This fellow Chalke is no Christian and certainly not a Baptist. He is well known in this country for denying the gospel fundamentals. Little wonder he comes out with stuff like this. The Baalzebub Broadcasting Corporation loves it of course, and will be on hand to film it.
s c wrote: There are no more apostles casting out demons for a sign of confirmation to the word but there are preachers and evangelists.
Ohhhhh, evangelists. Well I know a bit about that, SC.
Acts 8:5-8 KJV (5) Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them. (6) And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did. (7) For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed. (8) And there was great joy in that city.
Acts 21:8 KJV (8) And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him.
I don't know who told you it was only the apostles who cast out devils, but he was wrong.
The church is not powerless, but it is cowardly.
God asks, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?" And 99% of the church says, "Don't send me."
There is POWER in the name of Jesus Christ, and we have His authority.
p.s. there are not enough devils to engage every sinner in the world. They don't breed, you know.
Mike wrote: I could take some issue with that, but instead- The song is about what is it we place our trust in, the solid Rock, which is Christ, or anything else, which is sinking sand. Lest we be speaking past one another here is the refrain: "On Christ, the solid Rock, I stand; All other ground is sinking sand, All other ground is sinking sand." Are either of these statements false doctrine? Do they contradict Scripture in any way?
Hi Mike, As I said, the refrain in terms of theology regarding salvation is true and most wonderful. As is the rest of the hymn.
The problem is that it is based upon Matthew 7 which shows that the building of our life (our house) will only stand firm and not come crashing down around us, if we build upon a solid foundation.
Those that heard the words of Jesus, Matthew 5-7 and did what He said to do, were building on a solid rock. These would be the solid-rock Christians who never faltered nor fell.
Those that heard the words of Jesus, Matthew 5-7 and elsewhere, all His words, and did not do what He said to do, were trying to build on sinking sand. These were the sinking sand Christians who were always falling over and making no headway in their Christian life, always at the mercy of adversity.
Luke 13:11-13 KJV (11) And, behold, there was a woman which had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bowed together, and could in no wise lift up herself. (12) And when Jesus saw her, he called her to him, and said unto her, Woman, thou art loosed from thine infirmity. (13) And he laid his hands on her: and immediately she was made straight, and glorified God.
Luke 13:16 KJV (16) And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?
Luke 8:28-30 KJV (28) When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not. (29) (For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For oftentimes it had caught him: and he was kept bound with chains and in fetters; and he brake the bands, and was driven of the devil into the wilderness.) (30) And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.
Devils in the world are causing much destruction and death today.
Matthew 7:21-27 KJV (21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? (23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (24) Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: (25) And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. (26) And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: (27) And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
Now if you think about it, we rightly joy in being justified through faith. The refrain is correct in that. But where it went wrong was in getting Matt 7 wrong. That is all about works, obeying Christ.
s c wrote: If it fell by the wayside at some point that it is now making a "comeback" then it didn't have much going for it to begin with.
But SC, if it doesn't make a comeback, there are many people in this world who are doomed to be demon-infested their entire life, while the church, having the power to do something about it, refuses to engage.
Okay, you might disagree with me, but then you need to answer the question: Where now are all those tens of thousands of fallen angels, commonly known as devils? Thanks.
B. McCausland wrote: Things may develop unidirectional towards what God has ordained, however, we can take some comfort and inspiration from biblical antecedents of individuals as Mordecai (Est 4), or Hezekiah, who refused by action and prayer to give in to fatalism. What God has twisted no one can straight out (Ecc 7:13), yet the elect of God may find mercy at his throne and God may chose to reverse situations. For instance imminent calamity was aborted after prayer in 2K 19:20 "Then Isaiah the son of Amoz sent to Hezekiah, saying, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, That which thou hast prayed to me against Sennacherib king of Assyria I have heard." Other things changed in this other instance,
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Thank you Sister B for those examples from the word of God, most pertinent.
I know it is a difficult subject, takes some discerning. It is more of a problem for the predestinarian like myself than for, say, er, the, er, Arminist.
Christopher000 wrote: Hi Connor, I like a pretty wide variety. I like Acapella, Michael W Smith, Celtic hymns, love Michelle Tumes, especially her first album, and others. I also like choirs a lot, like National Christian, and Brooklyn Tabernacle, etc.
The problem with hymns is that, like CCM, they are very appealing to the emotions, and have a temporary effect which lasts but for a moment; they can produce tears, joyful outbursts, goosebumps even. But they rarely touch the affections. This is because they are all inspirations of man.
Psalms on the other hand, which all the Jews in the OT and in the early church used to sing in worship, were and still are, the very words of God, inspired by the Spirit of God; thusly, they not only instruct about God and fill us with His word, but they also move the affections.
There is a world of difference between emotions and affections.
One famous ancient argument regarding fatalism was the so-called Idle Argument. It argues that if something is fated, then it would be pointless or futile to make any effort to bring it about. The Idle Argument was described by Origen and Cicero and it went like this:
If it is fated for you to recover from this illness, then you will recover whether you call a doctor or not.
Likewise, if you are fated not to recover, you will not do so whether you call a doctor or not.
But either it is fated that you will recover from this illness, or it is fated that you will not recover.
Therefore, it is futile to consult a doctor. _____________
Just been reading this passage from a wiki article on fatalism.
pennelope wrote: Lisa, would you mind giving a reference? I have his systematic theology, he is a well respected teacher.
I would also like a reference, Lisa.
The church I was at in the 80's also recommended his systematic theology, and I found it quite helpful. I don't remember seeing anything really untoward, regarding justification. I would not have thought he believed in transubstantiation. But a quote would be helpful.
pennelope wrote: Amen JohnUK and Igny! There is a wedding feast coming where every interceder and every martyr and every witness that has been bought by the blood of Christ will go and sit together with their Savior and celebrate. and it isn't going to start until every one of His gets there. Each guest is counted.
What a privilege Penny to not only be a guest, but to be provided with a wedding garment, perfect in every way, the very best. I never spend much on clothes, so that fitted suit is a great joy and cause of celebration, for it is none other than the imputed perfect righteousness of God Himself, given through faith, and without which none shall enter the kingdom of heaven. What a remarkable gift, given to unworthy sinners like me. I will forever glorify God for His great grace.
Lisa wrote: Wayne Grudem - I don't rate him? 1.he was prominent in producing the ESV bible ( yet another hooky bible). 2. I once read some of his writing - and at page 3 or 4 it was clear that he was not promoting salvation by faith alone through grace alone.
Hey Lisa, you've not posted in a long while, good to see you back. How's it going?
It's a serious charge against Wayne Grudem, but you said it was clear from his own writings. Phew! That is serious. And he has written a huge tome on Systematic Theology and many other books, as well as heading up the ESV. Makes me wonder.
Ignominious Emirakan wrote: Hezekiah- 2Ki18:3-7And he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that David his father did. He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan. He trusted in the LORD God of Israel; so that after him was none like him among all the kings of Judah, nor any that were before him. For he clave to the LORD, and departed not from following him, but kept his commandments, which the LORD commanded Moses. And the LORD was with him; and he prospered whithersoever he went forth:
and he rebelled against the king of Assyria, and served him not. I A Godly rebel! 19:19 19 "Now therefore, O LORD our God, I beseech thee, save thou us out of his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art the LORD God, even thou only." A godly rebel's prayer-