James, Thank you for attempting to understand my point of view. Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Lurker, In your analysis of Colonial America, how do you reconcile the Catholic Colony of Maryland being included among the 13? Maryland like a idolatrous tribe of Dan perhaps? More importantly the location of the Capital straddling the Potomac between Virginia and Maryland the Catholic Colony Do you see the geographical metaphor that was created? Virginia+Maryland= Virgin Mary with the Potomac as a birth canal & DC the womb. Doesnt it read like a relocation brochure more than a Theophany? Also- My appreciation for going out a limb for me, but what you call the old man is what I call my passion for the entire Davidic Kingdom.
Carl in Greensboro wrote: I think the Judges 18:7 quote in yesterday's related Breaking News concerning the border threat is appropriate here also,
Judges 18:7 Then the five men departed, and came to Laish, and saw the people that were therein, how they dwelt careless, after the manner of the Zidonians, quiet and secure; and there was no magistrate in the land, that might put them to shame in any thing; and they were far from the Zidonians, and had no business with any man.
John Yurich USA wrote: So the Father and Jesus don't accept the Bible readings, The Apostles and Nicene Creeds, the prayers to Jesus, the Lord's Prayer and the words of Jesus from the Last Supper? If you believe that then you are the one who is telling a blasphemous lie.
Im glad that the RCC still reads the Lords Prayer, too many independent baptist churches wont. They say it the 'apostles' prayer and that the kingdom was declined. So sad that the RCC is MORE Biblical in this way than many Protestant Churches today
Hard facts wrote: Your proof please, or is this just more of your BS?
I find the theology of those that want to believe America is Biblical Zion VERY heretical. Just like when the Anabaptist Kingdom of Munster called themselves 'New Jerusalem,' it didnt become the heavenly Jerusalem. In fact it became a den of theives....its just a dream of the heretics to transform something. They do it to beguile their followers I am surprised that Lurker has Anglo Israeli tendencies, just trying to fish out which variation he was beguiled with
Lurker wrote: Spanish? My goodness! I could make a compelling case that the moon is made of blue cheese using your methods. So David was speaking of the USA when he penned Psalm 132:13-14? Too bad for all the Christians scattered all over the world. They'll have to come to America to enter God's eternal rest. One thing I will give you, Steve. You never cease to amaze.
Faulty reasoning, America was named after David wrote Psalms. Just as people name their child David AFTER King David, the original Christians who came to the New World named this land after what they sought.
John Yurich USA wrote: By stating that being a Christian hinges on one leaving the Catholic Church in addition to embracing Jesus as ones Savior then you are in essence adding another requirement onto salvation.
Lurker wrote: Strange that you say you are from Mt Zion yet don't seem to know that Zion is all souls betrothed to Jesus... His eternal habitation. Psa 132:13 For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation. This is my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it. That's it for me today. If I have any more fun at your expense I may be guilty of breaking some sort of rule.
In Hebrew Amaris means 'Gods Promise' The suffix 'ica' in Spanish means Mountain
America means Gods promised mountain
You have been beguiled by an intentional counterfeit, and very content with your path. How sad for you
pennned wrote: SteveR, burning people at the stake.... now that's a serious way of dealing with people who have doctrinal differences. I remember Zwingli drowning a man in the river to "rebaptize" him..... really??
If Lurkers Zion had only started production of their war machines 500 years earlier, the Zurich Council could have appeased themselves by bombing Gaza, arming Nazis in Ukraine or training jihadis in Jordan instead
Lurker wrote: I still find it interesting that the United States came into existence with the same division of land as the Promised Land...... 13 states. Coincidence? Perhaps. But no one can deny that this nation has been the recipient of God's temporal blessing full to overflowing for a time. But like the pattern of Israel in the Promised Land, those blessings are now our cursings because, as a nation, we have turned our backs to the source of our blessings.
Dont be ashamed to share your Anglo/Israelism faith with the board. Ive heard so many variations of the heresy, I'd be interested in your version.
Christopher000 wrote: I think it's pretty amazing how you all can discuss such details of history, etc, with such knowledge and know so many details.
Im more surprised so called Christians know more about the history of their favorite ball teams than they do of their Protestant brethren they claim to love.
