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A lot of people have been saying this would be the next thing to gain acceptance. This and then incest. Really, some Mormons and immigrants have been in polygamist marriages for awhile but it hasn't been government sanctioned.
Michael Hranek... The CBF issue is not a political issue as much as a Christian issue to me. I'm not going to worry if one party or the other agreed or disagrees with it. What is the right thing to do? I know racism, slavery, and rebellion against our country are all wrong.
Mike... I will check into the capitalization because at the website I looked at "Union" and "United States" are capitalized. Also, Article IV Section 3 still says no new state can be formed within other states without the approval of Congress. Congress obviously didn't approve and neither did God.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
I'd say the Confederacy levying war against the Union was treasonous!
Art IV Sect 3
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress. The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.
Only the Congress is allowed to make laws respecting the territory belonging to the United States. A rouge Confederacy isn't allowed to take U.S. territory.
And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
God made the United States, they didn't have His permission to try and leave it.
jer.18.7-8.kjv At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
Had the Confederacy turned from it's sin, God may not have destroyed it.
It's good that somebody says something about the pseudo science theory of evolution. How will it lead people to Christ? Revealing the biblical account of creation may lead people to understand there is a God who created us, out of love for us, and that we aren't just evolved animals. We are accountable to the Creator and need Jesus to save us from our sons.
Mike... If standing up for righteousness includes a stance for biblical marriage on top of telling voters abortion should be outlawed, we must wage war against ISIS and that people should lose their healthcare, along with denying global warming and not teaching evolution as fact...forget it! I would be gladly shocked if someone like that won. I doubt they would though.
Pennnelope... There was the U.S. Constitution, Declaration of Independance, and Bill of Rights on the Union side. Not to shabby!
I think you are kidding yourself if you think there wasn't or wouldn't be homosexuals if the Confederacy won the war. There would still be sinners corrupting the government on top of the problem of slavery.
Other... 1) and 2) What were these two men to do with the slaves they inherited at young ages? Of they were releasedwould they not be enslaved again or have been able to provide for themselves? That is why Jefferson believed in gradual emancipation. 3) Do you mean the United States ended slavery by force? They originally were trying to end it through the law, but the Confederate states would have none of that! 4) Whatever your view of America back then, the U.S. was formed and that by the hand of God. Nobody in your camp has yet to come up with a rational reason to memorialize and pay honor to the old Confederacy which God speedily destroyed. They didn't have the U.S. Constitution or the Bill of Rights. The only thing they were good for was to perpetuate slavery! If the U.S. had stayed part of the colonies, we would have no religious freedom, no representation, and probably rotten teeth.
other wrote: 1) So would you support tearing down the Jefferson (slave owner) memorials /statues/etc & banning his image? 2) Why not rename WashingtonDC& State of Washington to expunge this slaveowner's legacy? 3) Do you support removing all 13 slaveowning state stripes from any flag? 4) If the founders hadn't rebelled they'd have been part of (in 1834) The British Slavery Abolition Act abolishing slavery throughout most of the British Empire. But they had 30+ years of legal slavery by their rebellion-a lot more than the 4 yrs you resent from the southern States..
1) No, Jefferson actually tried to pass legislation outlawing slavery! He was opposed to it. 2) Because Wahington's views on slavery changed. He even tried to free his slaves in his will. 3) No because they are still part of the United States and ended slavery. 4) If any country in the world had joined Britian that would have been the case. Are you advocating a one world government? Americans didn't like British oppression and cherished their freedom. That's why they formed their own government. The Confederate States on the other hand rebelled against their country that they belonged to in order to keep enslaving men and women who were created equal and in the image of God.
other from chaise... Many of the founding fathers put up with it, but didn't support it. I don't mind you not memorializing the ones who did support slavery, but make sure to know which were which. It's not like Great Britain was trying to make the Americans stop slavery and America rebelled and decided to form a new country! What gave you the idea that Americans were trying to protect slavery, "Even to the point of rebelling against one's own country of Britian"? Americans during that time were trying to escape oppression unlike the Americans who formed the Confederacy in order to escape their responsibilities. Which was going to be to free the enslaved.
Michael Hranek... I don't endorse slavery whether it is today or 150 years ago! I am against it period. You are right that the Law called for the death penalty for slavery:
And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
So why memorialize the Confederacy, which promoted this very sin? As far as this not being the only issue, nothing is! So why discuss anything because there will always be other issues to address? Let's not worry about the promoting the Confederacy because there is the issue of abortion. Let's not discuss abortion because there is a war going on. Let's not worry about the war because of the economy or the economy because of the anti-biblical marriage crowd.
John for JESUS wrote: It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the presidential election. It seems to almost guarantee a Democrat will win because if a Republican disagrees with homosexuality they will be branded a bigot and if they support it, less people will vote for them. I'd like to believe someone will fight it as it is unconstitutional, but I doubt it will be overturned. Our country isn't to concerned about what God says.
Mike wrote: If someone running for president ignores the personal attacks, and has the backbone to stand for righteousness, they would win in a landslide. We've seen in the last few elections that wussiness loses.
In context to the issue of homosexuality, I took what you wrote to mean if someone had the backbone to stand for biblical marriage that they would win in a landslide. I doubt they would, but if that isn't what you meant then I misunderstood your point.
Michael Hranek... Sorry, I got my Mike's confused. I meant my comment for Mike from NY. He was saying that if one of the presidential candidates spoke out against homosexuality that they would win by a landslide. I have my doubts about that!
6. You're great grandad is a Confederate veteran? How old is he?! I'm pretty sure all Civil War veterans have died by now. Even if he joined the Confederacy as a bugler or drummer at the age of 15 and lived to be a hundred, he would have passed away around 1945. How old are you? Most soldiers were 18 to 45 and he probably didn't live 100 years. I never said you were definitely a racist. Associating with Africans doesn't make one not a racist. I've known Nigerians who don't like black Americans. Couldn't you honor you great grandad any other way? It's not like he died in the war, right? The flag represents institutional slavery. They were called rebels for a reason. What did the Confederacy offer that our Declaration of Independence, Constitution, Bill of Rights don't?