Geff wrote: A man or woman can be right with God by repentance of sin, surrender to Him, and a life striving to keep His commandments. Not killing your own children is part of keeping His commandments.
Alas, I just caught that before switching off.
If that is your religion, Geff, I have to inform you that you are not yet a Christian. Which is why......
Geff wrote: Now that you've made up over the football silliness, please focus on the thing that really matters:abortion. Don't just talk about the issue of abortion, do something about it!
Geff, I really have to turn in now, but I think you'll find that the "thing that really matters" in the Bible is not "abortion", nor is it "the antics of the occupying forces of Rome", nor is it "the law of the land which needs changing"; rather it is the "spiritual state of the people before a holy and just God. A nation can only be "right" when the people are "right with God".
Now here's a question for you, just as I'm getting to know you and what you believe: How can a man or woman be "right with God"?
Night all, and remember to pray the Lord fills you with the Holy Ghost and gives you a zeal for his house that "eats you up", like it did Jesus.
"Who cares about football! Are we going to fritter our time away as thousands of children are brutally murdered in the womb every day! Arguing about the morality or immorality of watching football is pointless and stupid when compared to such a topic!"
You see what I mean, Geff?
Some folks would rather watch a footie game at home, with their popcorn and soda, than think too deeply about the abortion problem and how to counter it.
But if Ted Cruz were voted in, would he reverse all those things? Abortion, sodomy, same sex marriage?
And if he's a warmongering zionist, maybe he would slaughter countless people, including God's people in the ME through bombing campaigns?
Carol wrote: Wow, that's quite an assessement of people on this site , who I assume you do not know personally or have any interaction with except a few typed lines on a news feed board. Pretty pharisaical ...whoever you are
Well Carol, all you have to do is ask everyone here what the spiritual state of America and the UK actually is. And you'll get the answer that both are in dire straights spiritually........
.......except us, of course.
We're the business, aren't we?
No, of course not. That was the attitude of Pharisees in Jesus's day. We're all right, it's all the others.
Do I need to sort some things out in my life? Sure I do, and I'm honest enough to admit it. Now if everyone was to get serious about this, great things could come of it. But the problem is the lethargy, the spiritual desensitisation to sin, the "little foxes" which work away, making us ineffective in this world. It's the lack of Holy Ghost power in the churches, the unconcern for the glory of God.
We have quite sufficient instruction in the OT as to how God views his inheritance, and had to chastise and punish sin, but we today go La Li La Li La, and think we shall avoid all that because of grace.
Carol wrote: Someone zealously promoting holiness of life to the brethren is biblical.. Someone who beats the sheep continually about their own personal convictions of sports, holidays, alcohol , etc. Can come across as a busybody. But thanks for your input.
I know what you're saying, whoever you are.
However, those who are genuinely concerned for the poor spiritual state of the church at large, and who are fighting to avoid sin, to abide in Christ, to see repentance among those professing true faith, to fight against the worldly things, the sensual things, the devilish things, in a word to be godly in this world we are passing through, seeking a city not here........
.......will always come under attack, and that by professing Christians.
Those who do not care how blessed or not the country is, will never promote anything, they will never be obedient to God, they will while away their time here, not in godly fear but enjoying the pleasures of worldly sin for a season, not bothering about their spiritual state, nor about the state of others, having a sort of spiritual no-man's land.
And SC is correct about there being plenty of preachers on site who say exactly the same as her.
Carol wrote: Honestly we have to many folks on SA who want to push their own personal convictions on everyone else. Touch not, taste not, handle not.
Carol, I think it always good to take the Bible seriously. The words of Jesus here are not a "personal conviction" of "anyone here" but a very solemn warning about sin. Ignore passages like this, and you might find the Holy Spirit will cease to convict you of sin. This is called perhaps "backsliding" and it is not a good place to be.
Matthew 5:29 KJV (29) And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
I would far rather someone zealously promoted holiness of life, than made light of sin. Jesus was of the former type.
s c wrote: I will concede that I will never go along with the carnality in pro sports. The lust of the eyes,the lust of the flesh and the pride of life...all there.
1 John 2:15-17 KJV (15) Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. (16) For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. (17) And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
Brethren and sisters, I believe we need a continual reminder of the high calling we have in Christ Jesus. And that our three enemies - world, flesh, devil, will never cease trying to bring us down, against which we must Fight With All Our Might. We are not short on grace, for we have received "every spiritual blessing in Christ".
1 John 2:6 KJV (6) He that saith he abideth in him [Jesus] ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
I would like to encourage myself and all gathered here today, to walk in the same spirit in which our Lord Jesus walked, abiding in him and doing the will of God, whatever that may be for each of us.
