Jim I think it might be good for us to remember Balaam
Was not the anger of the LORD aroused against him, and the Angel of the LORD stood in the way with a drawn sword to kill him?
While Balaam is not the Pople and neither is the Pope, Balaam sin and rebellion against God and make no mistake about it all false Christianity, all false religions are sin and deserve the punishing justice of Holy God
And you and I and everyone of us ought to tremble that we play NOT politics and go awhoring after "prophets" to come and support and advance our political agendas and schemes, especially when they (our political affiliations) are cleary wrong, evil, rightfully hated by Holy God
I suppose Muslims (ISIL/ISIS) have no problem seeing Francis I, even though he is their brother in serving Satan, is a threat to their dominance and tyranny and having the world bow down to them and would want to kill him
didactics wrote: I guess what you are saying here Michael is that
Your "theology" is quite (I'm trying to be polite and respectful here) screwed up and would shut up the kingdom of heaven from men
didactics If you could wake up and realize Jehovah is the Only True and LIVING God we won't have to have these 'exchages'
You would be wonderfully blown away in what His grace in the shed blood of Jesus Christ really is, how it relates to sowing and reaping to fruitful labors, to heard and answered prayers, which you probably don't appreciate He Himself puts His children to praying btw, so that He might answer them, anymore than you probably don't realize in His sovereignty He puts His preachers to TEACHING His Word and Preaching His Son Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior so that lost people whom He has choosen before the foundation of the world would be saved.
If you realized how twisted and perverted Satan has made the sovereignty of God to be in your 'do nothing, justify doing nothing' imitation of Christianity you would despise yourself for buying his lies and in mourful repentance cry out to God to forgive you and change you and as Paul did go out and preach the faith you once tried to destroy in others
Chris Frost wrote: Disagree. This a horrible reason to be jailed. This church intentionally irritated their neighbors on a regular basis. All they had to do was turn the volume knob down a notch. This is no way to share the gospel....shouting at people while they are trying to sleep. It is reminiscent of Westboro tactics.
Chris Frost Indiana I hope you didn't get the idea that my comment was in anyway an approval of the ongoing conduct (if reported accurately) of this pastor and his church. I would NOT call that the preaching of the Gospel either.
That said, how much and to what degree is the Gospel of Christ really being preached today in our modern comfort and sin loving churches? imho it is a well developed artform to head today's local church to the world, to ecumenical and interfaith apostasy and to the ease and comfort of having a name you are alive while your church is really dead.
If we were seeing the Gospel really preached in the fear of the LORD, in the Power of the Spirit, real Christian preaching (as in preaching Jesus Christ not just a little lip service to Him) in churches fervant in their praying we would be seeing people genuinely saved, born again, converted
How much better to get arrested (if we have to get ourselves arrested) for preaching the Gospel, really preaching the Gospel, preaching the word of God, the Law of God, the Holiness of God, the day of His righteous judgment against all unrepentant and unbelieving sinners, His immeasurable undeserved reward for the Redeemed, pleading with sinners, Politicans and Prostitutes, drug dealers and church attenders, rich and poor, black and white, university educated and illiterate, literally everyone we can, to repent, "protesting" and exposing the evils in our world, preaching that only through Jesus Christ can one be forgiven and reconciled to God and today is the day of Salvation (things like that)
Much learning and growing to do in all this, and prehaps if it is God's will, jail time too.
John UK wrote: Bro, it is rather tragic that hardened sinners - boozers, drug users, heavy metal devotees, perverted people, gamblers, strippers and prostitutes, hippies, CND protesters, Muslims, criminals, and all the rest - are left alone by the Christian population in general to their fate. But! As soon as any such get converted, or show any interest in spiritual things, boy oh boy, churches are after them, one after another, to "come and join us", including all the cults. All on a sudden, the people who ought to have been hungry for winning souls, and getting out there with the gospel, get interested, and try to win you to THEIR way of thinking, not pondering the fact that someone else did all the work and deserve the fruits of their labours. Whatever became of that museum-piece called EVANGELISM?
Brother Saint John UK Wales I am growing in the appreciation that to follow our Savior we need to see ourselves as 'revolutionaries' in the best sense of the word...to win people not to "our way" of thinking but into a thorough complete change of alligiance in everything to Christ, a fervant loyalty for His kingdom, a passionate seeking for His will to be done in our lives
NOT the comfort and ease of playing nice church Sunday morning
Agreed, and if I might deepen my comment, it is not just this pastor, and I am assuming his church too or they would have expelled him themselves, were holding beliefs contrary to the Southern Baptist Faith and Mission, but beliefs contrary to the Word of God.
May God indeed raise up modern day "Davids" who refuse to cower before today's modern day giants, and instead defeat them in the name of the LORD (not the name of the SBC or anything else), even as David did Goliath.
