SteveR wrote: My goal w/Martin was to establish the correct Christian understanding of Esther. Esther is a type of Church, King Ahasuerus is a type of Christ.
"One Night with the King" Religious fiction.
A heathen king is a type of Christ?
What about the rest of the cast of characters in the book?
Here is a version I like better.....
Esther = Anne Boleyn, Ahasuerus = King Henry VIII, Vashti = Catherine of Aragon, Mordechai = Thomas Cranmer, Haman = Cardinal Woolsey. Purim = the day when real believers in Christ were released, at least for a couple years, from the iron furnace of the RCC teachings and dictates carried forward by Henry into the CofE. Accurate even down to the king's seal given to Cranmer when appointed archbishop of Canterbury.
But.... that's just my opinion. However, you must admit, it carries as much weight as your version..... none.
John UK wrote: Quite so, Lurker. Those who have been set free from spiritual imprisonment and darkness, know exactly what the light and life of Christ is like. But for those who still languish in death, they can only grope about, even though they think themselves full of wisdom and learning. Self-righteousness can only be cured when we have a full sight of what sin actually is. And when we have that, it is enough to make a grown man cry in despair. But praise God that he is willing to make that revelation known, and give us understanding of our corrupt and sinful nature, for it is that wonderful schoolmaster to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified not by our own works or deservings, but by the completed work of our wonderful Lord Jesus, who died that we might live.
John UK wrote: The reason you do not understand what the strait gate is, happens to be the fact of total inability, when it comes to spiritual things. I feel very sad that you are in such a state as that, as is evidenced by your lack of comprehension when various good saints on these threads have sought to assist you in your spiritual walk. You seem to follow after the spiritual mistakes made by Pelagius, who is well known as a heretic and false teacher. Maybe you should read the Article 17 of the Church of England, and discover what it is that makes you so miserable.
Isn't it interesting, bro., that while Skywriter seems to deny the imputed righteousness of Christ, he/she (not CAB/Original Cheryl, btw) apparently believes the innate ability of man (logic, reason) to accept or reject God, which I suppose he/she believes is biblical faith, is capable of righteous deeds?
But, it is for God to give eyes to see, ears to hear and a heart to perceive.... or not. The book of life is sealed to this person unless/until God opens it.
Skiwriter wrote: Which gospel? the gnostic gospel according to Augustine (born in sin, saved in sin, die in sin, totally depraved, so it's not your fault and all you have to do is receive the magic cloak of Christ's righteousness imputed to you). Or the real gospel of the Apostles of Christ: born innocent, no mythical sin nature to blame it all on, repentance and faith proven by deeds, strive to enter through the narrow gate because you will be judged according to your deeds and Ephesians 2:8,9 just means the ordinances of the law as opposed to the righteous deeds of faith? If it's the former you might as well not bother, because that's why society is reprobate in the first place.
SteveR wrote: Im suggesting Jonah wasnt disobedient for selfish reasons, but rather knew the Law and was attempting to accurse himself for the sake of the Ninevites Matthew 12:41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
Thanks for making your point, Steve, but I just don't see it without reading something into the book.
Helps wrote: "..Violent events do not always argue the anger of God ; even death itself is to his servants a fatherly castigation.
But, O the unsearchable ways of the Almighty! The man of God sins, and dies speedily : the lying prophet that seduced him survives ; yea, wicked Jeroboam enjoys his idolatry, and treads upon the grave of his reprover. There is neither favour in the delay of stripes, nor displeasure in the haste ; rather whom God loves he chastises, as sharply, so speedily, while the rest prospers to condemnation : even the rod of a loving father may draw blood. How much happier is it for us, that we die now, to live for ever, than that we live a while, to die for ever!" Bishop Hall
Most excellent, brother Helps. Written with a God given passion for the ways of God.
Reminds me of the following....
Isa 57:1-6 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come. He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness. But draw near hither, ye sons of the sorceress, the seed of the adulterer and the whore. Among the smooth stones of the stream is thy portion.
SteveR wrote: I must remind you, the prophet in Kings 13, this 'Man of God' is NOT considered a false prophet by any denomination I know of. His demise has always been considered that judgement begins in the house of GOD. I ask you to consider why Jonah was treated differently, IF your premise is correct Adam Clarke on Kings 13
Didn't claim he was a false prophet. The fact of the matter is I didn't look up your references.
