Observer wrote: Hi Christopher Agreed bro. Since both the RCC and Presbys believe in a sacral society, if they had the power, their doctrinal beliefs would be played out and persecution of other believers who dissent from their dogma would be certain. They just lack opportunity.
Correct, which is why both Presbys and Catholics play out their fictional dominance on these threads.
Observer wrote: I wrote Frank yesterday and received a response. He ain't coming back
Unprofitable Servant wrote: speaking of those to whom SteveR has shown inappropriately disdain, I sure do miss dear brother Frank posting on this site, hope God is gracious to us and brings him back. Thought I would share this word of testimony via John W Peterson
I miss Frank also.
Enjoyed reading the excellent prose by Peterson, thanks bro.
James Thomas wrote: What church would you say teaches sound, correct doctrine?
IMHO such a church would make much of the Lord Jesus Christ, especially in his multitude of roles. This would be a Christ-centred church.
And then, because "faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God", its pastor would preach "Jesus Christ and him crucified" in order to give sinners something to believe. It does sinners no good whatever to command them to "repent and believe the gospel" unless they can understand what repentance actually is, and what the gospel actually is.
Thus, the commandments of God must be preached, that the law may do its convicting work in the soul, for "sin is the transgression of the law".
The vicarious sufferings of the Saviour must be preached, such that folks will see the completeness of Christ's work, that there is nothing they can do to deserve heaven, that there is such a thing as imputed righteousness received through faith, that they need to be born again and adopted into the family of God, for all by nature are outside.
Also that God's gracious amnesty is for all who will throw down their arms of rebellion, and bend their knee before the King of kings and Lord of lords.
pennned wrote: infant baptism, ah yes. they would baptize ALL infants to register them. there was no choice in the matter. this created a catholic or universal Christendom, and what a burden it was, for all the tares were registered in and the wheat were trying to find their way out! once ALL people are baptized in, the whole definition of baptism being a picture of personal regeneration is completely lost.
Good points, Penny. Those Anglicans who wrote the wcf could have done with a lot more thinking time and Holy Ghost involvement, as he would have remedied those errors, and the Church of England may well have become a God-honouring church, as well as the Church of Scotland and Church of Ireland. Imagine all those tares which would have been rejected from taking office and unregenerate career-mongers expelled from the church. They ought to have learnt from the RCC that baptising infants produces nothing but religious people.
Michael Hranek wrote: Dear Ladybug, and other sisters who love our Savior Observer wherever you are now Saint John UK Wales Helps UK and so many other Saints as well It is indeed a pleasure to be part of standing up and earnestly contending for the faith once for all delivered to the saints with all of you (or you all 'Sountern English') even with all our imperfections, mine especially God bless Got some projects to attend to The LORD bless thee, and keep thee: The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee: The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace. For the rest, You won't really know what you are missing until you repent, please do so soon, it is infinitely more important than pretending to know God
Rodney K. wrote: I recently had an opportunity to visit a factory assembling new servers for some large internet companies. Our guide slid open a tray that was packed full of hard drives. Each hard drive was 4 terabytes. He told us that each cabinet held upward of 800 hard drives. As I stood there, staggered by the enormous amount of knowledge that a single cabinet could contain, it dawned on me that as vast as that knowledge is, it pales in comparison to the wisdom and knowledge of God! Furthermore, those servers will only possess acquired knowledge. The LORD has never been taught. Isaiah 40:13 Who hath directed the Spirit of the Lord, or being his counsellor hath taught him? 14With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him in the path of judgment, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding? Romans 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! 34For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? 35Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? 36For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
Michael Hranek wrote: Brother Saint John UK Wales WDW (or Moniker Man if this is accurage) illustrates something enormously important. If he (or she) were ever to do some serious self-examination humbly before God in prayer. How would he (or she) ever make their calling and election truly sure?
It sounds to me like he or she is one of those "covenant children", depending on their pedigree to get them elect of God. In the Presbyterian economy, anyone having ungodly parents must come to Christ by way of repentance and faith (which he or she denies). What a confusion they are in.
We have the Bible, in which a multitude of examples are given as to how folks get saved. So why does Moniker Man ignore such? Maybe it is because he does not comprehend the Bible? But he understands the WCF, because it was written by men for men. There is no need for the Spirit, to understand the works of men.
St Michael, I liked what you said about St Charles.
works dont work wrote: Oh Look! According to one of the posters below the Puritans and the Reformed Church who adhere to the Westminster Confession and Catechism - ARE NOT SAVED????
The Bible never did say, "Adhere to the Westminster Confession & Catechism and thou shalt be saved."
God brings his elect to salvation in his own time and in his own way, working in them evangelical repentance, and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. When they exercise faith in Christ, they are justified, God declaring them righteous in his sight.
Now some of these elect souls will in time adhere to a confession of faith, it may be the WCF, or the 1689 Baptist, or the Southern Baptist, or one of any number of confessions. Some will not adhere to any confession, but trust in the Bible as their confession (sola scriptura). Now remember I'm talking about God's elect, not mere professors of Christianity.
