Passerby wrote: A Prayer of Moses the man of God.]] Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations (Psalm 90:1) Behold how pleasant ... May God bless you.
Thanks. It appears we were both half right........
And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. **And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him.** And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
Mike wrote: Bro Lurker, I agree. As to ruffled feathers, that might only be showing a lack of confidence. Should the time come in our planetary lifetime, we'll find out what is and what isn't anyway, and arguing about it won't change things in the meantime. But I suspect there will be many jaws dropped.
Thanks brother. As usual, yours is a voice of reason in the midst of chaos.
Passerby wrote: He tabernacles with us. He is our dwelling place.
Psalm 132:13-14 For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation. This is my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it.
Zion is God's wife/bride...... His tabernacle....... His eternal rest...... believers who love God according to Deut 6:5. We are His dwelling place......... not the other way around.
Mourner wrote: Do you have a thought on Zechariah 4 and Rev.11 concerning the two olive trees/witnesses/ candlesticks
The olive tree figures the Zion covenant of peace and those who abide therein. Jeshua and Zerubbabel (2 olive trees, Zech 4) are figures of 2 prominent NT men. James was appointed the first bishop of Jerusalem so you can see the figure of Zerubbabel as governor fulfilled in James. With that you should be able to figure out who Jeshua figures.
As to how they relate to the 2 olive trees of Rev 11...... that will depend on your eschatology and hermeneutics.
Penny wrote: After their failed wores with millions dead, with persecution coming on the land and no rapture, you'd think they would get back to the new covenant so clearly written in the scriptures.
I seem to ruffle feathers when I get involved in discussions about eschatology so I'll just say that it'll take an awfully lot more before the dispensationalists scrap their fairy tale and search the scriptures for God's answers..... probably a nuke dropped on Jerusalem which I fear is a real possibility.
I read a lot of comments "Come quickly, Jesus" but everyone wants Him to come on their terms in satisfaction of their unbiblical ideas. Many will be ashamed.
Thank you for your response, Mourner, but it did not answer my question. The second generation of Israel were all born in the wilderness but none of the males were circumcised until they entered the Promised Land. The law requiring 8th day male circumcision was a published fact. God never said a word about it being a transgression of the ordinance. Why?
This may seem like nitpicking but if our understanding of these things is correct there should be no inconvenient snags to deal with. God is an infallible author..... if inconsistencies surface when a doctrine is put to the test, it isn't because of the Author but the interpreter.
A little help for you. When you type out a comment..... BEFORE you attempt to post it, right click in the dialogue box and right click "select all" from the pop-up menu. Then right click again on the highlighted text and right click "copy". This will save your comment to the clipboard and if you have timed out you can simply open another comment box, right click and paste and it will be there.
This works on a PC but if you're using a tablet I don't know.
Mourner wrote: Matt. 24: 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Which question was he answering? Matt.24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, (1)when shall these things be? and (2)what shall be the sign of thy coming, (3)and of the end of the world?
Good to see you posting again.
The verses I quoted was in response to Jim | Lincoln comment 4/1/15 3:00 PM........
"Yes, Penny, after the Tribulation, the only people left will be believers in Christ, this means all the Jews. There might be also some gentiles left after the Tribulation as well and they'll be all believers also."
Question...... Do you now have full time access to a computer? A year ago when you stopped posting, Christopher and I were emailing and at that time he was willing to give you a spare computer he had but we never saw you post again till now.
pennned wrote: Jim, everything you just wrote is conjecture.
Actually, Penny, it's false...........
Acts 24:14-15 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
The resurrection immediately follows the tribulation and both the just and unjust will be judged and rewarded. (Matthew 24:29-31)
Michael Hranek wrote: Lurker Again an excellent comment One I again can say to in good conscience Amen! and Amen!
You're not a coddler of error and neither am I. But more importantly, neither is God.
"Who is God?" is a question every pastor should ask their congregations to see if they are awake or fast asleep sucking their thumbs. Who God is should be hidden away in our hearts so we sin not against Him and should flow freely from our hearts when asked like the living waters He is.
I know we don't agree on a some things but I rejoice in those things we do agree on which have eternal consequences.
Since John Y. seems to be ignoring my question.......... let's all help him out a bit. Who God is should flow from the hearts of all born by the will of God Christians as living waters. (Not what He did, does or will do. Not His attributes.)
Though the list is long, I'll start out with the most obvious...
God is love (1 John 4:8)
This pretty well debunks the RCC claim that Christians and Muslims worship the same God. It also tells me the RCC has no clue who God is (they worship a meaningless word) but that their claim to worship Jesus as God is just a conditioned response which a parrot could duplicate.
Whoever has a mind to, jump in and help John Y. out. Perhaps your contributions will be used by God to prick his heart.
