Yes! Indeed Witness to False Christians Brother Trevor, it is not just there is a movement to treat Mormons as fellow Christians BUT especially with Roman Catholics and the same comments in your introduction apply with Catholics as well.
John Yurich USA wrote: In fact if I attended a Protestant Church I would not make the minister cognizant of my beliefs either because it would not be any of his business what my beliefs are. It is no business of the clergy what the beliefs are of their church members.
John Yurich Sorry to disappoint you but it is the business of the clergy/leadership of a church to know "you" and what the beliefs (condition) of its members (sheep entrusted to their care) are.
Now while it is true they, the clergy/leadership are not to be a bunch of self-righteous hypocrites that Lord it over the people of their congregation and micro-manage their faith, they ought to know you and care about you, especially whether or not you truly know Christ or have a pretend, make-believe counterfeit for genuine saving faith,
And likewise they ought to be open with their faith and where they are at in their walk with Christ as well. Do they feed you the Truth of Scripture, do they help/encourage you to obey and serve the Savior, to they cover with their praying you and others, do they set an example of genuinely loving others especially of seeking the lost, the poor the hurting, are they truly servants?
Jim Lincoln wrote: Mike, as you probably know I go to a "Calvinistic" Church. This of course we do believe in Election
Jim, Are you posting to me or to Mike NY? Just want to be sure here as sometimes people call me Mike.
Anyway why shouldn't an honest person believe in election...that would of course be Biblically NOT the distortion of it to fit in the systematic theologies men abuse to their own ends/agendas.
Anyway I am fond of saying this, so if you will indulge me to say it once again, 'If someone wants to know the Sovereignty of God, they must pray (of course Biblically, resting entirely on the sufficiency of the merit and mediation of Jesus Christ) not their own righteousness
Lots of learning and growning for all of us in this. John 8:31,32 2 Tim 2:15
didactually Actually it seems to me that some (hyper type?) Calvinists abuse the Bible Truth on the Sovereignty of God
So IMHO some (hyper?) Calvinists to get someone to buy into their teachings instead of simply exhorting and encouraging an individual to humble, prayerfully and honestly read the Bible for themself must refer them to, let's call it a Calvinistic Indoctrination Center.
For example one does not have to attend a Calvinist/Reformed Church to learn of the Complete Sovereignty of God in Salvation because this is what God Himself in the Bible shows and teaches and likewise gives great confidence (thankful humility too) to those God brings to Salvation, being saved by God and for God apart from any works of righteousness we do (Titus 3)
things 'good' Baptists have know for years, thank you very much.
John UK wrote: Michael, Good points. However, does changing things bring revival, or does revival change things, or does God meet us halfway?
John UK There is certainly much to be said regarding Revival and how it comes.
May it suffice us for the moment that God in His Sovereignty places by His grace an appreciation of what the fulness of His Spirit (or outpouring) in His people means a holy dissatisfaction with pretend, counterfeit and excuse ridden religion and sets us to confessing our sins and seeking Him to Revive us until He does.
Going shopping with my wife and daughter check back in later.
John UK wrote: Bro Michael, it is true. Revival would bring back the missing ingredients to Christianity, namely, the experiential and experimental parts. Not the goosebumps and casting out demons, but Holy Ghost infilling and loving people wherever they are.
John UK IMHO and probably not mine alone, that the biggest obstacles to genuine Revival in today's churches are sadly the pastors.
I say this because when the Holy Spirit moves in power, He shakes up "relgious business" as usual, and He deals with sin from the pulpit to the pews and pews to the pulpit, and IMHO breaks down the artifical laity/clergy separation, even as He moved the writer of Hebrews to say, 'They shall all know Me from the least to the greatest of them.'
Heartbreakingly I have seen too many pastors seemingly more concerned with their dominance in the local church than that God would come and rule, reign and bless His people...ALL OF US, not just the "ruling, seminary elite.'
So if you are a pastor and reading this Please humble yourself and pray and seek God for genuine Revival in your own life and that of your people - And kindly get thoroughly rid of celebrity religous nonsense and garbage that masquarades as Christianity
John UK wrote: Roman Catholics don't understand what it means to be born again; they think it is something to do with baptism.
