Same Old Folderal wrote: Strange headline that caught my eye
A newer technique is the 'cell-group' concept, I think adopted from the RCC who may have adopted it from communist-guerilla teachings.
Since you mentioned cell or small groups this might be a couple of useful articles to prayerfully consider, and in some cases the 2nd more often than we might like to discover relates to too many modern day churches, especially with the elderly who know the Scriptures and resist those who would redefine Christianity into something else.
In the first I particularly liked the chart: THREE KINDS of GROUP RELATIONSHIPS
Small Groups and the Dialectic Process http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/04/3-purpose.htm
Dealing with Resisters Who Refuse to Compromise their Faith http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/04/4-purpose-resisters.htm
penny wrote: MH -- ya, did you go to their website? have you ever known someone who said such brazen things that if you stood next to them in an open field, you sometimes imagine having to duck as a lightening bolt comes down from the heavens when they speak?
Penny Yes, I visited their website before I posted on this thread. What they have on their site seems quite cult-like and mixes up important issues like Liberty and the 2nd Amendment with some, let me use the word "baffling" to be politely, conspiracy theories and a troublesome KJVOnlyims.
John Yurich USA wrote: Having friends and engaging in verbal communication with individuals in church is highly overrated. It is not required for entering Heaven upon ones demise that one fellowship with individuals in church.
Shame on you!
Hebrews 13:16 And do not neglect doing good and sharing, for with such sacrifices God is pleased.
1 John 1 1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life‚ÄĒ 2 the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us‚ÄĒ 3 that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things we write to you that your joy may be full.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1 John 2 3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, ‚ÄúI know Him,‚ÄĚ and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
7 Then he said to them, ‚ÄúWhat kind of man was it who came up to meet you and told you these words?‚ÄĚ 8 So they answered him, ‚ÄúA hairy man wearing a leather belt around his waist.‚ÄĚ And he said, ‚ÄúIt is Elijah the Tishbite.‚ÄĚ
9 Then the king sent to him a captain of fifty with his fifty men. So he went up to him; and there he was, sitting on the top of a hill. And he spoke to him: ‚ÄúMan of God, the king has said, ‚ÄėCome down!‚Äô‚ÄĚ 10 So Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, ‚ÄúIf I am a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven and consume you and your fifty men.‚ÄĚ And fire came down from heaven and consumed him and his fifty.
John Yurich USA wrote: Being against abortion is being Anti-American? Why don't the Pro Abortion individuals think before they make such insane statements? Are they incapable of making rational statements?
JohnY They likely make them for the same reason that you do.
If someone says something over and over again no matter how outrageous it is, eventually it has an affect in society at large of brainwashing or deceiving people into believing something that is not true as if it were
btw statements like this ought to addressed in the pulpits of our churches Hint: warning the people of how much Satan hates anyone, especially those in a Bible Obedient Church, who oppose the worship he gets in the heinous human sacrifice of babies in abortion
Calling the people to prayer, and if they themselves are not right with God to repent, and seek God that His kingdom would come and His will would be done in our lives and in our country.
Leatherneck wrote: Is there not one Righteous person in the Senate!
Leatherneck Do you mean like the "Brave German Woman" who even CBN could tell and report is wonderfully unusual in our compromised and cowardly modern men pleasing churches? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYyhb9bnPwQ
No! NOT that kind of righteous man who would have a holy anger over false religion to stand up and make it known.
Just wondering wrote: I'm very much aware that their jesus is not the Lord Jesus Christ of Scripture so much so that my stands against these things in my family (transubstantiation in particular) has cost me their wrath, even to denying me those things that sustain life, if the Lord had not been pleased to deliver me, and I trust he will continue to deliver me. They have escalated in recent days on another front hoping to get support for me from outside the family, against my conscience. Will I buckle in my understanding of the Truth?, not if He sustains me.
I face another questioner on Friday.
You did not however answer my question which was: Do they actually deny his humanity? Think about it.
Just Wondering Please let us know how it goes with you.
Lurker wrote: May we assume you have no family pictures?
Lurker IMHO what a mess.
Hollywood distortion of the word of God - Extremely Bad Lack of love for, knowledge of and especially by the grace of God genuinely living His word out in the Fear of the LORD - Likewise Extremely Bad
a use (or abuse of) the (quote) regulative principle, theory or interpetation would probably be better words - sometimes puzzling because no where in Scripture are we told to have central heat and air in our churches, pews, and let's not forget indoor plumbing
I don't know about you all but with this regulative principle thing I think I've got a lot of learning or would that be unlearning and groaning to do. This RP thing might be as bad or worse an intrepretive principle of Scripture as hyper dispensationalism (cessationism) can be.
R. K. Borill Being by the grace of God a former never to be again Roman Catholic I can identify with the understanding of the 2nd of the 10 Commandments teaching us that idolatry is an iniquity(sin) of those who hate God, and it is a sin that affects not just RCs but heartbreakingly all of us one way or another.
GSTexas wrote: This man is woefully ignorant of sound biblical doctrine.
Good Morning GSTexas
Actually I think RW has quite a bit of head knowledge of Biblical Doctrine and the real problem with him and others like him (and can be with us too if we are not on guard) is that He does not fear the LORD.
For that matter if you or I would talk with people today, even church people about the Fear of the LORD, it seems many of them, sadly even seminary educated pastors, would know little of what the Bible says, let alone treasure it in thier lives.
