Buckeyes wrote: (TMC) @Lurker LOL! Somehow I think he‚Äôd decline that offer! He‚Äôs a real piece of work. Our church leadership has met with him twice, calmly going over scriptures, and asking him to leave- but he‚Äôs responded like a brick wall. Our Elder thought he made everything clear when they met last week, but he had the gall to show up last Sunday, and then say he‚Äôll be back Sunday after next. The guy‚Äôs arrogance is boundless. You would think he‚Äôd have picked up some humility in his 70 some years of life- but apparently not. ‚ÄúThe hoary head is a crown of glory, IF it be found in the way of righteousness.‚ÄĚ Pro. 16:31
Of course he'd decline.
A good number of years ago, a cult member showed up here intent on converting everyone on this forum. His claim was we are not imputed with Christ's righteousness but have to establish our own righteousness. He claimed when Jesus said "It is finished", He meant is was finished for Him only. We have to live a righteous life of our own ability and merit.
After several days of attempting to reason with the man I finally suggested if he truly believed what he was saying he needed to find a tree and hang on it till dead... finish his own work.
Buckeyes wrote: @ Everyone I have a prayer request for my family‚Äôs church- we have a bizzare Pentecostal ‚ÄúMissionary‚ÄĚ trying to make trouble. He thinks we are all spiritually dead and going to Hell because we don‚Äôt pretend to speak in tongues, therefore he has made our church his ‚ÄúMission Field‚ÄĚ. Our Elder has asked him not to come, and even preached a whole sermon on wolves who seek to divide churches last Sunday, but the guy says he will be back. He‚Äôs also been warned that he will be removed if he is disorderly. Adding to the creepiness is the fact that he is a registered offender. We just really crave prayers that this man would stop coming and leave us alone.
It may be helpful to confront such an one with their own stupidity.
Perhaps your pastor could ask this screwloose to handle a diamondback rattler, drink some poison (say.... a glass of Draino) and restore a limb of an amputee to prove his point?
Mark 16:17-18 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Anne wrote: This really gets old and is exactly why I had stopped commenting on SA. We take our life experiences, fit them into biblical law, and chuck the rest of the Bible out the window. Then wave our righteousness flag about how good we are now thanks to God and how pleased God is with us. Drunkenness is a sin, not drinking; gluttony is a sin, not eating; fornication, adultery and sexual immorality are sins, not relations in a marriage. Stop transmuting sin onto objects. I grew up in the SDA church and have heard EVERY single argumemt against drinking alcohol in any form. They will not hold up against the Bible's lawful use of wine. If you are convinced it's a sin, be convinced unto God. In the end will come those who tell you what to eat and drink and sear the conscience of many weaker brothers and sisters in Christ when they are not sinning at all. The church has a long, healthy history of drinking alcohol. (By the way, look at the prohibition movement - it was started by women.) The problem is SIN, not alcohol.
B. McCausland wrote: May these considerations guide our practice to the point of making this Forum 'different' from the vast scope of Social media existing today, distinguished by its unique, true and peculiar Christian ethos
Thank you for your timely contributions, sister,
I need to keep these biblical admonitions in the forefront of my thoughts as much or more than anyone as the temptation to retaliate in kind is ever present. To give in to the temptation is to give in to the old nature which we are to mortify in our members so God is glorified.
pennelope wrote: Brother Lurker, it seems that the object of your kindness in sharing personal testimony has missed an opportunity for peace. indeed we (I include myself and others) have suffered evil in this world and it makes victory in Christ that much sweeter.
Since my calling by God in mercy, there are times when words freely flow from my fingertips and other times I can't find the words to articulate a single thought. I've come to believe that when words escape me, that is God's way of telling me to hold my peace and leave the matter to Him.
That said, my sincere thanks to you, Chris, Dave, Kev and others for your kindness.
RalphNorman wrote: Lurker is a most appropriate name for you! Get off your high horse. I read my wife's comments and there was nothing remotely offensive in them. She said nothing wrong. Four fingers pointing back at you. You bring shame to God and to His redeemed on this comment board by your haughty spirit and pharisee-like words, which I find extremely offensive and obnoxious. I've read your comments and they speak volumes about your heart. No good treasure there. Contrary to what you think, you are no "theologian". Physician heal thyself. Follow your own advice . . "Perhaps some prayer closet time is in order."
Thanks for your comment, Ralph.
It provides the readers of this comment board a glance into the thoughts and intent of your heart.
Christopher000 wrote: Hi June, there is a stark difference between your comment and Dave's, with the difference being the blanket statement made against all of the men on this forum. That wasn't only unfair and offensive, but it was inaccurate.
I was disappointed to see your earlier comment removed. I read it, as well as all of JA's comments before they were removed, and you said nothing wrong. Knowing you, my guess is you requested it to be removed not wanting to offend anyone.
That said, JA needs to search her heart to make sure she is actually following God's lead or if she is out in front expecting God to follow her. I've said before that I respect her calling but she fails to recognize that the body of Christ has many members each with their own calling.
Personally, I could speak out against the RCC child molestation since I was molested by a Pentecostal itinerant preacher as a young adolescent but that is not what God called me to do. I answer to God, not JA.
