Lurker wrote: It's not? I do? Does anyone else besides me have a problem understanding the following? From the same article by Dennis Kastens "Yes, we baptize babies. Unmistakably Scriptural proof substantiates that doctrine. Christian history, unbroken and uninterrupted. reflects such practice in each generation. Conscientious Christians do not delay but hasten with their children to Baptism that they may received the gift of salvation and regeneration and gratefully embrace the Apostle‚Äôs affirmation extended to those of all age groups: "For as many of you as have been baptized have put on Christ" (Galatians 3: 27)."
Sure, it means, and you can quote me, At least this fellow is honest enough to confess that infant baptism imparts salvation and regeneration by the putting on of Christ.
"By You I have been upheld from birth; You are He who took me out of my mother‚Äôs womb. My praise shall be continually of You.
Looks like the psalmist view God as His sustainer from birth might have made the same statement.
Well let us see, certainly we will find a statement from Polycarp stating he was baptized as an infant.....
Oops, he NEVER said that. So, then with the same authority that the padeobaptist say he was baptized as an infant, I say he was baptized as a young adult and all his family were baptized after they were born again upon public profession of their faith. If it was good enough for the apostle John it was good enough for his followers.
And SteveR, yes you did seem to miss the point that the RCC priest with his own agenda is NOT a reliable source.
The discussion gets old as it goes nowhere, those who believe that somehow a person can be born again and still walk in darkness, a direct contradiction of I John 1, claim we have saved people in a false religion. No amount of reasoning from the Scripture or exhortation, whether given out in an abrasive or non-abrasive fashion, seems to make a difference. You may not like his style but Observer gave out many great arguments to back up His position.
To place in doubt a person's salvation because they don't use language of which you approve not only demonstrates lack of Bible understanding, it shows a lack of understanding of one's own heart. All of us have numerous areas that we need to show a broken and contrite spirit and confess that we need growth in grace. How oft shall my brother offend me, 70x7 implies two things, we need a great deal of forgiveness for others and that people don't put away offensive habits easily. We are what we are by the grace of God and for His glory. Thankfully we serve a God who abundantly pardons and remembers our frame that we are but dust. May we humbly beseech God for the wisdom to determine to walk in the light as He is in the light, to delight in His company and to detest anything that leads us out of the paths of righteousness.
Have to agree with Frank on two counts. One the Romans 7 passage is post salvation, you certainly don't see an unsaved person being able to say they delight in the law of God after the inward man (v22) seeing the are not subject to it and neither indeed can be. And, of course, the wife is a keeper it will be 29 years worth in July, I always try and send her a sympathy card on our anniversary
Hey brother Frank, good to see you posting regularly again. A definition of a cult from Merriam-Webster, "a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents" that would certainly seem to be an apt description of Roman Catholicism. God bless you brother.
Lisa wrote: John- my Jesus sends no-one to hell...
Matthew 7:22,23 "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." (KJV)
The Lord Jesus is sending the workers of iniquity away, and where exactly is He sending them if He is not sending them to the place of their eternal punishment?
John 3:35,36 "The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand. He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.‚ÄĚ (NKJV)
John 5:22 "For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son." (NKJV) You might want to rethink that one, Lisa.
Neil wrote: That is an evasion: I was asking *how* a person can learn about God absent visual natural evidence. Telling me Mrs. Crosby was blind & converted explains nothing.
I apologize, I was not trying to be evasive. Obviously, creation is not the only nor the best way that God speaks. I am not sure where you are trying to go or get me to admit. There are braille Bibles and deaf people communicate through sign language. A blind person would not see or understand anything about God from His general revelation in nature.
The president acted the decisively. The current acting chief for the IRS was scheduled to leave that position at the end of June of this year. The president knew something had to be done, so he demanded that the same person resign,which he did, effective at the end of June of this year. Thank you Mr. President!
Neil wrote: You ignored my question, so I'll repeat & rephrase it: How is a deaf & blind person supposed to learn about God when he can't even see the creation which requires functional vision to perceive & appreciate?
You are right, I missed that question, my bad. They obviously cannot learn through those senses that do not function. Yet I would bring up Fanny Crosby who was saved in her 40's and was a prolific hymn writer despite being blind from birth.
