I'll admit that I haven't studied a lot on kjv only reasoning. I also have not taken the time to thoroughly read thru every comment on this thread. But what does seem to be missing is the classification categories of the modern translations. Not all of them are equal. For instance, there are the paraphrase translations like the "message", thought for thought translations (NIV, NLT), and then word for word translations (ESV, NAS, KJV). I'm not seeing a problem with the word for word translations and honestly, some of the more recent word for words have been translated from earlier manuscripts than the KJV. I haven't noticed any significant difference in the meaning of the texts in those word for word translations I have read. That being said, I currently reading from the 1599 Geneva Bible and enjoying it very much. I never recommend the NIV (esp. since the 2011 revision came out)... Many strong pastors use the modern word for word: Voddie uses ESV, Paul Washer uses NASB, Joe Morecraft uses NASB, etc... I don't want to be disagreeable and I will look more into this issue as I get time... But don't make the mistake of putting all recent translations into the same boat.... They are not all equal..
MS -I didn't interpret your comment at all in that way. I appreciate you convictions and your sharing them! I agree with the rest of your post too... Accurate assessment....... Heading for shelter now! Lol!!
Hi MS! Great to see you post! I admire your strong stance. My husband hasn't made that strong of a decision for us, but we only rarely attend an RC event. It just happens that I've had two back to back situations this spring... So it's all fresh in my mind. A college buddy of my hubby's was killed in a freak accident and we felt that we would have an opportunity to witness to old friends at his funeral. Then a graduation for kindergarteners and 6th graders... My friend desperately wanted us to come for her son (who is like a son to me). I had no idea there was a mass before the ceremony... Otherwise I would have just come late..... The priest spoke about everybody going to heaven and even my 10 year old commented later about his wrong theology.... So many deceived..... And so many who just don't even care..... My mother-in-law is one of them....
If you are participating in the mass, then you are praying to Mary, the saints, and taking part in the idolatry of the Eucharist. For example: ....and I ask blessed Mary ever virgin, all the angels and saints, and you my brothers and sisters to pray for me to the lord our god... That is part of the liturgy that is said in unison every mass. The RC does worship "a jesus" as a god.... But he does not have the same attributes as THE Jesus of the Bible. So the RC Jesus and the RC God are not the one true triune God despite what they claim. You seem to have made an idol out of the RC.... Regardless of having full knowledge of its false teachings. Being a born again ex-catholic, I am nauseated when I have to attend a mass that happens to be a part of a funeral, wedding, or graduation. The false doctrine is so blatantly obvious. It pains me to see plain scriptural doctrines twisted and my Lord degraded.
God has not given us a spirit of fear... And I'm certainly not fearing that I won't get to retire and play golf all day because I lost significant years of paying into the system.... BYW: Voddie baucham has great teaching about college and most degrees not being worth the paper they're printed on....
Barney, your comments are not founded upon solid research (I.e. - working class are supporting homeschooling families...) I know of ZERO homeschooling families who rely on the govt. to give them a social security check in order to afford homeschooling. Especially in the case of Christian homeschoolers whose goal is to train their children to fear the Lord in the Deut. 6 and Eph. 6 mandate, we have husbands who work hard to provide at an outside job and/or family economy and we actually DOUBLE PAY on our children as not only do we purchase the curriculum, we pay state taxes to support our local schools which our children do not attend. A more likely scenario is that the working class (including HS families) are paying taxes to support the welfare system which enables a significant populous to not work... Giving them a hand out and not a hand up. As for single parents homeschooling... Yes it can be done and it is done... Is it easy? No... But neither is the Christian walk! Your views sound very socialistic... Kind of like the news article that recommended not reading bedtime stories to your kids because it gives them an unfair advantage.... Life isn't fair... On many levels. Which is why my trust is put in the Word of God and not the governments of men. God has not given us a spiri
What is the cost of your child's soul and shouldn't we do everything we can to apply the effectual means of grace the Lord has given us to point them in the direction of the cross? Certainly it requires much more self sacrifice than 2 hours on Sunday. It may even require downsizing your lifestyle, turning away from the "nanny state" who will provide for you from womb to tomb, and putting your faith in the Lord to provide our DAILY bread. Don't we pray that in the Lord's Prayer? Too many people have a form of Godliness but deny its power. So I ask again, what is the worth of our children's souls.