Just wondering wrote: I'm very much aware that their jesus is not the Lord Jesus Christ of Scripture so much so that my stands against these things in my family (transubstantiation in particular) has cost me their wrath, even to denying me those things that sustain life, if the Lord had not been pleased to deliver me, and I trust he will continue to deliver me. They have escalated in recent days on another front hoping to get support for me from outside the family, against my conscience. Will I buckle in my understanding of the Truth?, not if He sustains me. I face another questioner on Friday. You did not however answer my question which was: Do they actually deny his humanity? Think about it.
Just Wondering I am not worried about what RCs deny or don't.
Neither am I worried whether or not you might answer the questioners they recruit to their satisfaction, as in all likelyhood nothing, no matter how true or in how much love and reasonableness will matter to them.
WHAT IS IMPORTANT to me for you is that you be COVERED with the prayers of God's people. And may we do just that right now, through tonight and tomorrow however we are burdened to pray, and especially however the Spirit leads us.
Just wondering wrote: then why do they teach that Mary herself was immaculately conceived?
Just Wondering In my observation: to remake God, especially to remake the Lord Jesus Christ into an image (crucifix) and likeness (little baby in his mother's arms) whom they do not have to obey
Their Jesus has to obey his mama, their remake of Mary (supposedly holy from her conception to her supposed perpetual virginity) so their jesus has to obey his mama and let them into heaven, she is after all in RCC Theology "Queen of Heaven" (mythology a far better word) After of course supposedly being made fit for heaven after their time of suffering in purgatory
remaking their Mary into the unconditional loving mother who loves them no matter how evil their sins, similar to the (I hate to abuse the words) "motherly love" some earthly mothers have for their criminal children),
their jesus just being only the someone their Mary offered for their sin, who died on the cross that they have to consume from time to time in the Eucharist (their jesus is only in their belly for about 15 minutes until he disolves)
In their minds their jesus could not possibly have had a sinful earthly mother or he would have been defiled by her sinfulness
BUT Even more I think it would help even more to get out of churches, and out from under the condemnation, intimidation and influences of religious celebrities who have misled and deceived many into believing the lie that it is evil to: preach against sin to expose false teachings and teachers to part company with false Christians to preach the Truth, The very best of your good works and being religiou, even very religious and saying you believe in Jesus Christ doesn't make you a Christian, "Ye must be born again" or you are not a Christian, you are not a child of God (and if not whose child does that make you?) you are not right with God, you are not on your way to heaven, you are on your way to hell forever.
Christopher000 wrote: Always amazing how passionate the athiests are against God. Would you think that if they truly didn't believe in a creator, they would just snicker amongst themselves saying,"Oh, there go those crazy Christians again", but not be bothered in any way?
Christopher000 I think it is safe to say that in the very nature of sin is the reality of men (women too) seeking to make themselves God, or at least a lesser diety, even in churches into some kind of a "pope" if you will.
In the righteousness of our Lord Jesus Christ we see something quite different, He who is Diety, the 2 nd Person of the Godhead, lays His glory aside to be a servant. He told us He did not come to be served but to serve and to give His life a ransom for others.
May God give Bill Nye (others too) a "train wreck of conversion" similar to Mrs. Butterfied author of "The Secret Thoughts of an Unlikely Convert" if I am remembering the title correctly.
John Yurich USA wrote: It is an impossibility for anybody to be both a Muslim and a Christian simultaneously. Islam does not worship Jesus as God whereas Christianity worships Jesus as God.
John Yurich I believe it is safe to say anyone reading the exchanges of posts we have had here on SermonAudio can tell we are not in anykind of agreement as to who a genuine born again believer and follower of Jesus Christ is.
That said, you are correct, in this you wrote: "It is an impossibility for anybody to be both a Muslim and a Christian simultaneously."
HERE is the point I want to make, this news story is almost 7 years old BUT this kind of thought to seek to have it both ways continues with us today.
It reminds me of the comment by the late Dave Hunt in his book: A Woman Rides the Beast (The Roman Catholic Church and the Last Days) he wrote: "An Antichrist "Christianity" must be created which embraces all religions and which all religions will embrace - precisely what is occuring today with astonishing speed."
Two quick examples CCC 841 regarding Muslims and Catholics adoring the same god
The document: Loving God and Neighbor Together signed by Rick Warren and others promoting the lie that Jehovah and Allah are the same God.
Dooey If you want to be upset with anyone, it would be far better to take issue with those in church leadership who are failing in this not a sister in Christ who IMHO is seeking to do the best she can do in what is essentially a mindfield of a mess in today's Christian society in America
Beside if you can do better lose the moniker post under your real name and take your stand.
I think you will find in a hurry there is alot of learning and growing to do, and the very real possibility you will mess up.
Dolores wrote: I'm sorry but when a person is in the spot light carrying the name of Christ and then blasphems that name and giving hope to people that are headed for hell and is actually helping the cause of Satan really gets me fired up, I believe it's called righteous anger, the same anger Jesus had when He threw the money changers out of the temple and called the Pharisees vipers, white washed tombs with dead men bones inside. He died for them in spite of what they did to Him. He would forgive them as well but when you are self righteous it's hard to see yourself in need of a saviour. There are two sides to God Love and Justice. Btw, Dooey, I'm not against you or arguing for myself but for the cause of my Christ.
Dolores My hatred of evil in this matter is not so much opposition to RW although it is that BUT also or even more for those in church leadership who refused to vet this man (and others like him), expose him to their denominations and congregation and stand up for the truth explaining Biblically why, but instead promoted him and his teachings in the church, BECAUSE if those in leadership had been faithful to teach the truth and protect those entrusted to them from false teaching we would simply not have the mess we have today.