It would behove you to realise that God's people are adherents of many different local congregations, contrary to your bigoted approach which says, "We only have got it right." That is most cultish, and is arrogancy in the extreme.
Observer wrote: Thanks John Not missing the weather! Will be sharing with the church the spiritual state of the land so that we can pray for ya all. How's the head now? Did you sell any paintings? Lord bless, bro.
Thanks for prayers bro, I'm almost back to normal now.
Sold nothing on Tuesday.
And again -
Ah, you'll miss that lovely chilly rain now you're back in the states. ____________
Thanks to Helps UK, yes you are quite correct bro. It is a sad state of affairs. As soon as I get a better internet connection I'm looking forward to listening to those Peter Masters sermons.
Helps wrote: Sorry, I should have stated in my original post. The answer to your question is yes, it is Dr Peter Masters of Spurgeon's Metropolitan Tabernacle, London. This was one in a series lamenting the death of persuasive evangelistic preaching in the Reformed tradition. Dr Masters is convinced, rightly so in my opinion, to attribute the demise of such preaching to a wrong view of regeneration. For those who wish to follow the entire series of presentations, the link is Evangelistic Preaching - The Forgotten Imperative This is such an important topic I would encourage all to listen to the series. Enjoy!
I've bookmarked it for when I have a better download speed. I've no doubt it will be most excellent series, as I've listened to many of Peter Masters evangelistic sermons and found them most heartwarming and biblical. I would certainly recommend them for evangelistic use. ___________
Hey Observer, glad to see you're back home safely.
Lurker wrote: We are about to enter uncharted waters, bro. Paul likens Christ and His bride to a man and his wife so gender recognition becomes all important as we read Paul's writings. In other places he refers to Christians as Christ's brothers and sons of the Father. How is it possible we can be Christ's bride (feminine gender) and brother (masculine gender) at the same time? Because God sees us as soul (mind, heart, wife, feminine gender) and body (flesh, man, husband, masculine gender) with our soul subject to the Zion covenant, our body subject to the Sinai covenant aka the law Paul said we were dead to and His Spirit fulfilling the righteousness of both.... love God, (Zion) and neighbor (Sinai). Applying this to Paul's conversion, he died soul and body on Damascus Road. The body (husband subject to Sinai covenant) was dead so the soul (wife subject to Zion covenant), though also dead, was free to marry another which happened when Paul received the HS (feminine gender, Ezek 11:19) fulfilling the Zion covenant, love God. Later, Paul's body was quickened by the masculine side of the Spirit (Rom 8:11) fulfilling the Sinai covenant, love neighbor.
Exodus 5:2 KJV (2) And Pharaoh said, Who is the LORD, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go? I know not the LORD, neither will I let Israel go.
Exodus 6:1 KJV (1) Then the LORD said unto Moses, Now shalt thou see what I will do to Pharaoh: for with a strong hand shall he let them go, and with a strong hand shall he drive them out of his land.
Now there's a thing.
Pharaoh's will was changed, quite dramatically. From saying, "I will not let them go" to actually driving them out of the land.
Being an ungodly, depraved man, Pharaoh still thought he could get God's people back again, so set off after them.
After God had let his people through the Red Sea by piling up the water on either side, when Pharoah tried to follow them, God undid the wheelnuts of the chariots, and told the piled up waters to cascade down onto Pharaoh's army and they were drowned in the depths.
Many folks think that God is nasty because he did that.
God forbid that I should ever call him nasty, for God is Good. It is men that are bad, and they are very bad, extremely so. They are so bad that it takes irresistible grace to reclaim them from the devil.
Rodney K. wrote: John & Lurker: Isn't Paul using the word "law" in this passage to refer to the Old Covenant which had passed away and been superseded by a far better Covenant? I would think that the "ye also" refers to gentile converts - those who had never been a part of the Old Covenant.
Thanks for your contribution Rodney. As I read the passage, the "ye also" seems to be referring to the previous scenario about the spouse and her relationship to the law concerning adultery.
However, it does not answer Paul's usage of the actual death of a spouse which frees from law. Here is my dilemma:
Romans 7:1-6 KJV (1) Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? (2) For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. (3) So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. (4) Wherefore, my brethren, **ye also are become dead to the law** by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. (5) For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. (6) But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
It is v4 where it says "ye also.." that I am interested in.
GSTexas wrote: Matthew Henry on 2Corinthians 5:17 "This ought to be the care of all who profess the Christian faith, that they be new creatures; not only that they have a new name, and wear a new livery, but they have a new heart and new nature. And so great is the change the grace of God makes in the soul, that, as it follows, old things are passed away - old thoughts, old principles, and old practices are passed away; and all these things must be come new. Note, regenerating grace creates a new world in the soul; all things are new. The renewed man acts from new principles, by new rules, with new ends, and in new company."
I like these words very much. This is what really happens when a person is born again. Thanks GS.