Look at your comment wrote: (1) Do you really think that God's church only consist of English speaking people??? (2) Do you think that people who use other versions are not genuinely saved? (3) Do you think God didn't build His church before 1611?
(1) "Yet the King James Bible did more for society than simply spread Godâ€™s Wordâ€”it shaped all English-speaking peoples and those who learned English from it, providing individuals from all walks of life a way to understand the world around them. It defied race, class and religion as never before. ****Today, it is estimated that the KJV has been translated from English into 2,454 of the worldâ€™s 6,500 languages."**** (Jacob C. Toews) (2) Who the elect are depends on God and not mans "interpretations." But if the Word of God is important to God - and we must assume it is - Then God will lead His people to His Bible by the Holy Spirit. God will also ensure His elect have the truth and the whole counsel of God. - (What will Satan do)? (3) God by His Holy Spirit and His Holy Word has been building His church since Adam and Eve. 1611 Brought the Word into English at that time God's hand was definitely there and inspired that work, to replace the Blindness of the RCC.
Jim Lincoln wrote: "I believe it is misguided for fundamental Baptists to defend a version of the Bible based on a Greek text, prepared by a liberal Roman Catholic, translated by Episcopalians and authorized by a king who hated Baptists
Jim. God has clearly used the King James Bible for centuries to build HIS Church and teach the Word of God. Thus HE has acknowledged and used the TR also. Apparently there is no need to change to the dubious modern versions from GOD's perspective. God has used the KJV the proof of this is factual and historic. But you have no proof that HE will accept and use the modern versions. With the input of heretics such as Westcott, Hort, Aland and Nestle the obvious choice would be to steer away from such works. And use what God used.
"Would you take a magic marker to your Bible and cross out words from passages?
Welcome to the Amazing Westcott and Hort Magic Marker Binge!
The chart below illustrates what was done when the text used by Christianity for 1800 years was replaced with a text assembled by Brook Foss Westcott and Fenton John Anthony Hort in the nineteenth century and used as the basis for the English Revised Version, which nearly all modern translations closely follow." http://av1611.com/kjbp/charts/themagicmarker.html
Jim Lincoln wrote: God apparently used the Vulgate for a much longer time, so why aren't you supporting that?
Or alternatively if you are convinced of that theory why are you not using it?
Remember Jim that with the elect "God ordains" eg God ordained the Reformation in the 16th century around the time HE introduced the King James Version. From then onwards man became better educated and better able to read the Scriptures. Your continued problem is the fact God built His church during these four centuries by the KJV, but today the church falls and fails in modern version times. (IE they don't work) The Holy Spirit "guides" God's disciples into light and truth and thus builds the church. The Holy Spirit will not use heretics to do this. Hence these apostate times reveal the DECLINE in Holy Spirit works and coincides with modern version usage. Why would God bring a "better" Bible into use this close to the end times and apostasy be the end result? John 16:13.
Jim Lincoln wrote: many scholars love the KJV -- atheistic ones, the errors of the KJV are numerous, as has been pointed out, to you and others, Comparing Bible Translations--Conclusions, actually the very long article Comparing Bible Translations should be looked over. The NIV of 1984 is certainly more accurate than the KJV in spite of its free style
Strange isn't it God used the King James Version for centuries and ordained it during these centuries to build His Church. And it worked until the recent arrival of modern versions era.
Today in these apostate times when we see the doctrine in churches at an all time low - and the coincidental numerical decline obvious - The Bibles according to Jim Lincoln are more accurate.
Obviously the Lord should have consulted Jim in centuries past and perhaps the church would have been even bigger today and certainly more educated? Not!!
Then of course we have Jim's pet heretics Westcott, Hort, Nestle and Aland who all contributed to his NASB, NIV and all the other modern junk out there.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Of course for us who want an accurate representation of God's Word
Ha! Ha! Ha!
Oh Jim what a sense of humour you have.
Modern versions "accurate"
Westcott and Hort's versions "accurate" ???? Where do you get them from Jim?
Jim. You really need to get yourself and your churches congregation to the REAL Word of God King James Version. Remember that is what GOD Himself has been using for centuries. HE didn't need to change Books. As they say if it ain't broken don't fix it.
Now think about it Jim - Would the Lord use a couple of heretics such as W&H to change what HE is using to build the Church? Of course HE wouldn't every Christian knows that for a fact.
Jim Lincoln wrote: The KJV was and is a poor tool for training in English
Jim. Your incessant attacks upon God and His work to communicate the Holy Word can only be described as blasphemous.
God has used the King James Version of His Holy Word for centuries and used it to build His Church and many are the stories of those who learned their language from it.
