These folks are difficult to deal with because they have no sense of the value of human life; indeed, they positively desire to die in their cause, as that would improve their lifestyle shortly. So they believe. Big deception.
Freedom to preach the gospel in the west is so taken for granted that there is a tendency to neglect it. But there is a time coming when it will be illegal to do so, and the thin end of the wedge is already showing itself.
GSTexas wrote: I once asked SteveR how a Catholic could be saved, seeing as how they believe a false gospel. He responded by quoting Ephesisns 2:8, and asked me what part of "not of yourselves" did I not understand, clearly demonstrating to me that either he does not understand that verse, or was posting subterfuge again. Funny thing is, if I only needed one verse to prove they arent saved, that would be the one! They deny the first half of the verse, and believe it is of themselves. His response smacked of either hypercalvinism, or universalism, implying that they dont have to do anything (faith, repentance), they are just saved. I dont think he meant it that way, but thats how it came off.
Ephesians 2:8-9 is a relatively simple text for a believer. But them that are without, who try to explain it, come up with all sorts of bizarre interpretations, including the Roman Catholic salvation by effort. It's amazing, but yes, they do. The reason is a lack of comprehension as to what "grace" means. A Catholic will talk of grace all the day, but they do not mean the same thing as we do. This is where they trip up and fall in the ditch.
Troll Spotter wrote: Thanks Christopher. I googled it and came across a thread Here
In this thread I found SteveR answering your question: 2/19/13 7:31 AM "Are you an open minded Roman Catholic who is here searching for answers, or are you beyond certain of your views and the churches doctrines, and you are here hoping to change some minds concerning the Roman religious system not being a Christian entity, but rather thoroughly anti-God and anti-Christ?"
His response, apparently when he was not yet in the home for the mentally disturbed , was as follows:
2/19/13 9:03 AM SteveR | upper Midwest So to answer your question, I am not a Roman Catholic, do think they need more reform, but consider them Christians.
So SteveR regards Roman Catholics as Christians.
Maybe it's far worse than a simple beam in the eye; sounds like he is dead in trespasses and sins, unaware of the true gospel which counters Rome's blasphemous mass and associated nonsense like baptising babies.
Remnant view wrote: 1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Precisely! For SteveR to liken Christopher000 to a scorned woman without good reason is an example of a hypocrite with a big beam in his eye.
pennelope wrote: after so many years of interacting with those who have solutions to problems that are given trouble by the alphabet agencies, the reading of original research, etc, I have come to the conclusion that 80-90% of new intellectual property is simply blocked from the masses for free market development. you'll see specific tests using natural remedies available to all man that shows potentiality for a cure far beyond the cut, splice, and burn of our synthetic industries, even under major universities or major grants. but once the tests show what pharma has yet to produce, its yanked, funding pulled, programs pulled. this is a highly controlled society. was just recently at wallyworld. wow. people are barely walking they are so sickly looking, people swearing, yelling loud, grown men ogling costumes of zombies, and the foods laden with chemicals. judgment is already on the land.
Are we heading for another atheistic, communistic, secularistic, totalitarian way of going on, Penny? By "we" I mean the nation as a whole, and the church falling for it without a murmur.
Michael Hranek wrote: Long years ago now when a group of street preachers was on the corner at lunch time during the work week, this pastor's wife was walking in the downtown area and came up to talk to us She got on fire and took a turn preaching herself Boldly telling people how God could save people (from their sins) from the Whitehouse to the Whorehouse Testifying how she had been a $100 a day heroin addict and how God had saved her and delivered her from that hellish addiction and that He could do the same thing in others too! I think a lot of people, myself included, where wonderfully shocked with what ought to be a normal expected expression of genuine GOD FEARING Faith not the cowardly "I'm embarresed to let anyone know I am a Christian, it might offend them and they won't be my friend anymore " kind, let alone the know as one onfire for Jesus Christ who believes in the power of God to save the worst of sinners and deliver sinners out of the worst pits sin can enslave them in.
"Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution."
It is also true that some who live morally outside of Christ Jesus, will also suffer persecution. Many persecutors do not differentiate between Protestant and Catholic, Jehovah's Witness or Mormon, Christadelphian or Unitarian; Christendom gets all lumped together, and they do not know the differences, despite there being massive differences.
Dying "for the faith" is no guarantee the person has true saving faith. They believe something, but that something may be a deception, as we find in the Roman Catholic church.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Actually, and unfortunately even before him John of UK, Martin Luther's Sacramental Gospel. But, John UK, has it right except for where that tradition, Catholic one, comes from.
This is a most astonishing article which, if correct, shows Luther in a very poor light. Are there any who would gainsay the conclusions of this article, and believe what Martin Luther believed? Surely not! But yes, there are!
Bible Believer wrote: It must have something to do with the Baptist inability to read the Bible correctly.
If you were to interpret the Old Testament with the extra light of the New Testament, you would cease to hold one isolated verse to mean what you think it means. Indeed, your whole theory of election by genealogy would collapse; which is what you ought to do before God, repenting of having believed a false doctrine, and coming to a good understanding of what Genesis 17 is all about.
There are many who vainly imagine they are born again, and this, not by a sovereign work of a sovereign God (as in my case), but by an act of procreation followed by sprinkling with water, thus making it a manmade effort irrespective of God's involvement. This is not biblical, but a tradition from the 16th century Frenchy.