It would perturb me if God reinstated the Confederacy and slavery. Ex sinners having been forgiven won't bother me, because that will be everyone who is there but Jesus. Though I find it hard to believe those men in charge of a rebellion against decency would be saved. Did they not have the Holy Spirit?! I do think the Civil War was about the wealthy who owned slaves because very few people actually owned other people. Even Southerners had the sense to know slavery was wrong and a lot of the ones who would have liked slaves couldn't afford them.
To say one state had the moral high ground on an issue doesn't make it perfect. We can agree on one thing then, that the Confederacy was as filthy rags to God and is long gone. So why in the world would a Christian support it's use by the state?
I know the United States isn't perfect, but it's the country God has placed me in and I can appreciate it's founding principles unlike the Confederacy's. The Union had the moral high ground because it wasn't trying to divide the country that God brought together and they wanted to put a stop to slavery. Ew, how immoral! Just because it was hard to do and many people died, and the Union prisoners were treated horribly by the Confederates, doesn't mean God didn't support the United States. When laws are made to support abortion, people that respect the Constitution understand that the laws are unconstitutional. When the Conderate States practiced slavery and rebellion, it was endorsed by their "government".
Mike... I wonder if Joshua complained this much about Egypt or Daniel about Babylon? It seems to me they were thankful for where God placed them. Even though those nations were not perfect. You seem sad because slavery no longer exists and try to point out all of the flaws of your own country in order to equivicate. There is no going back to those days, let it go and be glad for what you have today.
The Constitution makes it clear that Congress must vote on territory that belongs to the U.S. The new States that were made were the Confederate States. Anyways, do any of you really believe that it was a commendable thing to leave the union over the right to own another person? Not only that, but the slaves weren't even considered human enough to vote! That's the side you are tying your horses to? Lol. When God judges the nations, how do you thing the Confederacy will fair? Does anybody really believe it will rise again? Israel lasted and has lasted a whole lot longer. The Confederacy couldn't even squeeze out a decade of exhistance. What "country" has ever lasted that short of time?
Yes. Article 4 Section 3 days: New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress. The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.
No idols... So in your mind, the United States became destructive for wanting slavery abolished? I thought Jesus came to ease the yolk of bondage and to set the sinner free. Jesus doesn't like divorce either! Let's not forget who's side God was on. If God wanted the Confederacy to last, I'm sure it would have done so. Four or five years for a nation is no time at all. God must not have thought to highly of her.
Mike... The Union was voluntary to join, not leave. So why did the southern states revolt? Over slavery. Is that a good thing to you? Seems like it! Imagine they succeeded to rebel and then what? The next time a state didn't like something, it would have left the Confederacy and so on and so on until there would have been all kinds of wars started over territory and transporting of goods. Lincoln was right, a nation divided against itself could not stand. So let the past be the past and give up the Confederate flag along with all of the evil it represented.
I don't believe Donald Trump is a Christian. However, I was reading an article that said he once belonged to the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) and now attends a Reformed Church of America sometimes when he can and always on Christmas and Easter.
No Idols... The United States is free, sovereign, and independent state from other countries. That doesn't mean the United States can take it upon themselves to leave without a vote. Which was never done in the case of the Confederacy.
I've heard the argument before that the Emancipation Proclamation didn't free all of the slaves. Yet somehow all of the slaves became free shortly thereafter. Before the proclamation, the state of South Carolina understood President Lincoln's view of slavery and what his election as President meant for their "right" to own other people. As I already pointed out in the state's own words. SC further stated in it's declaration against the United States:
they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.
Why SC declared war on the U.S. in their own words:
A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.
This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety.
On the 4th day of March next, this party will take possession of the Government. It has announced that the South shall be excluded from the common territory, that the judicial tribunals shall be made sectional, and that a war must be waged against slavery until it shall cease throughout the United States.
I think the article inaccurately portrays pre-millennials. Even though they believe the world is getting worse, they are still involved in spreading the gospel, helping the needy, discipling, and teaching the truth, etc. If anything, they seem to be more engaged in those things than others, but they certainly aren't hiding in caves waiting for Christ return! Lol. To say so just seems like a fleshy way of trying to win an argument against pre-millennialism.
Jim... I started watching "Glory", thanks for the suggestion.
Some people are acting hysterical over an enemy flag being taken down in SC. It's not like it is being outlawed people! I know, I know, those were the days when you could rebel against your God ordained country and enslave mankind! Hick hick.
If "Reverend" Lynn was really worried about the separation of church and state, he would be outraged the state got involved in the religious matter of marriage! Homosexuals can have a civil union with the same rights as married people. So this isn't about rights, it's about hating Christians and God's Word.
After reading the article, I get the sense it is primarily about promoting homosexuality with some other sensual sins possibly thrown in. It is the old lie that God is love, therefore as long as I claim I'm in love, I can commit homosexuality and be okay in God's eyes. If the Bible isn't really God's word than as long as one acts polite, they can pretty much do whatever they want. Christians are told they have no bases for pronouncing something sin because men wrote the Bible with their prejudices included. It isn't totally inspired and love should guide us as to what is true. I for one believe God has kept His word true and sin is still sin.