Bishop wrote: Brian said the most difficult task the church has is staying relevant in the midst of same-sex communities! I have noticed that many of the Mega Church pastor's choose to not make mention of they're stance or not even take a stance at all! I was appalled with Pastor TD Jakes answer to Oprah a few years ago in a televised interview. She asked him what was his view on Same Sex Marriage and he answered that as a clergy he must state what the scripture clearly states about it BUT he has his own personal views. That hooked Oprah and won him Hollywood but how could he have a different opinion from the Word. The scripture says " Let this mind be in you that was also in Christ Jesus"
Bishop I would urge you to look up the controversy between Voddie Baucham and TD Jakes over the Trinity (if you don't know TD Jakes has been accused of being a non-Trinitarian Modalist, although he to the best of my knowledge hides it to this day)
It will help you better comprehend how the friends of/with Word of Faith (think heretical prosperity preacher TBN circles) TD Jakes could 'accomodate' the world of Oprah as he did
Mike wrote: The City Attorney is wrong, and ignorant to boot. Speaking against evil is what pastors are supposed to do. It's what they did in the years leading to the Am. Revolution. Redefining it as political speech is convenient to his ignorance, but there is nothing constitutionally that says opposing evil is political, nor that even if it were, that political speech is exempt from 1st Amendment protection. Left wing-nuts like those in Houston political leadership are good at redefinition. We shouldn't accommodate this, for it gives credibility to their argument. It has none whatsoever. 501c3 is not 1st Amend. exemption.
Mike NY Excellent post! Basically we can say, Satan and his devils are lying bullies, yes still fiendishly intellegent BUT UTTERLY STUPID COMPARED TO THE WISDOM OF GOD, WHO IS SOVEREIGN IN AND OVER ALL THINGS, who are terrified of the Lord Jesus Christ who defeated them at Calvary...and those who serve the devil do make life interesting while we joyfully wait for the return of the Risen Son of the LIVING God our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
What then if some false prophet, homosexual mayors, and religous trolls don't believe? Their unbelief will not nullify the faithfulness of God will it!
Troll Spotter wrote: No one is forcing you to stay here troll! Go find like minded hate mongers among those you consider the elect and have a ball. You won't be missed here.
Troll Spotter Let's not forget Satan and those under his influence love to go to church (especially if they can get the church to bow down to them, such as with the Mayor of Houston TX on another thread) so we really arent' wrestling against flesh and blood in this matter
And speaking of THE BLOOD, devils hate the precious shed blood of the Lord Jesus Christ, that He willingly gave for our salvation
I suppose since the devil being the supernatural being he is, who knows Scripture, hates people knowing for themselves what God says in the Bible about His Son Jesus Christ, that his (Satan's) certain destruction and that of the Great Harlot who served him (the devil) is prophecied in the Bible and the ultimate triumph of Jesus Christ over all evil and all his enemies and to be worshipped forever
Martin wrote: Not to do so in some cases may well be evidence of sheer cowardice and disobedience to God.
Martin TX Well said
One of many good starting points in all this mess, in great humility, brokeness and out of a repentant heart that is seeking first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, is to drive the cowardly hirelings from the pulpits and "deaconates" (I made that up) and elderships of our churches who have made an artform of tolerance, compromise and love of the world that hates Jesus Christ, and to break fellowship with the religious businesses who have made merchandise of false teachings and false gospels in their their tv and radio networks, books, CDs, videos, stadium celebrations, movies and don't forget music
Rodney K. wrote: I pray that the people of our great state will do the right thing. The opponents of Amendment 1 are well funded and very busy spreading disinformation (lies). I suppose that Satan's tactics are the same today as they were in the garden. (Hath God said?) He was a liar from the beginning, he is the father of lies, and his minions are adept at using deception and misdirection. My pastor has a special speaker coming in the morning to talk to our congregation about this amendment. (This is in addition to not in place of our regular service.) I can't help but wonder, however, how many pastors/churches will sidestep the issue either out of ignorance or fear. Hmmm???
Rodney K Battleground Tennessee I will certainly be in prayer Here is a link to Babies Are Murdered Here my pastor appreciates because not only standing against the horrific evil of abortion but it is so tied to the preaching of the gospel that lost sinners might be saved
John Yurich USA wrote: Graham is correct that America is just as wicked as Sodom and Gomorrah.
Graham should know, after all he essentially did the same thing as Lot did, moving right into Sodom, best of friends WITH (Antichrist) John Paul II, denominations that ordain and marry homosexuals, and let's not forget corrupt and sinful presidents ... things way beyond fixing with a quick sinners prayer to supposedly go to heaven when you die.
