penny wrote: correct biblical teaching is not cruel and mean, but it is the truth. It can be done in a spirit of love and concern, but the truth is still the truth.
Thnak you, Penny.
1 Tim 1:5-6 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith, from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to IDLE TALK, desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm.
1 Tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.
1 Tim 2:1-4 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
IMHO as a consideration, perhaps we ought to humbly gather together, or go into our prayer closets, to talk to God about all this, and mournfully pour out our hearts for the lost, and even the religious elites who seems so ignorant of Holy God.
Christopher000 wrote: I was talking.to my wife about Good Friday because like as for Lent, she said she couldn't eat meat which is the Roman Catholic "sacrifice" everyone makes, I guess, to thank Christ or to match sacrifice with Christs sacrifice...oh boy. Meaningless rituals which gives the delusion of holiness and closeness with God, all the while living no.different than the rest of the world. Go to confession, go to mass, go to Heaven. Anyway, I digress...she said that Christ died at 3PM on Good Friday. Is this accurate?
Christopher000 Happy Resurrection Day! Here is an article that might be helpful. I have to think several have painstakeningly examined the timeline and reported their conclusions as well.
What Day of the Week Was Christ Crucified? http://www.loriswebs.com/lorispoetry/crucifix.html
btw this is not a blanket endorsement of everthing on this site, just this article is well researched and gives information we can verify for ourselves.
John Yurich USA wrote: Well I was not brought up with anti-semitism and I come from a Catholic family. And it is false that anti-semitism is part of the culture of the Catholic Church. I was never taught in religious education class after school in elementary school to be against the Jews which is what anti-semitism means.
JY What! Don't you know the history of the church you are so bound up in? Try checking out something called the Spanish Inquisition.
Here is a brief timeline (Yes! I do recommend checking it out and throwing out anything false) http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/mine/timeline.htm But it ought to serve as a reasonable starting point
So like it or not you are in a (quote) church with a tradition of antisemitism
B. R. wrote: Michael Hranek from Chickamauga, GA for the moment writes: "BTW I don't know about you but I am quite serious. I need to pray and seek God for His will in my life, in the ve I never said anything about not praying for the ry difficult and perilous times we are living in..." There is a difference
there is no more hope for that person.
And what about Saul of Tarsus? Was he an impossible case? Why or Why not? Would you have prayed for him? What about yourself before conversion, would others have written you off?
In my own life I have to think some did, and I have to thank God for others who didn't.
Has God personally spoken to you that He has given Michael Bloomberg over to a, in my words here, hopeless reprobate mind that has gone beyond the grace of God and the willingness of God, to do the impossible in his life and save Him?
1 Timothy 2 1 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
B. R. wrote: There is no need to pray for this man,...he made his bed.
B R No need? Respectfully I must disagree with you. If anything this man's words and conduct ought to cry out how desperately he needs heard and answered prayer for his sorry soul...
and if you are willing, how much we ourselves need to be in prayer, pleading with Holy God over our own sorry condition, our pride, arrogance, lake of compassion, the littleness of our faith, seeking His mercy on us, our friends and family, even on our enemies
Or we are quite liable to make our own beds and reap miserably of what we sow or fail to sow ourselves.
BTW I don't know about you but I am quite serious. I need to pray and seek God for His will in my life, in the very difficult and perilous times we are living in when people (me too!) so need to walk humbly with our God and NOT just talk about religion, and how bad those other people are.
MAKE MY LIFE A PRAYER TO YOU - Keith Green http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd9MaBu3gAg
In considering how, 'The Devil is here, even in the 21st Century', and the comments on this thread and others.
I am concerned there is a real 'devil', a spirit in and behind what I am calling "Reformed Priestcraft"
If those in church leadership actually lifted up the immeasurable importance of the word of God in the life of believers, and sought to teach them to personally read the Bible for all its worth, IMHO we would see an enmormous decrease in the abuse of verses such as Matt 19:14 to propagandize infant sprinklings, and other garbage as well________and a great increase in people's lives of the reality of John 8:31,32...If you abide in My word
"Reformed Priestcraft" IMHO seeks to divert people from what Scripture actually says, to what they want to make Scripture say to conform to their system of theology, and bring people into and under their bondage. This is something the RCC, the cults and false religions do. Keep people from reading the word of God for themselves, get them 'dependant' (enslaved/addicted) to their own teachings.