Why was Jonah treated differently? Probably because the man of God had already completed his call from God and Jonah had not. Did you notice God never delivered Jonah from His fit of anger? He never restored joy to Jonah's heart?
But if you've got a better answer, I'd like to hear it. Or is it that you are arguing for the sake of argument?
You are real good at doling out the questions.... how about some answer?
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Can't argue your point, Mike. All I can say is God pricked their hearts with fear first as He did with Peter's preaching at Pentecost. He reserved the reward He intended to give them all along until after the fear He set in their hearts worked repentance.
SteveR wrote: Two questions for you Lurker 1) What do you attribute the LORDs affectionate tone towards Jonah? 2) How could Jonah be so certain the LORD would spare Ninevah? Deuteronomy 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. Romans 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
1) I agree with James but will add; we must conclude that Jonah was a son of God unlike the false prophets you cited from other texts. Jonah was chastised for his disobedience as a father chastens his own son, but not cast off. B*st*rds (false prophets) are not chastened... they are not vomited onto dry land and set back on the narrow path.
2) He made it clear at 4:2. Don't ask me how. We must work with what is written.
There is a lesson for preachers in this little book but most don't see it or prefer to ignore it because its not a crowd pleaser. God didn't send Jonah to Ninevah to say: "I've got a wonderful plan for your life and I love you all soooo much". What did He say in no uncertain terms? "Your ways are evil and I will destroy you."
Jonah's heart was not right with God. His pride was more important to him than God's mercy for a people who didn't know their right hand from their left.
He was commanded to go into the city and tell the people God would destroy the city in 40 days. He knew God would grant them repentance, would not destroy the city and He'd look like a fool. Hence, his anger when what he knew came to pass.
Instead of praising God because the city repented and was spared for a time, he wanted to die because he was humiliated by God's mercy.
Not trying to interfere with your yarn here, but do try to draw out God's meaning and life principals rather than impose your own.
PursuitofTruth wrote: And btw did you notice this? Lurker wrote: But its a fact that many professing churches use the secular definition of freewill in the hope of increasing their baptisms and denominational membership. SteveR replied: With your argument that some Reformed Churches do not properly define what they mean by certain words to build membership accepted... Notice that Lurker says nothing in his/her post about Reformed Churches, yet in SteveRs rebudle he claims she was talking about Reformed Churches when, if you look closely, she was reffering to churches that profess to be churches even though there is not much meat to be found!
He.... not she.
And thanks for pointing out the obvious. Clearly I was talking about churches which espouse freewill theism. Another case of cherry-picking.
Hmmm.... Mizzzzz. Lurker.... kinda got a nice ring to it, eh? My slip isn't showing, is it?
SteveR wrote: With your argument that some Reformed Churches do not properly define what they mean by certain words to build membership accepted, you certaintly cant limit the responsibility of the Church to preaching salvation. How about our obligations in preparing the Saints in Sanctification? Scriptural education, administration and order? Surely your long discussion with James about the timing and process of Glorification was not in vain. And do not those discussions influence how you preach the Gospel? In the same way our obligations in Sanctification influence how we express the Gospel
So how do you propose to convert the Arminian freewill mindset to your way of thinking?
Sadly, this whole ugly sordid affair could have been avoided if Obama would have enacted sensitivity training for pre-schoolers or maybe even earlier at day care. Why shucks, he could add it to Obamacare then it would be free. Obviously this child is hate filled and probably racist too. Just a stroke of the executive Crayola, er pen (not you sister Penny), and its a done deal. No more crayon terrorism.
I think going to write my congressman right now. We need to nip this crayon terrorism in the bud.... strike while the crayon is hot.
PursuitofTruth wrote: Lurker, No problem, feels good to make fun of something for once! May you have a Crayola Crayon filled day!
I agree brother and thanks for the well wishes.
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Btw, Dolores. We were all thrilled to hear of the return of sister Dorcas's prodigal but wanted you to know yours is not forgotten be either me or God. I know the pain but God is faithful who promised. I rest in that hope and know you do as well.