SteveR wrote: That doesnt sound like Dopey, but one has to consider Troll spammer and Observer are one in the same. Two people that ignorant on the same board? With the same arguments? Its surprising to see one up in the early morning, but both? No wonder observer cant sleep, he even deceives his friends
THE single most ignorant person on the board, speaking of others being ignorant. Now ain't that a surprise.
And how comes you're up early? Perhaps ya and Dopey are the same person, seeing as ya both appeared early this morning to do some trolling?
I'll check in later this evening DV, for the next episode of hate garbage from SteveR.
John UK wrote: Observer, good to hear from you again! Yes, this is one of those subjects which I think it necessary to have a complete overview of scripture in order to reach a decent conclusion. But then it becomes difficult to produce an argument in short space. I can see now that proof texts are not always helpful, and sometimes cause an error, such as the case in hand. Whereas reading through the Bible over and over and over, many times over, should always do the job. But some good preachers are like good politicians, they can sway the vote by sheer excellence of speech.
Yep, spot on as ever!
I can't remember the last time I heard a preacher preach in the power of the Holy Spirit; the preaching just goes from bad to worse. Biblical illiteracy has increased so much despite the availability of good books and training. There is a famine of the word in a land where we still have a high number of professing believers. But when you look at their staple diet in terms of the junk that's read, one cannot wonder at the ignorance. ______________
Didn't mean to ignore ya bro. Not sure about staying. Something about the trolls on here leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
SteveR wrote: (ahem) Not only did you not understand what I posted, you duh'd over the most important part. ....vacuous nonsense...
However in the midst of death and destruction, parties to violence, supporting even Irish stavations, their index fingers covered in blood pointed straghtly towards the RCC as the antichrist. What hypocrisy The WCF is a great document, but it contained truths taught long before the WCF. The bad parts have since been amended. That is why the devil hates it, and perhaps why you hate it too? Your favorite parts have been taken out
Ya really are the most ignorant person I've ever known, and arrogant to boot. It was a "civil war" based on political differences not religious. And sure in wars people get killed whatever their persuasion or nationality. Duh!
I'm sure there is more ignorance ya'll want to throw at this.
As for the WCF, they voiced the unanimous consensus of the Reformed that the Pope is the Man of sin, that Anti-Christ. Ya just can't stand it because of your love of error and untruths and because ya want the Anti-Christ to succeed in subverting the Gospel. That is after all your mission on this board.
Now go Google some more to spread more Catholic revisionist history on this board.
John UK wrote: Gil Rugh correctly said: "The challenge for us is to approach the Bible to learn and study what it says without reading into it what we want it to say." As an unchurched convert, I had no preconceptions concerning the endtimes. No-one had influenced me at all with regard to dispensationalist or any other ist, because I was starting from scratch. Thus, I had read through the Bible twice before anyone tried to convince me of anything concerning the millenium, and singlehandedly I reached an understanding of endtimes which some folks apparently refer to as a-millennialism. So yes, Gil is right, and so am I.
It's easy when ya let the word teach ya! My contention is still that if the Dispys had not read any of the works explaining the system of belief, they would never have arrived at it themselves! And that should always ring warning bells for believers.
SteveR wrote: .... Westminster Assembly was subject to the -Act of Supremacy.. Blah... The good news for the wicked was they could legally kill Catholics for treason.
The assembly was convened by the long parliament during the time of the civil wars. Since that war was between the King and the parliament, the Act of Supremacy was not in point. Not that anyone here trusts anything ya post, but I thought I should correct such a negligent and foolish error.
As for killing of Catholics, unlike the Catholics who made murder a religious sport, only those who committed political treason were killed by the Prot authorities.
The act of uniformity was passed not by the Assembly but by the monarch upon the restoration affecting many who were in the assembly. Duh!
SteveR wrote: ..... anywho....The most theologically sound Presbyterian Synod revised Chap 25 eliminating the foolish charge ...
Theologically sound? Horse dung!
