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John Yurich USA wrote: I didn't state all Catholics read the Bible and are familiar with the books of the Bible.
John Yurich; Obviously you are perceiving the unScriptural nature of the Roman Catholic religion as your statement alludes. Also you have posted many times how you do not involve yourself with the unBiblical idolatrous and blasphemous practices of the mass etc. Observing the many unChristian rites and practices of the popish organisation - why then do you provide it with credence by attending and proclaiming your attendance in these posts and other comment sites?
This is false witness to the (gullible) people whom you join with in the pews. And this is implying religious credibility to an idolatrous heretical thus sinful organisation.
You are working against the Lord.
Remember the warning of the Lord; 2Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
John Yurich USA wrote: You have the audacity to imply that I don't believe that the Bible is the Word of God, that I don't read the Bible and that the Catholic Church does not use the Bible during the Mass? Well I have always believed that the Bible is the Word of God, I was taught by my parents growing up to read the Bible and the Catholic Church has always used the Bible during the Mass for Bible readings. I know the Bible so well that I can go to any book in the Bible within a matter of seconds.
If the Roman Catholics can "read" the Bible, then why do they practice idolatry heresy and blasphemy?
Their lack of faith proves them to be less than Christian. Their witness is discard the Bible and do the opposite.
Frank wrote: De 22:28 changes the word from being forced to being laid hold of, which could also be a form of manipulation? So was this a forcible rape? Now the text also "doesnâ€™t say that the issue of the resulting marriage was a punishment for the woman", but the man. But my guess is the woman might not have had a choice, but her parents could have withheld consent. Remember it is likely no one would have ever married this woman because she was now not a virgin.
Thank you Frank. Interesting points. It is certainly a controversial verse.
"and lay hold" H8610 תּפשׂ tâphaś taw-fas' A primitive root; to manipulate, that is, seize; chiefly to capture, wield; specifically to overlay; figuratively to use unwarrantably: - catch, handle, (lay, take) hold (on, over), stop, X surely, surprise, take.
Does sound as though the man took the "forceful initiative" on the act. I think it is logical to assume the man was receiving a "punishment" for the act, note the "find a damsel" - and "they be found" - it was definitely an illicit act. And v29 "he hath humbled her" - his fault.
John Yurich USA wrote: Suppose the woman is not insane and does not want to marry her rapist? Only an insane woman would marry her rapist. The woman could have the baby and then give the baby up for adoption to be raised by a married couple.
Better take that up with God JY. The quote used from Deuteronomy is from a book called the Bible. This is a book written by God. Ever use it in the antichrists club you attend??
Matt 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. 29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,... 21 .... that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Deut 22:28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; 29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
So the child not only lives but is provided with a family.