Delivered wrote: "Something that so infuriated the Pope that after Wycliffe had died he orders his bones dug up, crushed and thrown into the river." And, wasn't this after he had been buried 300 years? Correct me if I'm in error. The problem with RCC is that they foist their heretical "teaching" on the masses. Hardly do they say "Thus says the LORD." It seems to be the teaching of the church.
John Wycliffe Died: December 31, 1384 try this article as a start
markfour wrote: What about these "mysteries" which Jesus refers to? Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:"
markfour Ever read Matthew 11? Jesus saying, 'I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou didst hide these things from the wise and understanding, and didst reveal them unto babes: yea, Father, for so it was well-pleasing in thy sight.'
I didn't say ...revealed to the sophisticate prominent thinkers, did it
I do hope you might remember Jesus told us, that, 'Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.'
What to think about it? "Children are in!" "Sophisticated xperts in Religion are?"
for those who can see wrote: Since Augustine is not posting
Ever hear of John Wycliffe? Seems he got himself in trouble with Augustine's beloved RCC for the crime of translating the Bible into English so people could read the word of God for themselves Something that so infuriated the Pope that after Wycliffe had died he orders his bones dug up, crushed and thrown into the river
That for those who know and consider the very Biblical 5 Solas of the Reformation This is a much better "starting point" than Dr. "Allegorical" Augustine of the RCC
Jim Lincoln wrote: Penny and Mourner, I really think you should read, http://www.internationalstandardbible.com/A/allegory.html (Allegory). Now this was by a Dr. Shodde a Lutheran theologian of the late 1900's. I don't agree with all that he said, in fact, the Song of Solomon should be taken literally also, but he usually made some good points, an given in this example from his commentary,
Too many people want to take what Christ says about salvation literally, but prophecy allegorically, and there's nothing in the Bible that supports that!
Jim You might already be aware Marc Monte here on SermonAudio has and excellent series on the Prophecies of the Bible
It was a wonderful brother in Christ from the UK whose comments got me interested in this series with his comments
1517 wrote: Jjperra, You have nailed down the lunacy of today's spirit. They want to walk according to desire but assume it will stop at homosexuality. If this wall falls, we are officially a doomed nation. Yet, God be glorified, we all knew this was coming, just not the means.
1517 Not only is there a lunacy in today's spirit, Imho there is a gross SINFUL cowardice to avoid taking the Gospel to those who hate God and just about anykind of Christian too
I don't know if this movie will be good or not I like Ray Comfort's earlier 180 a lot
Anyway I wanted to give you all a heads up on "Audacity" so you all can be in prayer about it and whatever interrelated matters issues, like courage to witness the Spirit may lead you to pray about
here is a link to the trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj-ZuDm3m6o "Audacity"
I don't know about you all but I think I've got a lot of learning and growing to do BTW - a sermon that encourages to seek God, study, pray much and pray even more is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4pJgvreFwE The Power of God in George Whitefield's Life
Without finding the exact quote referenced anywhere I could find, I applied as best I could the Biblical principle of having at least 2 or 3 credible witnesses, especially agreement coming from dissimilar interests like Academia, Protestant and Catholic
my post was from http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/6496/why-and-when-did-allegorical-interpretations-of-scripture-lose-their-appeal
another would be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_Good_Samaritan
and of course there are various Protestant and Catholic sites (even the Mormons) who reference him
I will make note of your request and make sure I record it when I come across an exact reference
Markfour One's own allegorical intrepretation of the Bible is a great illustration of not seeing
John for JESUS wrote: Mourner... It's weird to me that Christians should believe contrary to scripture
If you want to read something bizzare listen to the RC St Augustine's allegory of the Good Samaritan. It is way beyond me how so many adore this Dr of the RCC as somekind of authoritative Bible expert. I imagine the lost and ignorant think it is so spiritual
A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho = Adam
Jerusalem = the heavenly city of peace from which Adam fell
Jericho = the moon, and thereby signifies Adamâ€™s mortality
Thieves = the devil and his angels
Stripped him = namely of his immortality
Beat him = by persuading him to sin
And left him half-dead = as a man he lives, but he died spiritually, therefore he is half-dead
The priest and the Levite = the priesthood and ministry of the Old Testament
The Samaritan = is said to mean â€˜Guardian,â€™ and therefore means Christ himself
Bound his wounds = means binding therestraint of sin
Oil = comfort of Good hope
Wine = exhortation to work with a fervent spirit
Beast = the flesh of Christâ€™s incarnation
Inn = the church
The morrow = after the Resurrection
Two-pence = promise of this life and the life to come
Lurker wrote: The olive tree figures the Zion covenant of peace and those who abide therein. Jeshua and Zerubbabel (2 olive trees, Zech 4) are figures of 2 prominent NT men. James was appointed the first bishop of Jerusalem so you can see the figure of Zerubbabel as governor fulfilled in James. With that you should be able to figure out who Jeshua figures.
