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looks like we could cut cost by 80% by eliminating the program and just giving people a voucher worth up to $10,000 to buy their own insurance.
Your site, Mother Jones, is a great source Jim. They criticize Senator Inhofe for having the audacity to cite the Bible on the Senate floor and say, "Are You at Risk for a Heart Attack? The Answer May Lie in Your Twitter Stream."
s c wrote: Klem and Frank,thank you both for your comments.Tragically,very true. It's difficult to even try to make visits at the ones near me. They go out of their way to prevent anyone from trying to extend a hand to those gentle souls in their nursing homes. And,sadly,a lot of pastors have no interest in visiting unless it's to have a singing group "entertain" them for an hour.I'm sure that there must be a special place in hell for those who do not repent of having mistreated the weak and vulnerable.
Dear sister sc, hope all is going well for you in the frigid north.
having spent much time visiting shut-ins within nursing homes, I would have to say that groups that come out and "entertain" them with music (both sacred and secular) are well received and appreciated by the residents.
Brother Frank I found a position that quinary and gang can agree with and put the discussion to rest
-Christ suffered âfor the redemption of mankindâ or âfor the salvation of the human race.â
-He ordained that Christ should be the Redeemer, who would deliver the lost race of man from ruin.
-When he says âthe sin of the world,â he extends this kindness indiscriminately to the whole human race
-He was condemned for our sinsâŚto expiate all sins.
-By Christâs death âall the sins of the world have been expiated.â God commends to us the salvation of all men without exception, even as Christ suffered for the sins of the whole world. Wipe away the iniquities of the world.69
-Burdened with the sins of the whole world... On him was laid the guilt of the whole world. Our Lord Jesus was offered to all the worldâŚsuffered for all.
-He must be the Redeemer of the world...God is satisfied and appeased, for he bore all the wickednesses and all the iniquities of the world.
-Christ was there in the place of all sinners.
There you go, God richest blessing to you brother.
Thomas the Doubter wrote: Do you have any thoughts of your own..
1 Timothy 5:17-18
Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. For the scripture saith, thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.
clearly teaches pay for those who labor in the Word
I Corinthians 9:13,14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
they make their living because of their work in the gospel
In II Thessalonians Paul said they had power to expect pay for their labor in the ministry
Whether they have degree or not.
Colossians 3:23,24 And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men; Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.
also taught in Ephesians 6
So, my brother, for you to be consistent with what you are advocating then you need to stop receiving pay for your labor because God will reward you.
Psalm 139:1,13-16 O Lord, You have searched me and known me. For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my motherâs womb. I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Wonderful are Your works, And my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth; Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; And in Your book were all written The days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was not one of them
I Samuel 4:20
And about the time of her death the women who stood by her said to her, "Do not be afraid, for you have given birth to a son." But she did not answer or pay attention
Then they journeyed from Bethel; and when there was still some distance to go to Ephrath, Rachel began to give birth and she suffered severe labor. When she was in severe labor the midwife said to her, âDo not fear, for now you have another son.â It came about as her soul was departing (for she died), that she named him Ben-oni; but his father called him Benjamin.
Thomas the Doubter wrote: If they are not readily willing to do it absolutely free then they are undeserving of the title they possess. However people who agree with you believe that since they hold a seminary degree they are entitled to a better than average living. A piece of paper from a seminary, which is just a business too, does not entitle you to special treatment. Let them do it for free.
I Timothy 5:17-18 I Corinthians 9:9-14 II Thessalonians 3:7-10 are good references when we consider paying the preacher.
Frank wrote: Now my pleasant fellow I think you should read your comment to Jim from Lincoln and then repeat it while you look in the mirror. Yes, 4/5 of a truth is not the whole truth, but I still believe you can be saved and in the body of Christ even though you are missing the whole truth and only have 4/5. See how kind and loving I can be. I also got a kick out of your comment that you "taught" someone something. What I mean is if you taught Jim that, then apparently he didn't listen very well. Of course you realize. Thanks your comment was very well said.
Of course brother Frank the given on the statement is that 5 point Calvinism and the assertions of the Synod of Dordt equals truth. Seeing that cannot be established without subjective interpretation of the Scriptures, we throw out the premise and say quinary will have find a different measure for determining if one is born from above. We have the words of our Lord why would we want a man made standard that was non-existent before the 17th century and made by a body whose members were not all Christians (many politicians) nor Bible scholars?
pennnned wrote: Unprofitable Servant, if you believe something different than the interviews of the CIA and generals and such that researched this, if you want to believe the better that they are conspiring to lie here and that the Republicans aren't set to bury the information, then feel free to post and defend it. To ask me to give remedy to what you deny is just silly, I've tried to graciously drop this question, but why would I engage in a solution with someone who doesn't demonstrate knowledge of the subject nor the desire to dig deeper into it? let's not bring the personal into this and stick to the topic! Again, the "antiIsrael" requires me to defend myself, which again is silly because WND tends to be Zionistic.
forgive my skepticism when they say 11 people talked and only one is quoted.
I am not even trying to say the info is inaccurate, just would like to see a more credible dissemination of it.
Will stop with the questions about what you think should be done.
dear sister ladybug. The article is about the Duggars being part of the march on Washington You stated that abortion will not be stopped by protest, pickets and platforms. So, I wasn't trying to go down a rabbit trail, I was commenting on what you were stating. If you weren't stating that such action was meaningless then I apologize for missing your point. You then stated that putting laws on the books will not change sinners and we are not called to put a stop to sin. I am fully in agreement with that statement but that doesn't mean that putting laws on the books is a worthless act. Again not a rabbit trail.
