SteveR wrote: .....The issue was how to explain the word 'is' Matthew 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. RCC- Physical Presence-Is actually means Is (Imagine that Sola Scriptura). But only to a point, it took a Priest to make the 'is' happen Luther- Local Presence- Is means an ubiquitious presence Calvin- Spiritual Presence- Is means a spiritual presence for the Elect alone Superficial so called Christians- Is means Isnt SA message board- Is doesnt need theological justification, as long as everyone agrees the RCC is satanic
Dumb, dumb, and dumber. This troll's ignorance and adherence to false teaching simply beggars belief.
The reformers held to a high view because they rejected the literal body and blood but instead made much of the 'IS'?!! ROFL What pathetic reasoning!
Did they have the same issues with I AM THE DOOR, I AM THE VINE, I AM THE LIGHT etc? Maybe the 'AM' is the all important word, eh?
Such utter stupidity, but this troll thinks that this is being spiritual!
Frank wrote: ..When I was young and evangelicals would knock on our door to proclaim Christ or to pass out tracts, we would simply tell them we were Catholics. Catholics didn't consider themselves to be Christian, but Catholics, and the terms were not interchangeable! Now imagine just how much our culture has changed. Tell someone that a Catholic isn't a Christian and you won't ever appear on FOX news or any major media outlet again.
I ain't that young and remember that this was the case even 17-20 years ago. Times sure have changed and the young have no idea of the spiritual sea change that has occurred in our nation.
But, as sister Dorcas says, God is still saving sinners and not even the gates of hell shall prevail against his true church - that includes SteveR's futile attempt to win a following here!
Dorcas wrote: Observer... Most are caught up in catholic/reformed drivel.
Sadly very true. I praise the Lord for leading you and many others out of the Satanic "church" of Rome, and lament that semi-Romanism still infects Protestantism in the guise of the Reformed movement.
Re: Christ's spiritual presence
If Christ promised his presence to 2 or 3 gathered in his name (Matt 18.20) how shall he not be with an entire church met to worship him and hear his word, or during a communion service, when in accordance with his word we meet to remember him and all he did in redeeming us from sin and its penalty and to consider the glory that awaits us when we shall forever be with the Lord. Oh sweet day! Maranatha Lord Jesus.
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema.
Meaning of the term "sacrament", according to the Encyclopaedia Britannica, which is theologically accurate, is as follows:
"..religious sign or symbol, especially associated with Christian churches, in which a sacred or spiritual power is believed to be transmitted through material elements viewed as channels of divine grace."
Material elements viewed as channels of divine grace?! Semi-catholic rubbish.
As for Calvin and the spiritual presence of Christ, how is this different from any other church meeting? For instances the services on the Lord's day? Even Calvin taught superstitious nonsense.
The presence of Christ is only felt or known by faith, not because of any magic in the elements, or any priestcraft, whether performed by Romanists or the Reformed.
As for SteveR, the Satanic agent, he is in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity, and his future, like him, ain't too bright.
MS - wise course of action. Where there ain't a sound church for hours near ya then stay at home. Lord bless bro.
SteveR wrote: Ye know not the Scriptures. Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. Even that Gospel event was under full divine authority. The Sanhedrien had authority from ABOVE and they sinned. They were vessels fitted for destruction so the LORD could make known HIS riches for HIS ELECT Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? Romans 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: Romans 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Barry from KY wrote: Chris, I'm glad that you wound up in a home with Christian parents. A side story, a couple of our kids got adopted, the family considered themselves Christian but hadn't attended church or read the bible in a very long time. The children that had been in our home explained to their adopted family that we prayed and gave thanks at every meal and before bedtime. This family ended up going back to church because of the witness of these little boys. I love that outcome....
Great job Barry. Lord bless you and your immediate and extended family!
Lurker wrote: You're probably right, Steve. Why would I be swayed by the Sanhedrin since they are guilty of the same thing I have been arguing against.... in bed with the civil authorities for the purpose of shedding innocent blood. Mar 15:1 And straightway in the morning the chief priests held a consultation with the elders and scribes and the whole council [Sanhedrin], and bound Jesus, and carried him away, and delivered him to Pilate.
Don't forget bro that they understood as much Scripture as SteveR does - IOW zippo.
SteveR wrote: So far Lurker has ignored Scripture, so rulings from the Sanhedrein are unlikely to sway him/her(imo)
How dumb can one individual be? Lurker has dealt with the Scriptures. This troll just can't refute him and therefore has to belittle him. Oh wait, he belittles everything that don't agree with the devilish doctrines of the Chimera camp viz. that worship of the true God is completely compatible with Baal worship. That God don't mind truth and devilish lies living side by side!
Christopher000 wrote: ... some seem to limit Christianity to some sort of a checklist, not understanding that salvation and the evidence of it goes far beyond attending church and claiming to embrace Christ. Finger pointing is easy, but far to often, those fingers are pointing the wrong way, because by all appearances, Christ is missing from the equation. In the end, droves of people will be in astonishment as they say, "but I did this, I did that", only to be told, "I never kew you" and cast away. Really something to think about. There's a big difference between claiming to be born again because the checklist looks good, and really living and breathing Christ down deep within.
