Ignominious Emirakan wrote: the most accurate Bible in our own language (In English, it is the KJV)
1. Ancient Hebrew, as a language,only existed in the Scriptures. Before the Scriptures...Ancient Hebrew just did not exist. For a 1,000 years Hebrew was the only written language God used to communicate with until the Aramaic language resulted from a mix of the Hebrew with the Persian with Hebrew LOSING its picture-language character which unfaithful scribes being the culprit. So about 150 B.C. God altered the primary language to Greek.
2.Paul wrote to Rome in Greek...not in their tongue Latin.
Hidden away in Constantinople were Greek manuscripts for a thousand years until 1450 which would be the ones which William Tyndale would translate the NT. Yes he used others but his comments of "The Greek tongue agreeth more with the English than with the Latin. And the properties of the Hebrew tongue agreeth a thousand times more than with the Latin."
3. As Ancient Hebrew was not a language, neither was English in the form which Tyndale would begin with to translate God's Word(Zeph 3:9).Tyndale sought to shape English to best express the picture language character Ancient Hebrew has and once again God's Word was in a picture language.
Kev wrote: Hey James the law says they should of stoned her but she wasn't under the law...
My comments are made with the focus on the Pharisees and who their guide was before hearing the 'Word'. They started out with Moses being their guide and after having the law written on their heart by hearing the "Word" they were convicted by their own conscience. Conscience I think is another term for the heart.
Kev wrote: Not by the hand not by the letter but the conscience being led by the Spirit:
Jeremiah 31:31-33 31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel,
33 ... I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts
Most Excellent Kev. Great example.
Pharisees came with... John 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us..
Then they heard... Romans 10..So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
This is how He put 'His law' in inward parts of he Pharisees.
John 8:6 with his finger wrote(Jer. 31:33) on the ground(Their stony hearts were in the ground.)...
Luke 8:15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it.
1. Why did the Pharisees not obey the law that Moses gave? Per their law they should have stoned here...but they had a 'change of heart' They had a new one written on their hearts by hearing 'the Word' of God.
2 Cor3:3 in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
Seems like the "tables have turned" in John 8 on some Pharisees....otherwise they would have obeyed Moses.
Mike wrote: That's because conservatives still have their senses, Jim. We don't have Chick-fil-A's around here, but I did go to one in Ohio. Very good chicken! Didn't try their coffee, though. Don't even know if they sell it. If they did, it would be better than Starbucks. The stuff I make is better than Starbucks.
Chick-fil- A's coffee is good. Had one just a few days ago.
John UK wrote: If the passage was saying that Jesus was writing the law into their hearts, they would have been born again. And I don't think they were.
That is fine Bro. I simply cant ignore the traits of both picture and sound existing in the Ancient Hebrew language and translated to fit like a glove(not literal, but you get the picture) into English.
William Tyndale was quite aware of it and used it to 'shape the foundation'(not literally but you see the picture) of our English language today.
Paul was aware of it as he uses Deut 25:4 and 1 Cor. 9:9 as an example...
Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn.
Doth God take care for oxen? Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? (Not literally, but you get the picture.)
The topic is not how to garden but on keeping silent(muzzle) those(Oxen) who preach(treadeth) the gospel(corn).
Its a picture language Brother so the common man would relate and understand the pure language....see Zeph. 3:9
"Getting the picture" not you receiving an 8 x 10 but receiving the picture in your mind and coming to an understanding of what I am describing.
John UK wrote: No problem St James. But I think your recent revelation is a bit far fetched. Others have said that Jesus was writing certain commandments in the sand, and it was this that convicted them. But there's no real support for either. Thanks Sr Penny, a most relevant text to the discussion.
I've seen nothing in Scripture to support what others have said. Nothing.
I however did provide the support in Scripture in other portions necessary for consideration for the one I mentioned....then I would say not so far fetched.
Just sharing Scripture of what was shone to me on what seems to be an example of prophecy and fulfillment that may be relevant to the conversation.
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
John 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
John 8:6 ... But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground,
He wrote on the ground of their hearts. (See Luke 8:15 as a test...good ground = good heart).
John 8:9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience.
The pharisees came to Jesus using law of Moses as the measuring stick accusing and left using their conscience aka heart freshly written upon.
Martin Luther's quote from 500 years ago bares repeating as I was reminded of it typing this post.
"My conscience is my guide, Scripture is my Authority. And I can do no other than abide by His teachings. Here I stand. God help me."
Lurker wrote: The purpose of circumcision/baptism is to bring one into the bond of a covenant. Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ....
The Decalogue and the Levitical Law is a covenant (Deut 4:13). You are either bound to it by John's baptism or free from it by Christ's baptism.
Thank you Brother for this post. Most edifying and very well said.
I could not help but think of a few verses in the Gospel of John while reading your post...
The body of Christ which I believe is the same as flesh is mentioned here.
John 1:14 ....and 'the Word' became flesh.
And as far as Christ's baptism....
John 15:3 Now are ye clean through 'the Word'.
As far as his commandments...
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments (my commandments... which are found in 1 John 3:21-23) , and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will show mine own self to him.
John 6:63 'The words' that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life
B. McCausland wrote: your position seemed difficult to follow, or grasp, never mind to adhere, and this is why it was not considered.
If something is difficult to follow, ask questions.
Most are willing to share what they know with those who ask and have a desire to learn.
I have learned that ONLY the listener is the one learning in a conversation which makes feedback that precious commodity the speaker desires. I think the bible calls it iron sharpening iron and this yields benefits for both as well as anyone LISTENING. A win win situation.
Christopher000 wrote: Ok then, James and John...thanks for the encouragement. Maybe I'll put it together then. I'll put it in the kindest possible of ways, but my other thing was that I have my doubts it'll be received well. Personally, I've always appreciated constructive criticism from people looking from the outside in. Honestly, we're it not for these, I probably wouldn't be aware of some of my shortcomings. The difference between myself and some though, is that I welcome it with an open mind. Whenever someone has ever said, "Chris, you're this, or that", or, "Chris, you do this or that", etc, my response is normally, "Yeah, I know...I'm working on that". That's the difference that some just don't seem to be capable of...honest introspection, or a defensive posture.
When you are receiving flack.....it just means you are flying over the target.