How about this; the entire hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church, claiming solidarity with their subordinates, getting on their knees before God and the world, and saying, 'We have sinned before you, and against The God of heaven. Have mercy, but do what you will.' Repent, pay the money, confess to God, and turn to Him through Jesus Christ. I'm for that.
Shows how much I know. I thought they were talking about that sharp looking, plexiglas doodad, that he used to ride around in, for fear of getting shot. I thought, 'hey, if I ever get to be a global figure, that somebody might just want to take a crack at'...
I knew that I knew what I was talking about. Oh, sorry, Expositor. I was just giving myself a light pat on the back; you know, about 'the struggle not with us', and the 'you know what I mean', posts. That's what I mean, 'prepare the creationist'. To a large extent, we just listen and follow. I've been doing a lot of meditation on these passages in the 'creation saga', lately, in connection with what the Scripture tells us concerning God and eternity, over against creation and time. A lot of believers going into battle unarmed, you are right. Anyway, I have seen and heard the name of Hugh Ross. I might just have to pick him up. Thanks.
Expositor, Lamentably, I must agree with your first charge. When I first stumbled onto this site, I thought that it was closer to 'Attila the Hun's Annual Beer Bust and Punchout', than a Christian Forum. But the bellicose ones need to be brought back or set aside, not engaged. For me to respond in like manner, excusing myself with, 'but that person'... (fill in the blank), is far from my duty to fellow believers. To the second issue; I do believe I could present a Biblical case against chattel slavery, but 'service' is obviously an entirely different thing. Despite the complex appearance of this issue, I believe, 'In Christ', it is easily sorted out. Amazingly, the absolutes of our God, effortlessly dissolve ethereal complications. I must also agree that, many are those things that the Christian greedily absorbs as benign, are not so. Do not, I pray, breath fire with an exiting post, but rejoin, with warmth.
Neither have I meant you any harm, Shocker. The question in my post is to ascertain what limits you put on the authority of Scripture, in order to intelligently appraise your input. For me to proclaim anything on grounds that are not common to both of us, invalidates argument. As to the 'childishness in goading and testing', (if you will receive it) I believe that the Scripture speaks to this. An admonition spoken in love.
Frustration, frustration, frustration; I can spell that word, I know I can.
Ahem! Although I must say, I was unaware that labeling a person, 'a Papist', and persons as 'those unable to think coherently and logically', could be taken any other way, (I say this with a smile) thank you for returning, Expositor. I am in full agreement with you, in your premise. In fact, I'm sure we will, when the appropriate issue presents itself, amiably discuss creation and evolution, (Note: not creation vs. evolution) in more than the traditional detail. I am alarmed that we have learned nothing from the Copernican Revolution. I went over your posts again, and would beg your leave to end on this note: The subjectivity of my responses, depends entirely on the depth of the literalness of yours. Until next time, you pursue a difficult task, my friend. I'm sure you know what I mean.
For my part, Theresa, I can never understand why the media, in any of it's myriad forms, tries to meddle with this subject. I have not seen, ever, the conclusion arrived at, that,'The God of the Bible; He is Lord'; nor in any of the 'quests for historical Jesus'; 'We have determined that this Jesus, is the Son of the Living God.'
And the God of the Bible, is the only God that they are referencing. No other God, of any other belief, is taken seriously enough to earnestly search out, except out of curiosity. Could you imagine the shockwave, if the conclusions that I enumerated above, were reached by any form of media?
Expositor, My goal is to understand where you are going with this. Your assertions concerning the capacities of even the newborn, and the humanness of the 'entity' still within the womb, are not disagreeable, individually. But they are incongruous in order to your conclusion. Although I believe it is a life in the womb, and have no desire to call down upon myself, the ire of my fellows, by way of misunderstanding; even if I defer to your 'nerve endings and electronic impulses only, in the womb', mindset; for my part, I still would not (according to my post) take it upon myself to terminate that 'process', knowing what the end will be, if allowed to continue. I, for one, have no desire to have a brother depart in anger or frustation. This is a Christian forum.
I do pray, Expositor, that my inability to think coherently and logically, is only apparent. I believe, sir, that we are all brain disabled, only at that point of this discussion where you seem to assert that it is location only that is the determination of life. I think none of us are in disagreement with the human factor. But you must understand that, hurtling insults will not clear the fog from our minds. Personally, I believe that nothing biblical has been adduced to your cause, other than the obvious; that a human being, standing in front of me, has had God imparted life given to it. That's only the positive side of your argument. Might we see biblical evidence to the negative side? Our incapacity should palliate our apparent folly.
Yes, but you know as well as I do, Seaton; there is no regard for the commandment. As I read of these blatant shows of disregard for all of the commandments of God, and more particularly, the results of them, I am astounded at the plan of God, and it's interwovenness, if you will, into what we see as secular history. The sheer magnitude is amazing. Darkness, separation, confusion; all of the terms used in the Word to describe the consequences of turning from Him, cease to be flowery, biblical statements, when we see the reality of them.
Faithful Remnant, Oooh, Apostles. That's a pretty heavy title to arrogate to oneself. Well, whatever the prophetic messages, if they don't line up with the Word, 'Be at peace, and go your way'; if they do, 'Right on, brother'. Perhaps, just for the knowledge, I may have to do the research. What you've given me is a start. Thanks.
Expositor...Brother, 'It is hard for you to kick against the goads.' I perceive a struggle, that is not with us. When I see the Scripture saying, 'and she conceived and bore a child'; I must believe that the child she will give birth to, is the product of her conception. In different words, you have said that, whatever the circumstance of her pregnancy, she could not be on the way to the bearing of that issue, except the Lord purpose it. Having seen, in the womb, whatever you deign to call it, struggling for it's life against the instrument inserted there for taking it, I would never assume to myself the right, knowledge, or the presumption to destroy it. Nor would I even consider destroying that which, for aught I know, may be the last sheep that the Lord will bring into the fold, before He ushers in the kingdom. I (and I'm sure, we) understand the biological, and therefore, inchoate stages of life as we can see it; but, why do you insist on beginning with this penultimate step? As for me, I fear even the possibility of such an error. I would not give cause for offense. I say this in the deepest humility.
This is essentially the same point that you tried to make back on 04/03/07, Expositor. I must ask the same question that I asked then. What if the two opposing positions(cellular vs. God imparted) are coincident?
Faithful Remnant, Good to hear from you. In the dim recesses, somewhere, I think I may have heard that name, or seen a sign, or something other, but I have never dealt with them. Can you give me a succinct account? I should keep up with these folks (the cults and such). There's just so many of them, these days. It's like the sorcerer's broom. I don't 'chance' into many cult members any more; so if they don't bang on my door...
Each with your own several individual, and amiable qualities.
Three of my favorite folks.
After I found out that no one was hurt, I couldn't stop laughing. You want to do what? After all you can do, it will still be penultimate. You cannot see the invisible hand that moves it all, unless it is given to you to see. Sometimes, I would like to say, 'You guys gather up all the information in the universe; then give it to us, and we'll take it from here.'
Well said, Bravo. Bravo! I understand your perplexity. I believe that the cause for it lies in the sad truth that, for many, the sin looms larger than the repentance. I believe it is our 'natural' tendency toward self-righteousness. We are more like Jonah; indignant that the Lord would save someone that we disapprove of. Continue to post, please. You have an engaging artlessness (in the ethically good sense).
Norman, I owe you an apology and an explanation, regarding my last post. I'm sure you will understand when we communicate via email. I'm also sure, that with your gracious spirit, you will wave it all away.