Thank you Dolores for that lovely testimony. I have no doubt that the Lord communicates lessons to us by many different ways in accordance with our needs and capabilities. That was a great lesson learnt by way of a dream, and seeing as it is wholly a biblical concept, I don't think even the gainsayers will be able to argue against it. But they might try, so "keep your eyes on Jesus" and it will be like "water off a duck's back".
Frank wrote: Well brother, I donâ€™t know about BG, but I know that every time you have posted something that brought praise and honor to our Lord, then you have borne fruit. Every time you have given to or helped a saint, you have borne fruit. And of course this list could go on and on.
Thank you Pilgrim, you have refreshed my spirit.
I know that in the glory, Jesus will be the focus of all attention and praise. But if just a few people come up and say to me, "Brother, I don't suppose you remember the occasion, but I do sincerely thank you for standing out in the snow one Saturday morning and handing me a Ryle tract, for that was what started me off on seeking God for my salvation, and the Lord used that little tract to awaken me and convict me of my sins and show me my need of a Saviour - praise the Lord!"
It is one of the hardest things in the world to give out tracts while wearing gloves.
Shane wrote: Seems to me, the common thread of conversion is experience. How can we know someone we've never met? Although I had read the bible and prayed several times for Jesus to come into my heart I never had power over the sin I so loved/hated. Then one day, so fed up with myself, I found myself weeping in the shower, convinced that I would seek his face continually until he came and changed me. I believed his words that said " you will seek me and you will find me, when you seek me with all your heart". After several days of heavy prayer and warfare against myself HE came. There Was Great Joy, NO Recollection of sin. His words flowed into my mind and heart and out of my mouth. I experienced true communion. It is the transformation and his power to hate the sin you once loved that confirms the truly converted.
Thank you Shane for telling it like it was with you. Your "....I would seek his face continually until he came and changed me..." was the same with me also. A Christianity without power is of no use to anyone.
As far as I know, the evangelistic association would not hold a crusade in an area unless every church there was fully supportive of it. This is a dreadful thing to impose, and comes from an ecumenical root. For that reason alone, I am totally opposed to it.
However, there is no doubt Billy Graham has reached a huge number of people with the gospel, even though his altar call method has probably resulted in a vast multitude of pseudo conversions. But in amongst them, will be converts who were genuinely called of God, truly born again, and currently attending good churches.
Even if he only got 10% who were genuine, that means that God used his preaching to bring thousands or tens of thousands into his kingdom by grace. And I will thank God for that.
What fruit have I brought forth? Thirtyfold? Sixtyfold? An hundredfold? Nay, not even thirtyfold.
Thank you to all my brethren and sisters who have given a potted account of how the wonderful Lord Jesus brought you to himself, and gave assurance of sins forgiven and peace with God. It is a wonderful work of God, in dealing with situations so different. He is to be praised.
Lurker made the point which I thoroughly agree with. It shows both sides the coin.
John 6:37-40 KJV (37) All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. (38) For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. (39) And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. (40) And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Our Lord Jesus came down from heaven to do, not his own will, but the Father's will. And his Father's will was that he should save all that the Father had given unto him. His Father's will was that all who see the Son (with faith's eye) and believeth on him, may have everlasting life.
If any are still lost, "Come to Christ tonight!" To "Christ"!
I will never become a Christian. I'm not interested in Christian things, nor am I interested in politics. You won't ever find me in a church service, except it be a wedding or a funeral, and I don't even want to go then. I don't feel happy around do-gooder Christians, and I don't see how they get anything out of life. What a waste. They make me sick.
Sure, there's a God. I think he's Father, Son and Holy Ghost, if I remember right. Yes, there's a heaven and a hell - I think. Sure there's a book called the Bible, which is God's word, but I never read it. Don't want to. I'd rather read about fishing.
I was christened as a baby. Waste of effort - not interested. What's a Methodist anyway?
I'm more interested in exciting things like going dragster racing, playing in rock groups, getting stoned, boozing it up, playing the fool, and going to rock concerts by Black Sabbath and Hawkwind. Self destruction? Sure, what's in this world to want to stay around?
Nope, don't talk to me about Jesus. What do I want with him? I'm a sinner and he's not. I've got better things to do than get involved with religion.
It's 1978, and I've not long to live. The self-destruct button's pressed. I don't care about hell.
Michael Hranek wrote: Ah Didactics, if someone is a born again believer with the indwelling Holy Spirit haven't they already come to Jesus? Why then would they need to be drawn to Him for something they already have?
