Franklin Graham and the family business is not of Christianity. By their 'come on down' and make a human decision - Which they preach God will obey, the Graham's practice the same old Roman salvation by self action.
Jesus states; 16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you" = Thus Jesus confirms TULIP at Unconditional Election.
Jesus states; 19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. = Thus Jesus confirms TULIP at Limited Atonement.
Frank wrote: Now since you said that my confession of faith was the same as the RC's and other cults' confession of faith, this will indeed end with this post
What I said was that the RCC JW's etc will make that same confession - If this is news to you then you may need to study the range of religious doctrines around. The devil as they say is in the detail. The point that history has brought about which comes under Calvinism and its counterpart Arminianism is dealing with detail in theology. What we were doing Frank was debate. If you do not want to support your position then so be it. God bless.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: Tulip would be a big proponent of infant baptism or saying the COG make infants elect.
Well of course UPS. These are Biblical facts and the truth as taught in Christian doctrine from the Bible. Remember that these little points of difference illustrate the conflict in the church since the beginning. A conflict which will separate the truth from heresy. Perhaps even the elect from the reprobate? God knows. God bless.
Frank wrote: If your thoughts are similar to the above, then we are brothers in Christ. If you respond negatively to my comment, I will ignore you forever, but I don't think you will
The real problem Frank, is that the Roman Catholics, JW's Arminians and uncle tom cobbley and all will agree with your confession. Human confession is easily come by as Jesus points out at Matthew 7:21-23. But that is not the point is it? What we were discussing is the difference between Calvinism and Arminian - viz Bible doctrine versus heresy. Christians obey and follow the Bible. Nominal Christians and hypocrites will say that they do the same. False witness surrounds us in society and the world. We must deal with it.
The Synod of Dordt dealt with the conflict between the Calvinist (Reformed Church) and the Arminian heretics. That is historic fact.
Many churches today follow the Arminian heresy and so heresy is taught and popular in society. What are the true Christians to do?
We can teach "give ALL the sovereignty to God" "Sin is a complete barrier to salvation" and "Christ's atonement paid only for the elect of God" - NOT for all the world as some might have us believe.
We should thank God for the Calvinist Bible doctrines which teach so precisely the Word of God and truth to contend for the faith as HE has commanded.
The Calvinist doctrine of Sovereignty where they teach absolute sovereignty instead of the half hearted free will humanistic philosophy.
The Calvinist doctrine of total depravity of sin instead of the diminished frail and weak sin which prevents nothing, and allows man to arrogantly save himself.
The Calvinist doctrine of Limited Atonement which teaches as the Bible provides that Christ died only for the elect whom God foreknew and predestined. Instead of the selfish man concocted fiction that HE died for the reprobate, a pretext which seeks only to diminish the justice and righteousness of God.
God predestines and elects HIS Remnant church. God knows His sheep and will save them. John 10:27 "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me" Look - No need for human input:- Eph 1:11 predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will" The prayers of Jesus are:- John 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Arminians please note Christ states "NOT for the WORLD"
Michael Hranek wrote: I am speaking of an attitude in theology that only looks things one way, in this case "T.U.L.I.P."
Michael the reason why - to all Christians - that there is only one way is because the Bible IS the ONE way.
TULIP of course is known by 'all Christians' as the Biblical Doctrines of Grace. These emanate from the great debate at Dordrecht between real Christians - And Arminian heretics.
You really need to get a copy of the Canons of Dordt which will improve your theology no end.
John UK wrote: Can't be, not with all those baby baptisms, covenant children, unregenerate membership.
You never cease to amaze John, how that by changing the Bible's teaching on the Covenant of Grace at Genesis 17 - You guys try to maintain the unbiblical tradition of the Anabaptists dunking and Arminian confession. And because you ditch part of the Bible you call yourselves the real church? Now that isn't even logical never mind theological is it John? BTW Jesus is the Mediator of the Covenant of Grace - He was for Abraham and continues to be so today. So John, Who is your mediator?
Michael Hranek wrote: I am NOT a Protestant. That FALSE Christians often disquise themselves in the clothing of 'Reformed' and 'Ecumenical'
Well Michael considering your recent admission to salvation by works which is a Roman Catholic leftover, naturally you are not a Protestant. The Reformed Church is the true church of God and Christ which God ordained in the Reformation. But your popish position is holding you back from the true doctrines and from giving all the glory to God. By robbing Crucified Christ Jesus of His divine rights of Solo Christo, Sola Gratia and Soli Deo Gloria - You are blaspheming God and His Son. Repent!!
"In some ways, the Sunni/Shiite divide is similar to divisions between Protestants and Catholics â€” both are Christians, but with different ways of understanding and worshipping"
I don't suppose we can expect the Washington Post to know the difference between Roman Catholics and real Christians. But then we could go into Jehovah's Witnesses, Charismatics, Pentecostals, Liberals and uncle tom cobbley and all.
All we need remember is that Faith being the gift of God is only given by God to His disciples. So the many religionists who play at church can only be a parody of the true Church.
Thus those who are outside the true Church are Totally Depraved. The true Church of course are Unconditionally Elected. Christ's redeeming work for the elect is of course a Limited Atonement. The efficacious inner call is by Irresistible Grace. And finally the elect Persevere to the end only by the Grace of God. (T.U.L.I.P.)
Why John!! Have you forgotten the Lord's doctrine on election? Our Sovereign and omniscient God is in complete charge of who gets saved and received into the Kingdom of God.
Election and Limited Atonement... Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction"
This is one which will also defeat Boris Johnson and his worldly friends the sodomites, - "vessels of wrath fitted to destruction."
