Christopher000 wrote: Thanks for the thoughts, and Frank, thanks for simplifying your position for me. I'm not quite sure why some topics cause such contention, but I'm assuming that once we're stuck on something, then that's it at times. Honestly, this topic always confuses me, and others seem to be worlds aways from me in grasping alternate positions, try as I do. What it boils down to, as far as we're concerned, I guess, is that we just don't know some things for certain, but whichever way anything falls; anything God does is right and just in the end. What do I know.
I don't have time now to post in detail, but suffice it to say that some are poor theologians and are guilty of conflating doctrines and therefore muddling up the issue.
When I have more time, I shall post up some points for consideration which I trust will help everyone.
Blessings bro to you. Still praying for ya.
Blessings to you too Frank, and John UK and GSMontana and to any others who know me.
penned wrote: .....Do the tithes roll in when the message is, "if you live for Christ you will suffer?" .... is Christ worth it? find the one that answers yes, they are the qualified. would these money changers live like some of the pastor friends I've known for others to know Christ, in poverty? in loss of things?
Unprofitable Servant wrote: Hey Observer, always great to see you posting brother!! Just to let you know, now8news is a fake news site, probably none of those tweets are real.
My bad bro and thanks for pointing it out.
I apologize to the brothers and sisters here for not checking this out first before posting. I remembered seeing it from a reputable site some time ago, but could not find it and so I googled for the quote and found it on now8news. Sadly I can't remember which site I saw it on first or when.
GSMontana wrote: sc writes: 15 year olds are not naive. Eh? I know many adults who are naive, how much more so are teenagers? I know I was pretty naive as a teenager and did some stupid stuff that put me in some bad situations. Im only where I am today by the grace of God. She may of put herself in that situation, but that doesnt mean we as Christians shouldnt have compassion on her.
Luke 7:47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.
Tater wrote: It's really sad to see so many "so called" Christians place their hope and confidence behind Donald Trump, a man who admitingly said he doesn't need to ask for forgiveness. Why are we so surprised that these leaders are doing these things and going after this wickedness??? This country is over due for the judgment of God. And a part of his judgment can be seen in the leaders he had given us. Donald Trump and the current president are the leaders we deserve after turning our backs on the greatest light and blessing ever given to a country.
It's far worse than him saying he didn't need forgiving.
Wayfarer Pilgrim wrote: Yes, the NIV sales have been strong..
Not sure where the stats come from for sales of the NIV, but in 2014 March a study by the Center for the Study of Religion and American Culture at Indiana University indicated that 55% of people surveyed indicated that they read the KJV, as opposed to 19% for the NIV.
The statistics portal did a similar survey in 2015 January, and they got 39% KJV to 13% NIV results
My suspicion is that the figures are marketing speak to bolster the reputation of a failed version which was expected to displace the KJV.
Having written what I have about the underlying text, I would add that despite the devil's attempts at corrupting it, the genius of the Word of God is that the same truths are taught again and again in different ways, so that comparing spiritual things with spiritual we can come to the same truths even with a text/translation that the devil has tried to use to corrupt the Word of God. For example we can still prove the deity of Christ even using a JW bible.
Of course the worry is that many of God's people are not alive to the issue of the devil attempting to corrupt God's word and therefore how far will he be allowed to continue to do so until he succeeds in robbing us of the Word? And that is why I feel strongly about the textual issue, and why I believe we need to guard the Ecclesiastical text.
Of course the multi-versionists textual critics have their own version of what I said in my first para in this post, and they couch it in terms of sure we change the text, but it makes no doctrinal difference. If they really believed that, then why tamper with the Ecclesiastical text at all? Especially when no one has ever seen the originals and therefore we can have no certainty at all that despite all their efforts that we are any nearer to them!
John UK wrote: ....I actually believe God's word, and it is a good thing to do.
Bro, just snuck in to have a quick peep and saw yours, and can't resist adding to what you wrote.
Psalm 118 v 8 happens to be the central verse of the Bible, and this is how it reads:
"It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man."
When it comes to the preservation of the text of the New Testament, as with that of the Old Testament, this verse tells us not to trust self appointed popelings who have made a career out of "textual criticism" to establish the correct underlying text, which is a rationalistic discipline born of unbelief in the land of Germany during the 19th century, but to trust the Lord that when he said he would preserve his Word he has done so: in the Old Testament through the nation of Israel and since New Testament times through sound churches. This is the reason that the Byzantine text type is known as the Ecclesiastical Text.
Frank wrote: Now since you would readily agree, there are few if any on this forum that accept JohnY as a brother in Christ. The only one that knows his testimony and accepts him might just be you. If you can name another poster that I might have missed; that would be great. So, you are saying that no one on this forum had been born again except you and our RC parrot. The above was a rhetorical question. I just wanted everyone to see what your comment really meant. You are ecumenical, plain and simply and believe in a name it claim it salvation without the evidence of fruit or doctrinal purity. And, Observer is a very wise brother in Christ. You cannot possibly know that, but he is.
Thank you for the support. I appreciate it very much.
Having seen some other posts also deleted by the over zealous Moderator Beta who is clearly PC about free speech, I'm done with this forum. Its going to the Romanist shills anyway.
Blessings to all the brothers and sisters here till we meet again in glory!
SteveR wrote: I think Christians are still listening to sermons, but they don't comment. I understand, who wants to taint their sincere thankfullness to a Pastor to be shared in this pigs swill of a news forum full of liars, haters, heretics and biblically illiterate deceivers with unChristian agendas?
To Moderator Beta
I do wonder whether the apostle Paul and even our Lord would have been allowed to say on here what is recorded of them in the Bible, because of your pc sensibilities.
But let's leave that to one side for now.
In fairness do you not think that the above comment by our resident "born of the spirit" Romanist shill should also be deleted?
If not, I am seriously considering leaving and never returning.
B. McCausland wrote: βThe fear of the LORD prolongs days:β Pro 10:27 "The fear of the LORD tends to life: and he that has it shall abide satisfied" Pro 19:23 β.. fear the LORD thy God, β¦ that thy days may be prolongedβ Deu 6:2
Unprofitable Servant wrote: You don't run the site and pay the bills. If you or I wish to post here then we must work within the boundaries provided. You can walk into a store that has signs out front no shirt, no shoes, no service with you bare feet, but they also have the right to give you what they promised, no service. You don't have "rights" to demand your way at a site you do not own. They are trying to address a problem and should be commended not condemned for their effort. You can post here all you want, as long as you don't violate the rules is what is being said. If you don't like the rules, start your own site and do whatever you wish on it.
I wonder if this is Presby of a thousand monikers?
1 Timothy 4.1- 5 1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; ....commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
Since meat and drink (including wine) are included in Romans 14 as issues of conscience, these verses are a sobering consideration. They prophesy of the Pharisees who will arise in the end times who think that their asceticism makes them special and that everyone should be an ascetic like them.
The verses speak for themselves.
Take heed of people like sc and BM.
Col 2.20 -23 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using ) after the commandments and doctrines of men? Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
MS wrote: Don't know why my post was removed. I gave only my explanation. Hope you all saw it, if not then so be it and I am finished with this forum. Take care brethren and sisters.
Dear sister, I hope you will reconsider.
I didn't see your post, but don't care what the reason if you are indeed the same person using 2 monikers. You have done nothing wrong. There was no rule previously that stated that only one moniker must be used. I'm sure on occasions we have all done it, and not as was suggested by BM for reasons that would compromise one's integrity.
I sincerely hope that you will reconsider and continue to post. You are loved and appreciated by so many here. It would be a great shame to see casualties from some insane things done by one person.
The reason I put "confused" faces was to intimate that I could not see why the Mod had outed you when so many others could have been outed. That was wholly unfair, and especially as you had nothing to do with Geff and his alter egos.
Blessings to you.
I just read yours. It is an interesting point. How will the new rule be policed in the event of households where more than one person comments. Thankfully, its not my problem.
B. McCausland wrote: What about integrity? The end should not justify the means. Such Christianity makes one cry.
Why judgest thou another yet again? Dost thou have no sins to confess?
Ecclesiastes 7:16 Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself ?
This does appear to be a clamp down and a new rule following the Shenanigans of the person with a multiple personality disorder, which in the Bible is known as legion.
Bro GS is exactly right bro. Please continue to post.
Interesting days we live in, when someone can profess to be a believer and make up not only multiple personalities to talk to, but among them someone who all of a sudden turns to the Lord that they can counsel. Such deceit and lies do not bode well for the person, who I hope is continuing to read these threads. Whoever you are, one day you will have to answer for this to the Lord. I doubt you'll find that scary right now, but it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.