John UK wrote: Yes indeed, Rodney. But I believe the Lord will only strengthen those who ARE prepared to stand in this evil day. Too many are playing armchair Christianity and don't want to get out there and fight for souls. Jesus spoke about losing one's life for his sake and the gospel's. Is it revival we need, or just old-fashioned obedience?
Brother Saint John UK Wales Indeed, what a wonderful headline it might have been to read: Christians Congregation laboring fervently in their prayers and witness to see homosexuals, lesbians and their lovers, friends and the families they were born into saved.
didactics wrote: Michael; I am really worried about you and your friends
didactics Nice words but I tend to wonder, "Aren't you being disingenuous?"
Look at what John UK Wales posted about good TEACHERS, it is a real blessing: "As I see it, a good teacher will always expound scripture, he will explain it, he will force you to look at it, he will make you think about it in greater depth, he will tell you that "flesh and blood hath not revealed this unto thee", and so on."
Dear didactics, you have expressed your desires over and over again repeatedly not that we actually know Scripture for ourselves but to become conformed to the things you approve of, like the the WCF etc. AND in the "process" you have belittled the immeasurable importance and sufficiency of the word of God, the things God Himself approves of, blesses, honors, rewards ... if you really were all that concerned for us I believe it is safe to say you would exhort us to grow in our faith, to drink in the word of God, to seek God, to pray, to appreciate the Blood Jesus Christ willingly shed for us, etc. ... not try to lord it over our faith
So, let me encourage you once again, read/study THE BIBLE for yourself, HONESTYLY, humbly, SEEKING God
didactics So as to be clear between you and I My issues is not so much with the WCF but with "teachers" like you who teach against obedience to the word of God.
In the context of posts this is what you have done, critizing seeking the Lord "Seeking" is very much in obedience to God, and something God Himself honors, whether you approve it or not, which the word of God instructs people to do
Shame on you, for pretending to be so religous (righteous?) and educated (religously informed) while failing miserably to exhort obedience to the Lord Jesus Christ and His word. For what it is worth such "teaching" gives "Calvinism" "Reformed Theology" and your precious WCF a very bad name. Maybe this is what you want?
As to what preachers can and should say from the pulpit, what business it is of your? You have shown you are not qualified to critique others until you get the log out of your own eye first, but I will give you a hint:
Read your own Bible, it flows with teaching and preaching from God Himself. For example ever hear of the Sermon on the Mount? I have it on good authority the Preacher kind of knew the Truth of what He was preaching. Oops! He just might not fit your system of interpretation
didactics wrote: Michael; God provided His Church with TEACHERS for HIS purpose
Your comment is "interesting" as shouldn't a godly God-Fearing Teacher point a child of God to the Bible, in the first place
Isn't this what the Holy Spirit does, who teaches the child of God into all the Truth (which would of course be the Living and Powerful Word of God, the Bible), thank you very much. (Your not one of those "Catholic" types who believe it is only the clergy who can really have the Holy Spirit are you? I sure hope not)
Listen to the nonsense you are promoting: You continually point people to the WCF, as if Scripture Alone isn't good enough, isn't sufficient for the child of God (ever read 2 Tim 3:16,17?) and if 2 Time 3:16,17 says what it say, and does by the way, why would anyone vainly impose anything upon it to vainly imagine it will make them a better, more complete, Christian?"
didactics wrote: Michael; Don't forget what the Biblical WCF Catechism teaches
Oh Dear Didactics Interesting moniker (didactic - intended to teach, particularly in having moral instruction as an ULTERIOR motive (WCF anybody?))
On the contrary don't forget what the BIBLE (ever hear of it?) teaches
Let me explain my words a bit for you: "...in the sand of one eyed hyper-predestinationism ..." Biblically those who hear the words of the Lord Jesus Christ and do NOT act upon them are like someone who builds his house on the SAND, and it doesn't stand and relates directly to those who call Jesus, 'Lord, Lord' and do not enter the kingdom of heaven because they practised iniquity (lawlessness, disobedience to the commands of God, NOT because they didn't keep the WCF, Dhort, etc. etc.)
"one eyed" where essentially to them everything relates to predestination and election, which ARE Biblical doctrines in the context of all of Scripture, not triumphing and nullifying the rest of the word of God
So these some call "hyper" both rob themselves and those they can subjugate to their interpretation, of the PROMISES God Himself gave to us in Seeking Him, and consequently don't seek and find, don't ask and receive, don't ...
Mike wrote: The election year manufactured crises are here. Enjoy the distractions.
Mike NY I don't know about you but more and more it seems to me that many, many people, even church people, are doing what Israel did in the OT, they are demanding a "King" to save them from their troubles and give them a wonderful comfortable life full of ease and pleasures...right now! Instead of humbling themselves and seeking God to be real (because He is by the way) and rule in their lives and give them the mercy and grace they so need but so do not deserve nor ever could earn of their own righteousness and merit, to live not for themselves but for Him who died for their sins and rose again on their behalf.