Lurker Your post reminds me of hearing a (I hate to use the word here) pastor speak on the Book of Revelation saying, 'he did not believe the Book of Revelation would happen like it was written in the Bible, he believed God would conquer the world through love'
So, as respectfully as I might let me make a brief comment that might, using your words "ruffle the feathers" of some who have their own intrepretations of end times (like the above Pastor)
The Book of Revelation will have its fulfillment exactly as God has said and we can trust Him to make His word good in His time, even as we can trust the reality of the Bible being Truth from its very beginning in Genesis.
It is far more important/fruitful that we read His word, listen and believe Him, and live by what He says to us with the joyful faith of being His child, then to be in religious bondage to figure it all out
John Yurich USA wrote: What has brownies got to do with this subject matter? I am stating I know that the RCC teaches those doctrines pertaining to the Virgin Mary but I am choosing not to believe in those unscriptural doctrines pertaining to the Virgin Mary. And for your information Catholics are not required to pray to the Virgin Mary and the Saints.
Would some kindly help this poor soul out and explain to him the brownie story and how he really doesn't not believe the unscriptural teaching of the RCC that much
KK somewhere in the USA Saint John UK Wales Good morning I like your posts
as an encouragement this morning, God willing I will be talking about three men who stood up against the RCC John Wyciffe John Huss William Tyndale
a stand that is intimately interrelated to the "Sola Scriptura" of the Reformation hopefully something those who a burdened by the evil going on today will have deep in their faith, that our God has spoken, His word is true, and everyone of us who believes in Him will not be disappointed even if we die a martyrs death at the hands of the ungodly whether they be homosexual atheists Muslims or even our "old friends" the blasphemously idolatrous Roman Catholics, and their moder day unregenerate accomplices who invest our churches in the disquise of christians
Oh! That God would rend the heavens and come down, and touch the mountains that they would smoke, that we might see His glory, know the Joy of His Salvation and sinners tremble at the immeasurable love in Chrit they have shunned and mocked
John Yurich USA wrote: Michael H., You keep stating the unscriptural RCC meaning that you believe that the entirety of the RCC is unscriptural?
Story: Some children asked their father if they could attend a popular music concert. They pleaded with him, all their friends would be there, and yes, even though they knew many of the songs were really bad there were some very good ones too.
So the father thought about it and cooked a batch of brownies for his children (they really, really liked brownies) and told them it is like this: the brownies he made were like the concert, they had some of the best ingredients but just one special addition ... dog poop mixed in and they could not eat the brownies without eating the dog poop too
John Yurich, your little itsy bitsy bit of unscriptural false teachings mixed in with some very wonderful good stuff makes your RCC quite a plate of brownies indeed. So enjoy, eat up all you want if that is what you really really want to do because you love your RC brownies so, so much
John UK wrote: Brother Saint Michael, it is one of the best little tracts I have ever come across, in the form of an allegory. The message is well clear, and may help some to realise just what has happened and why. All my tracts were done on Serif PagePlus DTP. If I can whittle it down to MS Word or the one I use now Ability Office, I'll send it to you. But it may be some time.
Brother Saint John Uk Wales That was great! Thank you for sharing it.
I had never heard of Ability Office Do you like it? I normally type in MS Word but for a varities of reasons am considering getting something else Probably a refresher in a beginners computer class for school children would give me a lot better computer literacy than I have now.
John UK wrote: Brother, it is my intention, seeing as how your post reminded me of it, to later on post a little tract which is all to do with this whole business. I forget who wrote it, but it does spell out what has happened in the Christian church over the years, and reminds us of the all important thing. I formed it into a tract called RT13 (all my tracts were called "revival tracts") along with clip art to make the reading easier. I shall just post the text, and may need to do it is several posts, because although it is a short tract, it won't fit into one post.
Brother John UK Wales Do post the text and if you would not be too much trouble please consider emailing me the whole, clip art and all and I will have a go of uploading it as an edoc here on SermonAudio
1517 wrote: Michael, I will pray for you because I have the same acid churning reaction too. This capitulation to sodomy is demonic without question. I swing from "board up the windows" and go hermit to "How long God?!" This is our struggle; the aggressive belligerence and madness is sweeping the land.
John Yurich Didn't I ask that you spare us your empty words
Didn't I post to you there are many who post here on SermonAudio who know what it is to acutally renounce and repudiate the unscriptural RCC
They know what it is and you don't. If you actually listened to them and took what they say, and further verified all of it with the Bible, because it is there clearly and in context in what God Himself say, you would know your self-righteous agrandizement (if that is the right word) is not Scriptural and not faithful to the Lord Jesus Christ either.
Of course these are things an unregenerate RC or Ecumenical won't appreciate and only try to explain away