SteveR wrote: The findings of a Congressional Investigation into an election is hardly 'propaganda.' Using that fake oath for wicked purposes is worse than propaganda, as propaganda is a distortion of truth. That fake oath was found not to be a distortion, but an out and out fabrication. Its stunning to witness so many professing Christians willing to repeat the ridiculous libelous lie
I would tend to agree with he is quoting Catholics, here is the link for SteveR 12/10/13 3:10 PM comment, it is a Catholic site (don't take my word for it look it up, there is a reason SteveR didn't quote sources)
It can also be found in the book entitled, "Subterranean Rome" by Charles Didier translated from the French and published in New York in 1843.
In fact in going through several pages of Google search the ONLY sites that claim it is false, are Catholic sites. So, we are in essence taking the word of a Catholic site that the oath was debunked. Sure, that makes sense.
Unless SteveR can gives the link to the Congressional Record page that they site.
Neil, not sure why you keep giving 1517 a hard time. He has been a true gentleman in this discussion. Your points are well taken, but from the article:
"But now a team says that this way of speaking is becoming more frequent among men.
The findings were presented at the Meeting of the Acoustical Society of America in California.
"We found use of uptalk in ALL OUR SPEAKERS, despite their diverse backgrounds in socioeconomic status, ethnicity, bilingualism and gender," said Amanda Ritchart, a linguist at the University of California who led the research.
"We believe that uptalk is becoming more prevalent and systematic in its use for the younger generations in Southern California," she added."
It doesn't say that this is they way NORMALLY speak, which is what you are talking about, it is saying they are adopting this style of talking (which is why they made a point about happening in such diverse groups), which is 1517's point. He is obviously objecting to people taking on the mannerism of the homosexual community and trying to make them the norm. I know you don't support that. But again your points are well taken, some people are just wired that way and it has nothing to do with their lifestyle choice.
Castro's right hand wrote: It was not invented by his wife, but yes she did support it and endorse it. Nelson Mandela did not. He was deliberately isolated in prison by the government and tightly restricted in his communications with the outside world. As for being a terrorist, his targets were economic. The USA was founded by means of terrorism.
apt moniker, both he and you both spreading propaganda
Jim Lincoln wrote: Well, Mike of N.Y., I should have taken a breath, if I messed up a URL, to make it hard to find a URL, such as, the Conservative Origins of Obamacare...
Jim, please explain how a plan that was advocated by Jimmy Carter, Edward Kennedy, Hubert Humphrey, etc. in 1976 is some how the brain child of the republicans 13 years later? But alas apparently we did not go back far enough to its democratic (progressive) roots. The following is from a speech better than a decade before Obamacare given by a group that favored universal health via the government. They readily acknowledge its democratic roots.
Jim Lincoln wrote: ... UPS, did you read the pros- and cons- URL . ..
I did, thanks for asking. The thing is the cons were mainly like this.
Get our new fangled vacuum cleaner.
1. Cleans faster 2. Picks up more dirt. 3. Uses less electricity.
1. You will take longer to clean if you don't buy it. 2. Your floor will be dirtier after using your current vacuum than it would be if you used ours. 3. Your electric bill will be higher if you continue with your current vacuum cleaner.
So, for the most part the cons (maybe except for 3 and 5) were just pro common core stuff, they were really saying common core standards cause children to learn quicker, increase their thinking skills, etc.
The reality is the measuring of the standard of learning is much more subjective. i.e. it is not as important that they have the right answer as discovering the process they use to come up with that answer. The few education people they used didn't sign off of the final product. Common core makes no child behind look good. (btw, that was given by president Bush to Edward Kennedy to draft, so still a democratic idea)
NYT(your favorite newspaper), April 16th, 1976 (pay close attention to the year) by Robert Reinhold.
"WASHINGTON, April 16 Jimmy Carter said today that he favored nationwide mandatory health insurance to be financed through employer and payroll taxes as well as general tax revenues."
Seems like it favored a Kennedy-Corman health security plan favored by Humphrey, Jackson and Udall all democrats.(from documented Wikipedia article on Jimmy Carter)
Again, my friend TELL ME HOW IF JIMMY CARTER AND EDWARD KENNEDY SUPPORTED THE PLAN IN 1976. it originated with Republicans 13 years (or how every many you want) later? (a plan they have since repudiated, where do we see ANY democrat repudiating Obamacare--of course some will during next years elections)
Besides, like GS said, it doesn't matter if the reverse of what happened was true and all Republicans voted for it and all democrats opposed, it is a BAD plan. Yet the TRUTH is NO REPUBLICAN voted for Obamacare, and it originated with the dems. It is a democrat plan, you can take ALL the credit for its success and failures. Besides your an independent what do you care if the dems get blamed for Obamacare?
I would be reluctant to say that a verse written in Jeremiah about 2 millennium before there was such thing as a Christmas tree, applies aptly to it. Not defending Christmas trees, just they are not the object of worship or affixed with hammers. I think if we are going to rightly divide the word of truth, we should not be saying Jeremiah 10 speaks against Christmas trees. What think ye?
As to the birth of our Lord, I believe it should be a cause for daily thanksgiving. We should ever be thankful that the Creator of the whole universe, adored in heaven by seraphims and worshiped by the saints, would leave its glory and splendor and take upon Him the restrictions and limitations of human flesh. That He would voluntarily subject the free exercise of His divine attributes to His Father and live for over 33 years among the rebels of humanity. He suffered under manifold temptations, weariness, hungry, thirst, grief, sorrow, and much more. He was beaten, afflicted, mocked, spit upon, betrayed, and crucified but always kept the goal and joy of redeeming His sheep at the forefront of all He endured. He who knew no sin became my sin substitute because He willing became a babe in Bethlehem. May God give us grace to be ever thankful to Him for His unspeakable gift.
