Dave wrote: Gday, Can anyone share any information about a doctor Bob pastor North Athens Baptist Church in Tennessee?
from a tad over a year ago
Dr. Felix R. (Bob) Kerr is a native of Knoxville, Tennessee who has been in pastoral ministry since 1974 and has been the Pastor at North Athens since 1986. He is married to Patricia and they have two grown sons and six grandchildren. He strongly believes in the authority and sufficiency of the Holy Scriptures and is committed to teaching them in an orderly, systematic fashion. He is currently preaching through Hebrews on Sunday mornings and Psalms on Wednesday night.
We have many issues today that had the people in Washington DC followed the pattern setup by our founders as seen in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Federalist papers, many things we face today would not be plaguing our society. We, sadly, live where we see the lists of behaviors found in II TImothy 3 and Romans 1 to be the norm.
Our government is far from perfect and we should pray that God would give our leaders wisdom, a desire to promote policies that are a solace to good and a terror to evil, and passage of laws and regulations that help us to live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.
Ultimately the problem is not our government but the hearts of people who have no desire to do all things for the glory of God.
I give you and sc the last words of wisdom y'all may wish to add.
re-revisionist wrote: Don't you mean WASHINGTON D.C.?!
I apologize but you didn't prove your point. One, IRS audits don't take place in Washington, D.C. unless you live in the area. Two, when asked whether we should pay taxes our Lord said whose picture is on the coin and then advise render to Cesar what is his, He did not say if you pay taxes you are worshiping the man's whose inscription is on the coin. If you are right, then our Lord is wrong, I certainly don't believe that He was. It is not the love of the picture on a coin (dollar) that is spoken against but the love of money or material things. You DON'T see people, Masonic or not, going to the Washington Monument for worship services. There are not lines of worshipers at the painting.
The RCC has mass, central to their false worship system, are you saying that because a pagan entity has the same practice (partaking bread and wine, not their hocus pocus stuff) that we Christians do we should not have communion? Many unsaved read the Bible daily, so we shouldn't because they are trying to earn salvation with their practice?
If you are sending your tithes and offerings to the government, you should stop. Taxes and tithes are not the same thing.
thanks for your comment. The thing is, when ever they did the painting, no law was passed that people had to make a pilgrimage to D.C. to come and worship before it. If it is part of tours, they probably don't say you are stepping on sacred ground, bow and worship or kiss the statue. Most of us here wouldn't even know about it had you not brought it up. We don't face our rugs toward D.C. and pray 5 times a day saying there is no god but America and Washington is his prophet. The very days of week and months of our year have pagan origins but you still use them.
In my thinking, for your point to be valid, you would have to demonstrate that people worship the painting, the momument, the statue, etc. If Nebuchadnezzar had merely made a statue, we would not have the story of Hananiah, Mishael and Azariah and their steadfast allegiance to God because they didn't look at a statue. He commanded that people bow and worship it and that set off the Scriptural narrative. The serpent Moses created was not an issue until people started falsely worshiping it. Gideon's ephod became a problem only when people starting worshiping it.
Sorry for being a tad dense here, but you have lost me on your response, sc. Just an fyi, I work in a 24/7 call center, if the holiday falls on my off day I get it, if it doesn't I don't. I have said repeatedly that by the grace of God I celebrate the birth and resurrection of our Lord on a daily basis. Monuments, statues, and paintings do not equate to worship. I could show you in Scripture where God uses monuments, statues, and paintings if you wished.
You actual seem to agree with what I am saying, "...holidays..that you enjoy and...take advantage of WITHOUT THE LEAST THOUGHT of why you are doing so." If the reason for the holiday is a person and they are given NO THOUGHT then they are not getting too much worship if you ask me.
My wife has several photo albums of our family over the years. Just because I have pictures or paintings, doesn't mean I worship my family.
If you don't like our country, its history and heritage, that is between you and God, but your lack of patriotism doesn't make you more or less spiritual in God's eyes. All of us look for a country that is not of this world and claim our citizenship there. Even though they held secondary importance, Paul had no issue with claiming his nationality or his earthly citizenship.
They must do strange things in Ohio. Do people gather on Washington's birthday to learn or discuss anything about him? Do they go to hold services at the Lincoln memorial and say prayers to him?
When I was growing up people would venerate our founders (regard with great respect) but idolize was not being done. Nowadays most people would have little clue who they were never mind tell you all about them, their lives, etc.
Read your Bible and see what people did for idols, they offered sacrifices, said prayers, bowed down and worshiped them, cut themselves, etc. Check out Hebrews 11, there is nothing wrong with speaking highly of and even emulating those who have gone on before, it doesn't mean they are being idolized.
