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s c wrote:
I would offer to you that the wretched lost sinner in this case is being drawn by the Holy Spirit who offers freely Wisdom to any one who diligently seeks...

s c
I hope you can appreciate my abruptness as
"we" have been bombarded (sometimes 'blasted') by some who make it out like lost sinners are so totally unable to, I am going to use the word 'feel' the conviction of the Holy Spirit, totally unable to understand, or if you will, "hear" the word of God, even with the Spirit bearing witness to them it is the Truth, and consequently rob people of putting confidence in giving people they love and care about, the Bible and what the Bible says.

There is much more to say in this matter and we don't have space here.


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s c wrote:
Not disagreeing with you, Michael, but, and ,of course, you know this...apart from the Holy Spirit understanding Scripture is impossible even for mental giants.
s c
Any where and doing what might the Holy Spirit be when some poor wretched lost sinner on his/her way to hell picks up a Bible and starts reading it, (honestly to the best of their Yes fallen limited) human ability seeking to know the Truth about God?

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Jim Lincoln wrote:
So, I have a deep hostility to the Pentecostal movement
Jim
Okay

But perhaps you missed my point:

Teaching someone to actually read the Bible for themselves is "deadly" (wonderfully so) to false, all false religion even Charismatic Insanity

And regarding this news thread, something the word of faith false teachers and the RCC in some measure share is the false teaching (Mormons have it too): 'you can become a god, or at least a little god.'

My point being
if we teach people to read the Bible for themselves (they will find in it treasure beyond anything on this earth) and be able to thank God for the Truth He leads them to find, false teachers and religious celebrities who exploit people with lies will most likely hate us for it.

I wasn't talking about how bad or not Pentecostals are or were (btw a tempting target for others who might need to do some serious soul searching about themselves first)


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Jim Lincoln wrote:
No John, millions of ex-Catholics know you have to Come Out Of The Catholic Church to be considered a Christian, your mode of worship dipleases God. But then, any Christian would know that.
Jim
Am I correct in thinking you have a prejudice against Pentecostal people? I would hope you would consider that there is a wide spectrum from some I believe are genenuinely thoroghly saved by God and for God, to those who are abominations walking around in the disquise of Christianity

That said, perhaps you can appreciate a true story

There is what I would call an old-timey Pentecostal preacher who commented 'Roman Catholic people love me, and Roman Catholic priest hate me.'

Why?

Because, this is my telling here, this old-timey Pentecostal preachers was teaching them how to read the Bible for themselves

And the RC priests knew that was deadly to their Catholicism, because if they read the word of God for themselves it would lead to

"You must be born again"
Believer's Baptism by immersion
Parting company with those who teach lies and error (like the RCC they were in bondage to)
And spreading the Gospel of Christ with other RCs


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John Yurich USA wrote:
Did you even look up the website of First Church of God of Tulare, California
Yep, somehow I missed finding any statement of faith

So I could not say one way or the other what they believe or don't. Maybe I should contact them and inform them of your beliefs, statements etc. So they, if they are genuine might warn people of false conversions

But what I did find this morning was something else indeed

Wretched: Oh no you're not!

The CCC paragraph 460 and becoming a god

You all might want to watch the "Wretched" clip first to appreciate the second link


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John UK wrote:
Just downloaded the pdf, bro. And hey!
quote:
The word salvation is an immense word. When you trace it through the New Testament you will find that there are actually four tenses of salvation.
Quite so brother John
and I believe it is safe to say all of this is intimately interrelated to being born again of the Holy Spirit, regenerated, for the child of God

As a side bar to these 4 tenses, I have encountered Knights of Columbus trained Roman Catholics who are taught to say these four things about their salvation...but what is glaringly lacking in their testimony and "scholarship" about salvation is the absence of being born again of the Holy Spirit