Michael Hranek wrote: Brother John UK Wales Because this is such a terribly involved and controversial issue, I was only trying to answer you not be exhaustive, and imho I personally hold the conviction each indiviual case should be humbly weighed out as best can possibly be (Something I am not going to try to do here)
Brother Saint John UK Wales myself (Michael H) and all the much beloved and God Fearing Children of God who read this post
This thread got into much discussion a lot of it on the controversial subject of divorce and remarriage
BUT imho there is a subject, an elephant in the room so to speak one that we ought to humbly address
BABIES ARE BEING MURDERED TODAY, BY THEIR OWN MOTHERS AND THEIR ACCOMPLICES IN THE VERY PLACES WE LIVE
We talk about so many things here on SermonAudio but if we are humbly honest who dare we sit in our own ease and comfort when BABIES ARE MURDERED HERE
Let me plead with all of you to humbly honestly prayerfully watch this documentary. IMHO it addresses protest, or better said, the preaching of the gospel, where those holding their signs outside abortion clinics are no longer a bunch of renegades from the local church but a vital part
A NEEDED ADDITION Hello, this is Michael Hranek, since the time I uploaded this sermon, I wanted, out of a deepening conviction, to revisit it and include a link to [URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxDyfSHEq5g]]]BABIES ARE MURDERED HERE[/URL] something that goes deep into the heart of truly preaching the gospel in all the world were it is most needed to be preached and most needed to heard and acted upon BUT NOT just by those murdering their own babies but by everyone of us who has been comfortable in having church as ususal, while those around us are dying in their sins and going into the very hell every saved sinner deserved ourselves
SteveR wrote: A National Baptist Convention Church Pastor in Alabama just admitted to all kinds of crimes without being 'exposed.' Crimes that include illegal drug use, sex with congregants, and affairs without informing sexual partners he has AIDS
Wow! An unnamed Baptist pastor in Alabama Conviently forgetting your Roman Catholic "friends"?
btw if you do come up with a name and document sin factually know this, we baptist-type believers aren't any better than the worst of Roman Catholics and the only difference we genuinely born again Baptist people have precious Roman Catholic people don't, is Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
SteveR wrote: As I remember, BJU went kicking and screaming fighting in court trying to keep the tax status and discriminate against Blacks. Eventually they lost, apologized and applied for other 501c3s
Ha! That's nothing! I remember how some professing to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ go on "kicking and screaming" against those who expose the RCC as the Great Blasphemous Idolatrous Murderous Perverted and Let's NOT forget Very Religious Harlot of Babylon and refuse to part company with her, in part reminding me of the hostility against God that is not just in the government of Houston TX but especially in false and counterfeit Christians
Personally I thank God the BJU and how despite their ungodly prejudices in the grace of God relented and repented (if anyone is in Christ they have a lot of learning and growing to do in the faith), why for that matter MORE THAN ENOUGH HOPE by Jim Berg Dean of Students at Bob Jones University is wonderfully listed as a must hear sermon here on SermonAudio
MS wrote: Many get their theology from satanic wormwood movies
MS For what it is worth There is an enormous difference in being blood thirsty and wanting to indescriminately kill others and even abusing a time of war to do so
and going into mortal to the death combat for the sake of protecting others in a just and righteous matter, laying down your life to protect others
If those calling themselves Christians cannot see this imho they have a serious problem in their theology and faith
as an example we can all chew (humbly meditate on) God Himself gives us David (a man after God's own heart btw) and Goliath
Along with all this let me recommend, not a perfect book but one that is a very good read THE BRAVEHEARTED GOSPEL by Eric Ludy AND Please do read some of the reviews to have an appreciation of the Truth is worth fighting FOR
Why even in pagan Greek history we have the account of the bravery of Leonidas and the 300 Spartans who sacrificed their lives in battle at Thermopylae that Greece might ultimately live and not be destroyed by Xerxes and the invading Persians (no they weren't saved)
Let me attempt to be kind to you Since you profess to read the Bible I urge you to read it again THIS TIME paying attention that it is the RIGHTEOUS who enter heaven and the UNRIGHTEOUS (those practising sin) who are throw into hell forever
John Yurich, please be honest with yourself, if the 'faith' you have in Jesus Christ has not resulted in obedience to Him you are NOT Righteous and will die in your SIN
AND you will not be able in the day of judgment to say you were not warned of the damnable folly of pretending you were on your way to heaven while you repeatedly told us how you reject obedience to the word of God
btw just so you know you will not stand before your brother, you will not stand before his non-denominational pastor but before HOLY God Himself, so choose wisely
Rodney K. wrote: This is a very pertinent article. True (corporate) worship is more than just the singing. Praying is worship. Reading the word is worship. Preaching and teaching (and being taught) are worship. Worship is also responsive. We hear truths about God in songs, preaching, taking of communion, and we respond with heart of gratitude. This may be exhibited differently by different people and at different times. Nevertheless, it is always a response to who God is and what He has done. When the response stems from the music itself, it is wrong.
Rodney K. Tennessee IMHO In our corporate worship there is enormous need of God-fearing, Biblically knowledgeable, Praying, Mature Experienced, Spirit filled LEADERS who love the people entrusted to their leadership with the love of Jesus Christ, far more than the most talented of performers...something I think you already know quite well
And for what it is worth, this morning I remembered this song was on YouTube as it has been a blessing to me in the past and I trust will be in days to come as well.
1517 wrote: Michael H, Certainly agree that the minds of believers should be prepared for worship. Likewise, if a hymn is biblical it can help facilitate in that purpose. The danger is believing it is the "atmosphere" (lighting, decor, beat of the music) that creates the framing. I recently left a church where "atomsphere" was inviting, but the preaching and true worship was wanting.
1517 Sadly I have to
Then again I've been in a prison chapel, without any of the modern high-tech enhancements and experienced some truly wonderful worship (where you felt the manifest presence of Holy God)