John Yurich USA wrote: Lurker, I have never stated that because one recites the Apostles and Nicene Creeds that they are saved. It just means that they worship Jesus as God. That is all.
Either you are attempting to avoid my question or you've lost the plot. I have a tough time believing the latter, you being a highly intelligent fellow and all.
You say Catholics worship Jesus as God. Who/what does the RCC say God is? If you can't answer that, who/what do you say God is?
If you can't answer, how are you any closer to God than the Athenians of Mars' hill (Acts 17:22ff)? How can you expect to be known of Him if you don't know Him? How is it possible for you to be indwelt by God the HS yet you don't know who He is?
Perhaps you should consider that it takes more than logical and analytical thinking to answer the question. All the head knowledge in the world won't get you where you hope to go.
John Yurich USA wrote: Lurker, God is One and only Supreme Being mentioned in the Bible consisting of the Father, Son and Holy Sprit of which the Catholic Church worships in the form of worshiping Jesus as God.
Muslims and Jews reject the idea of a triune God. Yet the RCC states Christians and Muslims worship the same God.
So why am I to believe that because the RCC teaches its congregants to commit to memory and recite a certain creed that they actually know God or rather are known of God? If you know God and are known of Him, surely it should not be burdensome to explain, not what He has done (creator of heaven and earth, etc) or His attributes (almighty, omniscient, longsuffering, etc.), but who/what He is.
Follower wrote: Come on Lurker. What is a fool? Or, who is a fool? The fool says in his heart "there is no God." He is the one who talks to no one. Neither does he see anyone coming or going. He questions whether or not he has a brain because he has not seen it. But he suspects that others have brains. Lurker, do you or do you not have a brain??? Where's the evidence?
Since you seem to be new to the discussion board and I don't want to discourage you, I'll elaborate a bit.
John Y. states the RCC worships Jesus as God. The same RCC also states that Muslims and Christians worship and adore the same God.
Therefore, it seems a fair question: Who/what is God [that both Muslims and Catholics worship]?
Unprofitable Servant wrote: Brother Lurker, the apostle James quotes from Amos to show that God would call the Gentiles into His fold, something the Jews would have trouble grasping (see Acts 10:45; 11:3,17,18). Amos was a prophet to Israelites who lived in his day. (see Amos 1:1) God said (Amos 9:8) His eyes were on the sinful kingdom (the house of Jacob) He would sift Israel (v9) that they may possess the remnant of Edom and of the Gentiles which are called by My name. He then states that the plowman shall over take the reaper, the treader of grapes the sower of seed and the children of Israel shall build the waste cities and inhabit them. Dear brother will you please show how any of that happened in the days of Paul.
Can't do it. Your mind is closed by the hermeneutics of men.
But thanks for reminding me why I quit posting a few months ago.
John UK wrote: But you know I'm not at all up on relating prophecies from the OT to the NT, and it would take me years to grapple with such. However, if you can lay it out in simple enough terms, maybe you will be able to at least show me what it is you are saying.
The book of Amos (among others) is contextually relevant to the letter to the Romans for at least 2 very good reasons: 1) Acts 15:15-17 quotes Amos 9:11 and points to the time God took His Kingdom away from the Jews and turned to the Gentiles in mercy. 2) Paul died (Rom 7:9) when the commandment came which ties back to Amos 9:10. These 2 facts make it abundantly clear that the prophecies in Amos all find their fulfillment during the time Paul wrote to the Romans.
So if that be the case, why wouldn't we look to Amos to gain some insight of how to interpret what Paul wrote? In the case of Rom 3:23, we can subjectively say "all" means whatever we want it to mean or we can make our appeal to Amos and let God tell us what He intended it to mean.
In the case of bro. Mike's comment: "Rom 5:15 "many" must mean all here, for all have sinned and all be dead." Not so... All Israel sinned but not all of Israel are Israel. The gift abounded to Jacob, not Esau, through God's purpose of election.
John UK wrote: Bro Lurker, Wow! Before I think any further, can you elucidate what you mean by "all Israel". Romans 3 Paul seems to be saying that by the law, all men, Jews and Gentiles alike, have sinned and come short, and that there are none righteous, not one. Are you saying this is not right?
Gotta go for a while but.....
All Israel? What saith the scripture in context?
Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Jacob = wheat, Esau = tares.
Re: Rom 3:23. Doesn't matter what you or I think it means....... If its subjectively interpreted in its immediate context, there will never be agreement nor will God's intended meaning be revealed. Its meaning can only be rightly discerned by bringing the light of the relevant prophets onto it..... in this case the book of Amos. Amos's prophecy and the letter to the Romans are linked together by timeline of fulfillment and they must be interpreted together.