Consequently although they can and often do play word games about 'being saved' with evangelicals and protestants, using to be sure the right Bible words, they don't know what it is to actually "be Saved" because they do not have the new birth (John 3; 2 Cor 5:17)

I hope you appreciate they don't trust Jesus but essentially Mary, etc. etc. for their salvation

BACK TO PARIS REIDHEAD

His application to all this in his sermon, that Jesus didn't die to send us salvation but to become our Salvation

Is that we would be His bond-slaves forever


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John for JESUS wrote:
Born again believers are saved, but they will not inherit their salvation until Jesus returns. Salvation means someone is being saved from something. I believe we are saved from the eternal death that unbelievers will be punished with. Regeneration means someone is being brought to life. I believe this is talking about a believers spirit being brought from death to eternal life by the washing of regeneration by the Holy Spirit. Believers will be receive salvation because they have been regenerated.
John 4
YouTube has a powerful clip (7:53) Come... and He will set you Free! taken from Paris Reidheads sermon So Great Salvation that is wonderfully clear about the salvation we have in Christ

I hope you watch the clip, again if needs be and also as you are able listen this wonderful Brother Paris Reidhead


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John UK wrote:
Well of course a saved person is saved from the future wrath, he could hardly be saved from something that isn't here yet.
John UK
I sure wish people won't play word games with salvation. Is there a future aspect to finally having the fulness of what Jesus Christ has for us? Certainly. But to alienate that from regeneration (being born again) is ridiculous. Jesus told us that, 'Ye must be born again.' Why? Because without the new birth
1. you are not fit for heaven you would still have your old fallen nature in enmity against God
2. you couldn't even see the kingdom
3. you couldn't enter the kingdom (relates to the first one)

maybe others might word this differently
But again to play word games with salvation, can sabotage, sidetrack or distract what a child of God has in Christ

and perhaps by some be abused into attempting to take them captive with somekind of "religious philosophy" like circumcisiom, speaking in tongues, King James Onlyism or hyper(?) Calvinism

Spurgeon and Whitefield (both Calvinists) (the Wesleys and DL Moody too) don't seem to play intellectual words games in their ministries and it likely it is better if we don't either

BTW 1 John 5:13 in context of course


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John UK wrote:
Also,
1 Corinthians 1:18 KJV
(18) For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Faith in Christ Jesus crucified and we ARE saved. It is a present possession.
I don't know where Lurker is going with this.
John UK
I don't either, but I can speak to where those you might call hyper-Calvinists have gone with it, things are of course way beyond the (modified) Calvinism of Spurgeon and Whitefield

They separate regeneration and salvation in order to wrongly put regeneration (the new birth) before and completely independant of repentance and faith, to give preeminence to election/predestination

This allows them to avoid, excuse themselves from the Great Commission

like the attitude express to William Carey:
When John Ryland Sr. called William Carey “a miserable enthusiast” and told him, to sit down that God “would save the heathen without your help or mine,” he reflected the hyper-Calvinism of John Gill, who set forth his position in numerous works and prided himself on never extending an invitation for a sinner to trust Christ during his entire London pastorate of more than 50 years.


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Lurker wrote:
Throughout the day I've offered plenty of scripture and exposition which clearly demonstrates that regeneration and salvation are not one in the same and you have nothing to say in rebuttal.
Lurker, Again that is NOT true.
I had already posted

Titus 3:4-7
4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared,
5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He SAVED us, through the washing of REGENERATION and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Oop! But then seeing salvation and regeneration are interrelated if one is honest in their theology and doctrine they must need rightly apply Romans 10 lest...

Rom 10
13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be SAVED.”
14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not BELIEVED? And how shall they BELIEVE in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?

