I'm guessing that from your statements you would not have a problem with transgender or homosexual "cheerleaders" as well? Somehow I think that these overrated Christian sports figures would. What concerns me the most is the double standard. You can't be salt if you are hypocritical. Homosexuals do see the hypocrisy. And further, have you so little regard for our children? Don't be so surprised when your little girl wants to dress like the harlot when she sees the harlot getting rewarded for such and don't be surprised when your son gets so easily ensnared into porn. And penned, I'm glad for you if you don't watch the games. If you did, you would be watching exactly what I described. If you think that it is lewd to call it as such, you should all the more be concerned that it is as such. Your indignation is sorely placed. Unprofitable, your Scriptures are misapplied.
Thank you, Jim for responding to part of my question. I still respect your posts. So, I'm guessing that since Christians,as you say," can really only address morality in the church..." that coach Dungy's comments are totally irrelevant any way? ...and, just because Planned Parenthood teaches children about sex torture (how to engage in it, no less), then we should just keep silent and allow for looser laws?
Odd comments..."no", I don't watch the games. One doesn't have to go to a strip club to know what is there. Well over a decade ago though, I was aware of what was on them because I knew of a few "Christian" men who loved to watch them. And, of course, one cannot escape hearing what is on them because the NFL pretty much rules in this country. Of course, it seems that the "Christian" men who love to watch these games, interestingly enough, gravitate toward dating sites (even though they are married) or don't mind picking up a swimsuit sports illustrated magazine...but, I digress. It's interesting that my comments are described as "graphic" and offensive...more so than the actual subjects. I just wonder how many Christian coaches, football players and spectators would continue to play and watch if there were "queerleaders"on the field. I see hypocrisy here. I suppose if Christians who are so quick to denounce the sodomites would also,likewise, reject hetero immorality, then they could be taken more seriously.A respect for God's Law will preserve shame.Sadly,we embraced sexual impropriety and now we are reaping what we have sown.
I suppose you would take a job where women are bumping and grinding in what essentially amounts to underwear? Are we this blind? If we are, Christians need to just keep their mouths shut when it comes to any other kind of sexual immorality including homosexuality. I guarantee that homosexuals are just shaking their heads...these Christians don't have a problem with Bouncey on their super toilet bowl game and they don't have a problem with cheerleaders. Compromise begets further compromise. You can't have a double standard and expect unbelievers to have any respect for your position on morality. To make it fair, they need to start having queerleaders...maybe then the heteros could get a clue that having go go dancers affiliated with their teams isn't the best wholesome family entertainment. If you wouldn't invite a cheerleader over to your house in front of your wife and kids, why do you invite them onto your television set? What's the difference? Boys will look and lust and girls will model after them.
Christopher wrote:" or...guardian angels forever near with swords drawn. Anyway, salvation isn't like getting a trophy or gaining membership to some club, but rather, something so fantastic that we can't possibly do any description justice with our finite minds, or begin to fully comprehend it."
I noticed that you frequently will give vivid illustrations..it's always a treat. And pen, I can also relate to what you said in regards to Christians' spirits bearing witness with one another without having met. The gift of salvation is unfathomable...that God would so love us.
Wise application of Scripture is always profitable. While believers will be in the world, I don't think choosing a profession which surrounds one with scantily clad women on the job is prudent as a Christian. Why is this acceptable when it comes to the area of sports but if your Christian husband decided to take a job where he was around hooker girls , I mean, hoo er ("t" is the missing letter there but as it is a derogatory reference , I skipped a space) girls, this could be problematic? Isn't there a double standard here? ...not only that but everyone who tunes in to watch these games has to get an eye full. There's a big difference between living in the world and contributing to the world system by partaking of it. With that misapplied line of reasoning, we would have a big mission field if we would just go into bars and strip joints to "witness". I know that it's difficult to drop the sports idols but come on...
Jim, you are a pretty solid poster but as far as laws or prohibition encouraging behavior...?? Man is sinful. Laws are good for restraint. Do you really think that the consumption of alcohol is markedly less because we no longer have prohibition? I heard a fellow just the other day suggesting that because the church considers prostitution and porn taboo that it only escalates the problem. How absurd. As Mike sarcastically stated: "Then everyone would be moral." If laws were lifted on such behavior, then people would all the more be engaging in immoral practices. While many do engage in these activities covertly, the bar would be set even lower opening the proverbial pandora's box and then anything and everything would be legal. Compromise always begets greater immorality as evidenced in the proliferation of hetero sensuality in this country. Once we allow for a double standard, the game is over. Loose heterosexuality bred tolerance for homosexuality...and here we are.
The writer said: "Tony Dungy is a man of character, integrity and faith--one who is committed to strengthening marriages..."
I certainly couldn't judge Dungy's heart but Christian NFL coaches, players or celebrities lack credibility. I think that we are so desensitized as Christians that we fail to see the bigger problem at hand. Christians will come under judgment if they fail to carry the ball when it comes to the things which they subscribe to which counter Christianity.Dungy and other high profile Christians in the NFL don't have a problem with all of the sensuality surrounding them on a regular basis at each and every game...so their opinion on homosexuality should really be ignored any way.
New York Times statement that prohibition encourages consumption is clearly ill-founded. America should almost be synonymous with alcoholism...Practically everything revolves around it. Could there even be the obsession with sports in this country if there were no beer sales available at the games? People can try to suggest that what is taboo will only encourage behavior, but the truth bears out the opposite conclusion.
"get real" wrote: "Jesus Don't Need You or Your Lies .... wake up... scream biased testing like you were a spoiled minority screaming inequality, you are no different then the liberal, (vile)..."
No one is suggesting that the test is biased. Simply based on the fact that it is a psychological test negates its' veracity. While it is true that there are many professing Christians, as the Bible states that there are tares among the wheat...we can not as true Christians make the judgment that, as you say, they are vile...you can only judge actions and words... not the heart...get a Word.
Sadly, penned, Christians haven't had a problem with the hetero perverts and "educated" atheists doing it (raising their children). Graham coming against homosexuality or abortion is like...oh yeah, catholics doing it. We reward and support someone for saying one thing right while they aid in watering down Christianity. As "Olde" stated, just an attempt to stir up the insiders and try to redeem the graham legacy.
I'll further add: Malcolm X, Strat? ...the sharpton or jackson of his day. He would have made a much greater contribution to society if he would have kept his mouth shut altogether...the instigator/racist.
Well stated, Christopher. Not only do these false preachers laugh and taunt, if you listen to them you can hear them speak in a very pronounced guttural, demonic tone. I think that it is very possible that these wolves are passing along demons onto these gullible people. While much of what one sees is phony, much of it, undoubtedly,then is probably for real- people writhing around on the floor after having had hands laid on them by demon-filled "exorcists".
The article starts out..."and attacks on free speech â€“ are creating thugs and cop killers." Isn't it interesting that the one thing that provokes violence, namely crap music, is the one thing that gets a free pass when it comes to free speech? Granted,sin is equal opportunity but hasn't anyone figured out that it's probably not in the best interest of society to encourage violence? ...Isn't this pretty basic? Here's an idea: If it's illegal to do it, then it should be illegal and not an infringement of "free speech" to produce material which panders to illegal activity. Time to dump the crap music...and everything else that provokes aggression.
Olde Foderal ..an interesting name, very insightful and succinct response. And Jim Lincoln, always appreciate your input. It's always useful to have links or resources to which one may find information.