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rational perception wrote: John for Satan I see you do not believe in God!! If you did you would know that the Reformation was ordained by God. What **GOD DID** was took the "Christians" away from the religious fallacy and religious soap opera that is Roman Catholic theatrics.
I think I brought up a very valid question. If the Reformers came out of the Catholic Church and held to many of their same beliefs, how is it Catholics are heretical and not the Reformers? The only difference being indulgences and maintaining salvation through good works, which even some Protestants have believed.
CV wrote: So says the most dangerous deceptive degenerate on this site. You can't find a spiritual pulse on this guy. But boy can this degenerate weave a lie with such cleverness and conviction that even God couldn't hold a candle to him.
It's sad that you think the truth is dangerous and deceptive because you have been so brain-washed by Calvinism.
mark4 wrote: 1) Faith is how God holds communion with His elect. The elect are not "taught that ideology by someone else" - The elect are revealed the truth by the Holy Spirit. That does not just mean every literal word of Scripture - It means that the truth is revealed through faith to the faithful. Faith comes first. Truth is Word plus revelation. 2)Down through the ages the elect has received the truth of baptism and how it is performed.
3) Notice the qualification in the last sentence; - Everybody has ears, but the truth is not received by everybody. Some see but do not perceive. Some hear but do not understand. Eyes and ears are not what God uses to make manifest the mystery of faith, see Mk 4:11.
1) I was saying, as Christ did, that one must be born and then be baptized of the Holy Spirit to see the kingdom of God. Faith is our obedient act of repenting from sins and trusting in Christ. 2) The elect should receive their doctrine through scripture and not through fallible men. Through the ages, people were taught to be saved contrary to Calvin's teachings. 3) That was only during Christ ministry. Many were not allowed to hear or see because they did not previously believe. Afterward, some who were blind, did see.
2wetornot2wet wrote: 1) Only to you! 2) No! 3) Jesus commissioned baptism in water. Those who have faith confirm this. 4) To be born again and baptised with water symbolizes the sign and seal of Covenant, ingrafting into Christ, regeneration and remission of sins. God is sovereign in all of creation and faith reveals the truth of Scripture to the elect.
1) You think they were Calvinist? Read the Ante-Nicene Fathers, they were closer to Arminian. 2) Yes! 3) He said baptize in the name if the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Not anything about water. Nor did Jesus instruct to baptize in water anywhere else in scripture. Right? Right. 4) Not according to God. You were taught that ideology by someone else.
2wetornot2wet wrote: 1)The early church who emerged from the apostles and disciples of Christ passed on the wrong info did they? 2)The eunuch and Philip went down to the water - Were they wrong or misguided? And considering God recorded this in Scripture He is wrong too is He? 3) The baptism of John the Baptist is certainly portrayed with water - And what you are suggesting is that this came to a grinding halt. But there is nothing to qualify your belief in the Bible. Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. John 3:5 4) "Water and the Spirit" - What is the third element you have decided should be included?
1) It would appear that way! Don't. You also believe they got the order of salvation wrong also? They weren't Calvinist. 2) Traditional mikvah baptism. 3) Jesus referred to it in the past tense, so will I. 4) To be born physically (water) and spiritually (Spirit). THE Bible doesn't add anything else. Neither do I.
FiVer wrote: Remember Michael that nowhere from Scripture can you produce a verse which proclaims or ordains "Believer's baptism" And again nowhere from Scripture can you produce a verse which proclaims or ordains that depth of water is an essential specific in baptism.
That is so true, so why believe in water baptism at all? Jesus didn't give any instructions on how to perform water baptism or anyone else in scripture for that matter.
Fupon wrote: Because the Founding Fathers wrote down that liberty, justice and happiness are for all. These "liberals" are interpreting those documents literally.
If they were interpreting the first amendment literally, they wouldn't be trying to deny the free exercise of religion. They are trying to force believers into not exercising their belief that homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of God.
It's not very spontaneous when they bring a tub which they had to fill with water, lol. Spontaneous is when the Holy Spirit falls on new believers, because one second they didn't believe and the next they do.