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JA, you brought shame to God and to His redeemed on the comment board. Perhaps some prayer closet time is in order.
Kev wrote: You want to know why I believe it's called mystery Babylon. It's because for the Jews to be returned to the land of their fathers this must happen:
As you continue to grow in Christian maturity and interact with other Christians, you'll find that tradition holds powerful sway. Don't let that discourage you.
Add this thought to your studies:
Biblically speaking, a whore, harlot and the queen of heaven, all of which is attributed to Mystery Babylon, was at one time married to God...... at one time a faithful wife. I can't think of anyone in their right mind who could possible believe the magisterium of the RCC was EVER married to God...... especially those who spend all their time arguing AGAINST the RCC. The very though is an insult to God.
But when it comes to 500 year old traditions...... I don't bother arguing.
John UK wrote: No problem bro. Here is a great little scripture filled article on the subject In Adam v In Christ. See what you think. http://www.perfectingofthesaints.com/in-adam-vs-in-christ/
I usually don't waste time reading such but I did since you asked and it was short.
Scripture filled.... yes. But really John, we all know most anyone can string together proof-texts to justify a pre-conceived outcome.
No problem that our souls have been quickened unto life, are 'In Christ' and will never die again. But our mortal bodies? Christ died once in the flesh to never die again. Yet your and my mortal bodies will die one day because????????? they are yet 'In Adam'.
1 Cor 15:52 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
"shall all be made alive" is future tense, John. At the resurrection which is the subject of the chapter.
John UK wrote: Hi Lurker, I'm not sure about that, brother. 2 Corinthians 5:17 (17) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. Are you saying that the soul is a new creature "in Christ"?
Didn't God promise a new heart of flesh?
Ezek 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
But there is no promise of a new body until the resurrection.
Phl 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
1 Cor 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
John UK wrote: Sister B Colossians 1:12 (12) Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Once again, I must say that it is already done. God "hath made us meet". My point is that at the moment of justification, we are declared just (and therefore meet) and are ready for heaven, even if we should die just a moment later (as per the dying thief on the cross).
"Once again, I must say that it is already done. God "hath made us meet"."
Not presuming to butt in but you are overlooking our mortal corruptible bodies which, being in Adam, must die and be resurrected on the last day to incorruption and immortality....... glorified. What you quoted above speaks of our souls into which has been imputed the mind of Christ. Indeed, our souls are "In Christ", and He in us, from the moment of regeneration (justification) but our mortal bodies remain "In Adam" and that is the subject of our daily, lifelong mortification because as Paul confirms; In our flesh dwells no good thing and we are tasked with the need to die in the flesh daily as did Paul.
James Thomas wrote: Perhaps this verse can assist what has already been presented by Bro. Lurker on the topic. 1 Th 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth,*** the word of God***, which ***effectually worketh*** also in you that believe.
Yes, I believe that ties in nicely.
The Word..... Logos.... In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word is God. God is Love.... Love fulfills all the law..... Love effectually working in us unto obedience to do those things pleasing to God.
Amen and good night all.
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MS, That is strange. Must have been an SA staffer.
just a nobody wrote: Is it possible you have been reading my statements through a lens that biased you against them? Because you just stated clearly what I have been saying all along.
Possible I suppose but certainly not intentional. If any biased lens, it was your comment to sister BMc when you tied obedience to works of the law. No one has ever asserted that and it was unfair of you to continue with that train of thought with sister BMc. I'm pretty sure she agrees with the result of our discussion. And for the record, my position on the matter has not changed, although maybe not thoroughly explained until the end.
But praise God we finally found common ground. Much more God honoring than contention.
I've gone way over my comment allotment so be blessed and good night.
just a nobody wrote: Lurker, I will ask you one more question and I am done. I have never denied that there are commands for a believer or that faith works itself out in obedience. But I am curious. Can you really not see the distinction I am making?
I see it but I just can't agree with it. Obedience to do the things pleasing to God is only possible by means of the gift of God's grace working righteousness in us. The grace of God, the faith and love in and of His Son Jesus Christ, is the means of our obedience. See Paul's testimony I quoted from 1 Tim 1:12-14. The grace of God is what transformed Saul of Tarsus to Paul the faithful/obedient gospel preacher.
just a nobody wrote: 1) If obedience is not obeying a law I do not know what it is.
2) If "Faith works by obedience" then it is my obedience that is primary not his grace working in me...
1) The only infallible way to define obey/obedience is with the bible. "Obey the gospel", "Obey the truth", "obedience unto righteousness"..... and many more. Do the searches like I and others have done. The HS is willing and able to teach if you are willing to search what He inspired.
2) No. A faulty conclusion based on a faulty assumption. Indeed scripture states "faith works by love". No one has denied that. But that truth does not stand in opposition to "faith works by obedience" when obedience is understood as scripture defines it.
Blood bought Christians are not obedient of our own ability or merit but rather because we have been enabled (1 Tim 1:12) to be obedient by the grace of God:
1 Tim 1:12-14 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath **enabled me**, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. **And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.**