Ah yes, cue Mike NY and his born again unbelievers point.
Frank wrote: Whatever the mark is, those that take it will deny Christ and willingly worship the antichrist. Like the Pharisees did when they said He had a demon. But once saved, always saved; so no worry.
Aye Frank, the Lord knoweth them that are his. But I sometimes wonder if the cashless society is already here, and by our acceptance of buying and selling in the modern way, the thing/person we worship may be something we know nothing of just yet.
Frank wrote: One day all mankind will be given a choice; take the "mark" or give up all you have including your lives.
It is in things like this, Frank, that the true children of Abraham will be revealed. Abraham is the father of all the faithful, and Jesus said to some who claimed descendency from Abraham that they were not doing what Abraham did, indeed the opposite.
Abraham heard the voice of God, and obeyed what the Lord told him to do. This is described in the new testament as "faith". And this is the faith we must have. I think one here calls it "the obedience of faith". This is not an intellectual assent to certain doctrines, as some vainly imagine; nor is it a confession of a doctrinal standard, even though those doctrines may well be true.
Saving faith is much more than this. It is nothing less than a revolution in the heart and life; it is God taking ownership of a sinner and making him into an obedient saint, a serving saint, a holy person who abandons himself or herself to the will of God, loving not the world but the Living God as supremely worthy of all worship and subservience.
Whatever that mark is, I won't be having any of it.
Isaiah 64:1-8 KJV (1) Oh that thou wouldest rend the heavens, that thou wouldest come down, that the mountains might flow down at thy presence, (2) As when the melting fire burneth, the fire causeth the waters to boil, to make thy name known to thine adversaries, that the nations may tremble at thy presence! (3) When thou didst terrible things which we looked not for, thou camest down, the mountains flowed down at thy presence. (4) For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him. (5) Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved. (6) But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. (7) And there is none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities. (8) But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.
Good for them. They are willing to take a cut in income to remain loyal to the Lord Jesus Christ, making a stand against ungodliness which might encourage others to also reject compromise just for the sake of money. The Lord will honour them for honouring the God of heaven.
Last night we were discussing at meeting the wonderful advocacy of our Lord Jesus Christ, and his ongoing ministry in heaven before the Father. "And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father..." Jesus never lost a case yet, for all those who belong to him.
Israeli officials deny scheming to get back the Temple Mount? That's the official line. The unofficial line is that they will not rest until they do get it back. Jerusalem is due, not for peace, but a bit of a skirmish. IMHO.
Frank wrote: Thanks Pilgrim. All I was trying to say is we shouldn't redefine salvation to simply believing that Christ died for our sins. JW and Mormons; both believe that, but neither believe Christ was God in the flesh. And of course, the RCC adds to all of it and certainly don't believe He was raised for our justification. I thank you for your kindness, but most of all for your patience!
Okay Pilgrim. There's much more to the exhortation "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved" than simply believing "Jesus died for my sins". Yes indeedy!
1517 wrote: John UK, Though I praise God for Martin Luther; I do not believe his view on communion. Consubstantiation is Christ's presence over, under, and through
Thanks 1517, it seems Luther had a strange view of it, when we see it all as symbolic, as baptism is symbolic. ______________
Frank said: "Jesus is the Son of God, period. Jesus died on the cross for the sins of the â€śwholeâ€ť world. Jesus was raised for our justification and that fact â€śmust be acknowledgedâ€ť in order for someone to be saved. Scripture never says Jesus was raised for the justification of the lost, nor does it say that Jesus intercedes and prays for the lost. Once again, in order to be saved, we must believe that Jesus is the Son of God, that He came into this world; that He died on the cross for our sins; and that He was raised for our justification."
I don't have a problem with that, Pilgrim, and I thank you for posting it. You are an inspiration bro.
Moniker Man never will have the understanding Mr Spurgeon had over the atonement.
Frank wrote: If someone believes that Christ died for their sins, but He was not God in the flesh and was not resurrected, then what good did believing in Christ dying for them have? NONE. So, the fact that I believe that God died for the sins of all mankind, past, present and future has no application without the entire gospel being believed. Many people limit the gospel to the atonement, but it is more than that.
Frank, are you saying that...
2 Corinthians 5:14-15 KJV (14) For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: (15) And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
2 Corinthians 5:18-20 KJV (18) And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; (19) To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. (20) Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.