Dave wrote: Jim you'd get more out of your posts and links if you just turn your computer,pad or phone towards a mirror,city's you are the only one that's is foolish enough to dare mock God and his word, :-) Still No rain mate, I see you guys have a real problem unfolding in Colorado springs
Dave, has the King James translators themselves pointed out,
1 Corinthians 14 8 For if the bugle produces an indistinct sound, who will prepare himself for battle? 9 So also you, unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air. 10 There are, perhaps, a great many kinds of languages in the world, and no kind is without meaning. 11 If then I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be to the one who speaks a barbarian, and the one who speaks will be a barbarian to me.---NASB
They expected newer translations that were better to come along - - and they did. Now, people like Dan Wallace, don't like the [UR=http://www.bible-researcher.com/nkjv.html>New King James Version and think it is only good for translating the KJV. I know you use it, and I like it - - and it is in contemporary English.
Genesis 9:5Â And for your lifeblood I will require a reckoning: from every beast I will require it and from man. From his fellow man I will require a reckoning for the life of man. 6Â âWhoever sheds the blood of man, Â Â Â Â Â by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.---ESV
I'm glad to see that SermonAudio has taken notice of this evil behavior of killing a policeman and two bystanders. At the present time, one doesn't know if the location has a link to this killer's behavior. I don't know Colorado has capital punishment, but I assume they're going to have this individual on there welfare roll, otherwise known as penal detention for quite a while.
Well, enlistments are up for the French military. Hollande may or may not do something about Isis, time will tell the French government will do something. Since they make it a more conservative government in the next election, I'll be interesting to see what they will do.
Not only that, Mike, but I don't think the deals were as good this year as some of them have been in the past. Shoppers might be getting a little more savvy in checking out bargains throughout the year also.
I see that black Friday is becoming a thing and Great Britain also.
Let's go children of the fatherland, The day of glory has arrived! Against us tyranny's Bloody flag is raised! (repeat) In the countryside, do you hear The roaring of these fierce soldiers? They come right to our arms To slit the throats of our sons, our friends! --- translation of part of, La Marseillaise
Ariel Hendleman wrote: What is kabbalah? Depending on when you ask me, I have a different answer. The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know. But I would say kabbalah is like the âwhyâ of everything. In Judaism, thereâs a lot of focus on what youâre supposed to do, how youâre supposed to do it, and at what time. Kabbalah asks, why? I think thatâs what kabbalah really talks about and itâs what got me interested in my Judaism in the first place. I wasnât interested in someone saying to me, âAt 6:18, this is what you have to do, and this is what you canât do on this day.â I grew up as a very Reform Jew in New York City. What was taught to us was, âBe proud to be Jewish, be proud of Israel, but Judaism is about doing what you want, how you want. You decide what it means to be a good person and how you want to be a good person.â ....
Mystycism should be eschewed by the Christian Mysticism
s c wrote: ... What Christians do know,however,is that it is good to give thanks to the Lord EVERY day!
Timothy 2:1 First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, 2 for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. 3 This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.---ESV
I see the "newamerican," is spouting nonsense about history and government again.
Actually, since there was a store I was going to visit right near where we ate thanksgiving dinner, was really quite busy, and if I had waited today, I wouldn't have gotten what I was planning to, though admittedly I could have very well lived without it.
Black Friday wasn't all that crowded, though I had a very scaled back wants for this year anyway, and except for the item I bought last night, I got everything I wanted. So, due to the weather, Thursday shopping, oh and a football game here in town, the stores weren't very busy, but then I started out fairly late in the morning, there was nothing to get my out of bad early.
They only be insulting and blasphemous, Dave, is if I complimented a bad Bible like the KJV
Doug Kutilek wrote: .... Let me say it again--the sole justification for producing and publishing any Bible translation is so that those who do not understand the words in the original languages can nevertheless gain access to them through words they do understand in their own language.... And I could write at length of the KJV's fourfold reference to the Holy Spirit, Third Person of the Trinity, as "it" (John 1:32; Romans 8:16, 26; I Peter 1:11), which in my opinion comes little short, if indeed it comes short at all, of blasphemy. Baptist theologian Emery Bancroft ascribed this horrid translation to Socinian influence among the KJV translators (see Emery H. Bancroft, CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY, [Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1961; revised edition], pp. 147-8). The Socinian doctrine of the Holy Spirit was roughly the same as that of the Jehovah's Witnesses, whose translation--alone of modern Bible versions--also refers to the Holy Spirit as "it...."
