Frank wrote: Has anyone taken the time to listen to any false preacher, such as Joel Osteen or Rick Warren, etc.? Sometimes they do speak the truth, but that is only to confuse the naive. If you ask Rick Warren how we are saved; he will say by grace through faith. Then listen further to him and ....
Quite so, fellow pilgrim.
I did some research about 15 years ago, concerning Nicky Gumbel of Holy Trinity Brompton, in England. If you've not come across him, he was the Anglican who introduced the pseudo "Toronto Blessing" to the UK, and also the one who developed the deceptive "Alpha Course" which soon went worldwide.
I read some of his material, and decided that despite some seemingly Christian content, he never had much of an idea of what Christianity was designed to do.
I think the worst thing was his description of a non-Christian, whom he compared to a TV set with bad reception due to not having an aerial plugged in. His solution? Plug the aerial in.
If the gospel message is incorrect, pseudo converts are the natural result.
ladybug wrote: In any case, I do not regret and stand by my questioning of Dolores and her claims concerning the Holy Spirit and decisional regeneration.
Ladybug, dear sister,
If you wish, you may question me about what Dolores said, seeing as I do not see any evidence in what she said concerning decisional regeneration. Note,
"I know it's the Holy Spirit that draws us to Christ by convicting us of our sins, wooing us to accept Him as our Saviour and be saved from the wrath of God. He is with us now as our teacher, comforter and helper." said Dolores.
1. Who does the Holy Spirit draw to Christ? Answer, God's elect. They are drawn to Christ, they come to Christ, which is the gospel command.
2. Wooing us to accept him [Jesus] as our Saviour? Were you drawn to Christ out of a sense of his love for you? Or did he [the Spirit] drag you to Christ?
3. And saved from the wrath of God. Who is it in the world who desires to be saved from the wrath of God? Most people do not believe in the wrath of God, let alone salvation from it. So this again is all a part of the Holy Spirit's working in the soul.
I don't have a problem with that.
If I'm still on your Ignore List, ignore the above.
Lurker wrote: Amen John. In case anyone is wondering about my view of Calvinism........ I posted this before but it's been a while......... http://blogs.thegospelcoalition.org/kevindeyoung/2012/03/28/does-calvinism-make-people-jerks/
Bro, what an excellent little blog!
It's a good summation of what I think myself. And it sure explains a lot of what you correctly say. Thanks for posting it up. We all need to take this short article to heart, and act accordingly.
Conclusion of the article states:
Some people hate Calvinism because they hate the truth. Thatâ€™s their problem. But some hate the ugliness they see in Calvinists. Thatâ€™s our problem. It happens to be the problem with a lot of people who have a cause, hold to a belief, or think they see something others donâ€™t see.
But if the Calvinist cause is Christ, the beliefs we hold have been revealed to us, and what we see is grace upon grace all for the glory of God, then we of all people ought to be meek instead of mean, humble instead of haughty, and joyous instead of jerky.
Frank wrote: I would ask this question, how can someone resist irresistible persuasion? IOW, the day that Christ saved me, I had no idea or thought about coming to Christ, but before that day was over, I belonged to Him.  All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.  No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.  And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. (Jhn 6:37, 44, 65 KJV) Notice the ones that the Father has chosen will come to the Son.
Thanks for that testimony fellow pilgrim. It is truly most wonderful, to see how our Lord God worked in our life to bring us to himself.
The scripture verses you provided show what happens when the Spirit is so working in our heart: we "come to Christ".
I spoke with a young chap recently about whether he was saved or not. He replied in the affirmative. When I asked him what happened, he came out with a lot of theological jargon. So I stopped him and asked what actually happened. He said the Lord so convicted him of sins that he cried out, "Lord, save me!" And he did.