The Pope is indeed that Anti-Christ, that man of sin and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the church against Christ, and all that is called God. This is accepted by Bible believing churches but not by ignorant liberals or funnily by the whore church or the man of sin.
ladybug wrote: Good to hear from you Observer, and kudos to John UK concerning the new birth. It's strange how many overlook these verses from Matthew 7 - 'Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.' This certainly shoots holes thru the 'wider mercy' belief of Schuller, Graham, and all who adhere to such. It would seem Graham's accursed gospel is just as sinful.
Indeed Ladybug and even more specific in Acts 4.12, "...Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved...". Appears that this is too narrow for the 'broad minded'!
Nice to see you still here, and I should add that your posts are always edifying.
ladybug wrote: ....... Dr. Schuller: ‚ÄúThis is fantastic. I‚Äôm so thrilled to hear you say that. There‚Äôs a wideness in God‚Äôs mercy.‚ÄĚ
Hi y'all. Hope you're all having a blessed Lord's Day.
Just looking in and saw your post Ladybug. This is the Chimera gospel, the hope of SteveR and his fella false religionists, like Schuller and Graham.
The fact that our nation is being given over to this and other false gospels is a great judgement upon this once blessed country. Oh Lord, remember mercy in the midst of wrath!
As for SteveR, I see that he just cannot contain his unregenerate nature and that he's still pouring out his stinking bile on all the true children of God. May The Lord deal with him according to his works.
SteveR wrote: .....The issue was how to explain the word 'is' Matthew 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. RCC- Physical Presence-Is actually means Is (Imagine that Sola Scriptura). But only to a point, it took a Priest to make the 'is' happen Luther- Local Presence- Is means an ubiquitious presence Calvin- Spiritual Presence- Is means a spiritual presence for the Elect alone Superficial so called Christians- Is means Isnt SA message board- Is doesnt need theological justification, as long as everyone agrees the RCC is satanic
Dumb, dumb, and dumber. This troll's ignorance and adherence to false teaching simply beggars belief.
The reformers held to a high view because they rejected the literal body and blood but instead made much of the 'IS'?!! ROFL What pathetic reasoning!
Did they have the same issues with I AM THE DOOR, I AM THE VINE, I AM THE LIGHT etc? Maybe the 'AM' is the all important word, eh?
Such utter stupidity, but this troll thinks that this is being spiritual!
Frank wrote: ..When I was young and evangelicals would knock on our door to proclaim Christ or to pass out tracts, we would simply tell them we were Catholics. Catholics didn't consider themselves to be Christian, but Catholics, and the terms were not interchangeable! Now imagine just how much our culture has changed. Tell someone that a Catholic isn't a Christian and you won't ever appear on FOX news or any major media outlet again.
I ain't that young and remember that this was the case even 17-20 years ago. Times sure have changed and the young have no idea of the spiritual sea change that has occurred in our nation.
But, as sister Dorcas says, God is still saving sinners and not even the gates of hell shall prevail against his true church - that includes SteveR's futile attempt to win a following here!
Dorcas wrote: Observer... Most are caught up in catholic/reformed drivel.
Sadly very true. I praise the Lord for leading you and many others out of the Satanic "church" of Rome, and lament that semi-Romanism still infects Protestantism in the guise of the Reformed movement.
Re: Christ's spiritual presence
If Christ promised his presence to 2 or 3 gathered in his name (Matt 18.20) how shall he not be with an entire church met to worship him and hear his word, or during a communion service, when in accordance with his word we meet to remember him and all he did in redeeming us from sin and its penalty and to consider the glory that awaits us when we shall forever be with the Lord. Oh sweet day! Maranatha Lord Jesus.
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema.
Meaning of the term "sacrament", according to the Encyclopaedia Britannica, which is theologically accurate, is as follows:
"..religious sign or symbol, especially associated with Christian churches, in which a sacred or spiritual power is believed to be transmitted through material elements viewed as channels of divine grace."
Material elements viewed as channels of divine grace?! Semi-catholic rubbish.
As for Calvin and the spiritual presence of Christ, how is this different from any other church meeting? For instances the services on the Lord's day? Even Calvin taught superstitious nonsense.