Just mulling here, as in my hometown area there is a pastor who makes 'the truth shall set you free' into an empty cliche by omitting ...If you abide in My word then... failing to exhort people to read their Bibles
Care to reconsider wrote: I don't know how the discussion got on whether the translators hated the Jews, I certainly never mentioned it.
Care It was me. I am the guilty culprit. Coming from a RC family and I was brought up in anti-semitism as it was literally part of RC tradition and world view (if that is the correct word) and of course our own fallen sinful nature in enmity against God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
BTW when God saved me, He gave me a love for Jewish people and blacks (that was us, my family that were prejudice/racists not the RCC) when He changed my heart.
So I am aware of the influence RC anti-semitism and its 'replacement theology' had on not just us but even "Protestant Reformers" like Martin Luther, and sadly many today as well, also Medieval History shows a culture of anti-semitism in Europe.
So I was just considering if that environment might have influenced or pressured the KJV translators to use the word Easter, to distance the translation they were preparing from the Jewish origins/foundation (Gen, Exodus, Lev, Num, Deut) of our faith.
BTW IMHO Antisemitism/"Replacement Theology", both RC and "Reformed" are Satanic in their origin.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: Hey Michael H, one of the rules for the KJV translators
was they were supposed to follow the Bishops Bible and not the Geneva one (which had some remarks against the divine right of Kings) and the Bishop's Bible use the Word Easter.
US Great Southern State of Georgia Hmmm, I was just thinking a bit on things related to translators and translations.
To be clear I hold the KJV to be a very good benchmark for English translations, at this time I personally use the NKJV along with refering to NASB the ESV and some other translations as well, with the attitude if a translation goes afield from the KJV it is safer to set it aside than use it. And remember while I am studying/reading context is an enormous key in hearing what God says to us in all of Scripture, and I think I am in good company with many here on SermonAudio in this and with some others not so much.
BTW my wife and I ate breakfast yesterday at the local Huddle House. I know it isn't the Waffle House but it was still a nice place to have breakfast.
Penny Good Comment It might be safe to say it is impossible to Celebrate the Resurrection too much, in the context of all Jesus Christ accomplished for us.
READ your Bible Ye must be born again! Jesus said so.
And it should be without question that does NOT happen in sprinkling babies, no matter how sincere their parents and religious ministers might be.
And btw that does NOT happen when one accepts as their very own a system of theology, no matter how scholarly and sincere its professors appear to be.
NOW as to us simple minded Baptist-type believers. Do you hate us that we actually dare to tell our children the Truth of Jesus Christ.
That they are not born saved because they are in the right kind of Christian home. That they are not saved because their parents had a religious ritual performed on them That they are not saved because they can say the right words (even 'Lord, Lord'), or creeds or confessions.
That if they are saved, truly saved, it will be because the Son of God willing died shedding His blood for them, that God loved them so sacrifically knowing all their sins and crimes against Him that He nevertheless had Christ pay in full the death penalty they deserved
and will save those who repent of their sin, rebellion against God and entrust themselves to His mercy calling upon His name to save them
Christopher000 wrote: I have to say that this has come up in the past, Lady Virtues screen name, that is and I never really understood the issue with it. I've never so much as given a thought as to its meaning and definitely never had any unclean thoughts because of it. Now, I.could see if people were allowed to post pics of themselves laying suggestively across a sofa or something, but the name itself never really made me think of anything whatsoever. LV seems to be a kind woman who loves the Lord, is respectful, never comes at anyone, and always has something informative, uplifting, or offers biblical insight to the topics at hand. I don't know, maybe I'm not seeing something about the name itself that others seem to take issue with at times.
Christopher000 It seems the "REAL Problem" here is not with Lady Virtue but with the earthly "Get REAL", Really.
IMHO she has choosen an honorable moniker, one worth the living up to and one that IMHO reminds all of us that we ought to live out our faith in Jesus Christ honestly humbly in holiness and purity before Him and as an example to other as well.
May His blessing be on Lady Virtue and every other sister who has her heart set on honoring Christ in their lives.
Zach 3 wrote: We had this discussion last year. Do we hold it every year? Acts 12:4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people. (KJV) Strongs Defn for the Greek at this point. G3957 pascha Of Chaldee origin (compare [H6453]); the Passover (the meal, the day, the festival or the special sacrifices connected with it): - Easter, Passover.
Interesting observation that the KJV translators chose Easter instead of Passover.
BTW interesting also that KJV Onlyists would berate the NKJV which uses the word Passover. It makes me consider was there an Anti-Jewish sentiment among the KJV Translators?
