s c wrote: The design of a dress,the kind of material,the fit,etc....can indeed be vulgar. You can't figure this out?
just my opinion sc, but I think you should give some consideration to what is being said here. You are basically saying that men will think lustful thoughts because they see a mannequin in a miniskirt or pass a rack of little black dresses in the clothing section. Believe me there are plenty of woman whose indecent attire is turning heads but not towards them. We should look away in either case, but with some it is not a struggle to do what is right.
It is indeed, as Conner stated, a heart issue. If you have set your heart to follow Philippians 4:8; have a holy desire also to put on the Lord Jesus Christ and not make provision for the flesh, want to crucify your lust which are upon the earth, wish to set your affections on things above, then you don't look for opportunities to be disloyal and unloving to your worthy Master and King but you guard your heart with all diligence and walk each moment by His grace and for His glory in the fear of God. (Genesis 39:9)
Think whatever you wish, I just think you should give the advice from the previous poster some consideration, instead indicating you view them as a dunce.
I am pretty certain these people would have said that they way Israelites treated animals for the purposes of worshiping God was not humane (really humane and animals don't belong in the same sentence, they are not human) The Bible says the righteous man regards the life of his beast, so animals are to treated properly, but non farm bureaucrats have no clue as to what is proper treatment for animals.
Also a general rule, no one does work for free, so money is a proper incentive. The Bible says the laborer is worthy of his hire and God condemned those who did not pay wages owed.
connor wrote: Jeremy wrote, "JC Ryle was a great man of God! Love his work on holiness." I really want to read that book!!! Now I know it's something I got to read.
Just for your info, the vast majority of the book is read by a lady from Still Waters Revival Books in mp3 format here on SermonAudio. (look under speakers, J C Ryle keyword holiness or follow the link below) You could download the files on a device that plays those files and listen while driving, walking, shopping, etc.
s c wrote: So,Unprofitable,Job had it wrong? And...aren't there Scriptures in regards to not making provision for the flesh? ...not the s c world that you have a problem with...seems to be loose use of God's Word.
Job didn't say the word "see" either. He made a covenant with his eyes not to think (seriously consider, same word used for someone who teaches or has understanding) The problem, sister, with your assumptions is that men have no control over their lust in the presence of an improperly clad female. You assume that people take in, say a tv show, for the purpose of seeing someone in less than modest apparel. If they can't wait (an example you used) to see the weather lady, then yes, they are making provision for the flesh to fulfill the lust thereof, but that would be rare. Thing is, your thinking is built on an improper base (that men only take in things to fulfill their fleshly desires), therefore the conclusions is inaccurate.
My last word on this matter in this thread, seeing you are charging me with "loose use of God's Word "(wonder if others think the same) No response to whatever you post, you have the last words. Thanks.
s c wrote: (looking upon someone to lust is the same)
The Bible word "look" is a present/active/participle verb which means the subject is looking and continuing to look (same found in ask and ye shall find --present/active/imperative--it is ask and keep on asking) and has these lustful intentions already in their heart that are just being manifested by their covetous actions. It portrays the idea of looking longingly, and the same Greek word is also translated covet.
In the sc world, it isn't look as the Lord meant it, it is just, see. Until you make that distinction you will continue, in my opinion, to wrongfully assess things. You also are not distinguishing between the professing church and the possessing church.
Thanks for your answer, hope you have a blessed Lord's day
These people need our compassion not our condemnation. Some of lost loved ones, many have lost their homes and all their belongings, some business have already said they aren't going to reopen after their buildings had burned to the ground. This is one of largest tourist areas in the United States, so the lasting effects could effect many who live and make their livings there which would more than likely include some dear brothers and sisters in the Lord. The out pouring of help has been phenomenal. Our church is helping 10 families that lost everything and supplying baskets with necessities for others and donating to the first responders. We are hoping to use this as a means of getting the gospel out to those in need. Please pray for those who are suffering due to this devastation. Thanks.
And just as you want men to do to you, you also do to them likewise
Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all, especially to those who are of the household of faith.
s c wrote: If he was a sodomite,we would never hear the end of it but a playboy with a wife who is indiscreet with her body...not so bothersome.
