"And deep-seated cultural codes, religious beliefs and structural biases have to be changed."
"Religious beliefs have to be changed" In a remark like this we see that Hillary is not saved and knows nothing about Christianity and true faith.
Where would a remark such as this come from if she has been brought up in the Methodist church?
Obviously she has been taught by an Arminian church - That is the protestants who copy Rome and believe in a god who is not sovereign and that Christians cooperate with their image of god unto salvation.
So Hillary has some partners in crime right here on these threads.
The Arminian churches and their salvation by works ideology via a lesser god because they are not really that sinful have brought the Roman fallacy into the protestant churches.
This Roman Arminian human religious philosophy has developed in recent decades into what is now called Liberalism.
And subsequently Liberalism rejects the Bible and proclaims reprobate theories such as Hillary's "Religious beliefs have to change" - To accommodate mans sinful evil and satanic practices.
So you local Arminians should beware of this evil heresy and learn from real Christian doctrines like the Doctrines of Grace.
John UK wrote: please explain what you mean by DIY salvation in the context of a sinner asking God to have mercy on him and give him eternal life.
The problem with DIY salvation is that in spite of seeking God and His mercy, God provides salvation only to His elect regardless of man's presumed aspirations.
God alone saves. Man in his natural estate does not and can not seek a saviour and salvation. (Dead in sin) Man can not discern spiritually until the Holy Spirit provides him with the gift of faith. Rom 11:7 - "What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded"
Therefore DIY salvation is an oxymoron except in Arminian philosophy. Man seeking Christ before he is called and saved is an oxymoron. Man cannot discern spiritually until God draws him to Christ. God is always first cause. This is the reason why Billy/Franklin Graham calling people down to make a decision for Christ is pure heresy and unbiblical in fact totally impractical.
John UK wrote: Man, you're all over the place. One minute you say a man cannot do anything until he is indwelt by the Spirit, and now you're saying that man can ask God for the Spirit.
Nope John. Not often you're right but you're wrong again. That's not what I said. In his "natural" estate man cannot pray, discern spiritually.
sc wrote: I would take you to task if you are suggesting that one must ask for the indwelling of the Holy Spirit after one has been saved.
But sc; it is not me you need to "take to task" - It is Jesus. He left us with this recorded command. All we poor sinners do is obey. HE knows best.
Quote; "The direction he gives us what to pray for. We must ask for the Holy Spirit, not only a necessary in order to our praying well, but as inclusive of all the good things we are to pray for; we need no more to make us happy, for the Spirit is the worker of spiritual life, and the earnest of eternal life. Note, The gift of the Holy Ghost is a gift we are every one of us concerned earnestly and constantly to pray for." (Matthew Henry)
sc: Better to ask than to ignore Bible instructions.
John UK wrote: An anonymous, secretive person wants to teach me over the internet? Are you one of those ten thousand instructors? On yer bike, mate.
Strange! You ask the question but refuse to accept the answer. Perhaps you cannot deal with it? __________________________
sc wrote: The Holy Spirit comes to dwell within us at the moment of receiving Christ. It is unnecessary to ask for the Holy Spirit.
So what you are implying is that all these verses, the words of Jesus, are - "not true"? "unnecessary"? EG:: V9 - sc teaches, "No need to ask"???
Luke 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. 10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? 12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? = sc - Do you say Christ is deceiving us here?
John UK wrote: I wonder if you ever ask God for the Holy Spirit, as Jesus intimated? No need to look up the WCF
Do you accept that I am a true Christian John? If I was not then I wouldn't pray anyway. If I was a nominal believer then the prayer would have no effect with God. So Have I prayed the prayer to ask for the Holy Spirit (Luke 11:13) - (Yes) And if so does the Holy Spirit dwell within me?
If I have prayed the prayer and I am one of God's elect, then why do you not believe what I teach you in posts John? For example that the WCF is sound Biblical doctrine teaching?
John; I pray in the Spirit :- Eph 6:18 "Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints"
As the "Sword" instructs me.