And of course for some they abuse election and predestination to stick their heads in the sand of one eyed hyper-predestinationism and act like God as the LIVING God died a long time ago and what really matters now is the TULIPs they put on His imaginary grave, instead of looking for HIS RETURN
Christopher000 wrote: Oh, and then they accuse by saying that those who feel they have to do anything means that God needs our help in the salvation "process", etc.
Brother Saint Christopher000 in a state (colony) founded by "Baptists"
We ought to weep for the miserable people who seek to shut up the Kingdom of God from us, because they do not enter themselves and begrudge the JOY of those who seeking first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, who are pursuing the obedience of faith out of genuine love for the Lord Jesus Christ who died for their sins and rose again from the dead for them, and are growing in a real experiential knowledge of God, who is Holy in their lives
I am amazed how they don't believe the Lord Jesus Christ who repeatedly told us (His disciples) things such as: Ask, and it shall be given to you Seek, and you shall find Knock, and it shall be opened to you If any man thirsts let him come to Me and drink If you love Me, you will keep My commandments
and sadly: "He who does not love Me does not keep My words"
My precious brother saint, it is the Fahter's good pleasure to give us the Kingdom let us seek Him for it
John UK wrote: Unless I'm reading Michael incorrectly, he is putting forth something which can only result in blessing, namely, to "fear God and keep his commandments". The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and we sure could do with more wisdom in the churches today. And we sure need to get back to a reverential approach to God, especially in "worship", lest we offer "strange fire" before the Lord and he take us away like he did with Nadab and Abihu.
Brother Saint John UK Wales Thank you! You have read me correctly. The book of Jude tells us to earnestly contend for the faith once for all delivered to the saints, and contrasts this with the UNGODLY who pervert the grace of God into a license to enjoy their sins
Jude NKJV 20 But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. 22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction; 23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh.
John, imho there be many in today's churches defiled by the flesh needing to fear God and be pulled out of the fire
SteveR wrote: For those following along at home, Madonna practices Qaballah The Talmud reads like a commentary on the Old Testament, it was authored by various Rabbis. Religious Jews consider part or all of the Talmud as divine. Thus as a Christian witnessing from the OT, you will find Jews rely on the Talmud for what the OT means, rather than what Scripture clearly says. The Mishnah is generally considered the most authoritative part of the Talmud, with other books being more conflicted. Talmudic mysticism, Kaballah, is found in parts of the Talmud. However most of what people call Kaballah today, is really Qaballah. Qaballah is a pagan offshot of Kaballah. Not to leave out Christians, they too practice Kabbalah knowlingly & unknowingly. That is known as Cabbalah. Confused yet? Anyways, I would say the antisemitic label on those that warn of Kaballah, Kabballistic parts of the Talmud, or Talmudic statements that deny the divinity of Christ, is not warranted. I dont think Penny is slandering Jews for being Jews, she is warning of some very dangerous teachings.
Too bad you cannot seem to bring yourself to warn people about the false Chrsitianity of the Roman Catholic Church, the Great Harolot of Revelation, with many more membes than Madonna
Jim Lincoln wrote: To be a fly on the wall to see the motivation of some of these highly paid mega-church pastors.
Jim Lincoln I've had a little experience with mega-buck pastors
And althought I might disagree with him on some matters, I appreciate David Platt's attitude about his salary as a mega church pastor, which he tells in his book RADICAL: RECLAIMING YOUR FAITH FROM THE AMERICAN DREAM, which you can read the first chapter free online
GSTexas wrote: I didnt see anti semitism in pennys post at all. She simply spoke against Kabbalism and Talmudism, which are of satan, and any Christian should speak against.
GXTexas Perhaps some post on here without any regard of what is being posted.
In the context I brought up whimpy preachers The disinformation/propaganda of Muslims and how God Himself can and does choose the delusions of...let's call them the committedly disobedient (who refuse His warnings btw)
Aiding and abetting Muslims (ISIS etc) thinking they are our friends, giving Islam a protected status in the U.S., is a serious delusion, don't you think
So seeing kabbalism and talmudism, although are real, are not directly affecting Christians like Islam itself is I replied as I did, as it had the 'feel' of Antisemitism, especially with the way she came back at me, whether or not Pennned intended it that way
My personal bottom line on this annivesary of 9-11 is it is us who have seriously neglected 2 Chron 7:14 (oh to be sure we give it all sorts lip service, don't we) and we are reaping untold consequences of neglecting that precious promise given us by God
Penned Won't the saints best witness to Jews in knowing the Gospel and in the Power of the Spirit