That is what we love about Jim, somehow showing people the truth about their coverage at a DIFFERENT website than the healthcare site and being honest about the cost IS equivalant or WORSE than advising people to lie on their federal forms or using private information fraudualently to help political parties. If this was happening under the previous president, Jim would crying foul loud and clear, but it is his party and president of choice. So, it is see no evil, hear to evil and see no evil. It is what independents do.
at a loss how you are saying Baptist are changing the Greek word.
it interesting to note that the GREEK orthodox church, which baptizes babies practices immersion, why, because they know the word means to immerse.
Can you not get this? It is YOU who are trying to change the meaning of the word to match your beliefs. It seems like a better practice would be to make my beliefs match Scripture and where Scripture and my beliefs differ that I change my beliefs, not vise versa.
Plus you keep making up history to match your beliefs. Also, we note the false accusations. But one thing I have learned, your motto is don't confuse me with the facts. (except for 1517)
note your refusal to answer questions from John UK and Luker
Note you NEVER gave GS a single verse that supports infant baptism.
Note you cannot find any place in the Bible that says that baptism replaced circumcision. Did Peter say that, no; Paul,no; James, no; John, no; Jude, no; anywhere in the 4 gospels or Acts, no; the book of Hebrews, no, wait that covers the entire NT. Maybe it is in the OT in verses about the New Covenant, oops not there either
1517 wrote: Unprofitable Servant, ... What are your thoughts?
Hey 1517, thanks for your response. Appreciate you. The subject of the covenant of Grace is something I have not given a lot of thought to since I did my research on it nearly 30 years ago. I believer Luker has a pertinent question. I appreciate your emphasis on the fact that one must be quickened so we are on the same page. I don't see the church as the replacement for Israel so I don't see baptism as the replacement for circumcision. I do believe we here in the West don't fully appreciate what the ordinance means. If we were in the middle east or lived back in Biblical times there would be a realization that taking that public stand for Christ could cost us our lives and we would be counting the cost. (Luke 14:26-35) Even when you read authors like Spurgeon and his contemporaries you see the seriousness they placed on both ordinances and people living up to their meaning.
J4J, your #2 response went over my head. your number 5 answer contradicts what you say you believe, but will ask again the question you did not answer, Where do you believe that people GET the faith they use to obey the gospel?
Seems like trust would be basic to dealing with anyone or thing here on this earth. We trust that when we sit in a chair it will support us. We trust that when we turn the key the car will start. We trust when we reach down to pet our neighbors dog that it won't bite us. We trust that the store owner has marked his prices correctly. We trust that the postman isn't stealing our mail. We trust the restaurant is cooking our food correctly. We trust that the used car salesman isn't fudging on the truth. etc., etc.
The amount of trust is what is at issue, and our fellow human beings are giving us many reasons to be skeptical. I remember when we moved to this area nearly 30 years ago. People didn't lock their doors, they left their keys in their vehicles (even the fancy new ones) and nobody met a stranger. (although more than likely nobody stranger than I) Coming from the Chicago area this was quite a culture shock. That has all changed, people don't leave houses unlocked and keys in cars. The Scripture (II Timothy 3:13) says the will go from bad to worse, just another sign we are in the end times.
Shane, we are all in your shoes, by the grace of God will be keeping you and others in our prayers.
John Yurich USA wrote: I never even heard of Coontz before today. Speaking of television ministers. Anybody remember television minister Robert Tilton? The one thing I remember about Tilton is that he used to put his finger in his ear for some reason.
Looks like ABC exposed this false WOF prophet for the fraud that he is.
So we see the paedobaptist, just like GS stated, have NO verses that back up infant baptism, just speculation like SteveR posted. They have NO history to back them up, been proven over and over again in discussion on this topic, and NO explanation as to how the clear meaning of the word transliterated baptizo (couldn't translate it as it would have shown their practice to be wrong) still means to immerse. NO explanation for Acts 8:34-39 or Acts 2:41. NO explanation that something so needful for salvation is rarely addressed in the Pauline epistles and not found in the Pastoral epistles at all. They base their whole theology of false speculation and mock those who don't believe in their fairy tales as not being able to read the Bible, instead answering his question. Even the guy they claim to follow (Calvin) acknowledges the early church practiced immersion.
