America is like no other country in world history with all the freedoms we enjoy. Yet despite having the freedom to educate children religiously what do we do? We turn them over to the state! Oh Lord have mercy upon us and open our eyes to what is going on.
"Be willing to let people leave the church. And I told you earlier the fact that people are gonna leave the church no matter what you do. But when you define the vision, you're choosing who leaves. You say, "But Rick, yes, they're the pillars of the church." Now, you know what pillars are. Pillars are people who hold things up ... And in your church, you may have to have some blessed subtractions before you have any real additions." - Rick Warren
The only Race is the human race! The key to winning a debate is defining key terms and when we discuss problems under the false terms of 'racism' we are fueling false claims. Different levels of melanian in the skin yes, different races no!
B. McCausland wrote: Especially when mothers stay at home. In the rather socialistic Western context, some men's salaries might not exceed the provision of the mere minimums life entails. Seeing the state has taken as the 'provider' in most works of charity, the church could take in to support families in such predicament. After all, evangelizing the world should come second to discipling our own. Only a suggestion "if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he has denied the faith"
Yes, most if not all the homeschool mothers in our area left a career in order to stay home because they felt it was the right thing to do. In other words the new cars, boats, vacations, etc were worth the sacrifice to follow their convictions. What is interesting to those of us who have gone this route is to listen to our fellow christian public school families who have all the newest trappings of the world but say they can't afford to do anything but go the public school route. They are not fooling us and are most certainly not fooling the LORD.
"...."Rev"s need carefully consider whether his church's corporate 501c3 status legally obligates him to use the State marriage license (the legal fact is that it does)....."
The above is the key point. 1. Have churches done irreparable harm by becoming 501C3? i.e. they should have never joined themselves with the civil govt in the 1st place thus keeping marriage where it was invented and intended: in the church. 2. Since churches are 501c3 groups are now beginning to file suits against them to force them into opening their facilities for all civil sanctioned marriages. No one forced churches to put themselves under the jurisdiction of the govt but rather they did it of their own accord.
Having been in the homeschool world for 22 years it has been so ironic to see who does and does not homeschool. Who claims financial woes and who does not. In other words, in our community the christian homeschool families are normally closer to the poverty line then the public school families.
I was making the point that Americans don't like being told what to do and like to feel as if it's their choice. i.e. on the surface they feel it's their choice to send their children to public school but truth is they send them because it's on someone else's dime!
Americans are fiercely independent ....the majority choose Public Schools but are fine with that because they feel its their choice...but once Homeschooling is gone they will begin the attack on private schooling. In other words, as a American I support others choice-just not on my dime!
Mike wrote: No wedding or marriage is involved in buying a house or a car. God says nothing about their purchase, but much about his design for marriage. Different animal. The cake is symbolic of the wedding itself, not so the car or the house.
Please don't misunderstand. The issue is over what God hath said. i.e. Homosexuals can do everything others can do today, the issue is the term marriage because it is tied back to what God hath said and they want to challenge that.
But, you say the baker should refuse to bake a cake for such a event. What about the facility (owned by a realtor)that rents their building out for events? What about the Limo service (car dealer) that rents for events?
It looks to me that bakers can't win either way. If don't make a cake they get sued, if they make the cake "christians" say they are condoning the event. i.e. we seem to hold bakers to a higher standard then we hold the rest of society. Do we expect realtors not to sell to a gay couple? Do we expect car dealers not to sell to a gay couple? Do we expect bakers not to sell to gay couples? hmm!