John UK wrote: David, you are digging yourself an even bigger hole. You have no interest in TS's testimony, but behaving like an enemy of the saints. I knew you'd get there eventually, but have been gracious towards you. It's a pity you can't recognise grace, either in men or in God. Can I recommend you bow out?
Yes, who knows where the discussion might go, even unto something other than looking for and finding each other's defects.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Mike of N.Y., when have I ever called the liberal churches Christian? I think I always had a bad for the United Methodist Church --as an organization-- and one I have been happy to come from, see my latest entry in the Capital Punishment thread that I have just entered a comment on before this one. So, why should I tell a liberal church to get out of a behavior, when their behavior as behaving like an actual Christian Church is completely lacking, and I don't consider them even Christian? ---
When you bring up the so-called "Christian Right Movement" you aren't talking about whether churches are Christian or not, you are talking about whether Christians ought to be involved in politics. I merely pointed out you don't tell the "Christian Left Movement" the same thing. I would suggest it's not because you don't think them Christian, for you think that of the "right." I would suggest rather, that you approve of the agenda: government involvement in everyone's personal business, health, security, etc. You've promoted it enough that you really can't deny it. btw, your response reminds me of Bill Clinton for some reason.
Jim Lincoln wrote: No, Mike of N.Y --- The Christian Right Movement is a disaster for the mission of Christians! ' "The Reconstructionist movement and its allies and offshoots, by substituting political and cultural action for the proclamation of the Gospel, by substituting eschatology for soteriology, and by mangling the Gospel itself, have become tools of Romanist political action" (3/02, The Trinity Review).' excerpt from, Notes on Reconstructionism Conservative Christians are overlooking The Inadequacy of Moralism and of political action. Dominion Theology/Kingdom Now/Reconstructionismis an anti-Biblical curse.
Ah Jim, if you were honestly independent, you would see it's theChristian Left Movement that goes for government involvement in "social justice," healthcare, welfare, etc. How is it you never call for them to get out of politics?
Great Sermon! General info: Although both played major league baseball and are close in age, and even had similar career stats, Billy Bean the baseball player and Billy Beane the general manager are two different people.... Easily confused!
Good Time Charlie wrote: I trust that your not implying or saying that you don't want Taylor Swift to be saved or any of her admirers who might think the lyrics you quoted are actually pretty wonderful.
Not at all. If she confesses with her mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in her heart that God has raised him from the dead, she shall indeed be saved. Goes for her admirers, too. But your post to us "Christian types" was about non-Christian musical insights to life's perplexing problems. I didn't realize you non-Christian types were concerned about salvation.
Good Time Charlie wrote: --- Maybe you Christian types could better familiarize your self with the type of music my friends like, it certainly isn't what you would call Christian. A lot of my friends consider the lyrics of non Christian music for insights and answers to life's perplexing problems.
You mean insights like Taylor Swift - Shake It Off Lyrics
Artist: Taylor Swift
[Verse 1] I stay out too late, got nothing in my brain Thatâ€™s what people say, thatâ€™s what people say I go on too many dates (laughs), but I canâ€™t make them stay At least thatâ€™s what people say, thatâ€™s what people say
Jim Lincoln wrote: Neither, Mike of NY. I oppose it as stupid, which is really the word, I should have used K.I.S.S., but I was keeping it polite. It's like sending form letters to Congress, not even the staff will read them. So, it isn't green -- got to protect those trees But it might be a conspiracy by the U.S. Postal Service to get more mail flowing. Anyway, I hope this queer mayor (Yes, and no doubt this queer knows that The Bible Says Homosexuality is Sin ) at least has a good recycling program. Huckabee The Christian Right Movement is a disaster for the mission of Christians! ' "The Reconstructionist movement and its allies and offshoots, by substituting political and cultural action for the proclamation of the Gospel, by substituting eschatology for soteriology, and by mangling the Gospel itself, have become tools of Romanist political action" excerpt from, Huckabee Never for President!
I'm glad you're polite, Jim. That and 65 cents will get you a roll of bathroom tissue, which you should keep nearby as reminder that the Christian Left Movement as presented in this link is not far removed from the need for it.
Jim Lincoln wrote: what are they trying to do? Bore her to death--that isn't Christian. the main thing that she needs: The Roman Road Romans 3:10 As it is written, "There is none righteous, not even one." Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved. Romans 10:13 For "Whoever will call upon the name of the Lord will be saved." --- Keep It Simple Sillies
I guess we have to interpret what you are saying in one of two ways:
1. You are assuming not one of the sermons sent to a corrupt govt. leader will have the gospel presented.
2. You oppose anything that smacks of opposing corrupt govt. leaders anyway, because that isn't presenting the gospel.
Frank wrote: --- I was not pondering whether Christians should take oaths at all. My goal was to show that if someone takes the oath I noted, then they were actually taking an oath unto the Lord to disobey the Lord. But we are probably in agreement on Christian oaths; that was just not the issue I was addressing.
Sorry for butting in, but you got me confused, Frank. If Christians are called by the Lord to obey the laws of the land, how is it the president taking an oath to do so is taking an oath to disobey the Lord?
SteveR wrote: No complaints, except for the tone and political preperation. Christians are not ashamed of the Gospel. From the article "The Houston mayor's inexcusable demand to see the sermons of pastors is an outrageous and shocking affront to all Americans and to liberty itself. " Outrageous? Shocking? ITS YOUR DUTY!! If you are really Christian, a BLESSED duty. If you are a liar and you use the Church as a cloak for wickedness, it will be your curse ---
They did their duty just fine. Their duty is not to obey illegal commands of the wicked. The mayor was breaking the law of the land. They were keeping it. My how easy it seems to be to confuse these things. The other pastors sending her sermons was an over the top response to an over the top mayor. Foolishness, you might say.
1 Corinthians 1:27 "But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;"
1 Corinthians 3:19 "For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness."
Jim Lincoln wrote: You mean they are loosing poor insurance coverage, and will only realize that fact, Mike, when they try to use it? It's about time these bad companies were made to clean up their act, --- Five reasons Americans already love ObamaCare â€” plus one reason why theyâ€™re gonna love it even more, soon
Lies. Obamacare pushers don't care anything about facts. Their too much in love with the prez to care. Tell your "fact" to a close relative of mine, who will lose his insurance coverage at the end of the year. He and his family were quite happy with their coverage, and didn't need nanny government to tell them it was "poor" which it wasn't. Now it's going to cost him much more for the least Obamacoverage. He's what you might label lower middle class by the way, and can't afford it. You're never going to come down to earth, are you, Jim? A shame. Grownups shouldn't have to learn things the hard way.
From the news: "Two years ago, he said he personally supports same-sex marriage, but that each state should decide for itself. As of today, his views have changed again â€“ stating, in an interview with the New Yorker, that the U.S. Constitution guarantees the right to same-sex marriages in all 50 states."
What a guy. Hey Jim/Lincoln, will you remain silent on this as well? Surely there's a Bush thing in it somewhere.
Great Sermon! Brother Jeff,
...be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. Rev 2:10
Powerfully and lovingly presented. Thank you for this very needed message.
Your friend til the end,