Deltham wrote: Don't forget that the Roman Catholic philosophy is alive and well in the protestant church under the cover of Arminianism. Roman Catholic salvation by works is insidiously and covertly woven into the theological fabric of the Arminians. Plenty examples of this both in the churches and on this comments board. Attacking the Roman Catholic for his/her unbiblical ideology and idolatry may be a waste of time when the people in the protestant pews have swallowed the hook, line and sinker of salvation by man "plus" god.
A representative of the other extreme, but equally erroneous, theology - yep - moniker man, who even when a baby, went to sleep one day an unbeliever and woke up the next a Christian. None of his faculties were in use during his fictional covenant psuedo-conversion, and there is no sign that they have been in use since that day. But, parrot like, he can recite the WCF with his eyes closed.
pennnned wrote: Observer, I'll tell ya, the Protestant v RCC thing gets really old, day after day. As Christians we have responsibilities to deal with what is happening in our society, and many who seem so carnal here just bash catholics, as if that puts them on the right team. that's why I tend to avoid the discussion, but when it comes to the covenant of Christ, it must be clearly stated. glad to have you around. good day.
Agreed the Protestant v RCC thing is really old. But this is all the more reason that we don't allow RCC proponents like John Y and SteveR go unchallenged when they spew their rubbish trying to beguile innocents who may visit SA.
The 'happenings' in our Society all have spiritual roots, and RCC teaching is part of the spiritual problem.
All the political and other ramifications you and the others on here handle well and I ain't gonna get involved with any of that. So glad to have ya around too. Hope you have a blessed day.
pennnned wrote: ...because it is blasphemous to pray in any other name than the name of Christ, who is our only authority and only mediator to the Father. ... which I would imagine would open one up to all kinds of dark things, because one is basically praying to spirits other than God. ... the transparent evils of American evangelical communities, their refusal to take responsibility for other things does not make this ok.
You've joined the ranks of the raging heathen now.
Raging, murderous Romans Catholics are okay, as are raging murderous Protestants. But, we must never use the sword of the Spirit to condemn errors or insist that Roman Catholics are not saved.
Worshiping Baal for 2 hours and then turning to worship Jehovah for 20 minutes was perfectly acceptable in the OT, right? God is not a jealous God, right? We have no commandments in the NT to shun false teaching, right? God is perfectly happy with an admixture of truth and error, right? If you answer no to any of the above, you clearly are NOT reading the same Bible as SteveR and are in need of a real education.
SteveR wrote: ...Just because they spend 2 hours in prayer to Mary before they get the courage to spend 20 min to pray to Christ, doesnt absolve their relationship with Christ.....
Spiritual dumbness marks every post of this troll!
First, he is assuming that they have a relationship with Christ to absolve, which is plain dumb since they do not accept that salvation is by grace through faith alone, nor that there is such a thing as spiritual birth; a radical experience.
Secondly, even if we assume that such a relationship does exist, his contention that a syncretistic religion does offend a pure and holy God is pure and utter drivel. What part of the Bible does he read to come anywhere near justifying Christ plus something is still acceptable to God?!!
What can we seriously expect from a person still dead in his sins? Not truth for sure.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Engineer, I have missed your comments through the years and some of the other folks who are KJVO only school. Except for that, I found many of your ideas right on if this Chinese version of the Bible is based on something other than the 1984 version of the NIV, then I would disapprove of it also. I would support John MacArthur's idea on The Biblical Position on The KJV Controversy However, I was looking for a place to put this comment, because the people in Hong Kong have other things to worry about besides Bible versions. Democracy Backers in Hong Kong Face Tough Choices
Never happy unless you're agitating the KJV controversy, eh Jim? Why else post on a thread where the last post (by Engineer) is dated 4/29/06?!!
Unprofitable Servant wrote: I John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: I John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Your own words condemn you as you acknowledge and list the abominations done in the church you love. Your argument is not with me but with God's Word, take it up with Him. There is a difference between what we would say to the unsaved to be turn to God and the actions that show forth from one who states he is born of the Spirit, so your argument that I am adding a requirement to salvation is false. You are claiming salvation not only for you but Catholics in general. Your lack of spiritual fruit is the matter at hand, it is that which shows you walk in darkness. Matthew 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
Shane wrote: " We have adopted a convenient theory That the Bible is a book to be explained, whereas first and foremost it is a book to be believed... There is a world of difference between knowing the Word of God and knowing the God of the Word." Leonard Ravenhill
Great to see ya posting again, and a great quote bro!
Welcome back bro! Hope the trip to the dentist was not too painful.
Lurker wrote: Steve surely is a piece of work. ...I'm probably the only person on this board who gives him the benefit of the doubt that he's a Christian. Yet he tries every dirty trick in the book to make me out to be a heretic...
I wrote you a couple days ago. Hope you got that.
SteveR sure is a devil. Not sure how you reckon him to be a Christian, but I respect your right to be wrong!
Enforced uniformity Presby style certainly means a licence to kill nonconformists. Read the WCF, for instance:
The civil magistrate may not assume to himself the administration of the Word and sacraments, or the power of the keys of the kingdom of heaven: yet he hath authority, and it is his duty, to take order, that unity and peace be preserved in the Church, that the truth of God be kept pure and entire; that all blasphemies and heresies be suppressed; all corruptions and abuses in worship and discipline prevented or reformed; and all the ordinances of God duly settled, administered, and observed. For the better effecting whereof, he hath power to call synods, to be present at them, and to provide that whatsoever is transacted in them be according to the mind of God.
Of course the magistrate has to be Presby himself!! Doh!