God instituted government for a purpose, which is given in Romans 13:3,4, seldom quoted by those who like to quote verses 1 and 2.
Romans 13:3,4 "For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil."
It should be evident that if this is government's God-ordained function, then doing the opposite of this is not God-ordained. If rulers ARE a terror to good works, and NOT to the evil, they are NOT acting as God's ministers.
1517 wrote: The stupidity and down right zombie chants and signs are fascinating. "No justice, no peace", " the whole system is guilty, shut it down" are a couple. The media, race hustlers and hucksters, and frenzied ideological social media hype caused Ferguson, NOT officer Wilson. This country is lost.
There have been many racially motivated riots before. Like before, the burning and looting says more about the rioters than the country. But it does appear the chief community organizer is still promoting the chaos and division needed for the transformation to continue.
bang wrote: Who brought the gun into the situation in the first place? If the police did not carry guns then brown would be still alive. The mind set of shoot first ask questions later is built into the American psyche. Surrounded by gun stores full to the brim with guns, assault rifles and other deadly weapons in every shopping centre illustrates American shoot to kill policy justice!!!
Still at it, I see. You should worry more about your muslim takeover than our imaginary shopping center gun shops. They're good with knives, so you better remove them from your shops.
Frank wrote: I can't remember for sure but I think it was Harry Reid?? Of course they wanted Christ to set up His earthly kingdom prior to going to the cross and He refused, so it could have been Him. You have to give me more of a hint or information than that. You know how us ignorant southern boys think.
Wasn't a trick question, I didn't remember. I looked it up, and it was William Tecumseh Sherman. Apparently he said "I will not accept if nominated and will not serve if elected." Someone wanted him for the Republican candidate for president in 1884. Trivia question for the day, I guess.
So God institutes political power, i.e. government for man's benefit, and men who claim God as their God say it's not Christian to be involved in it. I guess they believe God wants only athiests and secularists in government. For man's benefit, of course.
From the news: "While Americans are focused on what delicious foods theyâ€™re going to eat for Thanksgiving, the White House is focused on releasing its massive regulatory agenda â€” marking the fifth time the Obama administration has released its regulatory road map on the eve of a major holiday. The federal Unified Agenda is the Obama administrationâ€™s regulatory road map, and it lays out thousands of regulations being finalized in the coming months. Under President Barack Obama, there has been a tradition of releasing the agenda late on Friday â€” and right before a major holiday. ...
Govt psych games. And practical, too, in that it won't receive much publicity.
I can't find scriptural backing for Christians to not be involved in any career direction. We're to avoid sin, but finding admonition to not be involved in politics just isn't there. Jesus didn't even tell the centurion (Luke 7) to hang up his sword and leave the military,(the arm of politics) but commended him for his faith.
Jim Lincoln wrote: I don't think President Obama has done anything llegal like Richard Nixon did, and just like Gerald Ford Vice President Biden could just pardon him anyway. We are to show respect our secular leaders, as this commentary ---
You're right, Obama's illegal doings are quite different from Nixon's.
And certainly we should show respect, especially if they are Democrats, right?
John UK wrote: Great points, Helps UK, and thanks for your sharing testimony. I do hope the poster with a first name beginning with M and the second also, does not vainly imagine you were referring to the arminist version of prevenient grace, seeing as you made it clear that a preparatory work of the Spirit is normal for those whom the Lord calls, and that this is not an "indwelling" but an enlightenment, a communication, an enlivening, whereby the Lord draws his redeemed soul to himself, ending thus with a genuine repentance toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, upon which faith the sinner is justified. ---
You got me curious, John. What is the Arminian version of prevenient grace, since all grace is prevenient?
Jim Lincoln wrote: Jamie considering we were never a Christian nation, one can't use that for pushing for a better country. if you wanted a better country go spread the gospel and that gospel isn't according to the Republican Party. Go read the URL links in the second paragraph of my post before yours.
You seem to be the only one needing the strawman of the "gospel of the Republican Party." The only one making such association. It's understandable we're not a Christian nation, but that hardly justifies any Christian supporting government corruption disguised as compassion. And fyi, posting how moralism is not adequate hardly justifies the blatant support of the growing immorality promoted by your Caesar.
Geoff wrote: This seems to be one of the defining issues of our day. Many positions compromise the Scripture in this regard and it seems their concern is looking foolish in the eyes of the world. I suppose Noah looked foolish when he went to building the ark and preaching righteousness. Let's be busy about preaching righteousness and building the Kingdom of God, regardless if they say we are foolish.
I can imagine the guffaws as the crowd watched Noah and Co. building a gigantic boat with no way to get it to the sea once built. They were likely among the first to pound on the outside walls as the water rose. "Let us in, it's not fair you won't share that big boat with us" In today's world, the president outside in his armored rowboat, might shout to Noah, "You didn't build that."
John UK wrote: As far as I know, the evangelistic association would not hold a crusade in an area unless every church there was fully supportive of it. This is a dreadful thing to impose, and comes from an ecumenical root. For that reason alone, I am totally opposed to it. However, there is no doubt Billy Graham has reached a huge number of people with the gospel, even though his altar call method has probably resulted in a vast multitude of pseudo conversions. But in amongst them, will be converts who were genuinely called of God, truly born again, and currently attending good churches. Even if he only got 10% who were genuine, that means that God used his preaching to bring thousands or tens of thousands into his kingdom by grace. And I will thank God for that. What fruit have I brought forth? Thirtyfold? Sixtyfold? An hundredfold? Nay, not even thirtyfold.
Thank you, bro John, for the most sensible comment on this subject I've heard so far.
Lurker wrote: PTL, Ladybug! There is a common thread in most all testimonies I've heard and seen since my own redemption and that is the preparatory work of God to turn hearts to Him before He answers with the filling to overflowing of His Spirit. This stands in stark contrast to that awful WCH article which states God indwells His elect with the HS to make them willing to turn to Him. Hogwash! Mike NY knows this WCF article well and perhaps if he is looking in will post it for us. ---
Oh but Bro Lurker, my aging mind doesn't remember as well as you think it does!
Anyway, might this be the one?
WCF 7 para 3. "Man, by his fall, having made himself incapable of life by that covenant, the Lord was pleased to make a second, commonly called the covenant of grace; wherein he freely offereth unto sinners life and salvation by Jesus Christ; requiring of them faith in him, that they may be saved, and promising to give unto all those that are ordained unto eternal life his Holy Spirit, to make them willing, and able to believe.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Mike of NY: "The episode is also sure to raise doubts among swing voters about whether Republicans would be prepared to govern if they do win control of the entire Congress," the Journal's editorial board wrote. "Let's hope they spend August planning how to return in the fall like a party that looks ready to do something other than fight with each other." excerpt from http://www.businessinsider.com/wsj-editorial-republicans-immigration-deportation-daca-bill-vote-2014-8 That was an interesting report on what the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal said this summer. If you have seen my other posts in other threads before this one, you would have noted that I don't agree with everything that the administration has done. But then it should also be noted that I have no use for inmovable troglodytes aka Dixiecans.