I take it you didn't read the plethora of comments about Trump and his lifestyle for nearly 18 months that populated this board or you wouldn't not have made such an observation.
What you seem to choose to ignore is
there isn't a group of drunks trying to force the church to have drinking parties.
there isn't a group of adulterers trying to get the church to make it's ministers stop preaching against adultery.
there isn't (yet) a group of polygamists trying to get the church to perform multiple partner marriage vows.
there is a group of immodest dressers trying to make the church goers wear skimpy clothing.
There is a group of LGBT people trying to define "anti-gay" messages as hate speech and shut up the preachers and teachers.
There is a group of transgenders trying to make the church allow men into woman's restrooms.
It is not that the church doesn't condemn (or winks at) heterosexual sins (see SA sermons) and is more against homosexuals. It is they must fight the onerous intrusion of the godless lifestyle of the LBGT crowd on their ministries and in their public life.
ladybug wrote: I read an article where homosexual designer Tom Ford has refused to design anything for Mrs. Trump [ source - http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/tom-ford-melania-trump-wear-clothing/story?id=43881495]. He designed a dress for M. Obama, perhaps because he's a democrat. Now, if you are a Christian baker or florist, you must provide your service to the homosexual or you get dragged into court and sued - yet- the homosexual can be selective who they choose to provide a service to?
I am sure the ACLU is already considering litigation against Tom Ford for his discriminatory practices ()
Great point sister
sc,am I to understand from your quote
"If the church was as it should be then it wouldn't be looking and acting like the world"
that you believe the vast majority of the blood bought church of the living God is carnal and worldly and has little interest in the things of God? That people like yourself who stand for godliness and standards and are against compromise are the exception to rule?
sc, I am curious as to how you are able to tell what happens in multiple churches across our country to be able to make a blanket statement about the church. I can only speak from my own experience. In Georgia I was friends with around six pastors and none of what you assert being true of the church was in anyway common in their churches.
From my experience, I would say that a very minuscule percentage of born again Christians have any idea of what you are aware of concerning the upcoming holiday.
There is nothing wrong with putting children in sports, if anything the Bible supports it (I Corinthians 9:24-27) as a good way to learn self-discipline.
I would like to know how you know that divorce is "common" among Christians? How many happened before they were saved?
Last, I have been in my current church (which also doesn't have the things of which you speak) for a tad over a year. I could tell you the testimony of many members, the physical afflictions with which they suffer, in some cases where they work, their burdens for lost loved ones, things that go on in their families, but I couldn't tell you what anyone of them views on tv other than the local news. Where do you find time to talk with people about such mundane things?
I still don't agree with the false premise that Christians sat idly by and did and/or said nothing for the past half century or more and therefore we have this perverseness being displayed by the world. The people who postulate this have no proof to back up their position. Churches preached against immorality and loose standards all during that period. We should not confuse the professing church with the possessing one. The way the world advertises is because they are the world. They know not God, there is no fear of God before their eyes, the lust of their father they will do. It is not because the church winks at sinful behavior. They don't care what is preached from the pulpits of godly pastors across this nation. They don't market their product to people with godly standards. If you want a biblical explanation for this it is because in the last days men become worse and worse. It is because it will be like the days of Noah when every imagination of men's heart was evil continually. We need to stop blaming Christians for the actions of the world. Show me in the Bible where God does.
I agree, we all need to pursue holiness, increase mortification and grow in our love to God. But we are not to blame for the actions of those on the broad path to destruction.
4. One of the marks of a true believer is their focus on things above. (Colossians 3:1&2) They seek first God's kingdom and see this world as their passage not their portion. They look for a city whose builder and make is God and confess they are strangers and pilgrims on this earth. (Hebrews 11) John, you focus for years has been on what your earthly plans are. I don't ever recall you stating any excitement that you will be with Jesus and enjoy your present fellowship with Him. I don't ever recall your disdain for sin and longing for greater mortification in your life. Jesus seems like nothing more than an add on that you carry with you like a crucifix, not your Lord and your God whom you long to serve, please, and glorify.
