Britton Ens wrote: If anything, gun control will do the opposite. Criminals will get their hands on firearms either way, but if the average civilian isn't allowed to carry or even own, then everyone is an easy target. I can't even comprehend how politicians think. Do they think groups lile ISIS just casually walk into a gun shop and buy them, waiting out the time they need to? No. What they don't get from the US, they most likely get from "underground" sellers. Disarming the people will only lead to chaos.
True. But as to not comprehending how politicians think, they don't do so to find solutions, but only to move the culture to whatever point their darkened minds wish it to go.
John UK wrote: Matthew 24:20-21 KJV (20) But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: (21) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Happened a long time ago. ---
That's good to know, bro. It means that no matter how bad things get, tribulation wise, "nor ever shall be" means it can never get as bad as already happened a long time ago. Of course that isn't so, but...
pennelope wrote: --- maybe not, usually there are a few. in China the church was asleep on the doctrine of the secret rapture and prosperity gospel (supposedly Christians do not suffer tribulation even though Christ said you will have tribulation?) the methods of the psyche to cover up reality into compartments and to not see the reality upon them, its a powerful mechanism of denial that holds off truth until its too late to do anything about it. scripture speaks of redeeming the time.
tribulation vs great tribulation worth looking into, as part of redeeming the time.
Earth-worshipping hypocrites would be more useful if they spent money on planting oxygen producing crops instead of flying fuel-hogging, polluting jet planes to Paris for a conference on so-called climate change.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Strange, Mike, there are several after this 13 year old link, which by the way was the luck of the draw when I googled it and wanted to put up the Colorado story, and I found this ex-Presby pastor murderer of interest, so I'm glad that's what came up, but there have been killings after that of abortionist, like this one, --- and if I remember correctly SA did have a story on this one. This was in 2009 Anyway, as some people think about it, Anti-abortion extremism is recognized as a form of Christian terrorism q.v., Christian terrorism. Mike, I'm glad you brought the the topic up, I found more sources on such activities than I thought I would! But in a way, even Christian" Activism? is not really what Christians are to be about when they say they are doing the work of Christ -- They aren't Of course violence isn't Christian.
You get quite silly when on your hobby horses, Jim. Too agenda-driven for your own good. I have noticed you have no interest in the death of the policeman at the PP clinic, who happened to be a pro-life brother trying to protect the lives of even those he disagreed with. Doesn't fit what your looking for, does it?
Jim Lincoln wrote: Because Frank, it often is by so-called Christians that have done these killings , q.v. the SA thread, [Man Who Killed Abortion Doctor Executed]. I would be happier to see it was done by a wacko Muslim than by a wacko "Christian.' At the time of the article that I had a link to, the reasons for this man's actions were not pinpointed even to the Planned Parenthood outfit I checked while writing this message, and the motives of the shooter were still unknown.
Christians don't do these things, Jim. If you knew what a Christian was, would you be trying to make a link? Oh I forgot, that's what you do, as your 12 year old link attests.
Christopher000 wrote: Yeah, not speaking up has really been bothering me. A problem that I have is that when anyone gets defensive, I start talking fast and match it with defensiveness which, I know, never gets anywhere. I'm better than I used to be because I'm very aware of it but it still happens when someone starts trying to argue or shut me down. Not good.
I don't know your wife enough to say, but have a suspicion. You said when she heard it, she looked over at you. This seems to say she has been listening to you, and it has registered. This is a good thing, maybe even hopeful. If I'm reading it right, and I don't know for sure, think less about what the other ladies did, and more about your wife's reaction. I hope you can take heart from it.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Penny, he may make a stab at ISIS. He has Marie LePenn (sp?) and her conservative party breathing down his neck. So, he might put out some effort. GSMontana, "There was never a good war, or a bad peace." Benjamin Franklin. If you're a soldier and prefer to be a civilian, I can guarantee you'll agree with that. But I wonder just how much the Kurds and our drone strikes will accomplish? I've seen an article and have posted them on SA, which stated that it would be a fairly easy (?) matter to get rid of ISIS. We're just not sure what/who would replace them. Something as bad or worse?
Plus, your Caesar says it wouldn't be good for the environment.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Let's go children of the fatherland, The day of glory has arrived! Against us tyranny's Bloody flag is raised! (repeat) In the countryside, do you hear The roaring of these fierce soldiers? They come right to our arms To slit the throats of our sons, our friends! --- translation of part of, La Marseillaise Get 'em France
Rah Rah. Did you read the plan, Jim?
"Hollande called for quick action by the parliament on new legislation that would give the government more flexibility to conduct police raids without a warrant and place people under house arrest. He said he would seek court approval for broader surveillance powers. And he called for constitutional amendments that would give more weight to security measures relative to civil liberties."
Same old garbage. Someone does something bad, pass laws that make everyone a suspect. Take away their freedom so they can be "safe." Liberals try to do that here. ISIS takes away people's freedom. Governments respond by taking people's freedom away to protect them from ISIS. Makes perfect sense, if one is an idiot.
GSMontana wrote: --- I am debating on whether or not I should overlook the worship style and attend anyways.
I'll minimize waxing philosophical, but will say at my fellowship, in the form of music we have old hymns, as well as newer styles of which most I could do without. In my 15 or so years there, the teaching has been very sound, and hasn't been diminished. I started there when my old church, which rarely played modern songs, split because of unbiblical elder decisions. They were on their own slippery slope, but not one which included CCM. I would say let the Lord lead, and not assumptions. Some biblical advice:
1 Thessalonians 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
Lurker wrote: Sometimes the only way to answer silly is with silly. Glad to hear of your blessed day with family. I did read your other post and thank you for your well wishes. My wife and I had a brief gathering with part of our family today but all was not happiness. Our youngest daughter, 31, married about 18 months ago, just miscarried her first pregnancy about 11 weeks in and is having a difficult time of it. Prayers for my daughter from anyone who has a heart to would be appreciated. Her name is Beth.
Sad news, bro Lurker. Pleased to honor your request.
The biggest difficulty among the either/or folks seems to be they don't think believing is doing something. When the jailer asked the question "What must I do to be saved," the answer was "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." Acts 16:30,31. Here's where the issue arises. Note what Paul and Silas did NOT say to him: "You cannot ask what YOU must DO, YOU can do nothing in regards to your salvation, you're asking the wrong question." No, they answered by telling him what he must do. Believe.
Yet this is what the either/or people say over and over: "It's all done for you, you can do nothing." So when someone says they decided for Christ, that language understandably raises hackles and questions about the salvation of those who say a decision is made. But in reality it is a matter of "Once I was lost, now I am found. I believed and was saved by God's grace, through faith." Further pigeon-holing isn't called for, biblically or otherwise.