Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me . . . Psalm 51
Why don't the Jews teach OS? Because this verse is not teaching OS. David's mother is the object of the statement and the sinner, not David. This is a figurative prayer of repentance, not an excuse.
If original sin is true, the child is born into darkness. But . . . That was the true light that LIGHTETH EVERY MAN that cometh into the world. John 1:9. For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb. I will praise thee: for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Psalm 139.
You are born innocent with a moral conscience. Sin conceives in the human soul here: James 1: 14. You are not born reprobate, you become reprobate through a progression of evil here: Romans 1. This leads into the slavery and bondage of sin here: Romans 7. But you were alive once (born innocent) v 9, and set free here John 8: 34.
Sin is transgression of the law. 1 John 3:4. A baby has not transgressed the law and cannot be a sinner, so original sin is a provable lie. Original sin turns man into a victim. Original sin is Roman Catholic dogma and the most BLASPHEMOUS LIE IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND, and that is why society is pagan and why this ultimate doctrine of devils must end. Now
If you want divine protection during the coming hour of persecution, it's time to abandon the doctrines of demons you've all been teaching for the last 500 years and return to your apostolic roots.
Man is not born in sin. There is no such thing as a sin nature, you are entirely accountable for your own transgressions and you have full ability to depart from your sins in repentance. Past sins cannot be atoned for other than the blood of Christ, which is the free gift, but is entirely conditional on you forsaking your sins, for justification comes by works and not by faith only (James 2:24). Discard your menagerie of Pharisaical fallacies, abdicating all responsibility for man to do anything to inherit eternal life and exonerate him from blame: Original Sin, Eternal Security, not of works, Calvinism, Arminianism and the rest.
The gospel of Jesus Christ has not changed, despite what men have done to it: Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in and shall not be able (Luke 13:24).
The Westminster Confession is a Satanic document and should be burned. Original Sin is Roman Catholic dogma spawned in ancient Rome, and that is what you teach. There was no Reformation. All roads lead to Rome. There is no pre-tribulation rapture
Passerby wrote: This is a time for tears and crying unceasingly because the name of the Lord is being dishonored. But for this Sabbath Day If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: (Isaiah 58:13). Speak "THUS SAITH THE LORD."consider this scripture:
Go to Contendingfortruth.com and type into the search: Sabbath Listen to part 2 for a comprehensive debunking of the ridiculous idea we are under obligation to keep the Sabbath.
Or you can say bye-bye to hot Sunday dinners for the rest of your life, if you have a gas cooker:
Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations on the Sabbath day (Ex 35:3).
Jim Lincoln wrote: By the way, people have to become Christians before they can repent
Nope, you have to repent before you can become a Christian, since the Holy Spirit cannot and will not indwell a defiled vessel. That's what's wrong with the modern gospel, you supposedly get saved in your sins, told you get cleaned up later on down the road, the accumulative effect of which false message shuts off your conscience and you become seared with a hot iron and you heap up teachers to yourselves. That's why the "Church" is full of reprobates who think they can sin all they want and still enter the Kingdom.
Born in sin, saved in sin, die in sin, exchanging the truth of God for a lie, just like Obama. Satan's goal is to turn everything on its head. If you are born in sin, defective, then you are the victim and God is the tyrant for punishing you when it's not your fault. In reality you are not born in sin and are entirely responsible for your actions and the judgement of God is fair.
The false gospel of original sin has no teeth: everything a sinner hears about sin and repentance and judgement is filtered out through the error of Total Depravity. You can't face your sin for what it really is because IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT!
ghj wrote: "Many have considered Tchividjian (pronounced cha-vi-jin) a rising star in evangelicalism, especially in Reformed circles" Obviously the words evangelical and reformed have lost their true meanings. Being part of the Arminian Graham tribe he will have too much power and influence in the flesh.
Arminianism certainly is heresy, but it's peanuts compared to the monster Calvinism. The lying doctrine of the sin nature has put more souls in hell than anything else in the history of mankind. You've only got to ask them why they remain in bondage to their sins, and they tell you "I can't help it, it's the sin nature." You tell people they are totally depraved for long enough and they will eventually believe it, and behave accordingly. It's gnostic, pagan, Greek philosophy, and if you believe it, you have to conclude that Moses and all the prophets and the Apostles and their disciples and the early Fathers (we have their testimony) were all false teachers until Augustine showed up in the 4th Century to set everything straight, a man with known connections to gnostic cults. This is not rocket science. There is no Jewish heritage for the false doctrine of Original Sin. None. There are no rabbis who teach it today. It's pagan.
The biggest cult on the face of the earth is professed Christianity, and it delights to mock the lesser cults, like Mormonism, which actually has it half right, inasmuch as they understand man must produce fruit worthy of repentance in order to enter the Kingdom, and what's more he has the natural ability to do so. The cult of professed Christianity has got the fine art of Pharisee deception perfected, to keep as many people as possible out of the Kingdom. They've twisted the nature of sin, stripped man of any responsibility for his actions and made it virtually impossible for the Holy Spirit to convict anybody. This is the gnostic and Roman Catholic dogma of Original Sin. They've rendered the need to resist temptation meaningless with the Eternal Security heresy. They've destroyed man's part in the equation, in that he must actually DO something to be worthy to inherit eternal life. Not of Works, Faith Alone, blah, blah, blah. On and on it goes. They trust in the multitude of their mighty men, like Augustine, Luther and Calvin and the rest, all of whom are rotting in hell right now. Nobody will listen, but you cannot pull the wool over God's eyes, and it will be too late to cry foul at the judgement. See the channel holdingfirmly on youtube for more details.