John UK Barna did a survey not too long ago finding out only about 1 in 4 Baptist and 1 in 3 Pentecostals knew what it is to be born again and other denominations where far, far worse. It is likely to be worse today in both Baptist and Pentecostal Churches.
Great Sermon! It is entirely accurate that the Hunger Game books/movies do not have a Biblical Worldview. BUT do we?
It is so easy to profess to be a Christian and yet follow the hyporcisy of the Pharisees who sought to impose an external righteousness upon others.
The fictional Hunger Game books, entertainingly can remind us to REMEMBER WHO THE REAL ENEMY IS, in these books there were two tyrannts one from the Capitol and one from the rebellious District 13
For us as believers we so need the grace of God to have the work of the Spirit and the word in our hearts so that we genuinely live by faith in Christ, our Savior and Lord, the very best of all Masters, who is worthy of being the first and foremost love of everyone who has ever lived or ever will.
Something we do not need "magistrates" to impose upon us externally but "Preachers/Prophets" to declare the Truth of Christ to us from the Scriptures
that Romans 10:13-15,17 in context would be a blessed experiential reality to us saved by God and for God.
Christopher000 wrote: What's always so crazy to me is how they hate God so much. So bold and brazen to something they know exists at some level, but Instead of keeping to themselves, they feel the need to advertise their hatred; hoping to get more on board, I guess.
Christopher000 It is not just 'atheists' who hate Jesus Christ so much, or live like they don't need Him
Look at the Book of Revelation:
Rev 3 14â€œAnd to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write,
â€˜These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: 15â€œI know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. 17Because you say, â€˜I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothingâ€™â€”and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and nakedâ€”18I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. 19As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.
Isaiah 5 20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, And prudent in their own sight!
Thank you, SermonAudio for carrying this news report reminding us of the truth of this man and his doings.
Still IMHO this issue of disinformation applies not just to those spreading praise and disinformation about Neslon Mendela like the resident of the White House Barak Hussein Obama, but to so many other areas of our lives as Christians for example:
the highly praised and popular (but don't forget ecumenical/interfaith) Billy Graham the humanly speaking nice man (but don't forget serious antiChristian Mariolotry) Francis 1 the jello on purpose Rick Warren the elastic emergents like Rob Bell
Proverbs 28 4 Those who forsake the law praise the wicked, But such as keep the law contend with them.
South Africa continues to need our prayer and so many others too
Just a thought here Jesus did not tell us that if we abide in His word we, His dsiciples indeed, would be 'polically correct' but rather that we would know the TRUTH and The TRUTH would set us free (not political terrorism, propaganda and abuse of the courts)
Almost time to kiss my wife good bye and go drive truck for awhile
So before I do let me encourage all of us in how even the Apostles did not set themselves up as unquestionable authorities when it came to doctrine, the gospel and the word of God (even when choosen by Jesus Christ to be His apostles)
Galatians 1 6I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospelâ€”7not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
10For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servantÂ£ of Christ.
What a wonderful humble God fearing attitude when it comes to the Gospel of Christ.
Not even an apostle has any right in the least to tamper with or alter it. To which I would say even (ab)using other Biblical Doctrine, like election, to do so
didactually wrote: Gs. The problem is that you Baptists cannot read ie interpret or exegete the Scriptures properly.
Didactually Excuse me did you actually mean to say something more along the lines of -
the problem with you baptists is that you refuse to exegete the Scriptures the way "we" (sacramental infant baptizers/sprinklers) instruct you to interpret them.
GsTexas wrote: Any thing other than Scripture for proof of doctrine is shaky ground, and not proof at all
Too which if I might add an observation, it would be this: I have never found a Roman Catholic, and I do not believe I've ever seen a (hyper?) Calvinist/Reformed telling or instructing anyone along the lines of:
Read the Bible for yourself Trust what God Himself says because He says what He means and means what He says and He speaks to us in words we can understand (especially by His grace and the ministry of the Holy Spirit) He cannot lie Pray, seek Him, ask Him to give you understanding of what He says for He will And ask Him for the grace to do what He tells you because He will help you to do His will We indeed have the wonderful promise of Jesus Christ Himself John 8:31,32 for those who abide in His word
Christopher000 wrote: Michael Hranek from Endicott, New York writes: Just a brief thought that has hit me. One I have a lot of learning and growing to do.
