Christopher000 wrote: Add a loooong pause between "between the lines", and "All too often". I wasn't joining the two comments to mean the 2nd half is what I gathered from you. Seperate thoughts, my own thoughts.
I understand,but perhaps you can tell me how the approval of the abuse of women by men is arrived at based on what has been said here.
The liberal narrative always has a villain and a victim,the feminist narrative says that the victims are women and the villians are men,always, and even though no one,myself included has remotely suggested that women should be abused in any way it still comes up again and again because that is the feminist influence and mindset,any challenge to the roles of victim and villan and responsability per feminism cannot go unchallenged....one must,no pun intended"submit" or else.
We must have a fair and just society,it's not fair that some can afford more than others,it is also not fair that some are young while others are old,we will solve this....we will kill all the old leaving only the young....hold on,just a little longer, and the liberal,socialist,amoral utopia our dear leader has promised us will be here.
I have heard and read all my life that America was founded mostly by Christians with a Christian world view,by the standards of many of todays Christians those people(the founders) could not have been Christians.
They(the founders) gave us a great nation that up until the 1950s was a beacon of freedom,prosperity,christian influence and decency with exceptions,flaws and faults as there always are.
The founders of todays modern liberal Christianity took over and began to influence society with their Jesus Christ superstar and the free love,free lunch"cool dude" hippy Jesus of their own making.....they havn't done so well have they...if it is true that by their fruits you shall know them I would choose the Christians of 1776 rather than todays modern liberal Christianity with it's pious, weak above it all,God's gonna fix it anyway,rather snotty attitude towards the affairs of men......indifference and laziness combined with arrogance to cover for it can never produce anything good.
Surely we are not left with the possibility that its unbeleivers we have to thank for things like freedom,peace,prosperity and many other good things in life because "Christians" simply cannot be soiled by involvement in such things.
Christopher000 wrote: Thanks Dorcas and Elise. I understand where Strat is coming from, to a degree while reading between the lines. All to often I have seen Christian husbands ruling their "women" with an iron fist, using a verse of scripture to keep them in line on pain of disobediance to God. I have heard of these militants, in extreme cases, spanking, slapping, and switching their wives should they become disobediant or show resistance. These are extreme contortions of God's Word, but emotional abuse is no less destructive and is not part of God's marraige plans. I feel that as a women loves her husband, so should the man love his wife. The man is the head of the house, and the familys spiritual head. I believe submission means recognizing these facts, acknowledging the mans appointed position, and giving the man charge, but love remains a partnership, nit a yes sir, no sir marine style existance where the woman is treated with contempt, deemed worthless and void of any significance.
Kind of straw man argument since I can't find a single post that advocates such,along with feminism liberalism has entered the church,the liberal narrative is always unbalanced,about the past,the present worst case scenario and last but not least,revenge !
Dolores wrote: Actually, there is nothing much at all on what the babies went through other than a plcture which does make someone sick. What bothered me the most is the fact these women are crying about what was done to THEM by this evil doctor, not the horrific thing this evil man did to the precious baby. The article actually stated what different ways this man abused them and he failed to dispose of the fetuses properly. That's what he got in trouble for, not killing babies at the requests of the women.
Its all about them from the beginning,from the abortion to the victimhood they claim should their conscience begin to bother them.
Unprofitable,i have never said any of those things and have no idea how to respond to you,if you can quote me saying those things please do.....any of you quote me if you can saying anything you say I have said.
Ladybug,thank you,coming from you that means a lot.I am cruel because I disagree with you,divisive because I have the right like you do to speak my point of view and unlike you with your gender specific theology apply the bible to both sides,and show no love for anyone because your definition of love is twisted to conform to your pseudo christian misandrist views....have a good evening and thanks for the compliments.
Chill,lie much,quote me where I said anything like that,feminism has enterd the church and these one sided post prove prove it that is what I said,i have just as much right to express an opinion as you do,so you go away and quit appointing yourself as the judge of who gets to speak and who doesn't.
My first post was not directed at anybody but stated an opinion and it was seized upon by those who disagree,is that not what a forum is ? or is it a little meet and greet for like minded church folk only ?
CV,the real issue is mutual submission,you make it sound as if women are like robots and will follow men by a formula or strategy that works every time....if you believe this you need to get out more.
Mike wrote: Didn't say it was a suggestion. But neither can one be commanded to voluntarily submit. I am not talking theory. I am indeed married to an excellent Christian wife who loves being a woman, and is also my best friend. To the best of our ability and by God's grace we live out these verses, not perfectly, but willingly. And yes I even do sweeping from time to time. How about you?
Women make up roughly half the human population of 7 billion,for simplicity lets say there are 3.5 billion women in the world and you are married to one,so your experience is the experience of all men everywhere.
The logic is as follows,i have a good marriage therefore all marriages are good.I have had problems in my marriage but we worked them out therefore all problems in all marriages can be worked out...but if a man has a bad marriage it must be his fault.
Since Ladybug is no longer engaging perhaps you can tell me how Christ loves the church in regard to its conduct towards him,does the church manipulate Christ and control Christ ? and get what it wants from him regardless of its behavior ? or lack of any sense of duty or responsibility towards him ?
ladybug wrote: I am seeing stories all over the internet where women are being sexually and physically abused by their husbands; husbands who demand 'submission'. This type of lording over your wife is NOT what the Bible teaches! The church needs to get this right! Women are suffering, fearing for their lives, both spiritual and physical. This is rampant in the patriarchal/reconstructionist movement. Submission is NOT a ticket for the man to dominate, mistreat, and abuse the woman. Strat, once again, you are saying something that never came from me. I will not engage you any further.
You are presenting an unbalanced and therefore unchristian view of the matter and as is typical of a feminist/Christian/feminist you don't like being called on it....I can go find all kinds of things on the internet about lying conniving two timing females and I'm sure you would call me on that.....don't care if you engage or not it is the sorry state of the church today.