"I speak for many when I say that I have not always embraced the doctrines of grace or what is commonly called Calvinism. Its actually unfortunate that a man's name is associated with the doctrines that came out of the Protestant Reformation. Calvin was not the first to articulate these truths, but merely was the chief systematizer of such doctrines. There was actually nothing in Calvin that was not first seen in Luther, and much of Luther was first found in Augustine. Luther was an Augustinian monk, of course. We would also naturally affirm that there was nothing in any of these men that was not first found in Paul and Peter and John in the New Testament" (John Samson)
John UK wrote: The expression "Biblical Calvinists" is itself unbiblical. Ye'll not find it anywhere in scripture bro.
I definitely find Calvinism in the Scriptures.
And I'm not the only one. Eg. "The late lamented Mr. Denham has put, at the foot of his portrait, a most admirable text, "Salvation is of the Lord." That is just an epitome of Calvinism; it is the sum and substance of it. If anyone should ask me what I mean by a Calvinist, I should reply, "He is one who says, Salvation is of the Lord." I cannot find in Scripture any other doctrine than this. It is the essence of the Bible. "He only is my rock and my salvation" (CHS)
"And what is the heresy of Arminianism but the addition of something to the work of the Redeemer? Every heresy, if brought to the touchstone, will discover itself here. I have my own private opinion that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else. (CHS)
The answer is the Perseverance of the Saints which is the 'P' in TULIP.
The WCF addresses this in Chapter 17:- 1. They whom God hath accepted in his Beloved, effectually called and sanctified by his Spirit, can neither totally nor finally fall away from the state of grace; but shall certainly persevere therein to the end, and be eternally saved.a
a. John 10:28-29; Phil 1:6; 1 Pet 1:5, 9; 2 Pet 1:10; 1 John 3:9.
2. This perseverance of the saints depends, not upon their own free will, but upon the immutability of the decree of election, flowing from the free and unchangeable love of God the Father;a upon the efficacy of the merit and intercession of Jesus Christ;b the abiding of the Spirit and of the seed of God within them;c and the nature of the covenant of grace d from all which ariseth also the certainty and infallibility thereof.e
a. Jer 31:3; 2 Tim 2:18-19. â€˘ b. Luke 22:32; John 17:11, 24; Heb 7:25; 9:12-15; 10:10, 14; 13:20-21; Rom 8:33-39. â€˘ c. John 14:16-17; 1 John 2:27; 3:9. â€˘ d. Jer 32:40. â€˘ e. John 10:28; 2 Thes 3:3; 1 John 2:19.
Elise wrote: Thanks RP, but what do you do when in the C of S the Minister follows the flow and thinks all will be well in a year and a half...
Pray for the poor remnant that will include 'some' leaving ministers. It will not be well with any in Scotland that oppose Christ's Covenanted interests. Last night after reading the post that preceded yours, I slept on Psalm 1. Because I don't know you or your situation it the best place to start. Do not walk in the counsel of the ungodly (those who do not with filial fear & trembling keep first table commandments; no one justified is without a measure of sanctification), nor stand in the way of sinners, (second table violators, for they will effect you), nor sit in the seat of the scornful (if you've avoid the first two you shouldn't get too close to the last, but these are evil days), the only thing a scorner should do is make you glad that God has shown you so much mercy, then consider their end, Jude: 17-25 Remember the Lord is your Shepherd. 'His sheep' will hear His voice and follow Him, not the voice of a stranger. Spend much time meditating in the Scripture. Fear not and trust the Lord even when it must be as feebly as Sarah did, because it pleased God to give her example.
Psalm 90: 1Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations. 2Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God. 3Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men. 4For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night. 5Thou carriest them away as with a flood; they are as a sleep: in the morning they are like grass which groweth up. 6In the morning it flourisheth, and groweth up; in the evening it is cut down, and withereth. 7For we are consumed by thine anger, and by thy wrath are we troubled. 8Thou hast set our iniquities before thee, our secret sins in the light of thy countenance. 9For all our days are passed away in thy wrath: we spend our years as a tale that is told. 10The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away. 11Who knoweth the power of thine anger? even according to thy fear, so is thy wrath. 12So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom. 13Return, O LORD, how long? and let it repent thee concerning thy servants...to v.17
Presby wrote: Democracy was invented by Calvinist Presbyterians prior to that the nations were led by monarchies.
Now what Reformed Presbyterians would that be? seeing that it contradicts both the Scripture and their historic testimony, recorded by the RP Scotland in The Act Declaration and Testimony as well as the facts of history? Which often are grossly perverted on-line? The House of Commons and House of Lord's preceded the SLC in England. I believe this form of government of which you speak has a longer history then what you assert.
The Pilgrim forefathers for example left for Leiden in God's secret Providence but they were early separatists and though not as culpable as the English separatists later in history, nevertheless they were still in error in some things. I can assure you, however, they were however never in league with the Papacy.
Yet even still there is a Way to return Lam.5:20Wherefore dost thou forget us for ever, and forsake us so long time? 21Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old. But thou has utterly rejected us; thou art very wroth against us. Rom. 1:"18the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them." Rev. 14:1 & 9-12 1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. ... 9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:... 12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."
The purpose of the Laws is to prove the moral perfection of God Romans 7:8 "But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death." For the Antinomian inquirer; Mr. Lincoln.
Jim Lincoln wrote: of course there is no NT reference for Christians
US Constitution.- "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this constitution. Divine Law OT Scripture- Hos.8:4 4They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not: of their silver and their gold have they made them idols, that they may be cut off. Lev. 25:10 NT Scripture- 1 Cor.10:31 Col. 3:17 "And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him." compliments of the Reformed Presbytery March 1843
2 Thess. 2:8-12 "And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom 1. the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth,
and 2. shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."