Thank you for your response, sc. I hesitate to write this. Your premise is flawed. Just because a person goes to or watches a NBA game doesn't mean they idolize it anymore than a person who has season passes to the Opera mean they idolize it or just because one is a philatelist does not mean they idolizes stamps.
This is no small thing the state is doing. Like most states and cities their budgets are tight. They are sticking to the stuff and losing millions of dollars (remember Indiana caved under similar pressure), hardly just doing that which is reasonable.
Churches in Iowa by the hundreds are being told they cannot follow their religious beliefs by the LBGT crowd, number under threat by the NBA, zero. Christians are losing their livelihood (bakers, florists, bed and breakfast inns, wedding chapels) by the scores to the LBGT crowd, number that lost it due to pressure from the NBA, zero.
You are losing track of the big picture, which many have stated. As I said, you are more than welcome to your inaccurate assessment, just know that that is what it is.
BWS wrote: Time to choose. Fortune 500 companies and professional sports and media organisations are all in full agreement and are opposed to Christians Who oppose homosexual Behavior
I agree we should stand against evil. But using your standard you run into a huge problem. According to the Corporate Equality Index which gives out scores for how companies favor LGBTQ policies (100% being a top score) you soon realize you live in a secular world. They say that 89% of employers they rated provide employment protections of the basis of sexual orientation and 87% on gender identity. High scores go out to almost everyone of the medical insurance providers (probably includes the one you use); your car manufacturer; your supermarket (it also includes almost all the companies that provide the products they sell); more than likely it includes your internet provider; your cellphone manufacturer and provider; the stores where you buy your clothing; your drugstore; where you buy your gas (not Exxon); the search engine you use; any hotel at which you stay; your credit card company; your bank; most government agencies with which you deal;your utility company; etc, etc, etc.
The realization is this world is not our home but we do live in it.
We live in a secular not a Christian society. Do you fault your town for being against theft? If someone broke into your place and stole your computer, would you be down on the local police because they also have places that sell liquor in your town and the same police would help them if someone broke in to their place of business and stole their computer? Were you aware that the pro football hall of fame is in Ohio? Did you know the current NBA champions make their home in Ohio?
Why do I ask? Because if you went to someplace to buy a dress, I am pretty sure you would appreciate it if the store had a policy to keep men out of the ladies restrooms and changing rooms, even though they are in Ohio. I would think you'd be glad for standards within our secular society when you can imagine what it would be like if they had none.
Whatever you wish, sc, it is your life to live. You come across as one who thinks people should get what you think they deserve. Aren't you glad we don't always get what we deserve? It just seems if we are going to be down on the evils in society, which we should be, then we also should be happy if we see a change for the better. (see I Kings 21:27-29)
Here we have a state (not Charlotte they already enacted a pro-transgender ordinance which the state law overturned) that is not succumbing to vast economic pressure (an all-star game would pour millions into the local economy) and we have people criticizing them?
The state is turning a deaf ear to pressure from the NBA (which people are saying is the right thing to do) but the posters don't agree with MS and others? Strange indeed.
sc, who is the "they" and "them" about whom you are speaking? If it is the NBA, sorry, then your post then makes no sense. Why would "they" be considered "moral fabric" by someone because they support "transgender rights" and pulled out of North Carolina for their all-star game? I would think that N.C. should be patted on the back for their so called bathroom bill, don't you?
NOSEY wrote: How anyone claiming to be converted and supposedly having the mind of Christ, can vote for man
Why think the ballot has more power than prayer and preaching the Gospel?
Enough with the sanctimony. No one here has ever thought that their hope lies in putting all their eggs in the political basket and hoping for a great outcome. You also appear to think that no one here believes in evangelism and prayer, except of course, you. You say you are from the USA, well then, time to wake up. We have a political process that is supposed to allow us to vote for people who believe in limited government. The most troublesome things that are being handed to us as a tough pill to swallow are coming via executive order or judicial fiat. If you don't want to participate in a process that God has allowed here, fine. The Cubans and Chinese also have no say so in their government and would probably relish the God given opportunity you have chosen to disdain.
