Platter wrote: Poor Harry. Anybody know what the theology of this article is?
The secret message of the story is for denominations to cease their competitiveness because it brings danger to each one; and to go forward as one group with the goal of reaching the celestial city safely. The new united church is to have a name - CHURCH.
To be a member of Church, one must adhere to the biblical confession of faith, spoken by the eunuch from Ethiopia, "I believe that Jesus is the Son of God". This could be expounded to, "I believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God". Baptism in water may follow such a confession.
This confession of CHURCH can not be arrived at by flesh and blood, but by revelation of the Father, thus embracing all of the elect, hence the name of the group.
I expect Prince Harry knew all about the parable, but royal protocol forbad him from speaking out, because of the royal devotion to anglicanism. Can you imagine the Queen having any truck with happy clappies or Presbyterians?
June Annette Nadolny wrote: John, I don't have any "inside info", but when one considers the divisions that are so rife within Catholicism and the infighting amongst those who identify as "conservative / traditional Catholics" as opposed to those who identify as "liberal/progressive Catholics" at the present time it is reasonably safe to conclude their days are numbered. As Christ said . . "a house divided cannot stand".
Yes, thanks for that, June. I don't know enough to comment on it. But in the Providence of God I found myself witnessing to a lady last week who, when I asked her if she was from a local church, replied, "I'm a born again Catholic."
When I asked her what effect that had on her life, she replied, "I felt led by God to go to my priest to make confession."
It was all too vague for me, but then vagueness surely is inevitable when a person is brought up in such a vague church. The evangelical world has its own language, and anything different is regarded with suspicion.
I tried hard to engage in spiritual conversation, but it was well nigh impossible.
I wonder if the RCC will still be up and running when the Lord returns.
Christopher000 wrote: Hi John, when a member of the laity answers questions about salvation, being born again, etc, they are not being willfully deceptive by any means. What it really boils down to are the core definitions that have been indoctrinated into them, all in the name of ecumenism Baptist pastor to stranger in elevator: hello friend, do you know Christ as your savior? "Yes sir, I do" You have repented of your sins and asked Christ into your life? "Yes sir". Have you been born again? "Yes sir, I have and am". Pastor says, "Well, praise God, brother! " What the pastor walked away not knowing is that the stranger was Roman Catholic and defines the tenents of salvation differently. When a Roman Catholic claims to be born again, what they mean is that they've been baptized as infants, perform auricular confession, and observe/perform the sacraments of pennance, etc. I'm not sure if I answered your question properly?
Yes, thank you very much Christopher. It sure makes communication difficult when two people use words in different ways describing the same event but in totally different meanings. Perhaps this is why sermons describing the new birth and its effects is most important.
John Yurich USA wrote: John UK, If a Catholic trusts in Jesus alone for salvation then they are Born Again but if a Catholic does not trust in Jesus alone for salvation then they are not Born Again.
Correct, and then the ones who are born again realise they are not saved by the sacraments but by simple faith in Jesus Christ directly. So they stop attending the mass and confession. Like you, they confess their sins directly to the Lord Jesus at night before they turn in, and if they want to take the bread and wine, they can do so at home because it is simply a remembrance of what the Lord Jesus accomplished at Calvary in AD33 when he died in the place of sinners, taking their sins upon himself, that they might be forgiven and given eternal life. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.
June Annette Nadolny wrote: Hey John, it is good to see you are still contending for the faith once delivered unto the saints and though I have not posted at SA in more recent days, I have been commenting for sometime now on various forums online on articles relating to the ongoing global Roman Catholic clergy abuse scandal. Recently though other priorities have emerged and so I have withdrawn from these discussions as well. Unarguably the RC institution is imploding from within right before our eyes in real time. The cracks in her foundation are becoming deeper and wider and her complete destruction appears very close at hand. God is not mocked! On a more personal note, Ralph is laboring under a number of health problems just now and more of my time and energy is of necessity being directed toward his care. Notwithstanding, we have found that His mercies are new every morning and daily we prove his grace to be sufficient for us. Hope all is well with you John!
I plod on regardless, June. Every day is a day of grace.
Interesting what you say about the RCC imploding, you must have some insider info I've not heard about.
Your husband is fortunate to have a goodwife to support him. Give him regards from his brother John UK.
Lurker wrote: Indeed, John. 1Ti 1:12-17 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. No hand-wringing here. God decisively brings to pass that which He proposes.
