NYT(your favorite newspaper), April 16th, 1976 (pay close attention to the year) by Robert Reinhold.
"WASHINGTON, April 16 Jimmy Carter said today that he favored nationwide mandatory health insurance to be financed through employer and payroll taxes as well as general tax revenues."
Seems like it favored a Kennedy-Corman health security plan favored by Humphrey, Jackson and Udall all democrats.(from documented Wikipedia article on Jimmy Carter)
Again, my friend TELL ME HOW IF JIMMY CARTER AND EDWARD KENNEDY SUPPORTED THE PLAN IN 1976. it originated with Republicans 13 years (or how every many you want) later? (a plan they have since repudiated, where do we see ANY democrat repudiating Obamacare--of course some will during next years elections)
Besides, like GS said, it doesn't matter if the reverse of what happened was true and all Republicans voted for it and all democrats opposed, it is a BAD plan. Yet the TRUTH is NO REPUBLICAN voted for Obamacare, and it originated with the dems. It is a democrat plan, you can take ALL the credit for its success and failures. Besides your an independent what do you care if the dems get blamed for Obamacare?
I would be reluctant to say that a verse written in Jeremiah about 2 millennium before there was such thing as a Christmas tree, applies aptly to it. Not defending Christmas trees, just they are not the object of worship or affixed with hammers. I think if we are going to rightly divide the word of truth, we should not be saying Jeremiah 10 speaks against Christmas trees. What think ye?
As to the birth of our Lord, I believe it should be a cause for daily thanksgiving. We should ever be thankful that the Creator of the whole universe, adored in heaven by seraphims and worshiped by the saints, would leave its glory and splendor and take upon Him the restrictions and limitations of human flesh. That He would voluntarily subject the free exercise of His divine attributes to His Father and live for over 33 years among the rebels of humanity. He suffered under manifold temptations, weariness, hungry, thirst, grief, sorrow, and much more. He was beaten, afflicted, mocked, spit upon, betrayed, and crucified but always kept the goal and joy of redeeming His sheep at the forefront of all He endured. He who knew no sin became my sin substitute because He willing became a babe in Bethlehem. May God give us grace to be ever thankful to Him for His unspeakable gift.
John for JESUS wrote: Unprofitable Servant... I will go look at those websites but did you not read anything I posted? ..
Hey J4J, my apologies, I was not trying to ignore the Scripture you put out. The reason I did not respond to them is because I do believe that a person's faith (as God's gift to them) is not considered a work of salvation. You and I seem to differ on the source of faith. But I was going through your previous post because you referenced something you had said, but I did not remember. I then realized, my bad, that I missed the fact that we actually agree.
News Item12/4/13 12:21 PM John for JESUS | Atl --- (last sentence)
The ability to believe comes from God, is excercised by man, and results in God saving them.
Glad we cleared that up.
John UK, I loved your stories of the missionaries and wonder why there was no response from the Presbies, but then I realized, the truth of the point has just ate them up.
Jim, that would be a misnomer,they should replace the A with ME (more expensive) Reposting an early entry on this topic
Here is a video of students at historically black college who's $50 a semester plan got cancelled by ACA and now they are facing $3,000 a year policies, one student's answer to what will they do now was, "I guess don't get sick."
HHS sent out memo to insurance commissioners that ACA plans, even with subsidies, in many cases would be more expensive than people's current coverage
ACA website tries to hide the cost of the plan for which you have to sign up.
Leading accounting and actuarial firms â€“ Oliver Wyman, PriceWaterhouseCoopers, Hay Group, and Milliman â€“ issued reports estimating the Presidentâ€™s health care plan would increase premiums up to 60 percent.
CBO estimated families buying coverage on their own (in the individual market) would see premium costs increase 10 to 13 percent â€“ a $2,100 annual INCREASE due to the health care law. The same CBO analysis also predicted premiums would rise by 27 to 30 percent because the health care law requires Americans to buy more expensive benefit packages.
John for JESUS wrote: UNprofitable Servant...(12/5@7:46pm) Okay, I will play your game...).
J4J, I am not trying to play games with you, so I am not sure why you said that. I will leave these two websites for your consideration. If you can't see that it takes an act of supernatural intervention for a blind man to be able to see or a dead man to have life, then so be it. There is a reasons those analogies were used by the apostle.