By the way secular history is important. Did you know that those who don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it. Read a few of Spurgeon's sermons and take note. Even you make your points about Christmas and Easter based upon, gasp, secular history and of course your interpretation of the Bible. Check out Paul's sermon on Mar's hill.
History certainly doesn't have the spiritual benefit of reading and studying the Scriptures, and we would all do well to find it the source of our musing and meditation.
Frank wrote: Tray, do you have an opinion of things or are you just going to quote "your" prophet? Thanks Observer and MS and Dorcas for agreeing with me. If the media picks up the story and runs with it, then I simply look for the misdirection I noted. Even Jim from Lincoln could run with this story, so But, Luke 17:10, please don't misunderstand me. I am glad they protested even though I would choose to not be among them. If just one little life can be saved, then it is worth it.
Hey brother Frank, I agree with you and will add my sorry for not mentioning it previously.
Although it sounds spiritual, Tray B, and we all need preaching, politicians understand money and numbers and obviously could care less about preaching.
Hey Christopher, our Lord said those who are sick need a physician. Not all medicine is as bad as pennned implies. She doesn't seem to apply the same follow the money standard to her groups that she does to the pharmaceuticals. I have done the research, maybe not as much as she, I have followed her links. These are the type of people that told you alar was bad for you and hurt the apple industry when it turned out it was not. They said that ddt was bad, but people ate it by the spoonful with no harmful effects and now that it has been banned in some countries, malaria (which was nealy wiped out) has made a resurgence.
That being said she brings up many points that are valid like stop trying to make sure all girls get that needless vaccine for cervical cancer and proof that some vaccines are not only not as effective as simply natural medications in many cases cause more problems than they solve.
Nowadays with all the money that the extremely wealthy and our government is pouring into the medical field for simple control, I believe it would be far better to err on her side of the issue than Jim's. When the government mandates vaccinations that is very problematic. Follow her advice and do the research.
Personally would rather wear sneakers, jeans and collared or t shirt to work but go with the standard they give us of dress shoes, slacks, and collared shirt. I don't feel my level of work drops with the less stringent dress code we are sometimes allowed. I agree these people need to just do what their employer says in this matter.
dano wrote: A lot of talk in this thread about eating meats offered to idols. The idol is nothing, a non living entity. It's fine to eat meat offered to idols (as long as you're not offending someone). That is not the same as buying coffee from Starbucks when you know they support abortion. Helping to fund the death of a human life is not the same as eating meat offered to a piece of wood. Perhaps a Christian ought to have a real heart check if he has a choice to use another company and doesnt.
Thanks for you comment, and you have a great point. Where your reasoning falls apart is that the device you used to access this site was undoubtedly made in China that has a forced abortion policy. Buying overpriced coffee at Starbucks, not suggesting that, pays for the salaries of those employees, one of whom may be a Christian who gives a tithe to a church.
We can't escape the fact that we live in a fallen world governed by fallen men. If every imagination of man's heart was only evil in Noah's day then any trading he did went to support someone who had the evil lifestyle that was judged in the flood. We see no condemnation by God for him for that. Maybe he was completely self-sufficient, don't know. Other Bible examples could be given
Dave wrote: Profitableservant. Paul explicitly warns of eating meat offered to idols in 1cor.10/28. God bless,
Thanks Dave, I always appreciate your posts. True he does say don't eat if your were told that it was for the conscience sake of him that mentioned it.
Prior to that
23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
24 Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth.
25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:
26 For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.
note verse 25 and 26, he says go ahead and eat asking no question for the same conscience sake because all is the Lord's. verse 27 even says go ahead and eat. The prohibition comes in when they mention it was offered to idols.
If I am understanding that incorrectly I will gladly be corrected.
Observer wrote: .. Yeah, I've had serious health issues and was not able to pursue any correspondence. I'll get back to it soon to explain more. Thank you bro for your prayers. Means a lot to me, but there are more deserving folk and situations.
Hey Observer WELCOME BACK!!! Sorry to hear you are not in best of health. Will be praying that your health improves. Jehovah Rophi it is a blessing to see you come back and post
We live in a secular world. I am sitting in front a monitor made by MAG and one by LG. My computer comes from Dell, I am typing on a wireless keyboard made by Logitech. My service is currently delivered by AT&T. Though the man who built my house is Christian, probably much of the material came from Home Depot. My wife owns a nearly 20 year old car made by FORD and my nearly 15 year old vehicle is a GM. The computer products were more than likely built in China which has a forced abortion policy and more than likely all the companies I have named support "gay" rights.
When I go to the store and buy groceries, it could be one of the guys who's salary I am helping pay is an alcoholic, maybe mistreats his family and watches porn on his pc. The point is I have no control of what happens to my money after I spend it. I don't live in a Christian world. The people who made the clothing I wear, manufacturer the gas the goes into my vehicles, etc. are not of the same mind set or values that I have.