Christopher000 I am indeed humbled But please do know this all of us have in the Apostle Paul a wonderful Spirit filled example of this
Phil 3 7But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. 8Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; 10that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, 11if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
12Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. 13Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are...
Christopher000 wrote: Thanks again, Michael. Listened to them last night...didn't know they were songs. My favorite? The 1st one: Dear refuge of my weary soul. I could listen to it over and over Thanks again...much appreciated.
Christopher000 You are most welcome and part of the thanks goes to my 19year old daughter who got me looking up Christian Songs on YouTube With discernment there are some excellent ones. (there are some sermon clips and full sermons that are excellent as well - some of the very same messages here on SermonAudio)
Also I am so taken back that "Dear Refuge of My Weary Soul" was originally written in the 1700s and example of Treasure our modern churches, me too, know so little about and when God leads us in finding it/them so enriches our lives
John UK wrote: The message to be preached is "Jesus Christ and him crucified".
"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness...."
We are to preach the blood of Christ.
"What must I do to be saved?" But no-one is asking this question.
There must needs be much ground work in a sinner's heart before he will ever ask such a question.
The mechanics of why a person comes to Christ through the preaching of the gospel is not nearly so important as that he DOES come to Christ. If he refuses the gift of God he will perish in his sins. If he turns away from God's grace, he will continue in darkness.
I wonder if anyone cares? Eg. "Oh well, if they didn't believe, they weren't elect." Too bad. Eg. "Oh well, they had a chance, I gave them a tract, I invited them to church, they stupidly turned their back." Too bad. And meanwhile, every second, another sinner drops into hell for ever. Too bad, eh?
Brother John UK You have said a lot.
Few are the pastors such as the church my daughter visited in Tennessee where the pastor began his Sunday message and ended up weeping over the lost in his city...and calling his congregation to praying for the lost (his church gets out and witnesses) with prayer every day in Dec
Christopher000 wrote: Wow, I understand what you're saying, Michael. Things like that, the simple things really make me take a moment to think and actually bring me back to my senses a bit. Many might chalk things like that up to coincidence...I don't. Thanks again for taking the time, because since yours is limited, I'm pretty sure you had better things to be doing...
better things to be doing??? I don't think so.
Isn't everyone genuinely born of the Spirit family? And doesn't our Savior know how we need the encouragement of each other in these difficult and perilous times when our faith is so often sorely tried and under such assualt from the enemy of our souls?
Michael, thanks a lot for the links and I will watch them when I get home today. I will do pretty much anything that has the potential to help in any way. I just don't get it...
Christopher000 Without the least bit joking, it is stunning to me that I could be at home today and read your post and have time to respond to you, literally divine Providence to not be driving truck today.
I believe you will like the clips Even more in God's time and in His Sovereign will (and willingness), His Almighty Ability to do what is truly impoossible for us to do Even more I believe you, and your wife will be filled with joy unspeakable and full of glory for His ANSWERS to your praying
So pray on, my brother and we will be praying along with you to see His Power and His glory, His kingdom come and His will done.
I am of course refering to 2 Peter 3:9 and so many intimately interrelated verses to this.
Christopher000 wrote: a depression that's becoming unbearable.
My Precious Brother You might not hear these in Church but do let the words bless your heart AND KNOW there is victory in Jesus Christ, in His Blood, in His Name and in HIS WORD in and for the Spiritual Battle that devils have thrown against you.
Dear Refuge of My Weary Soul http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIwRiDym3Xc
O Love That Will Not Let Me Go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS3o_160OhE
Now this one has a slow start BUT it is so good From The Depths of Woe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aVWBSmghAs
sorry - I apologize YouTube often gives us commercials before their clips/songs
The Friend of a Wounded Heart http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP0pqq87t3w
By the way, our Savior is indeed our Refuge and Strength a very present help in trouble, and even the modern sophisticated 'unbelief' of today's (I hate the use the word) preachers will NEVER nulify the faithfulness of God to abound in Mercy to ALL WHO CALL UPON HIM
Please do remember: He who did not spare His Own Son but delivered Him up for us all how will He not also with Him freely give us all things - all the sufficiency of His Grace for us
Lurker wrote: While UpS will answer himself, I've asked this question many times and never get an answer.... If Gen 17 is the biblical authority to baptize males; from whence is the biblical authority to baptize infant females?