J4J, remember I said you need to separate your anti-Calvinist thinking from this matter. You have stated that people exercise faith out of their own rational brains. We have shown you from Scripture that that is not possible and for all intense and purpose that is a work of righteousness which I have done (it comes from my rational brain) and again Titus 3:5 is clear that is not salvation. Your argument is not with me, it is not with Calvinism, it is with the Bible. When it says of natural man dealing with spiritual things (we all agree that salvation is spiritual) that neither CAN he know them. You are choosing to ignore the Scripture that says no man can do anything unless it were given him of God, that would include the ability to believe. The Scriptural pattern is not man seeking God, but God seeking man. Adam hid, the shepherd went after the one lost sheep, the Lord came to seek and to save. You are choosing to negate the Scriptures that tell us that the Spirit gives life and the flesh (man's rational brain) has NO profit. You seem to think that regeneration preceding faith is God forcing His way on a person who really wishes to reject Him. Even if that were so, then so what, there is a reason we call him God. (Romans 9:14-21)
Jimbo, when are you going to learn, we conservatives don't care what liberal left sites like the Daily Beast think of us or value their advise. When you start, like they do, with an inaccurate premise you reach an inaccurate conclusion. It is not our fault you are jealous of the effectiveness of the tea party and wish they would go away. That is all we have ever heard from the left how the tea party is a transient fringe group that is going the way of all flesh. What they don't explain is why they are still having to write about them, and really if they are so insignificant that they don't matter, why do you bother to give them publicity? Taxed Enough Already, sounds good to me, it is YOUR guys who are taxing the middle class and the poor (mainly through ACA taxes--remember they kicked back when the law was passed nearly 4 years ago, also they have passed (mainly through executive fiat) many other ways to lower incomes and create dependency. It is your guys that want to nearly double the gas tax (that will make prices rise across the board,also hurting the poor and middle class) It is your guys that want to raise the minimum wage putting the working poor out of work and increasing prices. (unions LOVE minimum wage to go up, helps eliminate competition)
Ahhh, thanks, and I quote. J4J, maybe we are saying the same thing but timing is different. In order for us to be on the same page you need to throw out your anti-Calvinistic thinking. (if you want to be an anti-Calvinist that is your choice but we can't let it cloud this issue)
1. Someone unregenerate hears the gospel 2. The Spirit quickens them to life so they see their need of Christ, grants them repentance and faith. 3. THEY EXERCISE that faith and call upon the name of the Lord for salvation.
Note, no forcing, they call, but the enablement FOR THEM TO CALL came from the Spirit. The verses that support this have been given several times already.
You have already acknowledge men need the Lord's help to be saved. Will not address what and I quote said at this point.
Wesliy wrote: This article is inappropriate on a Christian site. SermonAudio has a duty to protect its listeners from this filth. If they refuse to remove it, they are breaking the 7th command.
Did you read the article?
From the article
Christian leaders and churches have been issuing dire warnings about the dangers of porn addiction for quite some time. While many of these critiques have been faith-based in nature, a new study and an accompanying infographic provide a statistical look at the impact of Internet porn â€” and the potential benefits that could come from giving it up.
Seeing that view pornography could be violation of the 7th commandment and the article talks about giving it up, it seems like an encouragement to obey the 7th commandment not a violation of it.
J4J, look again through the thread and find some where besides your post some one saying God forces people to believe. Nobody denies that unbelievers reject Christ like the Jews you mentioned in Luke 19. You have now acknowledge believers could not believe in Jesus without His help. That is what we are saying. A person is not brought kicking and screaming to faith in Christ. Look at Paul, he was breathing out threatenings against the church. He was on his way to persecute it. Did God FORCE him to reluctantly repent? No, it was with lovingkindness that He drew him, it was hard for Paul to continue to kick against the pricks. He had heard the truth from Stephen and doubtless other believers, but it was not until God opened the eyes of his understanding did he become a believer. Even Paul said he was separated unto his work before he was born. You have yet to say directly from where you think the faith that is exercised by the sinner comes or what makes it effectual. Remember the flesh profits NOTHING it is the SPIRIT that gives life. (John 6:63) Salvation is not a mere mental asset to a group of truths. It is a divine transformation, an infusion of life from above. What did the Lord say of Peter's confession, flesh and blood has not revealed this unto you.
Ken Welsch wrote: It's about time blood donations were based on science and facts rather than hysteria and moral panics. Seems simple enough: look at the evidence, determine whether or not donations by gay men could be made safely and effectively, and enact policy based on facts. Unless someone disputes observable, reproducible facts, there's no logical reason to oppose addressing this possible source of a better blood supply, and possibly stop unnecessary discrimination.
from the CDC (http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/)
"Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) are more severely affected by HIV than any other group in the United States"
So, I am at a loss how you could say it is based on hysteria and moral panics, you don't think the CDC has observable, reproducible facts???
You think we should risk infecting innocent people with AIDS just to make a politically correct statement?
Actions have consequences. If you choose to participate in a risky behavior then you have to suffer the consequences of your choice, one of which is you cannot donate blood. There are other groups that cannot donate blood, like if you are pregnant.
That is what we love about Jim, somehow showing people the truth about their coverage at a DIFFERENT website than the healthcare site and being honest about the cost IS equivalant or WORSE than advising people to lie on their federal forms or using private information fraudualently to help political parties. If this was happening under the previous president, Jim would crying foul loud and clear, but it is his party and president of choice. So, it is see no evil, hear to evil and see no evil. It is what independents do.
at a loss how you are saying Baptist are changing the Greek word.
it interesting to note that the GREEK orthodox church, which baptizes babies practices immersion, why, because they know the word means to immerse.