It is no wonder you get people like J4J pushing his view of salvation when you look at the alternative of saying that grace is imparted through the work of infant baptism. Really?? and all the circumcised were believers then, how do you explain the non-believing Jews who had our Lord crucified if the sign leads to salvation? Simeon, Anna,Elizabeth John,Mary,and Joseph are but a partial list of believing Jews.
John for JESUS wrote: Maybe I elaborated to much, let me try again! ..
They won't see the truth for salvation in the preaching because they are blind!! The gospel is HID to them (II Cor.4) They won't hear and be converted because they are spiritually dead. They cannot believe apart from a work of the Spirit because the BIBLE says neither CAN they know them. (II Cor 2)Why do sinners call upon the Lord for salvation, it because the Holy Spirit has convicted them of sin, because He granted them repentance and faith. These have all been proven in previous post. Why is this so hard for you to see? If faith precedes regeneration then the devils in James 2 are saved, because they are said to have believed. Why do you think you have to exalt man in salvation? If the faith is self produce then it is a work of righteousness that I HAVE DONE, see how that stacks up with Titus 3:5. Look at your own example of the seed. One waters one plants BUT GOD GIVES THE INCREASE. Don't let you anti-Calvinistic stance stop you from understanding the truth of Scripture concerning being born from above.
Where do you believe that people GET the faith they use to obey the gospel?
John Yurich USA wrote: It is just plain stupid to leave a gratuity at a restaurant. The reason why I don't leave a gratuity at a restaurant is I am selfish. I am always looking for ways to save money. ...
Proverbs 11 - 24 There is one who scatters, yet increases more; And there is one who withholds more than is right, But it leads to poverty. 25 The generous soul will be made rich, And he who waters will also be watered himself.
II Corinthians 9:6 But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully.
Luke 6:38 Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you.
not stupid but just plain good stewardship. These people have to go out and earn their money, their good service should be rewarded. If after you got a job, if you did an exceptional job for your company would you not expect to be rewarded for your labor? Your attitude is like the priest and Levite in the parable of the good Samaritan.
Chosen not for good in me, Wakened up from wrath to flee, Hidden in the Saviorâ€™s side, By the Spirit sanctified, Teach me, Lord, on earth to show, By my love, how much I owe.
Robert M McCheyne
â€śWhy was I made to hear Thy voice, And enter while thereâ€™s room, When thousands make a wretched choice, And rather starve than come?â€ť
â€™Twas the same love that spread the feast That sweetly drew us in; Else we had still refused to taste, And perished in our sin.
Our prayer is that J4J will not only see the truth of the manifold Scriptures that have been posted but enjoy the blessing expressed by these two servants of God as they rejoiced in salvation wrought from above.
May the words, previously noted by more than one person, of John the Baptist find residence into his reasoning, "... A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven." (John 3:27 KJV)
James 1:18 KJV "Of HIS OWN WILL begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures."
John 1:13 KJV "Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."
J4J, I hope you don't miss out of the blessing of ascribing ONLY to the gracious and most merciful God the glory due to His name in salvation
helping Bapti wrote: If you could read Scripture ..
First, I do hope people follow your admonition in early post and that people pray for John UK and me to have grace to be humble and teachable.
the greek CLEARLY teaches, to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe
. The meaning of the Greek word is, according to Liddell and Scott, Greek-English, Lexicon, "to put beneath," or "to dip under." Thayerâ€™s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament has this to say about it, "An immersion in water
Even today in modern Greece it still means to immerse.
Seeing your say we don't learn from the Puritan and Reformed teachers let us quote one.
John Calvin wrote, "Among the ancients they immersed the whole body in water, and it is certain that immersion was the practice of the early church."
Mosheim, Lutheran Church Historian, tells us, "The sacrament of baptism was administered in this (the first) century . . . by the immersion of the whole body in the baptismal font."
By the way, I enjoy Manton, Ryle, Bunyan, Rutherford, Spurgeon, and Owen to name a
Forgive me, J4J, for not understanding your post. You seem to be mixing physical and spiritual death. The passage quoted shows that the spiritually dead (those not quickened by the Spirit) walked according the course of the world, had a lifestyle fulfilling lust of the flesh. Yet the Word of God calls them dead in trespasses and sins. So, they were quite capable of sinning. Now note verses 4 and 5, EVEN WHEN WE WERE DEAD, He made us alive. It does not say we made ourselves alive or even had that capability. Does it say in verse 10 for we are OUR workmanship?