Paul advise that buying meat offered to idols (who obviously never ate it) was not supporting the godless practice that made it less expensive.
What is needed is more sharing of the gospel, more handing out tracts and evangelizing, it is the world's only hope.
Thank you William for your kind words and insightful comments. If you simply look at the headline, one would fully understand why sc made the comments she did, because she is right, all lives matter,(unless you are a democratic candidate for president being booed by your liberal crowd or you are selling parts for profit, disgusting, from what was supposed to be just "fetal tissue" not humans with marketable body parts) and why would he just think that Planned Parenthood only wants to abort blacks. If you read the quote in context, then one would see it is not what the headline seems to represent. Hopefully the quotes from Sanger and Carson will dispel the misunderstanding.
My entire professional life has been devoted to saving and enhancing lives. Thus, the thought of abortion for the sake of convenience does not appeal to me. Many of us turn a blind eye to the wanton slaughter of millions of helpless human babies who are much more sophisticated than some of the other creatures, when nothing is at stake other than the convenience of one or both parents
America had no right criticizing ancient "heathen" civilizations for practicing human sacrifice because it is doing the same thing through legal abortion.
You can look up the reference in "A physicians view of the sanctity of life", if you wish. He is against abortion no matter what race it affects.
In this article, as I tried to point out, he is talking about the FOUNDING of Planned Parenthood. It WAS founded for mainly racist reasons as seen in the Margaret Sanger quote. So, his quote is NOT what you are making it out to be, but an accurate statement of an historical fact.
If you don't like him, fine. Doesn't mean you have to inaccurately portray what he is saying to be racist. Your logic would mean a person complimenting a lady for her blue dress must mean they disdain all other dress colors, an inaccurate assessment.
Republican 2016 presidential candidate Ben Carson recently made the assertion on a Iowa conservative radio show that the "purpose" behind Margaret Sanger's founding of the abortion giant Planned Parenthood was to "eliminate black people," and also questioned whether or not President Barack Obama realizes that.
"You wonder if he actually knows the history of Planned Parenthood and Margaret Sanger, who was trying to eliminate black people," Carson replied. "That was the whole purpose of it."
from the article
"We donâ€™t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population" - Margaret Sanger
sc you can't change history. He made an accurate statement. Did you read the article? He was not showing favor to one race or the other, he correctly stated that the purpose of planned parenthood was to eliminate black people. That is not a prejudice statement by the doctor as you have implied, it is a fact of history. He was talking *see first quote* about the reason for founding planned parenthood.
1517 wrote: . Creating a Christian version of Disney land is not exactly Apostolic in its approach.
Brother 1517 - I would say that handing out tracts is not Apostolic in its approach. Having a written copy of the entire Bible is not Apostolic in its approach. Sermons downloaded in mp3 format is not Apostolic in its approach. The list obviously could be very long. What exactly is your point about not being Apostolic.
chineham, the word is translated ear(Mark 7:35; Acts 17:20) and refers to hearing by the ear (I Corinthians 12:17) It is an ability that does not require being born of the Spirit. It is a given that God is the only One who can open those blinded to the truth of gospel. He is a God who uses means. The Scripture tell us our secret parts were formed by God in the womb, you still need a pregnancy for that to happen. People still need to hear the preaching, that is what the verse before yours in I Corinthians states. God choose the foolishness of preaching (something spoken that people hear) to SAVE them that believe.
B. McCausland wrote: 'Does our law judge any man, before it hear him, and know what he does? Nicodemus John 7:51
B McCausland, thank you for your admonition. Please note what you left out was my first word, IF. The evaluation of the sermon was from someone who had heard it, my comment was based on what they said. I was simply being upfront that I had not listened and could not make a comment from first hand knowledge but was commenting on someone else's post.
Sober, just a fyi, there are 129 sermons on SA about Judges 19.
Hey Jessica, I pray you having a good day, sorry about what you went through, it is tragic.
FG, you kind of make my point when you state the church is weaker today through compromise. Most agree that the early church had a zeal for God, the Bible even talks about all being filled with the Holy Spirit proclaiming the Word of God. Yet, they lived in decadent times, in some ways worse than what we currently see today. No one blamed the church for the ungodliness of the day. Our Lord, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Peter, nor Jude rebuked the Christians for the sins of the unregenerate.
Do we need to see more of God's people walking with God, living in His fear, pursuing holiness, and being the needed salt and light of the world that we are commanded to be, certainly. II Timothy 3 and Romans 1 remind us of the society in which we will find ourselves.
I will probably get flack for my next statement, but so be it.
If Jason Cooley's message is "adult only" (not my description, haven't listened to sermon) then he was irresponsible for uploading it to this site, and excusing it because someone else did worse is a terrible practice that I am sure he would condemn if someone else used it for an excuse.