Moses wrote: Yes the LOVE of Money is the root of all evil. Why the LOVE of Money is the root of all evil? Because God said in Matthew 6:24 (KJV) 24 No man can serve two masters: â€¦Ye cannot serve God and mammon. And why is that? Because God said in Matthew 6:24 (KJV) for either he will HATE the one, and LOVE the other; or else he will hold to the one, and DESPISE the other. Matthew 6:24 (KJV)
Christopher000 wrote: "...she never went back to the RCC." Thanks, John UK. The churches fatal, fully anit-bibical, anti-God doctrines, dogmas, and rituals should repulse anyone who claims to have been born again and has been properly informed. The good people here have spent years expounding on the same old things over and over again using Romes words against God's, so a lack of knowledge can't be used as an excuse. Neither can pretending this or that isn't going on in order to justify attending mass. Neither can shyness or comfort be used to justify remaining a part of such a diabolical system of false religion. From another thread: "I am an evangelical Catholic Christian" Makes me shudder that anyone claiming to be born again openly and proudly aligns themself with such a system, being fully aware of their fatal doctrines which are diametrically opposed to God's own Word.
Yes, it doesn't make sense to me either.
Take the evidences of the new birth, one of which is a hunger for the milk of the word of God, a desire to know more and more about Jesus. No-one will have their thirst quenched at a RCC, and someone in whom Jesus dwells will know that, they will search elsewhere.
Dave wrote: Might I add; that it's absolutely essential to stand for the truth and also having ushered or discussed and or commented to people the correct and true more sure word,the rest is in the hands of God and the Holy Spririt.
G'Day Dave, the Lord bless thee, amen.
I don't know if you've ever read any of Bishop Ryle's writings? He was very good at doing what you are saying. Note the "he". He always warms the heart. Note that.
One of the greatest problems today, as I see it, is that those of us who have come by grace to believe the biblical doctrines of free and sovereign grace, hardly seem to be able to put over those doctrines of grace in a gracious manner. Think about it. We preach the grace of God, but do it in such a manner as to negate the doctrine.
And what is the grace of God? It is the undeserved favour of God towards sinners.
Some folks here post with grace, and some don't.
The doctrines of grace on these threads have suffered much, not because of detractors, but because some of those who claim to be promoting them, actually do them disservice by the way they post.
It's little wonder that one said recently, "Whatever you've got, I don't want it."
And then we went on to talk about Count Von Zinzendorf, who evidently loved the Lord from a very early age, but who was dramatically spoken to by his Lord at an art gallery on Germany, while he was transfixed by a painting of the crucifixion, which was to radically change the entire course of his life.
Now seeing as I will never grumble about what the Lord does, nor in how he does it, nor to whom he speaks, nor his purpose or will in it all, seeing as I believe in the sovereign Lord God, and that Jesus Christ is King of kings and Lord of lords, I think I might be showing a bit more maturity than I had when I was a young Christian.
But it does grieve me when professing Christians speak against the Lord, and even against the Lord's people. They seem to have such a bigotry that anyone or anything which is outside of their pigeon holed view of scripture, must be very bad people, even censuring God who seems to be quite capable of doing things outside of their own agenda. The only way they get around this is to say that God will work "in spite of" certain things, but not "because of" certain things.
Thusly, his own sovereignty is taken away at a stroke, seeing as he cannot do things in the way he wants, he has to pander to man.
Well, there I was, having a nice, peaceable conversation with Dolores, about the tract The Artist's Studio, in which were wonderful conversions, both of the artist first, after he attended a small fellowship and heard the gospel for the first time and was soundly saved, and then the young gypsy girl (who had not very long to live) who was converted to Christ at the art gallery, where she was sitting in front of a picture of the crucified Saviour, wishing that the inscription underneath was actually relevant to her.
All this I did for thee What hast thou done for me?
When the artist turned up, and saw her weeping there and asked why, she replied, "Oh that he might have loved me and died for me." The artist understood that she was thinking she was unworthy of the love of Christ, being a poor, despised gypsy. He told her, "But Pepita, he DID die for you also, he died for the sins of the whole world. He loves you too."
On hearing this, the Holy Ghost filled her with faith in believing, and she had joy unspeakable and full of glory.
Not long after, she departed this world to be with her Saviour, which is far better.
The gospel is a most marvellous message, telling of a Saviour for sinners, who died for sinners and rose again.
Dave wrote: Hardi har har har har Good day to you sir. Nah only joking old chap.
My dear old thing, absolutely spiffing what? Not a problem old boy. Anytime.
