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SteveR wrote: I will go further than that, I will say self described kristans here that deny there are Saints in the RCC are themselves in danger of damnation. They are the same as the Catholics that persecuted Protestants 400 years ago, you are just too impotent to act on your wickedness. 1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? Remember this board is surrounded by a host of witnesses in heaven, many of those witnesses the Lord in his wisdom had attend the RCC. Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,