“ Reply to Alfred ” Regarding reality to the believer...yes, I agree the sacrifices were finished at his crucifixion.
You must, then, believe the 69th week ended at his baptism...3.5 years before his death?
“ Reply to Alfred ” Dear Friend,
You are assuming that the "tearing of the veil" ended "sacrifice and oblation." Where is your proof to this statement? As a matter of fact, the writer of Hebrews says the opposite: Hebrews 9:25, for example.
“ Reply to Wiggooch ” It seems you are assuming "physical death" and "spiritual death" are one and the same. What if Romans 5:12 speaks of spiritual death? That would imply that Adam was spiritually alive, yes, but more than that: It also allows that he could be spiritually dead and live perpetually in his fallen state had he access to the tree of life, correct?
“ Reply to Chinaman ” Have you ever seen the neighborhood surrounding Dr Paisley's church? Let us not romanticize about what was somehow being what should be.
“ Reply to Mike ” Great question. I have a guess, but that is all it is: It seems that they are raised at the 2nd resurrection. The allowance for this would be in the phrase of Revelation 20:15 "whosoever was not found in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." There seems to be no point in saying that if there are not also those present who, in fact, are in the book of life. It would seem that this resurrection involves the ones of whom you speak since it occurs after the 1000 years.
“ Response to JHB ” Thank you for your interest. I am, as you might expect, trying to control my zeal of uploading information to SermonAudio.com with my desire to connect with my students. Believe it or not, the dynamics of the room change with younger brothers and sister in Christ when they know the class is being recorded. Thanks very much for your kind comment.
“ Another try (Alfred) ” My Brother,
Look at this:
"And yes everyone will get a body. Why even ask that question?"
Because you cannot both have the "1st Resurrection" being the New Birth and have "the rest" not living again until after 1000 years (all of this is Revelation 20:4-6 terminology) somehow including a bodily resurrection for those who were already raised in the First Resurrection!
“ Reply to Alfred ” Brother, as typical, I will tell you that it is an affront for you to post on here and argue for a point to which you wholly ascribe only to refer me to a Jedi-master of some kind. If you are so bold as to adopt a view, become also the same one who can defend it. I ask you again, if the "life" those in the 1st Resurrection are given is the New Birth, then does this mean that those "raised 1000 years later" are given a new birth? If it means they are brought out of graves, then when do those in the 1st Resurrection get their resurrection from graves? Do they get one?
“ Reply to Alfred ” Do those who are resurrected at the end of the 1000 years get a new birth or just a physical resurrection?
If your answer is that "they get a physical resurrection," doesn't the phrase from 20:4-6 "the rest of the dead lived not again until the 1000 years were finished" seem a little strange? Why would "lived" have two different meanings in two verses' time?
Secondly, Doesn't verse 6 seem to indicate that those who partake in the 2nd Resurrection are actually "under the power of the 2nd death?" If so...is there room for believing this is a resurrection that includes believers?
“ Reply to Helen ” You would have a very difficult time convincing Paul that the church is not "true Israel of God." Look at Galatians 3:7 and 6:16.
One more thing, sister. He wouldn't care that you don't like the system...whatever label you give it.
“ Reply to Alfred ” Alfred if the "first resurrection" is the "regeneration of the soul" as you say, then what is the event called when those who are raised after the 1000 years "live again?" Are you arguing that they too are "born again?"
“ Replies to Walter and JHB ” my humble thanks for listening to the sermon. I guess that application of the text was especially painful for me. I began to wonder if my "skillful application" at the end was my way of becoming loved more (as a preacher), or whether it was my way of loving my neighbor more.
"our hearts are idol factories."