If God's word isn't good enough for you nothing will be


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Lurker wrote:
Since you obviously rejected my explanation of this text
Oh Dear Poor Pitiful Lurker
You worked hard to loose my respect for your scholarship, but you did, even going so far as to malign those who take the Bible literally

So politely "no"


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Ardent wrote:
But they have not all obeyed the gospel.
Ardent (what a moniker, got any others?)
Lurker, this is for you as well

Wow! I am amazed how your fierce devotion to the teachings of John Calvin and his self appointed Reformed prostyletes far exceeds the Calvinism/Reformed theology of C.H. Spurgeon and George Whitefield, along with imperfect notables like Ian Paisley in the better days of the Free Presbyterian Church

You all are just way too smart for a simple minded Baptist-type believer like me who doesn't know much more than

'Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved', as if that is something a wretched lost hell bound sinner could actually do and be saved, born again of the Holy Spirit, regenerated, saved by God from his or her sins and saved for God, like God wants to save sinners, how stupid could I be to dare think anything so wonderful and undeserved as that

I bet your families are so impressed with you, they must fall all over themselves begging you to tell them how they must be saved. Oops! I am so sorry I should have said, "Be A Calvinsit like you"


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ladybug wrote:
Michael H,
You state "It is NOT written FAITH comes by regeneration" and provide Romans 10 as a proof text. That's fine,
Ladybug
And you should have stopped right there

Lurker is wrong, and abusing other verses doesn't nullify Romans 10 nor Titus 3 and it certainly doesn't make him right

I will certainly agree with you
'Jeremiah 17:9 describes the human heart, desperately wicked and deceitful' something "one eyed Calvinists" demonstrate over and over again in their false teaching that lost people are totally unable to respond the convicting work of the Holy Spirit and the Word (or the Gospel too)

often accusing non-Calvinists of things we are simply not saying in regards to the complete sovereignty of God in Salvation

Paul is correct, not Lurker nor Calvin as it applies


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outofthedunghillps113.7 wrote:

The man who returned to the Roman Catholic fold
Dear "ONE EYED DECREEDISM"
(just edited my post to give you another moniker you can use)

If an imperfect man who horribly returned to the RCC could rightly be concerned with something wrong with Calvin's theology why can't you?

Go ahead and honestly reread Doctrines Lead to `Dunghill’ Prof Warns as (quoting the article) "Apparently Baptists always have had problems with an UNMODIFIED Calvinism. Only a few can be mentioned here.

Kind of makes me want to look into:
"The Gospel Worthy of all Acceptation" by ANDREW FULLER


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Lurker wrote:
There is no warrant to interpret regeneration and salvation as one and the same.

Lurker, that is NOT true.

Titus 3:4-7
4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared,
5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He SAVED us, through the washing of REGENERATION and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Oop! But then seeing salvation and regeneration are interrelated if one is honest in their theology and doctrine they must need rightly apply Romans 10 lest they exalt themselves about God making Him out to be a liar

Rom 10
13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be SAVED.”

14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not BELIEVED? And how shall they BELIEVE in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?

17 So then FAITH comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

It is NOT written FAITH comes by regeneration


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Doctrines Lead to `Dunghill’ Prof Warns

(From Article)

While it is difficult to state briefly Calvin’s view of predestination, perhaps the best summary is that given by Calvin himself:

“By predestination we mean the eternal decree of God by which He determined with Himself whatever He wished to happen with regard to every man. All are not created on equal terms, but some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation, and, accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of these ends, we say that he has been predestinated to life or to death” (Institutes, 3.21.5).

Bolsec could not accept Calvin’s position, which seemed to erect a whole system of theology on “eternal decrees” without any reference to Christ or the love that caused God to offer His Son as a sacrifice for sinful humanity.

Bolsec did not deny man’s sinful nature or the need of salvation, but his view of election focused on Christ and the grace made available to believers through faith in Him.

He also recognized the individual’s ability to respond in faith or to reject God’s gift of salvation. In doing so, there was no room in Geneva for Jerome Bolsec. He was expelled from the city.