The presence of Christ is only felt or known by faith, not because of any magic in the elements, or any priestcraft, whether performed by Romanists or the Reformed.
As for SteveR, the Satanic agent, he is in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity, and his future, like him, ain't too bright.
MS - wise course of action. Where there ain't a sound church for hours near ya then stay at home. Lord bless bro.
SteveR wrote: Ye know not the Scriptures. Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. Even that Gospel event was under full divine authority. The Sanhedrien had authority from ABOVE and they sinned. They were vessels fitted for destruction so the LORD could make known HIS riches for HIS ELECT Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? Romans 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: Romans 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Barry from KY wrote: Chris, I'm glad that you wound up in a home with Christian parents. A side story, a couple of our kids got adopted, the family considered themselves Christian but hadn't attended church or read the bible in a very long time. The children that had been in our home explained to their adopted family that we prayed and gave thanks at every meal and before bedtime. This family ended up going back to church because of the witness of these little boys. I love that outcome....
Great job Barry. Lord bless you and your immediate and extended family!
Lurker wrote: You're probably right, Steve. Why would I be swayed by the Sanhedrin since they are guilty of the same thing I have been arguing against.... in bed with the civil authorities for the purpose of shedding innocent blood. Mar 15:1 And straightway in the morning the chief priests held a consultation with the elders and scribes and the whole council [Sanhedrin], and bound Jesus, and carried him away, and delivered him to Pilate.
Don't forget bro that they understood as much Scripture as SteveR does - IOW zippo.
SteveR wrote: So far Lurker has ignored Scripture, so rulings from the Sanhedrein are unlikely to sway him/her(imo)
How dumb can one individual be? Lurker has dealt with the Scriptures. This troll just can't refute him and therefore has to belittle him. Oh wait, he belittles everything that don't agree with the devilish doctrines of the Chimera camp viz. that worship of the true God is completely compatible with Baal worship. That God don't mind truth and devilish lies living side by side!
Christopher000 wrote: ... some seem to limit Christianity to some sort of a checklist, not understanding that salvation and the evidence of it goes far beyond attending church and claiming to embrace Christ. Finger pointing is easy, but far to often, those fingers are pointing the wrong way, because by all appearances, Christ is missing from the equation. In the end, droves of people will be in astonishment as they say, "but I did this, I did that", only to be told, "I never kew you" and cast away. Really something to think about. There's a big difference between claiming to be born again because the checklist looks good, and really living and breathing Christ down deep within.
Deltham wrote: Don't forget that the Roman Catholic philosophy is alive and well in the protestant church under the cover of Arminianism. Roman Catholic salvation by works is insidiously and covertly woven into the theological fabric of the Arminians. Plenty examples of this both in the churches and on this comments board. Attacking the Roman Catholic for his/her unbiblical ideology and idolatry may be a waste of time when the people in the protestant pews have swallowed the hook, line and sinker of salvation by man "plus" god.
A representative of the other extreme, but equally erroneous, theology - yep - moniker man, who even when a baby, went to sleep one day an unbeliever and woke up the next a Christian. None of his faculties were in use during his fictional covenant psuedo-conversion, and there is no sign that they have been in use since that day. But, parrot like, he can recite the WCF with his eyes closed.
pennnned wrote: Observer, I'll tell ya, the Protestant v RCC thing gets really old, day after day. As Christians we have responsibilities to deal with what is happening in our society, and many who seem so carnal here just bash catholics, as if that puts them on the right team. that's why I tend to avoid the discussion, but when it comes to the covenant of Christ, it must be clearly stated. glad to have you around. good day.
Agreed the Protestant v RCC thing is really old. But this is all the more reason that we don't allow RCC proponents like John Y and SteveR go unchallenged when they spew their rubbish trying to beguile innocents who may visit SA.
The 'happenings' in our Society all have spiritual roots, and RCC teaching is part of the spiritual problem.
All the political and other ramifications you and the others on here handle well and I ain't gonna get involved with any of that. So glad to have ya around too. Hope you have a blessed day.