It's like the godless try to come up with worse and worse "marriage" ceromonies. I'm surprised they weren't brothers also! Lol. I read an article recently where a daughter was going to marry her dad. People are idiots, professing themselves to be wise, they have become fools.
Replacement theology was an attempt by people to understand all of the prophecies in the Bible that were yet to be fulfilled dealing with Israel. There no longer was a nation of Israel and smart people were to gifted to believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible, so they rationalized that Israel must be code word for the church. The problem is God brought back Israel into her land just as He said He would. Now that doesn't mean they are saved. They will, in general, accept the antichrist when he is revealed and God will purge them and refine them until all Israel will be saved.
John UK wrote: 1) John, do you see that in the NT there is such a thing as "Israel" which is nothing to do with a country? 2) But you see Israel as, what? 3) A nation? 4) And you are grafted into a nation? 5) So you think God's people are the Jews, and you have to become a Jew to be saved, just like in the OT? 6) What makes you think that the Son of God was Jewish?
2) Exodus 19:5-6 KJV
Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
I see them as a peculiar treasure unto God above all people and a holy nation. Not righteous yet, but set aside for His purposes.
3) They are a people who also were given a land by God. They were still Israel before and after being a nation.
4) I have been grafted into their promises. That includes the New Jerusalem.
5) God's people are Israelites, whether they were Jewish or not. I don't have to be a Jew, though I am perfectly Jewish in Christ.
6) You mean the King of the Jews? I don't know, lol.
John UK... I'm glad to be grafted into the natural, cultivated olive tree of Israel. The only reason I'm saved is because of the Jewish Messiah who abides in me and I have been grafted into them. I am like the woman who just wanted some crumbs from the table, but got so much more.
Deny God's prophetic word all you want, but you still have to deal with the fact that Israel is still a nation now. Whether you agree it was prophecied about or not, God is still the one who created the current state of Israel.
Acts 17:26-27 NKJV
And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
Then He said to me, ‚ÄúSon of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They indeed say, ‚ÄėOur bones are dry, our hope is lost, and we ourselves are cut off!‚Äô Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‚ÄėThus says the Lord God : ‚ÄúBehold, O My people, I will open your graves and cause you to come up from your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. Then you shall know that I am the Lord , when I have opened your graves, O My people, and brought you up from your graves.
The children of Israel said the same thing as you do now. They thought their hope was lost and they were cut off.
God said He would gather them back into the land of Israel and then they would know that He was the Lord.
John UK wrote: John, I think you're reading your Bible upside down.
Revelation 21:14 KJV (14) And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Hence, it is you who has everything upside down. Man, you want to be graffed in to a chosen people whose sacrifices could never take away sin?
I was alluding to Romans 11:22-24 NKJV:
Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree.
I'm glad to be grafted into to them because of what Romans 9:4-5 NKJV says:
..Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.
I got cut short on my last post. I quoted Ezekiel 36:20-27 in order to show you that God wasn't bringing the Israelis back to their land for their sake, as if they were somehow deserving of it. God did it for His name's sake.
Also, look at the order of events. First the people of Israel are brought back to their land (verse 24) and then they are made clean (verse 25). What we see now in our time is verse 24 and what will happen at the end of the Tribulation is verse 25.
When they came to the nations, wherever they went, they profaned My holy name‚ÄĒwhen they said of them, ‚ÄėThese are the people of the Lord , and yet they have gone out of His land.‚Äô But I had concern for My holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations wherever they went. ‚ÄúTherefore say to the house of Israel, ‚ÄėThus says the Lord God : ‚ÄúI do not do this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for My holy name‚Äôs sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went. And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the Lord ,‚ÄĚ says the Lord God , ‚Äúwhen I am hallowed in you before their eyes. For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.
John for JESUS wrote: Genesis 17:4-8 NKJV ‚ÄúAs for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations. No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations. I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you. And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.‚ÄĚ Notice how the covenant was to Abraham and his descendants after him in their generations and the land is an everlasting possession to them.
There is a distinction to be made between Israel and Gentiles. Gentiles are only grafted in to Israel and not the other way around.
You see the fullness in the gospel as you quote a confession, lol. Did the nation of Israel's fall, result in riches to the world and it's failure result in riches to the Gentiles? Then what will Israel's fullness of a faithful nation in the gospel mean?
Romans 1:16 NKJV
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
SteveR... If I told you the Israel which fell resulting in riches to the world and the same Israel who's failure resulted in riches to the Gentiles, you would know who Israel is. So how is it you don't know when that Israel's fullness is reached and it accepts her savior that it will result in the Resurrection of the saints?
SteveR... My point was that Israel is back as a nation because God has reestablished it. God will pour out His wrath on Israel, but a remnant will be saved.
Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness! For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? Romans 11:12, 15 NKJV
Since Jesus is coming back for His bride, doesn't there need to be a bride here to come back too? If God raptures up the church before Jesus comes back, then who is He coming back for?
God tells us plainly when the Resurrection takes place. It's at the end of the Tribulation and before the Millenial reign of Christ.
Revelation 20:4-6 NKJV
...Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
GSTexas wrote: Romans 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: Notice Paul reinterprets the text and informs us that only those who have the righteousness of faith are heirs to the promise.
So the promises were to Abraham and his descendants? Yes.
Those promises included land! Which land? The land that the nation of Israel now posses and more in the future by faith.
The promises were never according to the law because there wasn't even a law when God made the covenant with Abraham.