John for JESUS wrote: Unprofitable Servant... I will go look at those websites but did you not read anything I posted? ..
Hey J4J, my apologies, I was not trying to ignore the Scripture you put out. The reason I did not respond to them is because I do believe that a person's faith (as God's gift to them) is not considered a work of salvation. You and I seem to differ on the source of faith. But I was going through your previous post because you referenced something you had said, but I did not remember. I then realized, my bad, that I missed the fact that we actually agree.
News Item12/4/13 12:21 PM John for JESUS | Atl --- (last sentence)
The ability to believe comes from God, is excercised by man, and results in God saving them.
Glad we cleared that up.
John UK, I loved your stories of the missionaries and wonder why there was no response from the Presbies, but then I realized, the truth of the point has just ate them up.
Jim, that would be a misnomer,they should replace the A with ME (more expensive) Reposting an early entry on this topic
Here is a video of students at historically black college who's $50 a semester plan got cancelled by ACA and now they are facing $3,000 a year policies, one student's answer to what will they do now was, "I guess don't get sick."
HHS sent out memo to insurance commissioners that ACA plans, even with subsidies, in many cases would be more expensive than people's current coverage
ACA website tries to hide the cost of the plan for which you have to sign up.
Leading accounting and actuarial firms â€“ Oliver Wyman, PriceWaterhouseCoopers, Hay Group, and Milliman â€“ issued reports estimating the Presidentâ€™s health care plan would increase premiums up to 60 percent.
CBO estimated families buying coverage on their own (in the individual market) would see premium costs increase 10 to 13 percent â€“ a $2,100 annual INCREASE due to the health care law. The same CBO analysis also predicted premiums would rise by 27 to 30 percent because the health care law requires Americans to buy more expensive benefit packages.
John for JESUS wrote: UNprofitable Servant...(12/5@7:46pm) Okay, I will play your game...).
J4J, I am not trying to play games with you, so I am not sure why you said that. I will leave these two websites for your consideration. If you can't see that it takes an act of supernatural intervention for a blind man to be able to see or a dead man to have life, then so be it. There is a reasons those analogies were used by the apostle.
J4J, remember I said you need to separate your anti-Calvinist thinking from this matter. You have stated that people exercise faith out of their own rational brains. We have shown you from Scripture that that is not possible and for all intense and purpose that is a work of righteousness which I have done (it comes from my rational brain) and again Titus 3:5 is clear that is not salvation. Your argument is not with me, it is not with Calvinism, it is with the Bible. When it says of natural man dealing with spiritual things (we all agree that salvation is spiritual) that neither CAN he know them. You are choosing to ignore the Scripture that says no man can do anything unless it were given him of God, that would include the ability to believe. The Scriptural pattern is not man seeking God, but God seeking man. Adam hid, the shepherd went after the one lost sheep, the Lord came to seek and to save. You are choosing to negate the Scriptures that tell us that the Spirit gives life and the flesh (man's rational brain) has NO profit. You seem to think that regeneration preceding faith is God forcing His way on a person who really wishes to reject Him. Even if that were so, then so what, there is a reason we call him God. (Romans 9:14-21)
Jimbo, when are you going to learn, we conservatives don't care what liberal left sites like the Daily Beast think of us or value their advise. When you start, like they do, with an inaccurate premise you reach an inaccurate conclusion. It is not our fault you are jealous of the effectiveness of the tea party and wish they would go away. That is all we have ever heard from the left how the tea party is a transient fringe group that is going the way of all flesh. What they don't explain is why they are still having to write about them, and really if they are so insignificant that they don't matter, why do you bother to give them publicity? Taxed Enough Already, sounds good to me, it is YOUR guys who are taxing the middle class and the poor (mainly through ACA taxes--remember they kicked back when the law was passed nearly 4 years ago, also they have passed (mainly through executive fiat) many other ways to lower incomes and create dependency. It is your guys that want to nearly double the gas tax (that will make prices rise across the board,also hurting the poor and middle class) It is your guys that want to raise the minimum wage putting the working poor out of work and increasing prices. (unions LOVE minimum wage to go up, helps eliminate competition)
Ahhh, thanks, and I quote. J4J, maybe we are saying the same thing but timing is different. In order for us to be on the same page you need to throw out your anti-Calvinistic thinking. (if you want to be an anti-Calvinist that is your choice but we can't let it cloud this issue)
1. Someone unregenerate hears the gospel 2. The Spirit quickens them to life so they see their need of Christ, grants them repentance and faith. 3. THEY EXERCISE that faith and call upon the name of the Lord for salvation.
Note, no forcing, they call, but the enablement FOR THEM TO CALL came from the Spirit. The verses that support this have been given several times already.
You have already acknowledge men need the Lord's help to be saved. Will not address what and I quote said at this point.
Wesliy wrote: This article is inappropriate on a Christian site. SermonAudio has a duty to protect its listeners from this filth. If they refuse to remove it, they are breaking the 7th command.
Did you read the article?
From the article
Christian leaders and churches have been issuing dire warnings about the dangers of porn addiction for quite some time. While many of these critiques have been faith-based in nature, a new study and an accompanying infographic provide a statistical look at the impact of Internet porn â€” and the potential benefits that could come from giving it up.
Seeing that view pornography could be violation of the 7th commandment and the article talks about giving it up, it seems like an encouragement to obey the 7th commandment not a violation of it.