Hey Kev, I was looking for a "Doctrines of Grace" world missions organisation online, and you know what it's like, the search engine comes up with all sorts of answers, and it turned up this one which you may like to bookmark as a reference study. You could even use it for teaching, the way it is laid out. God bless your studies bro.
I notice that Bro Observer recommended Seaton's booklet, and I would second that, most excellent.
Praise God for "his" most excellent grace and mercy shown towards lost sinners who deserve nothing, but receive everything through Jesus Christ. We will never fathom the depths of the riches of his grace, nor fully comprehend the heights of his love for us.
Kev wrote: Well I think you probably didn't even watch the 3 min clip John Y Here it is again: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=axxlXy6bLH0 Don't see how a video of Graham talking can be a lie John Y makes no sense at all. Maybe I am crazy will others please take three minutes to see what Graham says. Watch the movie John Y and then tell me what I said that was wrong! If I am wrong I will apologize.
What I heard was that if God calls a sinner [directly], they are now in the body of Christ. And this, even if they have not heard the gospel or the name of Jesus.
Andrea,Athens Greece wrote: Good afternoon John,I heard the hymn you suggested.I remember it,it is truly an anointed one.Thanks bro,love it! Have a wonderful day.Do you know," In Christ Alone I place my trust"? One of my favourite hymns.Blessings dear brother!!
Kalispera Andrea, yes another good-worded song of praise to the Lord, thank you. I don't have any CD's of music except the full set of Psalms sung by different cathedral choirs all over England; they are very special and a good source of spiritual input. But they don't sound too good through my laptop tinny speakers, with those great cathedral organs playing bass notes that make the building shake. So actually I have to rely on YouTube for all other music, and I don't always have the download speed to play them.
God bless you and all your friends in Athens. The Lord is coming for his blood-bought people.
John for JESUS wrote: Yes, you will say how much you care for unbelievers, but in the end your God doesn't care for them and in fact hates them.
John, you really aren't thinking. You could do with a real deep study on "The Attributes of God".
Making false claims does not bolster your faulty thinking.
What was God doing when he flooded the earth and killed everyone except eight souls? Hmmmm. Do you regard him as vindictive? Or do you regard him as just? Why did he do it? If God so loved them, how on earth could he do such a thing? How awful!!
That is your mindset, and is why you hate the Doctrines of Grace.
You do not see God as perfectly just. If he wished he could condemn every single one of us to hell eternally. What would you say to that? Would you say, "Well, we deserve it?" Or would you say to God, "How on earth could you do such a thing?"
Methinks you have picked up some exaggerated comments from your preachers concerning Calvinism. A lot of Arminist preachers do that, only they are really speaking about Hyper-Calvinism which most of us here would disagree with.
Now if you were to listen to Peter Masters preach the gospel at any Sunday night service at the Met Tab, you may be put straight. It's up to you.
Kev wrote: Not dead yet J4 is that the wording of the Bible? A good question J4 does not the potter have power over the clay to make a vessel unto dishonor? To harden it as he pleases and fit it to destruction ever so patient with it for the day of wrath where unto it was fitted for destruction. Like I have been telling you J4 you are mixing up God's command to us and our responsibility with our ability and his part in the forming. He is elaborating J4 on the analogy of the potter and the clay he is expanding what the potters power over the clay is in Romans. I'm enjoying everyone's comments. Isaiah 29:16 16 Surely you have things turned around! Shall the potter be esteemed as the clay; For shall the thing made say of him who made it, ‚ÄúHe did not make me‚ÄĚ? Or shall the thing formed say of him who formed it, ‚ÄúHe has no understanding‚ÄĚ? Woe to the one who speaks to the Potter as if he has no hands J4!
On the button, Kev. It is a serious business to argue with the Creator. The problem is, that men "will" think that they deserve something from God, therefore they create a god of their own devising, in the sort of image they prefer, rather than submit and bow down to the God of the Bible.
Lurker wrote: I was about to call that quote from J4J out too, but decided to save my breath. He is hopelessly in the grip of freewill theism, it shines forth from everything he posts, and only God can shake some sense into him.
Quite so, Lurker. He is living proof that men do not have freewill, nor the freedom to believe correctly on Christ without the grace of God going before.