Can you not get this? It is YOU who are trying to change the meaning of the word to match your beliefs. It seems like a better practice would be to make my beliefs match Scripture and where Scripture and my beliefs differ that I change my beliefs, not vise versa.
Plus you keep making up history to match your beliefs. Also, we note the false accusations. But one thing I have learned, your motto is don't confuse me with the facts. (except for 1517)
note your refusal to answer questions from John UK and Luker
Note you NEVER gave GS a single verse that supports infant baptism.
Note you cannot find any place in the Bible that says that baptism replaced circumcision. Did Peter say that, no; Paul,no; James, no; John, no; Jude, no; anywhere in the 4 gospels or Acts, no; the book of Hebrews, no, wait that covers the entire NT. Maybe it is in the OT in verses about the New Covenant, oops not there either
1517 wrote: Unprofitable Servant, ... What are your thoughts?
Hey 1517, thanks for your response. Appreciate you. The subject of the covenant of Grace is something I have not given a lot of thought to since I did my research on it nearly 30 years ago. I believer Luker has a pertinent question. I appreciate your emphasis on the fact that one must be quickened so we are on the same page. I don't see the church as the replacement for Israel so I don't see baptism as the replacement for circumcision. I do believe we here in the West don't fully appreciate what the ordinance means. If we were in the middle east or lived back in Biblical times there would be a realization that taking that public stand for Christ could cost us our lives and we would be counting the cost. (Luke 14:26-35) Even when you read authors like Spurgeon and his contemporaries you see the seriousness they placed on both ordinances and people living up to their meaning.
J4J, your #2 response went over my head. your number 5 answer contradicts what you say you believe, but will ask again the question you did not answer, Where do you believe that people GET the faith they use to obey the gospel?
Seems like trust would be basic to dealing with anyone or thing here on this earth. We trust that when we sit in a chair it will support us. We trust that when we turn the key the car will start. We trust when we reach down to pet our neighbors dog that it won't bite us. We trust that the store owner has marked his prices correctly. We trust that the postman isn't stealing our mail. We trust the restaurant is cooking our food correctly. We trust that the used car salesman isn't fudging on the truth. etc., etc.
The amount of trust is what is at issue, and our fellow human beings are giving us many reasons to be skeptical. I remember when we moved to this area nearly 30 years ago. People didn't lock their doors, they left their keys in their vehicles (even the fancy new ones) and nobody met a stranger. (although more than likely nobody stranger than I) Coming from the Chicago area this was quite a culture shock. That has all changed, people don't leave houses unlocked and keys in cars. The Scripture (II Timothy 3:13) says the will go from bad to worse, just another sign we are in the end times.
Shane, we are all in your shoes, by the grace of God will be keeping you and others in our prayers.
John Yurich USA wrote: I never even heard of Coontz before today. Speaking of television ministers. Anybody remember television minister Robert Tilton? The one thing I remember about Tilton is that he used to put his finger in his ear for some reason.
Looks like ABC exposed this false WOF prophet for the fraud that he is.
So we see the paedobaptist, just like GS stated, have NO verses that back up infant baptism, just speculation like SteveR posted. They have NO history to back them up, been proven over and over again in discussion on this topic, and NO explanation as to how the clear meaning of the word transliterated baptizo (couldn't translate it as it would have shown their practice to be wrong) still means to immerse. NO explanation for Acts 8:34-39 or Acts 2:41. NO explanation that something so needful for salvation is rarely addressed in the Pauline epistles and not found in the Pastoral epistles at all. They base their whole theology of false speculation and mock those who don't believe in their fairy tales as not being able to read the Bible, instead answering his question. Even the guy they claim to follow (Calvin) acknowledges the early church practiced immersion.
It is no wonder you get people like J4J pushing his view of salvation when you look at the alternative of saying that grace is imparted through the work of infant baptism. Really?? and all the circumcised were believers then, how do you explain the non-believing Jews who had our Lord crucified if the sign leads to salvation? Simeon, Anna,Elizabeth John,Mary,and Joseph are but a partial list of believing Jews.
John for JESUS wrote: Maybe I elaborated to much, let me try again! ..
They won't see the truth for salvation in the preaching because they are blind!! The gospel is HID to them (II Cor.4) They won't hear and be converted because they are spiritually dead. They cannot believe apart from a work of the Spirit because the BIBLE says neither CAN they know them. (II Cor 2)Why do sinners call upon the Lord for salvation, it because the Holy Spirit has convicted them of sin, because He granted them repentance and faith. These have all been proven in previous post. Why is this so hard for you to see? If faith precedes regeneration then the devils in James 2 are saved, because they are said to have believed. Why do you think you have to exalt man in salvation? If the faith is self produce then it is a work of righteousness that I HAVE DONE, see how that stacks up with Titus 3:5. Look at your own example of the seed. One waters one plants BUT GOD GIVES THE INCREASE. Don't let you anti-Calvinistic stance stop you from understanding the truth of Scripture concerning being born from above.
Where do you believe that people GET the faith they use to obey the gospel?