Amen brother, that's the very passage I was thinking of. One thing that came out last night was the fact that Saul compelled believers to blaspheme, even to deny their faith through torture. He was a really nasty piece of work. But the Lord knew what he was doing, and permitted it for a reason, even though others of his people suffered.
Lurker wrote: I can only conclude that the commentator could not deal with the fact that Saul was in the state of grace at Stephen's martyr but was kicked out into condemnation on Damascus Road.
We're currently looking at Saul's extraordinary conversion and effectual calling on Sunday nights. What a great example of God's sovereign power to turn a persecutor and Christian-killing machine into an apostle and evangelist who was willing to suffer himself for the sake of the gospel. One can only say, Glory to God for his matchless grace and mercy shown to such an one.
June Annette Nadolny wrote: Shaun Willcock is a Gospel Minister who resides in South Africa. More of his in-depth articles that seek to both inform and encourage Christians in our day can be accessed online at Bible Based Ministries
Good to see you posting again June. I trust Sherlock is okay?
Will wrote: You know, John, speaking of icing the gospel, I bet that takes the psalm that says I've tasted and seen the greatness of the King to a whole new level...
Will, no matter how evil the evil gets, we can remember that The Great King died for the ungodly, and that we are called to love our enemies and hope for their conversion. The apostle Paul classed himself as an example of God's amazing grace towards sinners, and he a persecutor and killer of Christians. There are none too far away that cannot be brought back to God and given a place in heaven.
This is why I like Romans 6:23. It begins with the wage of sin - death, and eternal separation from God in everlasting hell. But.....the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. If any man will lay hold on Jesus Christ, they will be saved, and that, forever.
John Yurich USA wrote: Well then why is Jim against the Anglican Church?
Maybe because of its association with the best Bible ever produced, the King James Version, which Bible you bought a copy of at the Dollar Shop, but which Jim hates. I hope you're still reading that one, John. Pay no attention to his rants against the King James Bible.
Christopher, in your research into Catholicism, especially for your website, what have you dug out regarding a Catholic saying they are born again? I have been looking at the CCC and see that Catholics believe they are born again at baptism, effectively making all Catholics born again (in their eyes, not God's).
Is it therefore a bit of subterfuge when a Catholic describes themself as a born again Catholic? Are they trying to wheedle their way into acceptance by genuine Christians?
Lurker wrote: Thanks, brother. You know me well and you know I'll dig on this matter till God reveals the answer. I recall a few years ago I read a commentary on Phl 3:6 where Paul said of himself: "touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless." Whoever it was who wrote the commentary said it wasn't possible because he was a Pharisee, trained in the law at the feet of Gamaliel. When I read that I couldn't believe it. I thought to myself; we can't believe Paul when he said he was blameless? What else can't we believe? At the time I didn't understand how Paul could have said that but since I've learned that he was right..... because he was not under the law till the commandment came, sin revived and he died. Where there is no law, there is no sin. He was indeed blameless. Anyway, the answer to Paul and eternal life may not be as easy but I'll keep searching. Blessings.
Bro, you may be right about ignorance of the law. Most people in the world do not see themselves as sinners. Yet it could have been referring to the Pharisees' law, which was possible to keep perfectly; these additions to God's law were black and white, and only physical, much easier to keep than God's laws which involved the heart motive.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: As to the birth of our Lord, I believe it should be a cause for daily thanksgiving. We should ever be thankful that the Creator of the whole universe, adored in heaven by seraphims and worshiped by the saints, would leave its glory and splendor and take upon Him the restrictions and limitations of human flesh. That He would voluntarily subject the free exercise of His divine attributes to His Father and live for over 33 years among the rebels of humanity. He suffered under manifold temptations, weariness, hungry, thirst, grief, sorrow, and much more. He was beaten, afflicted, mocked, spit upon, betrayed, and crucified but always kept the goal and joy of redeeming His sheep at the forefront of all He endured. He who knew no sin became my sin substitute because He willing became a babe in Bethlehem. May God give us grace to be ever thankful to Him for His unspeakable gift.
Wonderful words US about our Lord Jesus Christ, God manifest in the flesh, and his purpose and ministry.
Indeed it should be cause for daily thanksgiving, even a daily service; and I don't think the early church messed about with evergreens and fairy lights and baubels to enhance their worship.