Amazing how someone in bondage can claim to be free. It's like sitting in a cell, tied up, corpse-like, and still uttering, "I'm free to do what I want."
Kev wrote: Hey John UK yeah finished with my summer classes on this past Monday. I got A's so that's good. Tomorrow I will be starting Spanish, English and world religions. The Spanish will be good for my outreach and as you can see I need some English skills, it's been more than 15 year. The world religions will be good for me as well. Every class I have I have managed to slip a gospel message in lol. In my world history I answered many questions on the great awakening and such more than they wanted to hear lol. My counseling with a multicultural aspect I did a book report and did my presentation about "Secret Believers" a true story about Christians in Islamic countries. I hope these new classes will afford me the opportunity to share the message as well. Are you an artist John UK?
Thanks for sharing that, Kev. And may God bless the work and witness. Yes I took up watercolour in 2006, and sell paintings locally every Tuesday at an indoor market.
Regarding whom Jesus saves. A sinner is not justified till he believes. So he is not saved until he believes. You get from that, that Jesus saves believers. But the saving work was begun before he believed, so Jesus saves unbelievers. Is it not so?
Hi Kev, yes I see what you are saying, but I still think it is not theologically correct. For example...
1 Timothy 1:15 KJV This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
Jesus saves sinners, that is, unbelievers.
In my Pilgrim's Progress example, Christian came to be convicted of sin by the Spirit, but still knew not that Jesus died for him. It was some time later that he came up to the cross and, gazing upon it, his burden of sin dropped away and he was free.
One of the very best illustrations of what salvation is, and how it comes about, is Spurgeon's ALL OF GRACE which has links to each chapter, so that you do not have to read it as a book, but can dip into any facet of so great salvation.
This one book will keep you from becoming unbalanced in your thoughts and deliberations. For example, Spurgeon says, "The Lord does, in fact, produce the new birth in all who believe in Jesus; and their believing is the surest evidence that they are born again," in the chapter on regeneration and the Holy Spirit.
Kev wrote: I believe the Holy Spirit gives you a need of a Savior...
Yes it reminds me of John Bunyan's allegory, when Christian set off from his house, having conviction of the Holy Spirit, repeating to himself, "The wages of sin is death, the wages of sin is death." And it is noticeable that it was only him who had that revelation, his wife and children stayed behind at home, thinking him to have gone mad, not seeing in that plain text (Romans 6:23) anything to concern them.
Surely this illustrates the great need of quickening, enlightening, and conviction of the Spirit, before any sinner will begin to seek the Lord and salvation through the cross.
I think SC would fit in well with some of the more extreme Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches, which seek to excel in godliness, but go about it the wrong way, by sheer effort and according to rules, rather than by grace and belief of the truth, whereby the risen Lord Jesus dwells in the heart, transforming it by his presence, sanctifying the thinking by the Spirit of God, living out a "new creature" life attained by being "in Christ".
Loving God and loving fellow humankind is not possible by effort.
Which is why we say, "I am what I am by the grace of God."
Folks who are still "in Adam" may try and try and try, but they will still never attain to genuine godliness, because the "natural man" is incapable of such a thing.
So it is right to praise God for the new birth, the sanctification of the Spirit, the growth in holiness, the doing of his will.
Apostasy will always come about when we are separated from the Lord Jesus Christ, for without him, we can do nothing (of any spiritual value).
John for JESUS wrote: John UK... I haven't entered into God's rest. For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. Hebrews 4:8‚Ä≠-‚Ä¨9 NKJV Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, ‚ÄúWrite: ‚ÄėBlessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.‚Äô ‚ÄĚ ‚ÄúYes,‚ÄĚ says the Spirit, ‚Äúthat they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them.‚ÄĚ Revelation 14:13 NKJV and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, II Thessalonians 1:7 NKJV It says we will enter His rest when the Lord comes back.
John, it's a bit like salvation itself. We "have" been saved; we "are" being saved; one day we "shall" have complete salvation.
Matthew 11:28ff is referring to the rest we experience now. You are thinking of the eternal rest.
But then maybe you have never experienced a burden of sin, a great weight of guilt which drags you down, the knowledge of being under God's wrath, being hell-bound and deservedly so. If you had, you would understand what Jesus meant when he said, "I will give you rest."