Thanks Frank! I see where you are coming from. I would also venture to say that someone "running" for elder or deacon at 99% of our "churches" on that platform would also get "booed" off of the stage. Lol... Funny but not funny too...?? the fundamental worldview of most Christ-claiming westerners falls quite short of being biblical. The older I get, the more aware I become of just how "narrow" the narrow road is. (And BTW, I think far differently than most of my contemporaries too.??)
I'm just going to throw this out there... because Frank's comments about governmental office oaths have caused me some thought. I do think that their are some (not many) strong christians in government positions. I think that the "checks and balances" nature of our heirarchy allows for one with a christian conscience to have some freedom to oppose something that is in disagreement to his christian conscience. As for the 'taking of the oath"... I don't know. When you get married, aren't you really entering into an oath with another person? Or when you sign a contract to buy a house or perform a job, isn't that (in effect) an oath... just less public than our national offices? Didn't the spies swear to protect Rahab? What about the Genesis account of Abraham "grabbing the thigh"? I'm not trying to be disagreeable, please don't take it as such. I'm just trying to think through this. I'm wondering if the command meant something a bit deeper: maybe that the content of your character is such that your yes really means yes and vice versa to the extent that you really don't need a legal document to prove your trustworthiness??? ...Just a few humble thoughts and questions that have crossed my mind on this topic...
Sorry for the poor composition in my previous post... It is kind of hard to preview and edit in this tiny box . I wanted to add that the other disturbing thing to me is the lack of concern dr.s have for childhood nutrition and lifestyle in the scope of healthcare. I've never once been to the dr. where they asked or cared about their diet. But even question the vx schedule and you are a terrible, ignorant parent. Feed them McDonald's 3 times a day, any candy they want, & get your shots and you're a good parent. Never mind that you set them up for heart disease, diabetes, dental issues, and the like. We Americans certainly wouldn't want to change our lifestyles as long as we can just get a shot or a pill to keep us "healthy". But again, the issue is parent choice. If we give this one up, our freedoms will exponentially erode away.
The big issue here is parent choice. If you remove that, you place government in control of "their" child. There are many more vx coming down the pipe and you would be forced to get every one. Where does it stop? They will take that power to force you to place your kids on the pill, the implant, or even sterilize them as govt. sees fit. In fact, our country has historically done this and it is not below them to do it again. In fact, they already do it to some extent within the foster care system. Where does it stop? Forced euthanasia and forced abortions come right along with this line of thought. Parents have the right to make informed healthcare decisions for their children... Govt. never takes an amount of power from the people and then willingly gives it back.
i follow this board a lot but rarely comment as my thoughts are usually already posted by many of those who regularly post. I'm a homeschooling mom of 7, and my husband and I are committed to providing our children with a solid biblical worldview, showing and teaching them the gospel each day intentionally in a deut. 6 manner. My husband and I are also both veterinarians. I have many years of education in a system that promotes feminism and demotes any sort of male dependence as well as downplays the role of motherhood or family. By the grace of God, my eyes were opened to the truth of the scriptures when we began our family. I stayed home with our children and I can tell you that managing a household, a husband, homeschooling, etc.. Is far more challenging and rewarding than was my professional career. Also, by the grace of God, we did not make poor financial choices prior to children that would have hindered my coming home. Frank, thank you for your comments. I appreciate how you have lovingly handled this "conflict" with SteveR who seems very misguided. Perhaps he should remember that we are also supposed to love our enemies since he seems "bent" to have a reason to spew nasty words towards you. I can't think of any biblical example for his reasoning. I do, however, know tha
Jim Lincoln wrote: However it's God that picks leaders and not men. Oh.... The Christian Right Movement is a disaster for the mission of Christians! ' "The Reconstructionist movement and its allies and offshoots, by substituting political and cultural action for the proclamation of the Gospel, by substituting eschatology for soteriology, and by mangling the Gospel itself, have become tools of Romanist political action" (3/02, The Trinity Review).' excerpt from, Notes on Reconstructionism. Conservative Christians are overlooking The Inadequacy of Moralism
The Christian reconstruction movement is limited to the Presbyterians. How many Presbyterians, let alone reconstructionists do you find posting on these forums? Why address a bunch of people that are not even here, let alone creating any waves?
John UK wrote: Paul did not write: 1Tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to make a valiant attempt to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
1Tim 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope; 2 Unto Timothy .....
Not your pope wrote: That's just it. Who's preaching at any given military "worship service"? A Roman Catholic priest? An openly-gay PCUSA pastor? An ordained lesbian ECUSA bishop? A Sunni Imam? An ordained Wicca representative?
Walt wrote: ..In regard to infants, we are not told much beyond that God ordinarily saves through the preaching and reading of the word. The gospel message of Christ is generally the outward means of our salvation, and Christ being the foundation and grounds of our Salvation. However, for those who do not ordinarily hear the gospel, as infants or those who have a disability, we can only have hope that the Father will justify them through His election. As a believer, I can give glory that I know most human fathers would do anything and everything to save their children, and this is the hope and faith I have in my Heavenly Father. I cannot for certain guarantee every mother and father that their son or daughter, whether infant or not, has gone into eternal life everlasting, because I have not been gifted omniscience or omnipresence, but I can certainly believe. I cannot charge God with sin for His decision, whatever it may be, but I can have hope that as my loving Father He does save every one He chooses, ordinarily or extraordinarily.
Sorry to intrude, but thought that you might like to read what Spurgeon preached on this issue. You will find it at: