Makes me wonder why the state is involved with a religious ceremony at all. Is marriage a God ordained institution? Then why is the state involved and why have unbelievers, non church members, and adulterers been allowed to marry to begin with? Yet, God says that if a woman divorces and remarries she has committed adultery. So there is an allowance for at least remarriage, as wrong as it might be. So should there be an allowance for say two women to marry, as wrong as it may be?
The problem with Calvinism is it is a philosophy of fatalism dressed up in Christianity. It contradictory of the love of God for the world and makes Him appear unjust by exercising wrath on a group of people who supposedly have an irresistible urge to not believe in Him, no fault of their own. The fault only lays on Adam. God's love for the select is made out to be a whimsical choice.
The government is prohibited from impeding the free exercise of religion according to the Constitution. The have no right getting involved with religious ceremonies. I'm sure the ACLU will jump right on the case! Lol
Adultery has been accepted within the church without much push back at all. How much more will homosexuality be accepted with all of the LGBT groups out there promoting that behavior? One can imagine pastors saying, "Well, it's wrong however God forgives and wouldn't want anybody living alone for the rest of their lives. We mustn't be Pharisees about it!"
Good article! I find the worship at my church to be to worldly and actually causes division. There is a more "traditional" service in one building and then a more loud and rocked out service in another building with the preaching watched by giant screens from the "traditional" service right next door.
John UK wrote: Well, if I have misread your explanations, then I apologise. But it would help if you would put forward your beliefs in a clearer and more concise manner. How about if you explain what I have misread. Just take the first sentence and tell me where I have got it wrong. BTW, a Christian should NOT resort to lying, like you just said. Here it is: "Up to a certain point in time, there are no promises of God of everyone of Israel being saved, indeed most of them are perished. But at some point in the future, God will "bring" all the living descendants of Jacob to faith in Jesus Christ," Is this not your belief?
Though I do think you misrepresent what I believe at times, you didn't do it so much this last time. I was at work and glossed over your post without carefully reading it and jumped to conclusions. Sorry. I don't believe all Israel being saved means just a spiritual Israel or all the descendents who ever lived will be saved. Neither do I believe there will be Yom Kipper, Passover meals, and all of the rest, though there may be as a remembrance.
âOn that day I will raise up The tabernacle of David, which has fallen down, And repair its damages; I will raise up its ruins, And rebuild it as in the days of old; That they may possess the remnant of Edom, And all the Gentiles who are called by My name,â Says the Lord who does this thing.
The source says the Gentiles who are called by His name are also going to be with Israel when He rebuilds the tabernacle of David. This is important because it showed the early Christians how God had a plan which included Gentiles also, so they shouldn't try to make them Jewish.
John UK wrote: John, I got it from all of your recent posts. Why don't you have a read through of all your posts on this thread and see for yourself. I'm glad you agree it is nonsense, for that is what it is. So why do you believe it?
I don't. I never said half the stuff you said. A Christian should resort to lying John.
John UK wrote: John, I think I now have a better grasp of your view of this. Let me see now. Up to a certain point in time, there are no promises of God of everyone of Israel being saved, indeed most of them are perished. But at some point in the future, God will "bring" all the living descendants of Jacob to faith in Jesus Christ, and if any of Ishmael's descendants also come to faith in Christ, they will be saved as well, despite having no promise of God. Plus, any Gentile who believes on Christ will also be saved, as per normal. Once this widespread salvation through Jesus's shed blood has occurred, Jesus will come and set up his kingdom in Jerusalem, including reinstituting the temple sacrifices, a Levitical priesthood, animal sacrifices for sin, Yom Kippur, Passover meals and all the rest. Now I have it. But I won't buy it, as I think it is all a nonsense. Hey Ho!
Yeah, I don't get where you come up with most of that nonsense but it's not from scripture.
John UK wrote: John, so what you're saying is that the expression "all Israel shall be saved" means "all those who believe shall be saved". Well, sure, that is the terms of the new covenant, no matter who anyone is ethnically. Or are you saying that all ethnic Jews who are descended from Jacob will at some point in the future all come to believe in their Messiah? But all the Jews descended from Ishmael or Esau or any other line will not come to faith, not now, not then?
Why is this so hard for you? Lol. There will come a time when God comes and physically saves the descendents of promise because they will all believe and be saved. God will save the nation and set up His kingdom in Jerusalem. The promises to Israel are not to Esau or Ishmael. Yet, whosoever believes from the lineage of Esau or Ishmael may be saved. They are not excluded.
And who is like Your people, like Israel, the one nation on the earth whom God went to redeem for Himself as a people, to make for Himself a nameâand to do for Yourself great and awesome deeds for Your landâbefore Your people whom You redeemed for Yourself from Egypt, the nations, and their gods? For You have made Your people Israel Your very own people forever; and You, Lord , have become their God.
John UK wrote: So when you say, "all Israel shall be saved", what you mean is, "a small remnant of Israel shall be saved".
Again, what God means is at a point in time, future, all Israel will be saved. Not all those in the past, but all those who will believe then. When they come to faith, Jesus will return and set up His earthly kingdom in Jerusalem.