1 Timothy 2:1-4 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, [and] giving of thanks, be made for all men...For this [is] good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Barry from KY -- "I would love to hear the opinions of my brothers and sisters here on SA."
My opinion, for what it's worth, is that you should keep sharing the Gospel & praying for him. Of course, I'm only a 0.5 point Calvinist, so you may want to disregard my advice.
The main problem with this sort of thing has nothing to do with shaking the faith of those who know Jesus. Those who know him will not be convinced by anyone that he doesn't exist, regardless of their credentials on lack thereof.
The problem is that this kind of psuedo scholarship gives another "reason" for mockers and scoffers to remain in their self-delusion.
Christopher000 wro+e: I was Charismatic for a while and am really apprehensive to step out to do anything now...
I've had witnessing situations too that did not turn out as planned and left me wondering... for me it was a matter of coming to terms with not caring what folks would think of me as much as caring that they needed to hear the Gospel. Over time the Lord helped my confidence in him to grow more so I generally don't care anymore about looking like a fool for Christ. Let me encourage you brother to just ask him for opportunities and then rest in what he provides. Think of it this way -- he's given us the privilege of representing him! we have nothing to offer and we're just dust & ashes and he still let's us be a part of his glorious work. And every good thing we have is a gift from him. What an amazing saviour! I'll pray for you Christopher. God bless.
"I would love, love, love to be able to do things like this."
Christopher000 -- We can do all things through Christ who dwells in us. Commit it to the Lord, ask for pure motives, then step-out in faith with the goal of honouring Jesus and seeing souls snatched from destruction.
"Anyway, boy, did this thread blow up. TB, I was impressed with your posts back to Lurker...all of the verses, that is. Man, I wish I could do that when asked a question...ha-ha"
My secret is a decent KJV app with search and copy/paste on my phone. Punch in "labour" and voila, zillions of good verses. God bless.
Just a few examples of the normative standard of "labour" we should expect as we enter into the divine labours. If you want more just search "work" or "trials" or "tribulation" or "suffering" or "persecution" etc. Should be abundantly clear that you were not called to join a country club but rather to strivings.
Hebrews 6:10 For God [is] not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
Revelation 2:2-3 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed [are] the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
Acts 20:35 I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.
1 Corinthians 3:8-9 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.
1 Corinthians 4:11-12 Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace; And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:
1 Corinthians 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace [which was bestowed] upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
1 Corinthians 15:58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
-- Don't know exactly to what "that" refers to, but it cannot be the Christian walk. I would fear that anyone whose walk that does not include a great deal of "effort" and cooperative "work" in crucifying the flesh with it's passions and desires has not even begun to walk. "Whoever does not take up his cross and follow me is not worthy of me." It was with great effort and work that he purchased our redemption -- what folly to expect that we will not likewise toil in the divine effort to become the spotless bride. "The servant is not greater than his lord."
1 Corinthians 1:30-31 KJV..."
Great passage, thanks. That said, it's not charitable to strawman the non-Calvinist into someone who is his own saviour.
"When you can glory in the Lord alone, you will have correctly interpreted the Bible. Until then, may God bless your Bible reading and prayers."
Until then? How did you come to be in a position to judge whether I am glorying in myself or him?
TB, you are now coming out with stuff which no-one here will agree with."
Don't know what exactly this is supposed to mean.
But I agree with your statement as to justification being all about what Christ did on our behalf and trusting in that alone. Perhaps the problem you might have with my position is that unlike Luther I'm not prepared to throw out the book of James?
Matt 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
Exactly. And my point would be that when you see the word "chosen" your Calvinist eyes should not simply glaze over and assume there's no reason behind God's choice. Choice is made based on quality, and quality is a measure of sanctification, from none to perfection, and Christian sanctification is a cooperative work between God AND man. (Phil. 2:12-13)
Without sanctification there's no fruit, and every branch that beareth not fruit is cast into the fire and burned.
By Spurgeon's uncharitable definition of Arminians I'm neither Arminian nor Calvinist. You can use your man-made labels or take the biblical route instead:
1 Corinthians 1:12-13 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
No one in particular. Anyone who will listen. I suppose you qualify, so you. ;-)
And yes, I am concerned for this guy, enough to pray for him. I'm hoping too that his distortion and misrepresentation of the person of God is not indicative of having no saving relationship at all.
FYI, my mission against Calvin is more about what he denies than what he affirms. Clearly salvation is entirely impossible without the intervention and empowering of belief in the heart of man by God. Clearly too God desires all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. (1 Timothy 2.) Unlike many of the Reformed persuation I'm not prepared to perform logical gymmastics to try to escape such plain doctrine.
It blows my mind that people wear the badge "Calvinist" with pride.
The other day I was on a street corner pleading with the lost on Christ's behalf, telling them that God commands them to repent and believe the Gospel.
Up walks this "Calvinist" who informs me that I'm on my way to hell beause I don't believe in his fictional God who created people for the purpose of casting them into hell.
The thing that floored me the most was that he did not care one iota for my soul. Matter of factly pronouncing my eternal damnation before casually walking away... not even a gram of love in his heart and concern for the lost; nor concern the he was dishonouring God with his fictional God-who-takes-pleasure-in-the-death-of-the-wicked doctrine.