Your implication was what was being done was not being done biblically. Paul stopped a Roman examination on him by using the law system in which he lived. He saved his life by telling a centurion of a plot, again using the governmental system in which he lived. So, I am saying using the parameters of the governmental system in which we live is Biblical. It is no substitute for preaching the gospel to the lost.
We should pray that laws passed will be a help and not a hindrance to living a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
This world is not our home, so we are to be content in whatever state in which we find ourselves.
ladybug, laws that protect life and property are good. We live in a nation where we have the right to peaceable assembly, free speech and the right to vote. That is the system in which God in His providence has placed us. Paul wasn't afraid to use the rights granted him within the system in which he operated. We know that the thief's actions proceed from his heart, but we still put locks on our doors to deter him. Even Romans 13 says rulers are to be a terror to evil and not one to good.
Strengthening and enforcing laws against abortion and human trafficking are useful and helpful.
This was the whole idea behind giving longer terms to those elected by state legislatures and not popular vote than those representatives who had to cater to their constituents because they faced a job review every two years. People marching by the thousands in support of a position should be a positive sign to the legislature to vote responsibly or face a "firing" squad at the next election. Does it work? Maybe not always but we have 2% of the population being the squeaky wheel and forcing their agenda on the rest of us, so it must have some effect.
I heartily agree we need more preaching of the gospel and the salvation of sinners to see a true change in society.
pennnned wrote: Unprofitable Servant, have you even read the article to this topic yet? Source: WND, above article "The Citizenâs Commission on Benghaziâs interim report, in a paragraph titled 'Changing sides in the War on Terror,' alleges 'the U.S. was fully aware of and facilitating the delivery of weapons to the Al Qaeda-dominated rebel militias throughout the 2011 rebellion.'â I'm just wondering what the confusion is.
why is there no copy of the report to read and what is an interim report?
Again, you choose not to say what we should do with the information. Let just say you and all the other sources you use are correct, are you saying the CIA is purposefully training people to kill, rape and wipe out Christians in the Middle East? Are you saying the Arabs would be peace loving people except for our money? Are you saying they have no visible means of support other than us?
I have never said we have the world's best foreign policy is seems to be trial and error and all we are finding out is what not to do. (although Obama keeps failed policies going)But I get the impression you and SteveR won't be happy until the forum is anti America, anti Israel and anti "evangelicals". Am I way off base?
1517 wrote: Christopher, You can't be serious.Gays and lesbians should be allowed to be who they are and marry who they want? That is not a biblical or Christian statement at all. LGBT lifestyle is a chosen curse, an affront to God himself.
Have reported the comment, it didn't come for our Christopher. We are back to people stealing monikers to make comments.
pennned wrote: what to do? see how far back this new order goes and when you see that Bush and the Bin Laden family friendship and AQ as a tactic go back a generation.... then repent for what we have done to our grandchildren. ah, but that won't happen. its all the democrats fault, right? so on and on it goes, there's gotta be another election coming up, right? ya that'll save us!
so your suggestion is make sure the proper people get blamed and then all will be well?
Will try to be concise. Michael H brought up a good point that man is responsible for his own actions and sc brought a good point when she said we should avoid feeding the flesh and instead should feed our faith.
I think we could learn from Joseph in this area.
He feared God (how can I do this evil and sin against God) He fought temptation. (she approached him often) He fled youthful lusts. (avoiding opportunities to fulfill the lust of the flesh)
Last, we need to be careful not to condemn our brethren so quickly who fall, God said David was a man after His own heart and he fell in this area. Just a reminder to us to watch and pray that we enter not into temptation.
I Peter 5:8,9 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
The young lady didn't say she wore scanty attire (shorts, swimsuits, etc) The article doesn't contain her whole blog, maybe she addresses that in there. I didn't even know what leggings were, I though they were lengthy socks, did not realize they had morphed into pants. Me thinks we should be glad that the young lady is making a stand for modesty.
Little Tommy wrote: I believe that... the US Supreme Court will rule that homosexual marriages are constitutional
Thanks for your post, LT. We have before proved that whether or not your church is registered 501c3 it is considered by the government to be under the regulations of 501c3. So, while it is a good idea to lose the status, it matters not in the government's eyes. I think it would be stunning for your prediction to come true. To this point the SCOTUS has taken all previous cases and turned the ruling back to the states. In the SCOTUS world precedent means a lot. But then again who would have ever thought they would have ruled they way they did on Obamacare. (Jim from Lincoln must have some pull up there)
However I do believe the scenario you have painted to be the future of churches in America. I will be the first to admit though I cannot predict the future and could be way off. It looks like just a matter of time before judges in all states will have overturned laws against same sex marriage. Making it illegal to "discriminate" against transgenders would be next and then legalizing incest. The church will go underground, like in China, and all our complaints about false believers will dwindle to a minimum.
Of course, Frank, Tulip would be a big proponent of infant baptism or saying the COG make infants elect. Let us see who agrees with Tulip's confession. From a well documented Wikipedia article.
Denominations that practise infant baptism include the Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Armenian Apostolic Church, Assyrian Church of the East, the Anglican churches, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists, some Church of the Nazarene, the Reformed Church in America, the United Church of Canada, the United Church of Christ (UCC), and the Continental Reformed.