Modern versions on the other hand appear on the scene when apostate churches flourish. That is an interesting connection. But one fact obvious is that the modern versions with their quote, use of 'modern' languages, haven't made the slightest difference to church increase. Now Jim; Does that tell you something about GOD working with NASB/NIV etc etc? Has HE demonstrated a critical veto of this human presumption? _______
Democratic freedom doesn't seem to have the same definition in Germany as in other western countries. If 'ALL' children MUST submit to the public school system then clearly they do not trust their people. OR They work under a 'Big Brother' government/bureaucracy system. As Orwell's 1984 stated, Winston the hero of the story is "re-educated" to conform to their way only. Is Germany afraid of too much freedom in education and ideas?
Jim Lincoln wrote: it's the Romish types that have added material into the Bible. See How We Got Our Bible
Ah but Jim, don't forget it is the modern version editors, such as Westcott and Hort, that have "taken away" from Scripture.
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. KJV
"God's providential preservation of the Scriptures cannot be separated from the doctrine of their verbal plenary inspiration. The Holy Spirit persuades believers to adopt the same view of the Bible that Jesus believed and taught during the days of His earthly ministry. Jesus explicitly denied the theories of modern higher critics. He recognized Moses (Mark 12:26), David (Luke 20:42), and Daniel (Matt. 24:15) by name as the authors of their Old Testament books. Moreover, according to the Lord Jesus, all these individual Old Testament writings combined together formed one Divine and infallible Book which He called "the Scriptures." Jesus believed that these Scriptures were inspired by the Holy Spirit (Mark 12:36), that not one word of them could be denied (John 10:35), that not one particle of them could perish (Matt. 5:18), and that everything written in them was Divinely authoritative (Matt. 4:4,7,10)" (Gary La More)
God used this book in King James Version form for 400 years .... But Jim Lincoln and his buddy Kutilek calls it blasphemy. Poor old Jim and his buddy haven't got a god who providentially preserves his bible, so messrs Westcott and Hort had to rewrite it.
Jim Lincoln wrote: The KJV is a bad translation of the Bible, blaspheming the Holy Spirit
Jim God does not accept your judgments. God and His Holy Spirit used the KJV/TR for centuries and built His Church with it. God ordained the KJB/TR God Does not accept heretics such as helped write your modern versions NIV/NASB.
Jim Lincoln wrote: I know that the humanist heretic, Erasmus, His Greek Text and His Theology which was the foundation of the AV, as well as the The Influence of An Anglican Archbishop on the KJV. As a church in the Commonwealth, puts it, Canada says "NO!" to KJV only.
In any event, any Bible that isn't in good contemporary English shouldn't be given to children, except those in foreign language classes like Latin or Elizabethan.
Apparently GOD disagrees with you Jim. HE used the TR/KJV for centuries. In fact HE still does today.
Canada is one of the most Liberal influenced countries in the world. Best not to go there for your advice, Jim.
Apparently Jim, Even YOU recognise the heretical influences to be found in the NIV organisation.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Lisa, it's good that the children get a Bible that is in English and not Elizabethan -- what a turnoff! What's bad however, it is not a complete Bible. Half a Bible is better than none, but still they should get the whole Bible.
"Whole Bible" Jim. Might you mean the whole counsel of God? If so then the KJV is the only "Whole Bible" available.
As you know Jim, the heretics Westcott, Hort, Nestle and Aland robbed the Word of God TR/KJV, and supplanted it with the inferior modern versions such as NIV/NASB etc.
Mike wrote: I thought you didn't like man's input. So the 54 translators appointed by a man must have been angels then? Well, maybe 7 of them weren't angels.
The KJV has been authorised and approved and used by God for four centuries and equates to the best mss used for the last 2000 years. It is ludicrous to suggest that God needed to wait for man's archaeology to write and teach the whole truth. Your arminian need for human action is showing again Mike.
"Man's input" are the heresies he has included in publications - NOT the Holy Spirit guided work of writing God's Holy Word.
Iron Jaw wrote: I suppose you think that the Dead sea discovery was a hoax??"
Nope!! Just entirely unnecessary to communicate and teach the Church the Word of God. The True Word of God was already in existence in the form of the King James Version - AND this by God Himself as HE promised.
Can't you trust your god to deliver his word law doctrines precepts????
Bro. James wrote: Brothers , i feel that some of you may be so dogmatic out of ignorance so i hope to enlighten some of you. Actually the truth is that MOST of (notice i did not say all) newer translations are more accurate than king jimmy simply because archeological discoveries over the last 400 yrs since its inception have rendered older manuscripts than were used in translating kjv. In fact, a recently discovered papryus
In other words you cut GOD out of the Word of God.
According to you GOD had to wait for archaeology before teaching the whole counsel of GOD.
According to your understanding previous generations could not receive the whole counsel of GOD because it didn't arrive till recently.
GOD's Word has been in existence for 6000 years the NT for 2000 years and man didn't get involved except to publish heresy like Westcott and Hort/ Nestle Aland did.
The King James Version is the most accurate publication of the Word of God.
Modern versions/mans input/archaeology are used by Satan as competition against the KJV.