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John for JESUS wrote:
1)I have qouted a couple scriptures to you, so you are wrong. Also, demons only believe God exist, they don't trust in Him. There is a difference.
John for Jesus
In these discussion it is worth noting
'the natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God...'

of the Spirit of God
Let me repeat that...of the Spirit of God

Hmmmm?
Would that be maybe things like, the supernatural agape love of God poured out in our hearts, meaning genuine believers, ones truly born again of the Holy Spirit, which is another thing the lost are unable to comprehend until they are

If we rightly divide the word of Truth as we are commanded to, we will realize the very context of Scripture flows with the reality of how, sinners both know God exists and surpress this knowledge, know sin is evil and deserves punishment, while they practise sin and approve of sinners, even while they judge others

Another thing unregenerate men have no personal knowledge of, is the sovereign work of God convicting men of sin, making real to them the Lord Jesus Christ, and drawing them to call upon His name to be saved from sin

But they may indeed know there own personal rejection of Christ even if they vainly substitue religion for Jesus


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Dorcas wrote:
Michel,
What you say is true concerning a FEW who post here.
But those of us who believe the doctrine of grace, as the Bible so plainly teaches, do not fall into that category.
Most who post on this board give all the glory to GOD for their salvation, not John Calvin.
My small mite.
Dorcas
You are a precious sister to me, so I beg you please don't take what I post wrongly, I am just thinking here

Suppose someone in a Psalms Only Church yearned to see a loved one come to genuine saving faith in Jesus Christ. Such a person would need much grace and wisdom to the best they could, not let "Psalms Only" become a distraction or hindrance to the very one they long to see saved,

BUT that in their life the one away from God might be so convicted with the reality and worth of the Lord Jesus Christ, God might bring them to where they want Jesus Christ as their Savior from their sins, and as Lord over their entirel life more than anyting.

Sometimes I think we all forget:
Rev 22:17 KJV
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

And instead want people we care about to do what pleases us


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PursuitofTruth wrote:
Dear Michael,
Do you think all Calvanists are one eyed?
PoT
Are you trying to be funny?

Of course not, only the 'one eyed ones'

But since John UK responded to your post, let me expand abit on 'one eyed Calvinists'...This is my opinion

"One eyed Calvinists" do great damage to Christians, in that they all too often influence Christians, even those who are much more like Whitefield and Spurgeon in their theology (Calvinism) to bow down to them, or walk on egg shells around them, they are bullies who like to beat up on others to have their way

and sometimes to avoid a fight people avoid standing up to them because often such a fight hijacks the thread away from any useful discussion, and people are robbed from a great deal of encouragement they could have had in matters really important to them

John has just mentioned the sovereignty of God and human responsibility, 'one eyed Calvinists' likely won't hear of such a thing from a non-Calvinist with their 'selective hearing' (I am called an Arminian, I'm not) but will lap it up if some famous Calvinist spoke or wrote about the very same thing.

Basically it is more important to them to convert someone to John Calvin than to Jesus Christ


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PursuitofTruth wrote:
P.S. No one thus far has tried to use scripture to support the antithesis: that we control our own salvation, and our own destiny! Maybe you should be the first to use scripture rather than opinion.
Dear PoT
Please take a breath
We already know, or at least should know, you are quite capable of putting words into someone else's mouth that they didn't say, isn't that right?

Again you haven't really listened have you. I never, did you get that, never and by the grace of God will never say anything less than or different than

Salvation requires a supernatural work that only God can and must do to save sinners from their sins

But such amazing grace does not divorce effort from the matter, if anything the grace of God ought to rightly motivate and produce great effort in those desperately needing the mercy and forgivness of God

Ever hear of the woman who came univited to the dinner where Jesus was? Now some sanctimonious "one eyed Calvinist" might have said something to her like:

'If God wants to save you He will and if He doesn't you will burn in hell and there aint nothing you can do about it, oh by the way I am one of the elect choosen Pharisees, not a sinner like you.'

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