"You're going to see a conflict between civil law and people who want to live their lives according to their faiths," Boehm said.

Boehm was among 59 percent of the poll respondents who said wedding-related businesses with religious objections should be allowed to refuse service to gay and lesbian couples. That compares with 52 percent in April.

Frank wrote:
None of our founding documents have religious litmus tests; none of them.

[URL=http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel04.html]]]Congress of the Confederation's Religion[/URL]

[URL=http://www.usconstitution.net/states_god.html]]]note how many states require belief in God to serve[/URL]

Frank wrote:
test is simply

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
1 Tim 3:16

I wouldn't want a higher standard than that to describe a basic Christian attitude.

One may find nuances of doctrines among these Christian men.
Just as you can among your hometown local fellowships of churches.

But I would take their attitude as a good starting place for a Christian legal system. They weren't perfect. Some lacked enuff faith.

Frank wrote:
Lord, then they are referring to Christ....

Given the reverential predilection to refer to Providence rather than God ( similar to orthodox refs to G-d ) it can cause some to miss the amount of times the Triune God of the Bible is cited by the founders.

Btw ,like the Feds;

Frank wrote:
.... if the author thought this was a Christian nation, then why was the name of Christ excluded from any of the documents?

"our Lord” refers to:
Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Michael Hranek wrote:
a. The Parable of 2 Little rats
by Michael Hranek

b. Kind of like the level of spiritual discernment in modern day evangelical churches.

b. Your complaint as to quote "spiritual discernment" and so called "evangelical" churches needs to be addressed to the Holy Spirit. After all that's His department: John 16:13 ....
"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."

John UK wrote:
ask for more detail on this. Would the one elder be regarded as the teaching elder (pastor) and the deaconate in supportive spiritual roles? Or would the deacons be (what I've always been taught) more to do with the running of the ship?

jpw wrote:
Liberalism

"The preface of the NIV rightly points out that the ancient tongues (Hebrew & Greek) did not use a special form of the word "you" to address God. However, a cursory reading of the AV will soon clarify the fact that it is the *modern* translations which have attempted to keep "thee and thou" when addressing God and "you and you" when addressing mortals. That is NOT the case with the AV.

The AV usage is simply a reflection of the singular 2nd person pronouns used in the Hebrew and Greek in which the Scriptures were originally written by the inspiration of God. However, in reading through the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures numerous times in my life, I have never found a *single instance* in which God is addressed using a 2nd person PLURAL pronoun. Not once!"
(Richard Bacon)

ELCA = Lust!

Why are these people so blind?

Jim Lincoln wrote:
I don't hate the AV, it's great literature, but a poor Bible, One that the translators fully expected to be replaced by later, better versions

Later versions are clearly spoiled by heretical texts like Westcott and Hort devised and eclectic texts.

The KJV has a proven track record as the sword of the Spirit, building churches and nations for four centuries.

ESV(RSV), NIV, NASB et al are levelled at human reception without the Holy Spirit involved. These modern versions have been brought out at a time of doctrinal decline and confusion, which is revealed in the history of their production.

Yes. Jesus is Truth, and we are a people of Lies.

TV is modern tyranny's way to enslave people without a whip or an armed sentry standing guard. It makes willing slaves of everyone, willing to eat the poisoned food, to believe the nicely packaged lies that make war and torture and murder of innocent people to be a good thing. It teaches that sex is everything, and children are a disposable burden, that it's good to work nonstop for a company in order to afford the trinkets that are dangled in front of us on TV.

TV tells us life revolves around Pepsi, McDonald's and the right clothes and hairdo. We let the TV images and flickers massage our brains and put us into a literal hypnotic trance where more subliminal messages can be fed straight into our subconscious by a media literally controlled at the very top by none other than Satanists.

TV makes the brain slow and lazy and dull from all that hypnotic massaging, turns people into programmed idiots.

When we read or listen to the radio, our brain must create pictures and focus and think. Not so with TV.