Now John; this Arminian problem in the churches. TULIP teaches: 1. Man is powerless under the dominion of sin. 2. God needs no other reason to elect than HIS purpose and HIS plan. 3. God uses the blood of Christ to save the elect. 4. God is omnipotent thus HIS Grace is omnipotent. 5. Without the help of God living this life In Christ "In Faith" would be impossible for the sinner.
Michael Hranek wrote: Thanks for the reminder that "your" RCC has distorted/perverted sought to nullify what the Bible says or have it both ways, lip service to God and in bed with the world that hates Jesus Christ for years
Michael. Doesn't that same criticism apply to the Arminian free willers in the church ranks?
They "nullify Bible" by suggesting people can save themselves or cooperate with God unto salvation.
The Arminian is also "in bed with the world" because he reduces the influence of sin in his theory and demotes God by promoting the sinner to (free will) save himself.
Well Done Jim, you are absolutely right these Roman Arminians are destroying the church and consequently the nation.
Sermon:- "Arminianism: Another Gospel 2 of 2 - Wesley, Moody, Billy Graham, Quotes By Calvin, Spurgeon, Edwards, Owen, Rutherford, et al." http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=111908124030
What we need is less heresy and more good Biblical Calvinism.
The Graham family "come on down" show of Arminian theatrics so that people actually believe their decision coerces God into believing their lies is so far from the truth, that you have to wonder why people are this gullible.
Franklin Graham and the family business is not of Christianity. By their 'come on down' and make a human decision - Which they preach God will obey, the Graham's practice the same old Roman salvation by self action.
Jesus states; 16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you" = Thus Jesus confirms TULIP at Unconditional Election.
Jesus states; 19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. = Thus Jesus confirms TULIP at Limited Atonement.
Frank wrote: Now since you said that my confession of faith was the same as the RC's and other cults' confession of faith, this will indeed end with this post
What I said was that the RCC JW's etc will make that same confession - If this is news to you then you may need to study the range of religious doctrines around. The devil as they say is in the detail. The point that history has brought about which comes under Calvinism and its counterpart Arminianism is dealing with detail in theology. What we were doing Frank was debate. If you do not want to support your position then so be it. God bless.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: Tulip would be a big proponent of infant baptism or saying the COG make infants elect.
Well of course UPS. These are Biblical facts and the truth as taught in Christian doctrine from the Bible. Remember that these little points of difference illustrate the conflict in the church since the beginning. A conflict which will separate the truth from heresy. Perhaps even the elect from the reprobate? God knows. God bless.
Frank wrote: If your thoughts are similar to the above, then we are brothers in Christ. If you respond negatively to my comment, I will ignore you forever, but I don't think you will
The real problem Frank, is that the Roman Catholics, JW's Arminians and uncle tom cobbley and all will agree with your confession. Human confession is easily come by as Jesus points out at Matthew 7:21-23. But that is not the point is it? What we were discussing is the difference between Calvinism and Arminian - viz Bible doctrine versus heresy. Christians obey and follow the Bible. Nominal Christians and hypocrites will say that they do the same. False witness surrounds us in society and the world. We must deal with it.
The Synod of Dordt dealt with the conflict between the Calvinist (Reformed Church) and the Arminian heretics. That is historic fact.
Many churches today follow the Arminian heresy and so heresy is taught and popular in society. What are the true Christians to do?
We can teach "give ALL the sovereignty to God" "Sin is a complete barrier to salvation" and "Christ's atonement paid only for the elect of God" - NOT for all the world as some might have us believe.
We should thank God for the Calvinist Bible doctrines which teach so precisely the Word of God and truth to contend for the faith as HE has commanded.
The Calvinist doctrine of Sovereignty where they teach absolute sovereignty instead of the half hearted free will humanistic philosophy.
The Calvinist doctrine of total depravity of sin instead of the diminished frail and weak sin which prevents nothing, and allows man to arrogantly save himself.
The Calvinist doctrine of Limited Atonement which teaches as the Bible provides that Christ died only for the elect whom God foreknew and predestined. Instead of the selfish man concocted fiction that HE died for the reprobate, a pretext which seeks only to diminish the justice and righteousness of God.
