problem is most parents just see it as free (it is not free) babysitting so they don't care about the subject matter that is taught.
Christian wrote: B Would we rise up in protest if children were told to write from a Christian's point of view? I think not.
I am glad you want to strengthen your convictions for the truth and be informed.
But to answer your question, I would protest such an assignment (really my kid wouldn't be in a public school but that is another issue). The world doesn't understand what it is to be a Christian because their eyes are blinded to the truth. I really don't want inaccuracies about my precious faith being "shared" with the class.
Will you share the same thoughts about learning to understand a point of view when the school's assignment is pretend you are a transgender? (you know that is coming) Think it over and give back your thoughts if you wish, thanks
John Yurich USA wrote: I don't believe outside the RCC there is no salvation, I don't believe the Sacraments have anything to do with salvation(I believe the Sacraments are just church ceremonies dealing with various stages in life) and I don't believe the Mass is a sacrifice. Since nowhere in the Bible is church attendance/membership mentioned as being required for salvation and entering Heaven then the church that one attends is unimportant as far as salvation and entering Heaven is concerned. I have never stated I tolerate the unscriptural RCC doctrines and the unscriptural parts to the Mass. I reject and repudiate the unscriptural RCC doctrines and the unscriptural parts to the Mass. Mike NY, Luther did not believe in Purgagory.
thanks for your response. You participate in the Mass and the one who defines what it is the administrator of it not the participant.
Would you be so kind as to share how the Holy Spirit showed you the unscriptural "parts" of the mass, thanks.
John Yurich USA wrote: 1. The only Sacrament I receive in the Catholic Church is Holy Communion I defend the scriptural parts to the Mass.
2. that Jesus will not look at the church that one attended .
1. There is a reason John Yurich continues his RCC membership and partaking of the mass.
"Outside the Church there is no salvation" (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus).
Since the sacraments are the ordinary means through which Christ offers the grace necessary for salvation, and the Catholic Church that Christ established is the ordinary minister of those sacraments, it is appropriate to state that salvation comes through the Church.
The Catholic Church also teaches that the mass is a necessary part of salvation as it is the ongoing work of the cross. Vatican II stated: âAs often as the sacrifice of the cross by which âChrist our Pasch is sacrificedâ (1 Cor. 5:7) is celebrated on the altar, the work of our redemption is carried outâ (Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, Chapter 1, 3, p. 324).
(from various Catholic websites)
2.Only you have said where you attend church is unimportant. No one born from above would tolerate the assault from their church on their precious Lord Jesus and His Word but you have no issue, just mental gyration
Dolores wrote: Well, Jim, if it makes you feel better, I do pray for our leaders to be guided into making decisions for the good of the country just as we are told to do by Paul and that was when they were under the rule of Nero. They did have to hide away in Catacombs at times. I thought my friends nickname would be fun to remember when he is no longer sitting President or standing golf player or at his desk with his powerful pen. Blessings Jim, no offense intended.
Hey Dolores, if you believe that in conversations with his political buddies during the Bush administration that Jim from Lincoln never spoke anything against or bad about President Bush or his policies, I have some great land in Florida for sale (wink wink)
Jim Lincoln wrote: UPS, it's another meaningless political gesture. It's a waste of time,
Sorry my current schedule does not permit lengthy discussions, if you don't think it was a good idea for the TN legislature to have a bill to acknowledge the Book of books as their state book, so be it. With all the stories we see about the degradation around us, I am glad to see a positive story.
They voted for the Bible to be the official state book. Nothing in the bill was said about the plan of redemption. Nothing in the bill was said about subjugation of the people of TN to it. Nothing in the bill was mentioned about the transitory nature of life. No one suggested that it was to be considered a good luck charm for the state. No one said that all the people in the great state of Tennessee were now more spiritual. No one said that they were intending to set up a state sponsored religion because of it. Nothing was advocating setting up a Christian state. They just said it would be considered their official state book. (which apparently will not happen per JL link)
Y'all are complaining because of that???? Would you rather they chose the Koran, the book of Mormon or a book by Madelin Murray O'Hare?
They wanted to honor the Bible as their state book, seems like a good move to me. Maybe it will encourage people to pick it up and read it.
We live in a secular world. Things are going from bad to worse, in case you had not noticed. The state has a religion, it is called secular humanism.
I believe we should be glad that they wanted to honor the Bible.
John Yurich USA wrote: There probably are church members who never communicate with their pastor about anything let alone their beliefs.
Name one church that allows you to be a MEMBER without you communicating your faith to them, other than WCF churches that say that babies are Christians. You are in your 50's so you can't use that one anyway. You have been a RCC all your life, you KNOW you STATED your belief in the RCC when you were growing up.
John Yurich USA wrote: If the RCC is not cognizant of my beliefs then I am not considered a heretic by the RCC. It is no business of the RCC what my beliefs are. Just as if I were to attend an Evangelical Church it would be no business of the minister what my beliefs are. My beliefs are no business of any clergy member.
so when the RCC describe the people who are heretics, they named the people? or did they make a generic statement that covered everybody who held beliefs that they consider anathema. If you fit the definition, then regardless of whether it is known to the RCC you are still fit their definition of the heretic. When one says if the eyes of RCC you are considered a heretic, it is due to your belief system not your name or whether you made it known to the RCC. They consider thousands who hold Protestant beliefs as heretics without them knowing who they are, just based upon their belief system. If the shoe fits wear it.