Ladybug, I'm glad you have contacted her personally and hopefully will be able to assess on a personal level what she believes. That is loving. I don't know if she shared the gospel with the sodomites. Generally, I've found that those who deliberately seek to make a scene by going somewhere where they know they will be denied when they will be served by someplace down the street, they are generally hardened to the gospel and perhaps it is casting pearls before swine. They tend to have another agenda. So who knows. If she did share the gospel would the media report it? I don't know her, I don't know her heart, she hadn't been a household name long enough for me to accurately assess her fruits (like.. Say... Donald Trump)... So I'm just trying to be cautious and give her the benefit of the doubt until I know enough to apply 1 John principles in judging her fruit... Or lack there of. I ask myself this: if I'm wrong, would I rather be wrong by supporting a wolf in sheep's clothing, or would I rather be wrong by slaying one of the sheep? Tough issues and tough questions. Ps-tough to compare her to JY as he is on here to personally interact with us posters. We see more of his heart by his answering questions, and we've "known" him for quite awhile. We can't say that for KD. I app
As for her rights, she is a civil magistrate in realm of her job description. She is upholding the laws which she was elected to uphold in the capacity in which she is able. According to Romans 14, my understanding is that we obey the government unless they forbid what God commands or command what God forbids. I think she is objecting the best she knows how... Perhaps the Lord has brought her to that position for such a time as this...
I'm only saying that we should be very careful in how we love our brother and should examine ourselves for logs in our own eyes first. I love my sisters in Christ! I love what many of you have commented on here at SA in the past (especially and including MS and Ladybug). I find it edifying and encouraging. I'm concerned about where our country is heading. If it continues down this trajectory, we will all need the support of God's elect. Will we have it? Oh, I pray we will!
Ladybug, Yes, I disagree with that denominational theology... If you carefully read what I wrote, just because someone attends a certain church does not necessarily mean they agree with every point of that denominational doctrine. It may... It may not... As for her individually, we don't know if she hold to each point of that doctrine. What we do know is that she claims Christ. She did not say she had a powerful testimony... That's not what I said. Someone else said it was a powerful testimony. My point is that there are judgements being passed upon her based solely on the theology of a church.... And she may not even believe those things. I have friends that go to a Pentecostal church who are most definitely saved and they do not agree with all of the doctrine of their church. I also know saved Catholics who do not agree with the Catholic doctrine, but have not left. My church's doctrine is psalms only and no musical instruments. While I love it, I don't believe it has to be that way... I'm sure there are a lot of us that don't agree with every single point of each denominational doctrine.
As for her "powerful testimony", she did not write those words, so criticizing her and dogging her about the power or lack thereof isn't fair. And furthermore, we don't know whether or not she shared Christ with others in jail or not. Do you really think the media would report that? I think we are on a slippery slope here... Satan doesn't have to work real hard to take down the sheep when the other sheep do the work for him...
So what do you propose we/she do? There has to be a point where we stand up against tyranny and ungodly laws. Our lesser magistrates standing up for biblical doctrines seem to be a way of limiting tyrannical powers coming down the pipe. Kudos to her for making a stand and trying to enforce the laws of Kentucky which were also voted on by her constituents (as I understand). I also was under the impression that without her name on those licenses, they aren't even valid... So it seems like she is acting in a sly way to abide by judge's orders, yet still make her point.
I think we need to be very careful here about her theology. We are told that we are to love the brethren and others would even recognize us by that love. It does not say that we are to love those brethren who have only perfect theology. And there are lots of solid Christians with good theology who attend not so good churches for whatever reason... So you can't make an absolutely confident assessment of her theology based only upon her denomination. There are also churches in apostate denominations that are solid but haven't broken away from the denomination. Perhaps hers is one of them??? I don't know, and you probably don't either. Christians tend to cannibalize each other... Shame on us!
Christopher, sorry for your loss. One way we look at it is this: people's bodies get sick and they die. We can be sick in a physical way as well as in a mental way, and can die from either one. Sometimes, a sickness mentally can cause a person to do the unthinkable and it doesn't necessarily mean that they were not saved any more than a mortal physical ailment means you aren't saved. As far as people saying that he couldn't ask forgiveness for that, Jesus died for our sins: past, present, and future. We all will have unconfessed sin when we die for things that we didn't even know were sin. The person who dies in a car wreck probably didn't confess everything right at that moment either. That's my two cents...
I'll admit that I haven't studied a lot on kjv only reasoning. I also have not taken the time to thoroughly read thru every comment on this thread. But what does seem to be missing is the classification categories of the modern translations. Not all of them are equal. For instance, there are the paraphrase translations like the "message", thought for thought translations (NIV, NLT), and then word for word translations (ESV, NAS, KJV). I'm not seeing a problem with the word for word translations and honestly, some of the more recent word for words have been translated from earlier manuscripts than the KJV. I haven't noticed any significant difference in the meaning of the texts in those word for word translations I have read. That being said, I currently reading from the 1599 Geneva Bible and enjoying it very much. I never recommend the NIV (esp. since the 2011 revision came out)... Many strong pastors use the modern word for word: Voddie uses ESV, Paul Washer uses NASB, Joe Morecraft uses NASB, etc... I don't want to be disagreeable and I will look more into this issue as I get time... But don't make the mistake of putting all recent translations into the same boat.... They are not all equal..
MS -I didn't interpret your comment at all in that way. I appreciate you convictions and your sharing them! I agree with the rest of your post too... Accurate assessment....... Heading for shelter now! Lol!!