John UK wrote: Me too, bro. One thing that amazing grace achieves in anyone's heart, is to bring him to understand that he is a wretch before God, condemned already, a rebel and an affront to God.
Thanks brother John UK
I read you might be moving to London
Prime London property agents expect the price tag to range from Â£8000-Â£9,000 per square ft. That would mean a buyer snapping up the whole residential site paying as much as Â£150 million, once stamp duty of over Â£16 million and fees were accounted for.
I see words in her and Michelle's speech that would be uttered by thousands across our land if they were talking about what values they were taught by their parents when growing up. Particularly children of their age group.
Rodney K. wrote: The original title of "Amazing Grace" was "Faith's Review and Expectation." John Newton wrote it to accompany his New Year's Morning sermon (January 1, 1773). His text was: 1 Chronicles 17:16,17 "And David the king came and sat before the LORD, and said, Who am I, O LORD God, and what is mine house, that thou hast brought me hitherto? (17) And yet this was a small thing in thine eyes, O God; for thou hast also spoken of thy servant's house for a great while to come, and hast regarded me according to the estate of a man of high degree, O LORD God." You can find his sermon notes here . (Worth reading and pondering)
Thanks for the link brother Rodney
Been enriched by enjoying the songs of the redeemed since my last post. Praise God for His undeserved blessings!!
Tell you what, I am thankful with Mr. Newton for the amazing grace that saved a wretch like me!
s c wrote: I understand that "Amazing Grace" is not a contemporary song but,that it omits Jesus,the source of our grace,is much akin to CCM.
The Lord has promised good to me, His Word my hope secures; He will my Shield and Portion be, As long as life endures.
The earth shall soon dissolve like snow, The sun forbear to shine; But God, who called me here below, Will be forever mine.
John Newton mentions God in the song and it would be understood that the grace of God that brings salvation comes through Jesus Christ. The words, was blind but now I see, are found in John 9 by the blind from birth man as he was talking about Jesus. I don't believe that the song omits Jesus as the source of grace. At least that is the way I see it.
Christopher000 wrote: Good morning, Penny. I appreciate your passion on certain topics, but I read through the thread and don't understand the anger towards US. I think he's one of the most consistently friendly posters here, always being careful to fully explain himself and be kind while doing so. I usually wouldn't say anything, but he's one of the few who will speak up for others when appropriate, so I figured I would return it to him.
Thanks you Christopher for your more than gracious words. Appreciate you as a poster and think your explanation of me really fits thee. We all know this is Penny's passion, I don't think she meant any anger towards me, God bless.
penned wrote: is there a conscience searing going on here?? Who on God's green earth is there not Godly sorrow for this?
I am being consistent. I will tell you, just like I have shared before with others, Christians are not responsible for the actions of the unsaved. Yes, we try to be of those, "...that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof." By the grace of God, we mourn our own sins and lament our lack of love for One who was wounded for our transgressions and bruised for our iniquities. We thank God that despite our weakness and lack of faith, His mercies are still new every morning and thank Him daily that He knows our frame and remembers that we are but dust and offers forgiveness.
It is one thing to encourage the brethren to avoid vaccinations it is quite another to make the false accusation that evangelicals are the greatest participants in the fetal body part trade. You are entitled to your opinion, you asked for a response, I am just letting you know, (not from anger or any guilt) I don't share your views and gave you reasons why. I trust you will respect that. God bless.
First, thanks to all for support and kind words, may God richly bless you this day for His glory. I am sure pennelope meant nothing demeaning or vindictive.
pennelope, out of deep respect, love, and appreciation for you I normally do not get into the discussions on these issues about which you are passionate. I know you will never see things the way I do and I will never see things the way you do, so my standard response is to just stay away and not post when these things come up. I probably shouldn't have jumped on this one but I know you have no way of showing that "evangelicals" are promoting vaccines and you know the vast majority of people who have their children vaccinated, whether saved or unsaved, have no knowledge of what is "taught" at the websites you frequent. Right or wrong they are just trusting what their doctors recommend, they are NOT promoting fetal body part trade. You also know that they current MMR vaccine that is made from a fetal cell line is from one that is over 50 years old and not part of the current Planned Parenthood issues on selling baby parts which is what this article addresses.