Lurker wrote: My concern with Cruz is what I believe is an unbiblical view of God's relationship with the nation/state Israel. No doubt he is a staunch Israel supporter and I can see the possibility that he could get us involved in a ME war that would spiral out of control, all the while believing he is defending God's people and doing the service of God. Trump, on the other hand, most likely sees Israel as a strong secular ally, which they are, but not important enough to get us involved in WWIII. All speculation, of course, and when all is said and done, God's will shall prevail. Who knows, this falling away in the USA could go on for another 1,000 years before God says "enough"
Thanks Lurker, I'm getting a better picture now of how views on Israel the nation have a huge bearing on policy. ____
Penny, grateful thanks for answering all my questions in brief, that is a great help to me in understanding this.
Looking back to 1979 when I bought my first Bible as a new Christian from a secondhand book store, it was a CI Scofield reference Bible and I loved the clear print and the copious notes on most pages. Phew! I could have gone on to be known as Dispy John!
pennelope wrote: Putin respects Trump whereas neocon position is to provoke (while Congress funds jihadists in Syria) Putin is there holding back ISIS. Rand Paul introduced legislation to STOP funding groups that genocide Christians, the true gentleman --- US evangelicals DIDN"T CARE. Zionists love wores. they think it builds God's Kingdom.
Penny, I need to ask a few questions, as I don't think we have neocons or zionists in the UK.
1. Are the neocons also zionists? 2. Are neocons warmongerers? 3. Are zionists those who believe in the nation of Israel and that God has plans still for the nation in the ME? 4. Why didn't US evangelicals listen to Rand Paul? 5. Is Ted Cruz a neocon or zionist? 6. Have you had a president recently who was zionistic and how did that affect the country?
Christopher000 wrote: John UK Wrote: "Now I have to go fix my old car door which won't open driver's side. Ever tried getting in the passenger side and wiggling over the gear stick and handbrake? Phew!" This happened to a car my mom had. My brothers, sisters, and myself had to climb through the passenger side window. Pretty embarassing as a child, hoping nobody from school would ever see us out a window or driving by, etc...ha-ha.
Ha! That's one way. Thanks for that, bro. At least I could open the passenger door. But it was still embarrassing, with people watching, and me freezing to death needing to get the car warmed up, and I'm too old to be clambering about trying to get to the driver's seat. I've got it working again, but I'm not sure how. Or for how long. _______________
Geff, regarding Trump v Cruz, I think it hardly likely that Trump would begin World War III, whereas a religious figure in a position of leadership (say like Cruz), well, it could happen. We have to bear in mind the prophetic scriptures, and realise that endtimes involve a serious religious/secular clash, which already is beginning to take shape. These are just my opinions, and I have no desire to sway voters either way.
Geff wrote: John, I have not refused to acknowledge that possibility, however, this all began because I pointed out lurkers inconsistency. He said Cruz is "more than likely an instrument of God for our hurt", yet he has said nothing like that about beloved Dony Trump!
Geff, I have not seen any inconsistency in Lurker's posts. Not one.
He even said that he may/would vote for Cruz if Cruz got the nomination. I put may/would because I can't quite remember which it is.
I think it's a given that Trump would make a terrible president. Maybe we all agree on that - as a united opinion?
Anyway, if you like to hear Lurker's opinion on Trump, why not ask him? Maybe he didn't even consider it worthwhile commenting on such a nong. It wouldn't do for anglo/american relations when Trump is regarded like in the UK.
Now I have to go fix my old car door which won't open driver's side. Ever tried getting in the passenger side and wiggling over the gear stick and handbrake? Phew!
Geff wrote: Lurker wrote: "Instead you saw fit to continue to accuse me of lying but never once made it clear what the alleged lie was. Only by accident did I finally figure out what all this nonsense has been about." I made it abundantly clear what the alleged lie was. Not to say you neccessarily inrended to lie, that's between you and God, but you did imply it even though you said you never had.
Geff, the simple fact, which you refuse to acknowledge, is that Ted Cruz "could be" yet another "instrument of God" by way of judgment for America, just as the current president is. Or do you have a "prophetic voice" in declaring him to be the business, and that all shall be well under his leadership? Lurker has given his opinion. I have given you mine. You have another opinion. Others have other opinions.
What on earth is your problem?
I do hope this gets sorted out today, lest the thread gets the thumbsdown from the moderator and he rightly closes it. I can see the signs already, and if it continues, I can assure you without a "prophetic voice" that it will happen.
Dave wrote: Amen brother John uk, With a bit of gentle persuasion you guys may get to hear from my sister Annie, to give her own testimony. :-) likewise my oldest sister Loretta is struggling in faith,and finding fellowship, in her area its rc, a works based ecumenical Baptist church or some whacky dude who adores Brian Houston hillsong. God bless, my family here on sa.
Now that would be a wonderful thing, to hear from sister Annie. I'm sure it would be a great blessing to the family on SA, to hear of what great things the Lord hath done.