Related to this is how IMHO too many churches use the Roman Catholic church year with terms like Advent and Lent, when Biblically the Jewish year would relate more to the Lord Jesus Christ.
In the past someone has commented on the origin of "April Fools Day" coming in medival times as a means of mocking Jewish people whose first month of the year (the month Passover occurs in) fell on or close to April 1.
John Yurich USA wrote: If you are not a Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox then you are a Protestant.
IMHO our "friend" JY brings up an interesting thought:
"Baptist" is a telling word, and here I mean "Baptist-Type Believers". Someone has said, 'All early Christians were "baptist". Basically Baptists are a uncomfortable reality that cries out we are all NOT THE SAME
Misslabeling "Baptists" as Protestants avoids many things Catholics don't want to face up to
Early Christians, again as someone said were all "Baptists" believed such things as:
The Bible is the word of God, above the authority of any "magisterium" or "tradition", AND EVERYDAY PEOPLE had the right to read it and believe it for themselves.
One must be genuinely born again to be saved (Jesus said so). Baptism was for believers only by immersion upon (after) profession of one's faith in Christ.
Holiness, separation from the world and false teachings, to be faithful to Christ. BTW including refusing to deny Christ even if it meant martyrdom.
Prayer, coming to the Father in the Name of His Son. The priesthoood of the Believer not priestcraft.
Witnessing the Gospel of Christ to everyone was a sacred debt, priviledge and responsibility for every child of God.
penny wrote: MH, yes much learning to do. watch out for a praying Grandmother! you'll never see it coming! but by the grace of God go I.
Penny I wish I had the space to tell of an Independant Fundemental King James Baptist Preacher who had an old timey Church of God (Pentecostal) woman, long dress, sleeves, hair all up in a beehive who came to his church. She had no transportantion and aked if it was okay for a Church of God woman to come to his church and could he and his wife give her a ride.
And how she loved him and his wife, had them over for Sunday dinner with all sorts of good Southern food, and in my words lived a life of prayer, continually in the love of God, praying for him, his wife and for the power of God in his ministry. A little old woman people would think of as weird but in my words again was closer to him than 'family'.
And this preacher testified all this in a big independent Baptist Church as an encouragement for how we ought to be as children of God to one another. People of such holiness and prayer that one might be afraid to open their eyes lest they see Jesus Himself standing right there while they are crying out to Him, calling upon His name.
Somebody is Praying http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHtWhnZU2Xo
penny wrote: Neil, no thank you for telling me what a righteous person I am. quite unexpected. however I do not consider myself righteous but Christ righteous, and I hope I love Him and others as I've been called to live. "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." Matthew 7:21
Penny I actually appreciate your post, commenting on how you actually look at and think on life, and don't just leave it there but actually step out and get involved.
Since this thread has to do with a Hollywood actress who dared violate the "sacred political correctness" of the feminazi I have to think we ought to pray that our Father would bring laborers into her life that would tell her the truth of Christ, love her, pray for her, who refuse to let her go into hell forever, unloved, unprayed for and untold of Christ.
I don't know about you but personally I have so much learning and growing to do, and yesterday in one of the churches I visited, the pastor gave a gimpse of his testimony and how he had a praying Grandmother, A PRAYING GRANDMOTHER! and how she and other Grandmothers that she recruited continually cried out for his salvation
Plistous wrote: "Satan's Emissary" is driving out evil child molesters from his organization. With a house divided he cannot stand.
Plistous Somehow I think "we" Protestants/Baptists/Evangelicals are being real, let's us the word "dumb" regarding Pope Francis 1.
For one Satan's kingdom is NOT being divided but I am going to use the word "refined", remeber he does disquise himself as an angel of light, and his ministers as servants of righteousness.
AND who in their right mind would dare speak against exposing the heinous evil of pedophilia? If we are not careful there is the "trap" of uncaring arrogance of having no compassion for the hurt Roman Catholic families have felt in the molesting of their children.
While we may never have bowed in idolatrous prayer to the Queen of Heaven, nor exploited children in gross evil done them just how righteous are we in ourselves? Are we better than they are? Do we cry out in prayer, BECAUSE the spiritual warfare over the souls of men is way beyond us (or excuse ourselves from doing anything because its all predestinated) and care less at the harm done to real children, and their families by this counterfeit of Christianity?
Let's do some real praying and seeking the Lord, we need it.