"Of the many lies told by anti-vaccination advocates, this is one of the worst, because it hits on a real moral issue. However, anyone with a modicum of training in biology will tell you that it is impossible for vaccines (or any other injected medicine) to contain human tissue. The reason is simple: if you are injected with anything containing tissue from another person, your body will immediately recognize it as an invader and begin attacking it. This immune response is often quite radical and can easily lead to death! This is why blood from a donor to a recipient must be carefully matched before the recipient can receive it. Thus, there is no human tissue of any kind in vaccines. Unfortunately, the anti-vaccination movement (and even some naive pro- life groups) will try to convince the uninformed that vaccines contain tissue from aborted babies and that abortions must be continually done to supply this tissue to the "evil" drug companies. This is, of course, a bald-faced lie. Unfortunately, this lie is particularly evil, in that it targets a person's morally correct view that abortion is murder."
1517 wrote: Dolores, As Christians, is there such a thing as a good "lesser evil"? When given a choice between two evils, as Spurgeon proclaimed, we are to choose neither. They are both EVIL choices. Besides, it is gross presumption to believe Trump is somehow better because he "says" he will do this or that.
Could you name one election where we are not choosing between the lesser of two evils?
Christ Our Hope wrote: And yet after all is said and done, (and argued), it still remains true that (if)... "Alcohol abuse has caused caused untold misery, disease, sorrow and death in our cultures, why do people continue to flirt with such a trouble maker, especially when there are so many safe alternative beverages available nowadays?"
I hope you realize that less than a handful of any who are involved in this discussion actually drink any alcoholic beverages. We just don't unjustly condemn those who drink in moderation or try to twist the Scriptures to fit our viewpoint. No one is condoning drunkenness and all the evils associated with it. We agree with the church that removed the pastor from his position for not repenting of his sin. We just hope by the grace of God to rightly divide the Word of Truth and to uphold our brothers and sisters in Christ who are being maligned through faulty logic and sanctimonious opinions which do not line up with the teachings of the Bible. What you are seeing is a love for the Scripture and a love for our brethren, not a defense of abusing alcohol.
Andrea I would put my voice in with those who see the wisdom of avoiding the beach due to the immodest attire of the women folk there. (not that men are dressed any better) Given what I have heard that European beaches are much less restrictive in what they allow than here in U.S., it would seem like an even worse choice. Please correct me if I am wrong on that.
As to what why women select certain swimsuits, because I am a male I would have no idea as I have never bought any such thing, and I certainly wouldn't ask females why they were. However, it is safe to say that someone who is a female would already be familiar with this reasoning.
Also please note my comment from 7/12 4:49 p.m. Or do the research yourself. A cluster of grapes ferments due to natural yeast already on them within 2 weeks if not sooner when there is no refrigeration. They require no assistance to ferment. You would do well to not shoot from the hip as it makes you appear like you don't know what you're talking about. Just some friendly advice
s c wrote: "wherein is excess" is describing the quality of all alcohol,in this case wine.
First, posted before in previous thread, just want to follow up.
I know you stated sc that it was important to obey God's Word, which all of us would agree. One I would recommend you consider would be, "as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise." (Luke 6:31) You required that everyone should read your link (about wine) and even scolded those who you thought had not done so. We are all aware of your disdain for duplicity. So, I give you again the links that Observer put in his post for you to read as you have time.
If you have already read the material, my apologies for the redundancy, if not I am sure that you would want to be faithful to obeying what our Lord taught.
btw the way wherein is an adverb
a word or phrase that modifies or qualifies an adjective, verb, or other adverb
Notice it doesn't modify a noun, like wine, so it cannot be describing quality of any alcohol. It acts a qualifier for drunk, thus implying being drunk with wine is due to excess of drinking it.
Thus you won't find any commentary that sees it your way