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The Sabbath was given at creation for all mankind. Thatcher, with malice aforethought, sought to destroy God's gracious provision - not the "mark" of the Christian that our presby friend hr would have us believe.
You singularly failed on substantively supporting anything that you posted and also challenged me on.
In response I simplified 1 single question to the very basics, asked repeatedly, and then drew the necessary conclusion. And thankfully, ALL Conservative movements worldwide have abandoned monetarism.
The big if: You were the one to assert "If prayer, Bible study, faith and church are the mark of a Christian, then Thatcher demonstrated this mark" but you give her the free pass of silence on the anti-Christian Shops Bill 1986 and the destruction of the Christian Sabbath.
We discussed leadership before but you dropped that one like a hot potato when presented with the facts of her unprecedented denial of Christian conscience.
You have nothing other than rhetoric to offer and are blowing smoke. Some might see see that as a fitting tribute to Mrs Thatcher indeed on this thread.
But perhaps you should be forgiven all these things if you missed all the facts because you followed Tebbit's advice to get on your bike and served a foreign despot instead. Socialism? Islam? Why serve one, when you can serve both.
Monetarism was introduced in the UK by the preceding Socialist government, so that wiki entry "Thatcher implemented monetarism" is incorrect. She did not implement it, but abandoned it. But do keep advocating massive government economic intervention ...
So, let's keep it simple (and relevant) for you. Since you would have me believe that monetarism should be employed today,
1. which measure of the money supply will you use? or,
2, by which measure of the money supply can the economic policies of 1979-1990 be measured?
If you are a Monetarist these should be very easy questions to answer.
You have had ample opportunity to make a relevant response but you simply do not know what you are talking about.
btw - Still waiting for the Christian view on the "Christian" destruction of the Sabbath from you ... silence is golden.
hr wrote: You really must practice what you preach.
... yet you display no knowledge of what monetarism actually is even though you preach it.
It is profoundly different to both a free market ideology, and government fiscal prudence and a balanced budget.
It involves an attempt to manage the ENTIRE economy at a macro-economic level. If you reject big-government intervention, you ought to reject this out of hand, but you give your idol a free pass on this - and Sabbath destruction.
So, let's keep it simple (and relevant) for you. Since you would have me believe that monetarism should be employed today, which measure of the money supply will you use?
by which measure of the money supply can the economic policies of 1979-1990 be measured?
FYI - Ronald Reagan abandoned monetarism in 1982. That is the pre-existing economic policy (it was introduced under Carter) that he actually rejected.
Your telegraph quotation does not in any way respond to your quotation from me. The simple fact remains that Margaret Thatcher embarked on the largest big government social experiment ever, in a vain attempt to control the money supply.
After vainly changing her definition of the money supply multiple times in search of a measure she could control she eventually gave up in abject failure and quietly abandoned monetarism altogether. Do some real research for once, and find something relevant.
Measured against the standards she set for herself:- 1. Monetarism - abandoned as a failure. 2. Harmony - she brought ever more discord.
Measured against: 1. Christian values - she was the architect of the destruction of the Christian Sabbath. 2. Leadership values - she introduced a 3 line whip to destroy the Christian Sabbath denying her MP's a free vote on a matter of conscience. No wonder she suffered the biggest parliamentary rebellion in history. Sadly, she had sown the seeds of the bitter harvest being reaped by families today. Ever wondered why there is no moral backbone and leadership in Conservative MP's today? - look at who took away the right to a moral conscience for them!
Jim - BBC World News is available 24 hrs a day- moan to your TV provider.
She was certainly very biblically literate, and used biblical allusions many times - e.g. her calculated abuse of the parable of the Good Samaritan. Some may even like her quoting of St Francis of Assisi, the current Pope no doubt would! However, she had no intention at all of bringing harmony where there was discord. The Lord knows if she was a Christian.
Some of you may be interested in this article published by her foundation, it is an interesting read. http://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/2193F2214D8E4842A573084E7DFCEB16.pdf
Her experimental Monetarist economics were completely out to lunch and have been rightly abandoned by ALL Conservative movements worldwide today, just as Ronald Reagan abandoned it. Sadly she sacrificed many on her monetarist altar.
"historic requisite" would have us believe Thatcher "back then" found it necessary to have unemployment to get rid of the evil ecology polluting coal industry.
When called out on the stupidity of this statement "hr" posts ...
hr wrote: Nobody was an environmentalist back then.
Which is also a bit odd, considering the Ecology Party was functioning long before Margaret Thatcher took power and contested 53 seats in the parliamentary elections in 1979.
hr wrote: Unemployment wasn't the fault of any one person whether politician or peasant.
Tell that to "historic requisite" who said it was "necessary" in order to meet a stated political objective. Only a fool would think all unemployment was the result of one person. You are arguing with "historic requisite's" strawman. Are you in league together?
historic requisite wrote: Unemployment was necessary back then to get rid of the evil ecology polluting coal industry.
Odd. She switched to imported open-cast coal which was a far bigger environmental blot on the landscape...
Also, anachronistic reasoning on 2 grounds. First, Thatcher was not an environmentalist. Second, even if she had been motivated by environmental concerns, Low NOx coal burners have now been used in power generation for 20 years now.
If there was any sense in your comment you would have thought that switching to supposedly cheaper fuels would have been a boon to employment in all other industries. Yet, the vast majority of Maggie's extra 2 million unemployed were not coal miners...
But please don't let the plain facts get in the way of your idolisation. Fortunately Trade Unions are still with us, so you can keep blaming them for the next 30 years for all the failures of the Tories today.
A great loss of 2 million jobs that were never recovered, entire industries and communities destroyed, a country divided as never before, British independence betrayed with the Single European Act and the architect of the destruction of the Christian Sabbath in Britain.