Please give these things some consideration. (a typical parroted response would show you chose not to) If any are in Christ, old things (like their false religious system) pass away and all things become new. No growth is an indication of no life. These were not written as a list of things you should do (Titus 3:5-8), but as things that are manifestations of the work of grace in the life of a true believer. (Philippians 2:12,13)
3. One of the marks of being born from above is a love for God's Word. (I Peter 2:2) The psalmist said twice (119:104,128) the influence of God's Word made him HATE every false way. He didn't tolerate it, live with it, make excuses for it, find ways to incorporate it in his life, he hated it. You obviously love the RCC and its false way. Note what I John 2 tells, he that says I know Him (I was saved by going forward and accepting Christ) and keeps NOT His commandment is a liar and the truth is not in him! Your lack of desire to obey the Word of God for over 2 decades further proof of no genuine conversion in your life.
2. The Bible says if we don't have the Spirit (Romans 8) we are not Christ's. The Lord Jesus said the Spirit guides in truth. You stay where clear error is taught and have no qualms. You also laud the RCC as worshipers of the true God (they are not, they are of their Father the devil) as Jesus pointed out to those who wrongly thought they were worshipers of the true God in His day, that in vain do they worship the true God, substituting for doctrine the commandments of men. (Matthew 15:9) John reminded us that true children of God walk in the truth. (3 John 4) Jesus said truth from God's Word was a method of our sanctification, not falsehood from a man made religion. Your desire to stay in a false system speaks to no genuine Spirit of truth within. Another indication you have not the Spirit and you are therefore not Christ's.
Here is the issue John Yurich. The Bible commands all to examine ourselves whether we be in the faith and make our calling and election sure. There are many passages in Scripture that help us in our evaluation.
May we consider a few
1. Your contention that when you partake mass, you are changing what it is because of what you tell yourself in your mind. That is like a person who is an adulterous relationship saying that during the intimate part of his relationship with his mistress he pretends she is his wife, so he isn't really committing adultery. It is a violation of the teaching of Isaiah 5:20-21 because you are calling evil good and when you criticize those who tell you it is wrong to partake in the mass, you are calling good evil You are putting light for darkness. The woe is to them that are wise in their own eyes and prudent in their own sight.
three more, Lord willing, later as I will run out of characters if I don't split them up a point at a time.
John Yurich USA wrote: I have mentioned numerous times on here the errors of the Catholic Church.
Not too impressive since this is a Reformed website where the vast majority of posters abhor the Catholic church and its blasphemous teachings.
The Bible states from the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. You sit in SILENCE to the false and damnable doctrines in which you, by your own admission, partake on a weekly basis. One must conclude, based on Scriptural teaching, that would be because it is not in your heart. The apostles stated, "For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard" and Paul's command to Timothy for addressing false teachers was to reprove and rebuke them. Not speaking out shows what is really in your heart.
Your fruit is one of continuation of the RCC sacramental way to "salvation." You have stated you will not stop and even go further into it with the handling of your marriage and your child rearing. Your heart shows your lack of regeneration.
You got "saved" and went right back to your old way of life. see II Peter 2:19-22
Hell is a place of eternal torment from which there is no escape, Repent before it is everlasting too late.
Thanks Kev. I believe that those she has said are "literalist", would agree with Paul Washer, and as you brought up, also agree with what was said by John Gill, the Geneva study Bible and Matthew Henry. I don't think there are literalist that believe there are no allegorical portions of Scripture. Obviously, I am not omniscient, so there may be some out there, but I have never heard of or met any. She used a straw man argument, and that is not like her, she is very solid in almost all posts and responses and bases her thoughts on Scripture and reason.
J4J, though, imo, mistaken in his thinking and application, has one thing going for him. He is persistent, he never deviates from his beliefs no matter what is said. Thus, I tend to stay out of discussions he initiates with his comments. He started this whole thing out with his provocative comment on the Reformed Church and their thoughts on the Covenant with Israel, which had nothing to do with the article.
I certainly don't blame dear sister ladybug from washing her hands of the whole thing and being done with it, I certainly was not trying to argue with her but was trying to admonish, sorry if I came across wrong.