more realism wrote: No! No! LSF God will take care of this at the end, quote; - Matt 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. The "tares" are of course the idolaters who will not inherit the Kingdom of God, (Gal 5) - Just like you Roman Catholics worship idolatry, relics, dead bodies and all that silly junk!!! OK LSF
Saul, a leading Pharisee, held the robes of those who stoned Stephen to death. Now, Stephen was a Christian -- a good guy. Later, Saul was converted to Christianity and his name was changed to St. Paul.
Since these 6 Roman Catholic U.S. Supreme Court justices are worse than Pharisees, in the spirit of St. Paul, why wouldn't you stone them to death to prevent their evil religion (e.g., anti-abortion, anti-abortifacients, anti-IVF, anti-embryonic stem cell research, anti-human cloning, pro-biblical marriage, pro-biblical family, pro-children, etc.) from being promulgated via the law across the land?
If every single Roman Catholic since the Advent of Jesus is unelect, ignorant and damned, perhaps all billion of us (including 6 U.S. Supreme Court justices) are (according to you) totally incapable of comprehending you.
Nevertheless, can you try to help us understand your point?
Mike wrote: Was Innocent VIII excluded from this command?
Innocent VIII is "generally regarded as unworthy and of low private morals, he left the Papal States in anarchy."
He was certainly not the best pope. Did he "love even his enemies"? Perhaps not, since his actions left the Papal States in disarray and left Rome with lower moral standards just before Luther entered the world stage.
Michael Hranek wrote: LSF I have to think for some sincere Roman Catholic people it will be one of the hardest things they have ever done in their lives to come to the place where they honestly and humbly admit before God, themselves and men on this earth, that (quote) church, their religious institution is utterly false, that it has not told men the saving Truth of Christ and hated that truth to the point of putting even its own priests who discovered it in the Bible to death to keep its power over men. To repent of their sins of unbelief, idolatry, etc. etc. part company with Rome and believe on Jesus Christ as He really is to save them. You will find some of the price men and women paid (and that too small a price) at the hands of your church and others in Foxe's Book of Martyrs I hope God uses it to be a blessing to you.
Foxe lacks the objectivity of a scholar as he included this (and similar notes):
"Mark the apish pageants of these popelings."
Who can take him seriously when he violates Christ's command to "love even our enemies"?
Michael Hranek wrote: LSF Fear? No (quote) go to denomination? Seriously about 100 years before Luther (whom I sort of like, not entirely as I am a Baptist) didn't you all Catholics burn John Huss at the stake, maybe that might have been on Luther's mind AND STILL it was more importatnt to break ties with Catholic lies for the sake of the Truth he was discovering was right there in the Bible the RCC didn't want us common people reading for ourselves, than to save his own trembling hide. Now there might indeed have been some (qoute) go to denominations [Donatists, Paulicians, Petrorussians, Albigensians, Waldensians, Anabaptist, Lollards for example] for Luther if you all hadn't slaughtered them to where they were indeed just a remnant of genuine New Testament believers here and there that the Lord had kept for Himself.
Why didn't Luther join one of the following denominations instead of creating another autonomous (that is, not "one Church" as Jesus said there would be) denomination: Donatists, Paulicians, Petrorussians, Albigensians, Waldensians, Anabaptist, Lollards?
However, both clergy and members can leave and even use hairdryers to "unbaptize" themselves. When they do they are self-excommunicating, that is, cutting themselves off from the mercy of Christ.
Adam and Eve tried to cut themselves off from the Lord by hiding from Him after they ate the forbidden fruit.
When Luther and his colleagues cut themselves off from the Church, this created an awesome fear in each of them because, at the time, there was no go-to denomination. Today, when a priest or parishioner leave, he's got plenty of denominations, each telling himself what his itching ears want to hear.
How would the Roman Catholic Church -- a volunteer organization -- exercise "total authority" over its membership and clergy?
If a priest doesn't like it, he can resign, rip out 7 books from the Bible and start his own Protestant church as many have done. No biggie, right?
Also, if a member doesn't like it, he can walk across the street, sign a card and become a member of your Presbyterian church.
Sounds like total religious freedom, doesn't it?
All signs point to a global economic organization needed to guide the world's economy. Reformed Presbyterians should find a seat at the UN-level economic summits to ensure that their voices, too, are heard.
"[This Vatican document] said, the primary cause of the current global crisis has been "an economic liberalism that spurns rules and controls" and that relies solely on the laws of the market."
Remember playing Monopoly when you were young? This game is aptly named for the natural consequence of unchecked Capitalism. Power wielded by the few over the many -- a monopoly -- arises in every industry including the banking sector. What "rules and controls" details will the Vatican propose remains to be seen. This process would be difficult since the golden rule is universal: he who has the gold makes the rules.
Hopefully other Christians, including Reformed Baptists, will be at the table to discuss their biblical global economic perspectives.
"[The Vatican] condemned what it called â€śthe idolatry of the marketâ€ť as well as a â€śneo-liberal thinkingâ€ť that it said looked exclusively at technical solutions to economic problems. â€śIn fact, the crisis has revealed behaviours like selfishness, collective greed and hoarding of goods on a great scale...â€ť
Perhaps the Vatican is willing to admit what many global leaders aren't: The current worldwide economy is unstable in all its ways, putting the little guy in harm's way, thus the Pope is recommending a fundamental restructuring.