Hi MS! Great to see you post! I admire your strong stance. My husband hasn't made that strong of a decision for us, but we only rarely attend an RC event. It just happens that I've had two back to back situations this spring... So it's all fresh in my mind. A college buddy of my hubby's was killed in a freak accident and we felt that we would have an opportunity to witness to old friends at his funeral. Then a graduation for kindergarteners and 6th graders... My friend desperately wanted us to come for her son (who is like a son to me). I had no idea there was a mass before the ceremony... Otherwise I would have just come late..... The priest spoke about everybody going to heaven and even my 10 year old commented later about his wrong theology.... So many deceived..... And so many who just don't even care..... My mother-in-law is one of them....
If you are participating in the mass, then you are praying to Mary, the saints, and taking part in the idolatry of the Eucharist. For example: ....and I ask blessed Mary ever virgin, all the angels and saints, and you my brothers and sisters to pray for me to the lord our god... That is part of the liturgy that is said in unison every mass. The RC does worship "a jesus" as a god.... But he does not have the same attributes as THE Jesus of the Bible. So the RC Jesus and the RC God are not the one true triune God despite what they claim. You seem to have made an idol out of the RC.... Regardless of having full knowledge of its false teachings. Being a born again ex-catholic, I am nauseated when I have to attend a mass that happens to be a part of a funeral, wedding, or graduation. The false doctrine is so blatantly obvious. It pains me to see plain scriptural doctrines twisted and my Lord degraded.
God has not given us a spirit of fear... And I'm certainly not fearing that I won't get to retire and play golf all day because I lost significant years of paying into the system.... BYW: Voddie baucham has great teaching about college and most degrees not being worth the paper they're printed on....
Barney, your comments are not founded upon solid research (I.e. - working class are supporting homeschooling families...) I know of ZERO homeschooling families who rely on the govt. to give them a social security check in order to afford homeschooling. Especially in the case of Christian homeschoolers whose goal is to train their children to fear the Lord in the Deut. 6 and Eph. 6 mandate, we have husbands who work hard to provide at an outside job and/or family economy and we actually DOUBLE PAY on our children as not only do we purchase the curriculum, we pay state taxes to support our local schools which our children do not attend. A more likely scenario is that the working class (including HS families) are paying taxes to support the welfare system which enables a significant populous to not work... Giving them a hand out and not a hand up. As for single parents homeschooling... Yes it can be done and it is done... Is it easy? No... But neither is the Christian walk! Your views sound very socialistic... Kind of like the news article that recommended not reading bedtime stories to your kids because it gives them an unfair advantage.... Life isn't fair... On many levels. Which is why my trust is put in the Word of God and not the governments of men. God has not given us a spiri
What is the cost of your child's soul and shouldn't we do everything we can to apply the effectual means of grace the Lord has given us to point them in the direction of the cross? Certainly it requires much more self sacrifice than 2 hours on Sunday. It may even require downsizing your lifestyle, turning away from the "nanny state" who will provide for you from womb to tomb, and putting your faith in the Lord to provide our DAILY bread. Don't we pray that in the Lord's Prayer? Too many people have a form of Godliness but deny its power. So I ask again, what is the worth of our children's souls.
Mourner- I'm not sure if Voddie is formally associated with Scott.. But they do have similar ideas of not segregating the family for worship (ie youth groups, children's church, and SS). Voddie has a good sermon on youth groups that he did a few years ago. So he is passionate about not enabling fathers to abdicate their duty to teach their children. He has preached much about family integration and family worship... So I suppose that's why he was asked about it.... I'm happy to answer any other questions if u have them... I hope I answered what u were asking... Blessings on your day!
I agree, Frank... I do feel sorry for kids in schools, tho... I remember when I was in high school (in a tiny, Kansas town with Christian Science teachers (20 ish yrs ago)) trying to reconcile the Bible with millions of years which were presented as fact. I always denied evolution, but I guess I believed the old Earth as there was never an alternative set in front of me. I remember reconciling creation and old earth with the loooooong day theory and never gave it more thought. Yes, theistic evolution is more dangerous as it is like the frog in warm water heating up slowly allegory. I was an adult before I was under sound teaching that I saw the fallacy of my reasoning. But it certainly makes me more watchful as to what I teach my kids, so I am thankful for that! We cannot be apathetic in our culture and maintain a Biblical faith. Thanks for your comment!
Is the education in public schools rooted in the fear of the Lord? Are latch key kids part of what scripture defines as a child left to himself? It seem really obvious as to what a Christian parent should prioritize. Do we love their souls as much as we love their and our "toys"? I would highly recommend Kevin Swanson's little book called: Keep the Faith Volume 1 on education. He researched and compiled what the church fathers had to say about education of children. It's a great resource! We had to completely restructure our lives when we realized we were being disobedient to renewing our children's minds and taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ. The Lord has been faithful to our leap of faith and trusting Him and His word with the raising of our children.
MS- I would hate to see you leave as I appreciate your comments and thoughts... And even tho I haven't been posting for a long time, I have been casually following the SA news and browsing the comments for a couple of years. If theologically sound posters leave, then who wins? The offensive posters? Then this news forum will cease to be a place to "pick each others' brains". Many types of people find their way to SA to listen to sound teaching via the sermons. Ultimately, they find their way to the news site. You are an asset. Don't let a couple of bad apples ruin the whole bunch!!!