SteveR wrote: I am a witness to posts attacking Christians here, quite possibly to determine the temperature for the part of hell reserved for you.
One of the most deluded and hypocritical persons on this board sets himself up as a witness!
What venom you spewed out over an innocent query!
We all know that you will have a part in hell with the Jesuits, the Popes and the Devil himself and by my guess it is going to be THE hottest part. You might want to consider repenting and getting a good dose of humility chum.
SteveR wrote: Kinda harsh What makes you think PP is a Catholic? A 10 yr reader who compliments OPC pastors for their sermons doesnt sound like a Catholic to me btw- A thorn & brier inspector would be busier than a fruit one on this mb
Since you have nothing positive to say about this site or the majority of the people who post here, WHY do you stay here?
Frank wrote: My main thought was that praying for God to destroy someone was not against scripture. Now if it isn't against scripture then it isn't against God. Also, if I don't kill them myself, then I am simply leaving it up to a perfectly loving and "just" God and since I have permission to do this from scripture, it can't be wrong in and of itself. You and I would agree that God is not going to destroy anyone because Frank wants Him to. The worst case is that He would get upset with me if I didn't do what was morally correct. A good example was the article itself. I have never prayed for God to destroy Hillary Clinton, but I think she would be a good candidate. I think she is demonically possessed and she is trying to destroy Christ's church. If she turned out to be one of God's elect, then God would simply ignore me. I always enjoy differences of opinion. That is one of the ways we sharpen our doctrines. "iron sharpens iron". Not angry!
Why would God ask us to pray ***for*** our enemies, if he does not intend good to his own enemies? Does God ask us to do something for our enemies when he intends the opposite for his own? And how come such imprecatory prayers are confined to the OT? Is there any significance in this.
Frank wrote: I am one of the few that believe it has a place in our Christian thoughts and prayers. I sort of look at it this way. I pray that if someone isn't one of the elect (the Lord knows) and they fit a category that is clearly demonic in their conduct towards Christ and His church, then I sometimes pray that God will destroy them. But, I will admit it is a difficult concept and I'm glad you brought the issue up. I'm not sure how the Lord answers this prayer, but I believe it is one we should offer up on occasion. Also Psalm 139:21-22 is very interesting when compared with 139:23. Thanks for the comment!
Christ taught us to pray ***for*** our enemies, not against them.
Jim: Do you have any statistics on the percentage of priests that were molesters?
Jim Lincoln wrote: This is one topic that Catholic Church loves to cover up---probably because there is so much of it--such as on the opposite end of the U.S., q.v., Hand of God. Mahony has had his hand in several things, such as supporting illegal immigrants, q.v., Romanizing America Through Illegal Immigration.
Walt wrote: ...Once you explain what it means to you, perhaps you could explain again how Christ was baptised first, then the Holy Spirit came upon Him in that order. You seem to teach His example was either not correct teaching, or we should not look at His example for baptism?
I was not aware that Christ needed conversion Walt and that the Holy Spirit coming down on him represented his regeneration
Weapon of Mass Instruction wrote: I take it to mean that I am right and you do not allow God's word to be sovereign enough to state what it means and mean what it states. You only added the extra information that we all knew but were waiting for you to state: viz. that you do not care. You even provided proof below. Instead of appealing to God's Word you appeal to your perverted logic. Do you really expect me to answer seriously to a ridiculous question as the one you propose?
That is as dumb as asking "Does the husband seek the wife, or does the wife seek the husband?" Hellow! Is there a Doctor in the house?!?!.....blah! blah! blah!..
You are ignorant of the word of God, and you do not even seem to be able to read. I did not ask about the relationship, I asked how it all started. Now you say I am imposing my understanding on the text - really !
Nehemiah 9:7 Thou art the LORD the God, ****who didst choose Abram***, and broughtest him forth out of Ur of the Chaldees, and gavest him the name of Abraham..
Actually there are lots of similar verses re: other individuals and Israel. What do you suppose is the importance of these for doctrine?
Now your turn to find me a text which says that Abraham chose God!
Weapon of Mass Instruction wrote: Blah.. blah.. blah...blah
Did Abraham seek God? Or did God seek Abraham?
If you answer God sought Abraham, then I would ask what for? Just so that he could make a nation of him?
Your preferred theology appears to color your understanding of every passage of scripture. Why was he called the God of Abraham? Just so that we could know that he was going to make a nation of him? Or that Abraham served Him?
You are silly beyond all belief. I bet that if you ever do a sermon series on Abraham, they are going to bereft of all spiritual lessons from his calling and life, because all you can see is service. How daft!
Weapon of Mass Instruction wrote: I think you are comparing apples to oranges here. I doubt you would be so bold to say that the whole nation of Israel were chosen unto salvation.
But you say exactly that - silly!
Abraham is a picture of the believer and how God deals with them. So yes the way that God dealt with Abraham, calling him from heathenism to believe in Him is as much a part of the package as the rest.
Weapon of Mass Instruction wrote: Apples and oranges again. There is a big difference between being chosen unto salvation and being chosen unto service. On top of this, you will have even a harder time proving that the choosing in either case was unconditional.
We have to be saved before we can serve silly. Abraham was chosen by God before Abraham ever knew him! So the question is why? On what basis? Was Abraham more righteous than any other? Did he have more mental acumen? etc.
Weapon of Mass Instruction wrote: Nope. Unfortunately, your doctrine cannot be found in the OT nor in the NT.
The blind can't see anything even if you put it before their faces!
Weapon of Mass Instruction wrote: Well amen! Now tell me, where you told about the truths of unconditional election before or after you were saved? What I mean by this is did the preacher tell you that God loves you and desires you to be saved or did he tell you that only the elect will be saved?
How would you describe the choosing of Abraham, or Isaac, or Jacob or the nation of Israel? Were they chosen for the good that God saw in them. Did God choose them because he foresaw that they would believe? Perhaps he took a shine to their Jewishness?
And do you think God was unfair in choosing Abraham but passing by millions of others, or doing the same in choosing Israel and passing by other nations?
Or are you saying that we are not to build doctrine on the basis of Old Testament scripture even though 2 Tim 3.16 says all scripture is profitable for doctrine?! Perhaps it should have added, "unless you don't like them"!