What question was that, Dave? we really should be discussing Bibles in English anyway - - not something in the Elizabethan. I don't consider anything that isn't in contemporary English. of course this fellow also makes a good point.
"I believe it is misguided for fundamental Baptists to defend a version of the Bible based on a Greek text, prepared by a liberal Roman Catholic, translated by Episcopalians and authorized by a king who hated Baptists. While they reject translations based on a Greek text approved by all the great scholars and early fundamental leaders and translated by good Bible believing scholars from all groups, including Baptists. A.T. Robertson was the greatest Greek scholar America ever produced. He was a conservative Baptist and approved of the American Standard Version. This irony is strange indeed when fundamental Baptists take sides with Episcopalians and Catholics and reject their own."--- Which Bible?
Anything that isn't in contemporary English can only be of historical interest, as far as I'm concerned - - or for that matter that should be the interest of anybody else.
Yes, very serious error the KJV adding to God's Word! Also stay away from brush fires!
Philippians 4:4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice.Â 5Â Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand;6Â do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God.Â 7Â And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.Â
8Â Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.Â 9Â What you have learned and received and heard and seen in meâpractice these things, and the God of peace will be with you.Â ---ESV
Apparently a lot of people have to stop thinking of politics!
BM, The difficulty of the KJV I have not exaggerated. Read the complete section Of this Particular article nn The difficulty Of understanding the KJV.
Pamela Starr Dewey wrote: ...Â the King James Version is very difficult for most children, teens, and beginning Bible students in general to comprehend.Â There is no doubt that someone who has studied the KJV Bible for years, with the assistance of commentaries, Bible dictionaries and such, can eventually read it without stumbling over the archaic phraseology and obsolete words. But to think that thus the average reader "ought" to be able to easily read it is not being honest with the facts. It is doubtful if any KJVO critics have insisted that the KJV was difficult for the average educated person to read back in 1611. It was intended to be a "popular" version which could be understood by the masses. But that says nothing about its "readability" in the 21stÂ century.
Dr. John Weldon wrote: It is one thing to have made a reasonable argument for oneâs claims. If true, then others must give such claims serious consideration. But it is another thing entirely to have a case so tenuous that its primary support must often be based upon poor logic, misrepresentation, wild allegations, or inflammatory falsehoods.
Dramatic claims require dramatic proof. Arguments of major corruption in modern conservative translations must really be documented, not just made to look good. Allegations that godly Christians are actually opposed to Christ and part of a devilish conspiracy to have everyone worship Satan are extremely serious. This is why those who make such charges must âbe held to the highest standards of scholarly acumen and accuracy.â Of course, almost every philosophy, religion, cult, world view, etc., can make what seems like a good defense for its positionâat least until the other side is examined.
Dr. John Weldon wrote: ...Only the unwise rush to say something before thinking it through. âHe who answers before listeningâthat is his folly and his shameâ (Prov. 18:13, NIV).
In light of this, consider a few comments by those who have thoroughly studied the KJVO debate. Doug Kutilek writes, âJust once before I die, I want to pick up a book that advocates KJV Onlyism and find that the author at least gets his facts straight. Of the armload that I have examined so far, not one of them is even moderately factually accurate. I suspect thisâŚ is because none of the KJV OnlyâŚ advocates do any serious original research but merely rely on [their] unreliable predecessors.â
Dr. D. A. Carson observes, âTheir presuppositionsâŚhave made most of them careless about determining the truth of many of their oft repeated contentions, with the result that not only their interpretation of the facts is incorrect, but also their alleged âfactsâ are far too often simply untrue.â...
Dr. John Weldon wrote: ...James White, author of what may become the definitive refutation of the KJVO position, The King James Version Only Controversy (Bethany, March, 1995) and president of Alpha and Omega Ministries told us:
Generally speaking, KJV Only writers have no interest in being fair or impartial in their handling of the manuscript and textual data of Scripture. They also have little desire to accurately or honestly reflect the opinions of those with whom they disagree. Indeed, there is no effort made to appreciate the strengths of the positions of anyone who would speak a word against the inerrancy of the KJV.
The problem this raises is that sincere Christians who read KJV Only materials do not realize that proponentsâ citation of historical facts is always skewed. However, the most consistent problem with KJV Only authors is their use of double standards. For example, the very arguments that would completely disprove the inspiration and inerrancy of the KJV itself are used with regularity against modern versions.