Let's see here. The city council says the preachers have no right to speak on morality. Yet the City council is making a Moral judgment and statement by doing so. So the City council has the right to make Moral Statements, but no one else does. Does that about sum it up?
After hearing of this I e mailed the dept. This: I just read a news article in which Ky. DOJJ has ordered a Pastor to stop telling people homosexuality is a sin. I don't know if this article is true, but if it is. This is setting a bad president, that will lead to states coming into churches to do the same. Freedom of religious expressing (I'm speaking of course of non violent) is being hampered in the public arena already. Please do not add to it.
And this is the response I got.
"H. DJJ staff, volunteers, interns, and contractors, in the course of their work, shall not refer to juveniles by using derogatory language in a manner that conveys bias towards or hatred of the LGBTQI community. DJJ staff, volunteers, interns, and contractors shall not imply or tell LGBTQI juveniles that they are abnormal, deviant, sinful, or that they can or should change their sexual orientation or gender identity." I guess they are "Open and Inclusive" unless you are a Christian.
Joe the Protestant wrote: Know I know who Moniker Man is. What I don't know is; Why he singles out Kohn UK, why, or How, he can possibly believe John UK is any kind of hyper Arminian, and why he introduces it into every topic regardless of what the topic is.
Sorry for all the misspellings. My spell check doesn't work.
chineham wrote: Tell me John (or BM) What is this quote "spiritual ability" unquote which you both refer to? Since you separate it from 'faith' is it a separate quality or ability which God provides prior to faith? Or do you Wesley guys get a magic wand issued to you along with faith? Or are we back to faith being an entirely human faculty again?
Know I know who Moniker Man is. What I don't know is; Why he singles out Kohn UK, why, or How, he can possibly believe John UK is any kind of hyper Arminian, and why he introduces it into every topic regardless of what the topic is.
Mike wrote: Can anyone even find an ASV? Does anyone here have one?
Hi Mike. If you are talking about the American standard Version of 1901, I got one several years ago from Trinity Bapt. Church in Montville New Jersey. the broadcast on this site. Check out their web site and see if their bookstore still has it.
Dave wrote: I have an American standard version. And the new American standard bible. Jim are you suggesting that when Philip baptised the Ethiopian that proclaiming Jesus Christ Is the son of God too be some catholic insertion of scripture,? And am I correct in assuming from your comment if a person uses only the kjv or nkjv you view them similar to J.ws? Interesting viewpoint Jim.god blrss
Hi Dave. If you are talking about the American standard Version of 1901, I got one several years ago from Trinity Bapt. Church in Montville New Jersey. the broadcast on this site. Check out their web site and see if their bookstore still has it.
FG wrote: John Stott contends (and let's see if anyone can understand THIS)that man evolved from apes into something called the "homo genus" or "homo erectus" and God chose one among those, the "homo divinus", to stamp His image on. Now that's not too much of a stretch, is it? Or maybe Tim Keller, who cannot apologetically reconcile his theistic evolutionary theory with Rom 5:12 "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin;" so he chooses what he calls "the messy approach", whatever that is. Irrespective of where you look, the goal of theistic evolutionists is to force the scriptures to conform with their theories. Now I have to ask myself the question, why in the world is this so important to them, when the scriptures are witness to many of the supernatural acts of God. But for whatever reason, the supernatural is not allowed in creation. And the worse part about it is that this is becoming a growing trend in the church.http://images.sa-media.com/images/smilies/thumbsdown.gif
I'm not surprised by Keller, but I'm really disappointed to hear that about Stott. Just goes to show that people you think are solid, may have some terrible erroneous area. Special Creation affects every other doctrine.
Christopher000 wrote: Having everyone else in mind, I did give this some thought and realize I've probably been overdoing it commenting so often. Personally, I couldn't care less if everyone posted their thoughts every few seconds, but that's me. I can't say I understand why anyone would be bothered in any way but will make an attempt not to be so vocal in case it does.
If it makes any difference, you are one of my favorite posters. Your posts are thorough, thoughtful, and well worded.
Frank wrote: Romans 7:21-25 was written in the present tense, so Paul was not attempting to describe some pre-salvation state. What was his position in Christ when he wrote this? All of the apostles were sinners and remained sinners but under the grace and mercy of our Lord. While all of us are to live perfect lives, none of us even come close to that and Paul simply understood that. Verse 25 is the most blessed verse concerning this issue. If he was in his unregenerate state this verse would make no sense and couldnāt be true.  I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.  For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:  But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.  O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?  I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. (Rom 7:21-25 KJV)
Thanks Frank. Our pastor just finished preaching on that text, and pointed out five things that showed this to be post conversion.
pennnned wrote: we tend to romanticize persecution, as if its in some kind of pure form, folks, it won't be like that.... (please continue speaking the name of Christ!) what are you all going to do when the sodomites of Gomorrah show up at your door asking for your sons? and when you say "no" they call it "h@te" and call in the authorities? to think we can just sit this out and then face our moment of glory is not what's happening here. they are eliminating every border and protection that family and society (as in God ordained) has put around the youth.
Thank you for your posts. As always, this on is right on target.
Pastor A.N. Martin related a story of seminary student that came to the professor (possibly Martin was the prof) and said "I have grown to a much larger intellectual understanding, and no longer believe the Bible is inerrant or that Christianity holds all the truth" (or something of that sort)Upon which, the professor said "What is her name". The problem was, the student was involved in a situation he knew to be unpleasing to God. Something similar is probably going on here. The question for this author might be "What's His name"
Frank wrote: I do know that whenever we go places we see folks using their smart phones and it always looks like they are addicted and in some kind of world of their own. I have always felt a little uneasy about social networking sites because I simply donāt trust most people and I donāt want people interfering with or being able to monitor my life.
It's interesting. Back in the 70s I used to work in a biker bar as a bouncer, and later as a musician. If this technology had been used there and then with people taking pictures of you and posting them, and tweeting about you. That would have only happened once. Then they would have never been able to text aging. Unless they learned to do it with their toes. As wild as I was in those days, the cliental scared me. The pendulum has certainly swung too far in the other direction.
carl h wrote: My wife is addicted. She must check fb at least 50 times a day. Earlier it was 4 times in 10 mins. :'(
My prayers are with you Carl. It's difficult to find a church here in the states where people are not texting during the entire church service, or playing games on them. I know some get the bible on them, but these folks are texting to the extent it's hard not to be distracted.
Mike wrote: I think the flag controversy is just to get people's minds off the real issue.. The forgiveness of Christ for the most wicked sinners. The media made this the issue when the victims family members came out and forgave this young man for his wickedness. It's too bad the mainstream. Churches have jumped on board with the Media instead of showing the love of Christ and His grace.
Exactly! It's media misdirection. They could not stand to see the church acting like the church. The media and leftist want to see strife.