God predestines and elects HIS Remnant church. God knows His sheep and will save them. John 10:27 "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me" Look - No need for human input:- Eph 1:11 predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will" The prayers of Jesus are:- John 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Arminians please note Christ states "NOT for the WORLD"
Michael Hranek wrote: I am speaking of an attitude in theology that only looks things one way, in this case "T.U.L.I.P."
Michael the reason why - to all Christians - that there is only one way is because the Bible IS the ONE way.
TULIP of course is known by 'all Christians' as the Biblical Doctrines of Grace. These emanate from the great debate at Dordrecht between real Christians - And Arminian heretics.
You really need to get a copy of the Canons of Dordt which will improve your theology no end.
John UK wrote: Can't be, not with all those baby baptisms, covenant children, unregenerate membership.
You never cease to amaze John, how that by changing the Bible's teaching on the Covenant of Grace at Genesis 17 - You guys try to maintain the unbiblical tradition of the Anabaptists dunking and Arminian confession. And because you ditch part of the Bible you call yourselves the real church? Now that isn't even logical never mind theological is it John? BTW Jesus is the Mediator of the Covenant of Grace - He was for Abraham and continues to be so today. So John, Who is your mediator?
Michael Hranek wrote: I am NOT a Protestant. That FALSE Christians often disquise themselves in the clothing of 'Reformed' and 'Ecumenical'
Well Michael considering your recent admission to salvation by works which is a Roman Catholic leftover, naturally you are not a Protestant. The Reformed Church is the true church of God and Christ which God ordained in the Reformation. But your popish position is holding you back from the true doctrines and from giving all the glory to God. By robbing Crucified Christ Jesus of His divine rights of Solo Christo, Sola Gratia and Soli Deo Gloria - You are blaspheming God and His Son. Repent!!
"In some ways, the Sunni/Shiite divide is similar to divisions between Protestants and Catholics â€” both are Christians, but with different ways of understanding and worshipping"
I don't suppose we can expect the Washington Post to know the difference between Roman Catholics and real Christians. But then we could go into Jehovah's Witnesses, Charismatics, Pentecostals, Liberals and uncle tom cobbley and all.
All we need remember is that Faith being the gift of God is only given by God to His disciples. So the many religionists who play at church can only be a parody of the true Church.
Thus those who are outside the true Church are Totally Depraved. The true Church of course are Unconditionally Elected. Christ's redeeming work for the elect is of course a Limited Atonement. The efficacious inner call is by Irresistible Grace. And finally the elect Persevere to the end only by the Grace of God. (T.U.L.I.P.)
Why John!! Have you forgotten the Lord's doctrine on election? Our Sovereign and omniscient God is in complete charge of who gets saved and received into the Kingdom of God.
Election and Limited Atonement... Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction"
This is one which will also defeat Boris Johnson and his worldly friends the sodomites, - "vessels of wrath fitted to destruction."
"I speak for many when I say that I have not always embraced the doctrines of grace or what is commonly called Calvinism. Its actually unfortunate that a man's name is associated with the doctrines that came out of the Protestant Reformation. Calvin was not the first to articulate these truths, but merely was the chief systematizer of such doctrines. There was actually nothing in Calvin that was not first seen in Luther, and much of Luther was first found in Augustine. Luther was an Augustinian monk, of course. We would also naturally affirm that there was nothing in any of these men that was not first found in Paul and Peter and John in the New Testament" (John Samson)
John UK wrote: The expression "Biblical Calvinists" is itself unbiblical. Ye'll not find it anywhere in scripture bro.
I definitely find Calvinism in the Scriptures.
And I'm not the only one. Eg. "The late lamented Mr. Denham has put, at the foot of his portrait, a most admirable text, "Salvation is of the Lord." That is just an epitome of Calvinism; it is the sum and substance of it. If anyone should ask me what I mean by a Calvinist, I should reply, "He is one who says, Salvation is of the Lord." I cannot find in Scripture any other doctrine than this. It is the essence of the Bible. "He only is my rock and my salvation" (CHS)
"And what is the heresy of Arminianism but the addition of something to the work of the Redeemer? Every heresy, if brought to the touchstone, will discover itself here. I have my own private opinion that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else. (CHS)