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, truce breakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God (2 Tim 3).
But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; how that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts (Jude v 17,18)
Well, here we are, on the brink. Incidentally, the idea that any of this is not entirely Cyrus' own doing but a result of some pagan/gnostic idea of a sin nature, is as much of an abomination in the sight of God as homosexuality itself. Preachers take heed. You have exchanged the truth of God for a lie just the same. Yetzer Tov, Yetzer Ra as the Jews rightly taught and still teach for 2000 years until cult-man Augustine showed up and turned Christianity into the colossal joke that it is today.
John Yurich USA wrote: So I am saved according to the Bible because the Bible states that salvation comes by putting ones trust entirely in Jesus alone for salvation.
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we trust in him alone for salvation (1 John 2:3)
The above statement is a lie. Here's what scripture actually declares: And hereby do we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
The lawless doctrines of men and devils have produced a reprobated generation of clueless, hellbound people who are absolutely convinced they can participate in every imaginable wickedness and still go to heaven, because the have been told ... THEY ONLY HAVE TO TRUST IN JESUS ALONE FOR SALVATION! I know because I've spoken to them and they are unreachable. If anyone out there is not yet seared beyond hope of redemption please visit the channel holdingfirmly on youtube before it is too late. God help us.
Trusting in Jesus Christ alone for salvation is not the gospel of Jesus Christ. Only a simple-minded fool could believe that. That is the false gospel heretic Luther invented in the 16th Century to give the gullible hope of salvation while they continue in sin. Here's the real gospel of Jesus Christ. Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: for every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Mattew 3.
Go to youtube channel holdingfirmly for a love of the truth Bible study series, in the which you will find a full expose of all the myths fallacies and error taught as "doctrine" these days.
For the time is here now when they will not endure sound doctrine (2 Timothy 4).
You all condemn homosexuality because they exchange the truth of God for a lie. True, they have. But you all do the exact same thing. It's called hypocrisy. Everything you teach is the exact opposite of scripture. You say man is born in sin and totally depraved, blah, blah, blah, when in reality he is born innocent and with a MORAL CONSCIENCE (John 1:9, Rom 1:19, Eccl 7:29, Deut 1:39, Luke 18:16). He becomes wicked through a progression of evil (James 1:14,15). How can man repent of a nature he is born with? It just gives him an excuse: sin is a calamity he is born with and not rebellion. All Satan's doctrines do this: they give you an excuse and absolve you of responsibility, provide an alternative to obedience and take away your ability to forsake your sins in repentance. Beware the Leaven of the Pharisees and the Sadducees, Jesus said, and he was right. It leavens the whole lump. And it has. I ask people why they think they can fornicate, be homosexuals etc and still enter the kingdom. They simply list all the false doctrines you teach. That's their excuse: original sin, Eternal Security, Imputed Righteousness, Total Depravity, Not of works, etc, etc.
Allbright wrote: The reason every Christian knows that man has "no freedom of the Will" - Is because man is under the dominion of sin. Condemnation of man is because he is guilty of sin. Human "freedom" has nothing whatsoever to do with his guilty fallen reprobate existence. Only Jesus makes any difference to that status. That's why HE had to pay the price on the cross for the elect. Man cannot do anything whatsoever to claim atonement because he is permanently under the dominion of sin.
Rubbish, rubbish, rubbish. Man absolutely has free will. The inherited sin idea, that man's nature is somehow corrupt at birth is a gnostic fallacy. Look up it up. No one taught this garbage until spawn of Satan Augustine arrived with his pagan ideas, which he devised to justify his own addiction to sin. Reformed Theology is just Pharisee-leaven repackaged for an alternative to obedience: it's junk theology and Roman Catholic dogma, twisting the scriptures to negate repentance and faith proven by deeds. You won't hide behind Augustine, Calvin or Luther's coat tails at the judgment. God will judge each according to their deeds, regardless of what they believe.
SteveR wrote: Agree edit: I noticed one of those attacking the WCF claimed infant baptism was in question. Infant Baptism was well established in the Reformed Churches prior to the WCF, the only disagreements were in the mechanics and if private baptisms were acceptable. It seems the enemies of the WCF only have lies and deception as their tools
CAB wrote: Moving this discussion to one of the proper threads.. You are the one heterodox, teaching Limited Penal Bloodless Atonement here for how many years? Now claiming to champion blood atonement, but still claiming it's penal, when it's not, and you've not even tried to defend it as penal. I have laid out my position clear as a bell on the 5 points of Calvinism, and so far you and I have only talked about the third point, your no-double-jeopardy bloodless penal atonement, the 3rd point of the TULIP. Anyone can go back and read my posts and see clearly where I'm coming from. I'm not trying to be subtle about my position at all. I've spoken clearly on all 5 points, and nobody has challenged me on any of what I've said. Why? Because my position is totally Biblical and irrefutable. For this I am hated and challenged by dirty tricks, name-calling, blowing smoke, and such other things. Yes, I do think you are some kind of paid agent on this board, and I have my reasons for thinking that, as you well know. Teen Christian, this is the proper thread to discuss doctrine, not the Pat Robertson thread.
Your false views have been answered time and again. You just can't acknowledge it.