Mourner- I'm not sure if Voddie is formally associated with Scott.. But they do have similar ideas of not segregating the family for worship (ie youth groups, children's church, and SS). Voddie has a good sermon on youth groups that he did a few years ago. So he is passionate about not enabling fathers to abdicate their duty to teach their children. He has preached much about family integration and family worship... So I suppose that's why he was asked about it.... I'm happy to answer any other questions if u have them... I hope I answered what u were asking... Blessings on your day!
I agree, Frank... I do feel sorry for kids in schools, tho... I remember when I was in high school (in a tiny, Kansas town with Christian Science teachers (20 ish yrs ago)) trying to reconcile the Bible with millions of years which were presented as fact. I always denied evolution, but I guess I believed the old Earth as there was never an alternative set in front of me. I remember reconciling creation and old earth with the loooooong day theory and never gave it more thought. Yes, theistic evolution is more dangerous as it is like the frog in warm water heating up slowly allegory. I was an adult before I was under sound teaching that I saw the fallacy of my reasoning. But it certainly makes me more watchful as to what I teach my kids, so I am thankful for that! We cannot be apathetic in our culture and maintain a Biblical faith. Thanks for your comment!
Is the education in public schools rooted in the fear of the Lord? Are latch key kids part of what scripture defines as a child left to himself? It seem really obvious as to what a Christian parent should prioritize. Do we love their souls as much as we love their and our "toys"? I would highly recommend Kevin Swanson's little book called: Keep the Faith Volume 1 on education. He researched and compiled what the church fathers had to say about education of children. It's a great resource! We had to completely restructure our lives when we realized we were being disobedient to renewing our children's minds and taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ. The Lord has been faithful to our leap of faith and trusting Him and His word with the raising of our children.
MS- I would hate to see you leave as I appreciate your comments and thoughts... And even tho I haven't been posting for a long time, I have been casually following the SA news and browsing the comments for a couple of years. If theologically sound posters leave, then who wins? The offensive posters? Then this news forum will cease to be a place to "pick each others' brains". Many types of people find their way to SA to listen to sound teaching via the sermons. Ultimately, they find their way to the news site. You are an asset. Don't let a couple of bad apples ruin the whole bunch!!!
Hmmmmmmm, Frank... I don't know the individual personalities of the moderators.... I'm guessing u got censored because u had cut/pasted the offending comment into ur post. But I would like to know why I got censored???? Hope your day is blessed!
Thanks!! Thanks so much for doing this program! Our children aren't quite to that age yet, but this model is our heart for their future relationships. However, there are not local models in our community to gain wise counsel from on courtship. Thank you for letting these men share their wisdom!
Ladybug... (Again)... I will definitely check out the book by Pink you recommended. I have his book, The sovereignty of God and I very much enjoyed it as well as Tozer's Knowledge of the Holy which I have been through multiple times. There is far too little teaching about God's attributes today. Many times last year before we changed churches, we would study an attribute in One True God and then go to church and the pastor would preach the opposite of what the scriptures taught....
Ladybug, thanks for your quote from AW Pink... That definitely sums up what I see in western Christianity today! Also, my children and I are working thru Paul Washer's "True Nature of Man" and this morning's lesson pointed out some attributes of Satan that are applicable here: he disguises himself as an angel of light, he lies and deceives, he blinds the minds of unbelievers, and he tempts... The kids and I discussed this article/concept in light of the scriptures supporting these characteristics. Thanks for your post!
Yes, Frank and Ladybug.... Good comments. What a sad thing for her to have lived such a life of self sacrifice, caring for the physical needs of the poor. Yet she did not give them the truth of the gospel which could have nurtured their souls. Yes, Frank, when we were on a mission trip to Madagascar, we did see first hand how the RCC "converted" the people but did not require that they give up their animism and ancestral worship. This, of course, did not result in changed lives and spiritual rebirth.
I have learned so much from this man. He has been greatly used by God in rightly expounding the scriptures. If u haven't listened to his sermon on why he is going to Africa, it is very good (easily found in the staff picks area). Interesting thought, Pennny.