For instance, the very name 'Protestant' came out of the protest at the Diet of Speyer. The same council of Protestant namsake was where they(Protestants) agreed with Catholics to hunt down all the Anabaptists and burn them at the stake.
Lurker wrote: Exacting vengeance on "rebellious Anabaptists" in God's name is not a badge of honor. .... All who have been party to such, including Luther, Henry VIII, Reformers, Calvin, etc., are murderers.
Badge of honour & murder are quite the accusations
In general, Reformers like Luther, Zwingli, Calvin , Rhegius, Osiander, Bucher, Bullinger, Bicknell and John Knox did not take vengeance into their own hands. They lawfully petitioned the magistrate to execute judgement on the evildoers. They would argue it was the anabaptists motivated by lust, greed, mayhem and a false sense they had divine authority for rebellion took violence into their own hands. Im sure like the Michael Brown shooting, people will disagree what true justice is. Since neither you nor I were there, we cant say with certainty if they are 'murderers' as you so quickly judge. The sheer numbers of GODLY men that supported the magistrates againstthe evildoers would lead me to believe they had justifiable reasons for their petitions
James Thomas wrote: SteveR, What church would you say teaches sound, correct doctrine?
The LORD is merciful and provides sound spirit filled teachers in many Protestant denominations and Apostolic traditions. Since Im bias to those that understand and teach Covenant Theology, I would recommend churches in sound Reformed Synods like the OPC, PCA, CANRC, URCNA, and many in the PCA.
The foundation of the Christian Faith are the promises in the OT, the NT are their fulfillment
MS wrote: SteveR wrote: The reformers supported....blah,blah. Martin Luther, blah, blah, blah.... --------- "Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. Jeremiah 17:5. AV
More on Luther and the peasant Anabaptist uprisings
"When he(Luther) was in later years reproached for such violent language(as aforementioned), and for inciting territorial lords to merciless slaughter (they killed over 100,000 peasants), he answered defiantly: â€˜It was I, Martin Luther, who slew all the peasants in the insurrection, for I commanded them to be slaughtered. All their blood is upon my shoulders. But I cast it on our Lord God who commanded me to speak in this way.â€™[Martin Luther, Werke, Erlangen edition, vol. 59, p. 284] (William McGrath, Anabaptists: Neither Catholic nor Protestant, http://www.pbministries.org/History/William%20R.%20McGrath/the_anabaptists_part1.htm).
Fraud detector wrote: Yes, we can see why the murder of believers by religious unbelievers would cause you to laugh out loud, being a religious unbeliever yourself of the reformed catholic persuasion.
My laughter was directed at the ETWN poster and those foolish enough to believe the WCF almost supported the Anabaptist position, losing by just one vote. Mind you. this poster pretends to understand theology, but was completely ignorant of the fact that anabaptists were still being executed for their rebellions during the Assembly.
The list of Reformers that supported executions of rebellious anabaptists is a long one, and I wouldnt call them 'unbelievers.'
For example, lets take Martin Luther who at first supported anabaptists. However, their wickedness led him to say
" On the obstinate, hardened, blinded peasants, let no one have mercy, but let everyone, as he is able, hew, stab, slay, lay about him as though among mad dogs, . . . . so that peace and safety may be maintained... etc.â€™ [Martin Luther, Werke, Erlangen edition, vol. 24, p. 294; vol.15, p. 276; passim.]
Before this thread goes any further off topic. This exchange began when Observer made up an absurd lie that a WCF committee was one vote away from scrapping infant Baptism. Then to add shame to his lie, he requested a history of the Reformed standard of this doctrine.
Rome and the Lutherans too....I think the harsh punishments stem from their desire to use Christianity as a cloke for their wicked hearts. A spirit anabaptist forefathers have given some of their children here
Rodney K. wrote: Yeah. I couldn't find a "tongue-in-cheek" emoticon.
You certainly perfected the nose in cheeks without emoticon idolatry
btw: even when they fled, other nations executed them
"Henry VIII (1509-1547) was known for his persecution of foreign Anabaptists. Between 1535-1546 large numbers of foreign "Anabaptists" were executed or burned at the stake for heresy. In 1535, some 25 Dutch Anabaptists who had fled the Amsterdam Uprisings were quickly rounded up. They were arrested, condemned for heresy and burned at the stake within the month."