John 6:63a (KJV) "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing" Does it say the Spirit responds to the flesh?
John 6:65 (KJV)"And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father." Before you say God gives that to everyone, remember in verse 37 our Lord says ALL that Father gives Him SHALL come, surely you're not a universalist.
John 3:27b (KJV) "... A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven."
II Corinthians 4:3&4 says the natural man is blind to gospel truth and it is HID from him. I Corinthians 2:14 says he CANNOT understand it.
Salvation is of the LORD to Him be all the glory!!
Christopher000 wrote: I almost said, "Happy Thanksgiving" to everyone yesterday, but figured I'd get blasted because turkeys symbolize some ancient Druid rite or something...ha-ha. Anyway, hope everyone stayed safe, and didn't get too loaded (yeah, right), but I know most probably ate too much. I think about how much we have and still complain from time to time. I consider how even the poorest American would be considered wealthy to many abroad who live with their families in a one room, tin covered hut, have no plumbing or electric, nothing to buy with, nothing to sell, and exist on water flavored with spices.
Hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving Christopher, even though we all know you SHOULD have been celebrating the first day of Hanukkah
Baker wrote: you found all the ages of the household members? Wow Happy Thankgiving. please no more dialogue since you found out the ages. Somewhere what the 2nd generation practiced on this subject is in the same book you are reading but i have an extra Bible.
Yup, I found them the exact same place you found the young children and infants.
Baker wrote: Why should we have show a direct command in the new...., better,.... more inclusive.... Covenant. The burden of proof is on the believers only baptism advocates to show - Where are the children of believers excluded from recieving the sign. Baptist arguments are from silence and family solidarity remains explicit 1 Cor 7:14. *We have a new test. record of 12 baptisms. ALL 12 are first generation gentile converts, like our Gentile Iraqi Father of the faith Aberaham. Out of those 12, 4 are households. What did the jewish audience Peter preached to understand when he told them they and their children were still part of the promise but now the Gentiles who were far off as well?
None that were baptized in the households were younger than 12 (jewish age for being consider an adult at that time) and all made professions of faith.
Jim Lincoln wrote: ... Neil, capitalism doesn't work with laissez-faire...
Speaking on a so called documentary on Enron
"Not once, ever, did they mention that during most of the years of false growth and cooked books, Clinton was President. It was during these times, that some people began to get suspicious and nothing was done. Bush had only been in office a few months when Enron finally collapsed."
(Jim, to his credit, did mention Clinton)
Jim has not voiced complaints when the same tactics are used by government programs.
Neil, Jim is a great guy, however he,like most who hold his positions, do not understand free markets and how they benefit the economy. He might have termed it survival of the fittest but the government made it companies too big to fail. The current fiscal failures we face are due to government intervention and over regulation not the opposite. This is Thanksgiving, a story that aptly shows the failures of communism (liberal economics) and the success of capitalism.
Also, someone remind Jim about the disdain he had for Ryan and how he needs to apply it to Ryan's incorrect thinking that Glass-Steagall should be reinstated.
What???? Helping's foray into fictional writing came to an abrupt end and now he is just quoting fiction writers? Surely you should not have given up so soon, I guess you decided to keep your day job after all
Happy Thanksgiving to all!! Even our brethren overseas and north of the border (they already had Thanksgiving day) May God richly bless you.
J4J really they are incapable of sinning because they are spiritually dead. Look at Ephesians 2:1-7 (KJV) "And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are savedAnd hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus."
and reevaluate your statement.
Both repentance and faith are said to come from God, even John 3 reminds us no man can have anything unless given to him of God. I adjure you make your doctrine match the Bibl
Jim, you are missing the point. The book may indeed be an accurate biography of President Obama. Inserted in the book was the inaccurate blanket statement that whites didn't vote for BHO because he was black. (so we can assume the blacks that didn't vote for him was because he is white) There are people who fit that description (I know I live in the South) but the fact remains he would not president if whites hadn't voted him into to two terms. Common core is bad news, just like ACA. The more that comes out about it, the more we see that the leftist who wrote the curriculum have a political agenda they are trying to put forth and as bad as no child left behind was, this is much worse. It is dramatically alters education standards. It makes learning more subjective than objective, and lends itself to anything goes philosophy.