Christopher, he nearly got me, but I sussed it. A parcel came from Oz with a Vegemite label on the back, along with a few Bible verses. So I called the bomb disposal and they took it away for a forensic examination. Phew! Close shave or what? Last week it was crayons, this week it was vegemite, next week I'm expecting Roo Burgers.
Now I think I ought to gently show you that you are in most serious error, and if you don't correct it, there is no hope of your improvement. I hesitate to tell you this, but seeing as no-one else has pointed out to you this most awful and heinous error, it is left to me, once again, to "do the deed". I don't know, as if I've not got better things to do with my time. It's always me has to correct "Lie Detector", that poor unregenerate woman who is trying to make heaven by her works and hates Calvinists so much that if she had a chance she'd put us all in a freezer and turn the power on. Talk about close fellowship. Mind you, some neo-Calvinists don't need the freezer, they're like that all the time anyway. But I digress, there is a far more important issue to deal with, my dear brother, and I can't wait a moment longer to put you straight on this, lest you lose your steadfastness in Christ and go on the slippery slope. And with such a great love for you and your fellowship in Oz, I would not wish for that to transpire. So would you please not forget to put an apostrophe between G and Day, because it is short for Good Day. G'Day mate!!!
Dolores wrote: I know it's the Holy Spirit that draws us to Christ by convicting us of our sins, wooing us to accept Him as our Saviour and be saved from the wrath of God.
Quite so, Dolores. It is a wonderful work of God, from his heart of love.
The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee. (Jeremiah 31:3 KJV)
Matthew Henry says: [It is the happiness of those who are through grace interested in the love of God that it is an everlasting love (from everlasting in the counsels of it, to everlasting in the continuance and consequences of it), and that nothing can separate them from that love. Those whom God loves with this love he will draw into covenant and communion with himself, by the influences of his Spirit upon their souls; he will draw them with lovingkindness.]
and John Gill: [This is an instance of the love of God; a fruit and effect of it: it is love that draws a soul to Christ, and is the cause of its coming to him; it is love that reveals him to it, and causes it to come to him.]
Ah, this precious love of Christ is so powerful and cannot be resisted.
Christopher000 wrote: Hey John, I had to go in the regular site to view the link, but took a look. Is that a painting? If so, I've never seen detail like that.
Nay, it's just a photograph. But hey, what a shot of Oliver Cromwell! What a beauty! John Bunyan is also represented as one of the 55 Class 7's.
As soon as I mentioned 70013 with the nameplate Oliver Cromwell, one of the ladies flared up and reckoned him to have been an evil man. So I began to say to them all how Catholicism in the UK was fortunately countered by such men as Cromwell. This led to the lady saying that she was baptised Catholic. This led to other things, and so on, and so forth.
I call it conversational witnessing. I'm not trying to win an argument, just making certain points through everyday chatter. Don't forget that we are all "at work", trying to sell things that we've made with our own hands.
An interesting thing that came up was "politics and religion". And then someone asked me if I had a choice in religion? I replied not really, because when Jesus Christ visited me in my little flat, he turned me around, saved my life, and made me into a Christian by changing my sinful will.
Get Real wrote: i have hope in the Lord that He will provide otherwise i see homelessness in my future ...
Get Real, the Lord knows your future, and you are in his hand. Keep up hope, keep up prayer, keep up praise to him. He has purchased you, and you are not your own. Father has given you as a gift to his Son (John 17), so rejoice when you are able, and sit silently before him when you are not able. I'm sure that there are many on here who will also add our prayers to your own. You are not alone.
Dave wrote: Brother John uk, it may also interest you that the second biggest supplier of sulphur to the world is Israel and Israel mine their sulphur from the region where Sodom and Gomorrah were thought to b located.
Indeed, brother! That is most interesting, and perfectly logical. Thanks for sharing that snippet.
Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone [or sulphur] and fire from the LORD out of heaven; (Genesis 19:24 KJV)
I think it shows that the perversion of sodomy is different from all other sins, in that it should have attracted such a degree of wrath from the Lord God Almighty. The true Christian church must always stand against this dreadful sin, never compromising.
I always use the word sodomite when witnessing. It makes a good springboard to telling people about the city of Sodom, why and how God judged them, and will do so again, either in this life, or in the life to come. Our God is a consuming fire.