Thanks Neil, you asked what attributes are seen in nature, I even referred to Scripture to back my point. I don't believe any of us are saying that there is enough revelation of God in nature to bring a person to saving faith or even an understanding that God who is manifested is further revealed in Holy Writ. I do believe that the order in the universe speaks of the order in the nature of the God who created it. But let us turn again to Scripture. Does the creation show us something about God (Psalm 19:1) The heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament shows His handiwork. If God's dealings in nature are not a revelation of Himself, then lets cut out Job 38-41 and Psalm 104 out of the Bible. Finally, when Paul was witnessing to heathens who had no knowledge of the Scripture, what did he say,Acts 14:15-17".. preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them, who in bygone generations allowed all nations to walk in their own ways. Nevertheless He did not leave Himself without WITNESS, in that He did good, gave us rain from heaven and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.‚ÄĚ
Thanks Neil,I have seen that you are saying that in the verse in Romans 1 it simply means perception. I would say the fact that verse plainly states are seen through understanding by the things that are MADE, that it involves as quoted in both definitions perception with the eye. Nature cannot fully demonstrate an infinite God. We see His power in tornadoes, hurricanes. volcanoes, earthquakes and the fact that all this was simply spoken into existence. We see His wisdom in the design of the earth and the universe. Science is not my best subject, but if we were closer to the Sun we would burn up, farther away and we would be wasteland of ice. We see His faithfulness in the coming of the seasons (Genesis 8:22) We see His mercy in sending rain on the just and the unjust without which life would not consist. We see His ubiquity in that He sends rain in a desert where no one lives (Job 38:26) Psalm 19 and Romans 10 let us know that nature speaks of the God who created it. Also, really, seeing that as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are His ways higher than ours, can we even truly perceive and understand God through our mere intellect? God says it is enough of a witness to condemn man for perverting the truth it proclaims.
Neil wrote: Note well: Invisible attributes are clearly SEEN!...
Thank you for your response and my humble apologies, because no I don't see your point. The passage states they are seen by the things that are made (that which we can see)The same word (seen) is used to refer to the apostles seeing the Lord Jesus after the resurrection and Paul used the same term when he talked about those who had not seen his face. Also you have the statements of Psalm 19 where the firmament SHOWS His handiwork. The glory of God is seen in the order of the universe, which some don't see because their foolish heart is darkened. We can see His eternal power in nature all around us. Only God can open the darkened eyes of the spiritually blind, but nature is a way in which God reveals Himself. (please don't even think I am referring to pantheism)
The psalmist said as he gazed up creation in Psalm 8 that it spoke to him of the greatness of his God. Psalm 19:1-4 (KJV) "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth SPEECH, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.THERE IS NO SPEECH NOR LANGUAGE WHERE THEIR VOICE IS NOT HEARD. Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their WORDS TO THE END OF THE WORLD In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,"
Romans 10:17-19 (NKJV) So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed: Their sound has gone out to all the earth, And their words to the ends of the world
Romans 1:20 (NKJV)For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
So creation's proof of God is empirical it can be seen and heard at all places upon earth. One does not have to exercise faith to see it. Brother Michael Hranek, I am sure, lives and walks by faith and should not be put down for pointing out the obvious.
Christopher000 wrote: I've always had a need for speed but I'm fine with the 4G's and the quantums. I have never found myself sitting around tapping my nails waiting on something and I wonder how noticable the speed upgrade would be anyway. US, I know, right? But...guilty! I am one of those freaks who don't seem to make a lot of sense...ha-ha. Funny, just a couple of years ago, the smaller your phone was, the cooler you were and a 15" flat screen cost $500. The world and technology are sure moving fast.
My son loves it too. But I must confess I am not much of a tv or movie watcher. The 5G speed is supposed to be 100x faster. But as already pointed out they have spend the money to implement it. Besides Harold Camping said we won't be around by 2020.
lessons from the west wrote: Despite the United States of America being an Evangelical Protestant nation, it now has the unenviable distinction of hitting the 25% SSM mark. Meanwhile the SCOTUS will hand down a national solution within 6 weeks. Even Sodom and Gomorrah, with a combind population of 50,000, never fell to these depths. Perhaps John MacArthur is correct that God will soon have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.
Not sure how you arrived at the population of Sodom and Gomorrah, but I would have to respectfully disagree with John MacArthur. The Scriptures remind us in Genesis 18 that the Judge of all the earth is going to do right. There will never be a time when God will owe anyone an apology.
I have yet to see the logic of people who spend big bucks to get a 50 inch or bigger flat screen television and then are excited because they can watch the same content on a 3-6 inch screen with poorer resolution.
First of all thank you to Luker for his kind and encouraging remarks. I also fully agree with the spirit of your last paragraph, I believe we both would say even so come quickly Lord Jesus.
CDA you are jumping, sir, from one Scripture to another to prove your point. You started in a post with the contention that there is no man or devil that knows the hour of His return, the only two verses that use that terminology are Matthew 24:36 and Mark 13:32. Neither of them speak of the judgment. But when you come back to comment on it you use Matthew 16:27 and John 5:26-29. I was addressing what you had stated. In those verses in your latest post there is no hint, as you correctly state, of a 1000 year period, but there is in Revelation 20. As I stated, I don't need multiple sources in Scripture if it is found once. What you cannot prove brother is that the 1000 years is NOT to be taken literally. Especially in light of the fact that you would take all the verses that surround it as literal. You may not see it as literal, and we can say we agree to disagree on the point. But I thank you for your input in the matter.
On the 30, 60, 100 fold I still believe that is dependent on our use of the means of grace God has given us. (Philippians 2:12,13
Jim Lincoln wrote: S.F. John, according to one conservative source, The Common Core program of Obama would help. ..
If you believe that about Common Core, then my guess you have not read about the two moms who did not find this to be so in Indiana. These were conservative activist just moms who cared about their kids education.