Thank you for looking into it. I would challenge what Matthew Henry has decided this to mean. Look into the usage of the term "former things" the other 13 times in Scripture and you will see that the understanding of it referring to the old covenant.
Edit: After reading through this again, I would not challenge what Mr Henry said as he is right. My point is to take it a bit deeper than what he has spoken of as just prophecy in regard to the judgment that would come. My point is that prophecy spoken of is the old covenant and things thereof.
Marcus G wrote: This thread is almost gone, but just a couple thoughts from me. After reading through Observer's post, I must say I find it a little sad that many of us consider things that GOD commanded many years ago to be "playing with fire". Or even that things He once said were abominations (totally abhorrent to Him) would now be considered quite ok. Do we really worship an unchanging God, or does He in fact change over time? The Messiah's death and resurrection accomplished so many special, important and life changing things! But how did it make sin NOT sin??
Isaiah 48:3 speaks of the "former things". They were only given to the obstinate. These are the very same things you speak of.
God Bless A few thoughts to add to your discussion.
On the Scripture interprets Scripture...
Proverbs 3:5-6 (KJV)
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
"Our own understanding" is what we can refer to as a presupposition we imply on Scripture in order to fit our "systematic theology" and such is the lens we define not only His Word but How God operates in our lives today.
And this lens is to be defined from what a man has thought or said about what God has said or what God has declared by His own means(John 6:45)?
His Word contains:
1.Prophecy and fulfillment.
4.Self validation (Truths will repeat in Scripture.)
Using these God given guidance tools assist us in navigating His Word with an open mind that's simply desires to know what God meant by what he said and deal with His truth with reverence and fear.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
Look to Job Chapters 1-3 for examples of how God permits events that are devastating in our lives today but yet has a purpose which is disclosed in the end.
John UK wrote: Fellow saint and biblicist James. Yes that is very good and pertinent to the question. If the born again one does not sin, then of course he keeps the 4th commandment, because if he doesn't he is sinning. As for sin lurking at the door, I'm fairly certain it is not a person or a spirit, but something to do with the inner man or conscience. Or do you have something on that?
I do but lets leave it for another time.
Brother....I pray your leave is profitable in all aspects of God's gracious will. May He use you as a tool to bless all you interact with.
John UK wrote: Greetings to you James in Jesus name. Just butting in to your comment to Dave, as he is away in the Land of Nod currently. But if our heart is not one with God and submissive to his direction in his word, what did the new birth accomplish? Is that it, bro?
All spiritual blessings to you Saint John of Wales.
Your flow of thoughts are a good summary....let me add some to it.
1 John 3:4-5 (KJV) 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1 John 3:9 (KJV) 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
And God's seed is sown in what?...
1 Corinthians 15:43 (KJV) 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
Weakness = sin dishonor = Romans 8:8
An aside: Look at Genesis 4:7...sin in this verse is not a verb (action) but a noun(person, place, or thing). I thought that was interesting.
Dave wrote: Are we still under the Sinai covenant, or was that given to us or a people that lived long ago called ? Israelites/ Hebrews. C'mon let's have a look through my lens. I've slept prayed and our discussion if you could call it that, I have much I wish to ask, but I will say this pleasantries aside, I'm dumbfounded at the way you carried on with a train of thought and then even now making out that's Wasn't your intention. Bulldust. So you will blindly argue against scripture, I'm sorry, but your the second person on here who has shown their understanding to be inferior by labeling me .
Dave , Have a look at Romans 7:25 As a help. As far as label... The only one that matters is the name in which He has given us....His name....Christians.
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Enjoying the fellowship on this site is something that I would say is a reason why we are here. Debate for debate sake is for the flesh only. Continually calling out others for their position on certain aspects of their belief of what Scripture says....does not demonstrate what many here desire to partake in.
At this point your target is Brother Lurker who you disagree with. That's okay. Leave it at the "agree to disagree" state. All is good.
But your insistence on inserting the jabs like....
"I have commented on here for a long time, and I don't recall ever being steamrolled as I have on this thread for questioning another's faulty logic."
Is consistent with many others here...Brother Lurker is only the next one you have addressed with your candor
Lurker You have said you are zealous for Scripture. But if that is so, then why do you get so upset when I quote it?
You need to accept reproof Hranek!
John Yurich, You apparently don't know a thing about homeschooling
UPS, Are you arrogant enough to believe...
Dear Kenny, Do you perfectly understand and apply everything in scripture?
Brother Lurker....it is yet another example of what I commented on back on 2/27 of what was simply an observation of mine at first. It seems to not be just mine alone. I had not noticed that common misspelling so thank you for bringing that one to light.
Brother John UK....Words of wisdom indeed in your comment.
Mike, Your post hit the mark. The choice of a Mormon against a Muslim for a Christian voting their conscience proved to have quite an effect on our country that was not intended by the Christian abstaining or 3rd party voting, but yet was a result of their actions or inactions.
TMC wrote: @ Lurker 1. "So how do we know the books/scroll is a figure of the Decalogue? Rom 2:12." If I understand you correctly you think the scroll equals the books equals the law equals the Decalogue? I honestly can't find any thing that leads me to assume that "law" means only the Decalogue. Have I missed a verse somewhere?
Brother Lurker is quite capable of commenting on your comments but if I may add an observation from Revelation Ch. 5 and Ch. 6 that may help...
The Lamb became worthy to open the book (verse9) in which was sealed.
When the book was opened in Ch. 6, what happened? Judgment.
By what means does God judge? The law.
Read through these two chapters with the thought of it being the law.
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John UK wrote: Brother James, greetings in the name of the Lord. Can you go a little further and give a suitable explanation of why the prefigured Christ in the passage is referred to by name as the everlasting father?
Sorry for the late reply to your question Brother. This thread grows quicker than weeds.
The covenant which is everlasting....The prefigured Christ is the Father of as He fulfilled the law. He inaugurated the NC Hebrews 7:22
Think on the order of how the Jews referred to Abraham as their Father. John 8:56
All the names in verse 6....are referenced to the son which is the subject in verse 6 of Isaiah Chapter 9.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.
Isaiah 9:6-7 (KJV) 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
The Jews were looking for a literal king to rule their literal country because that was what they understood the Scripture to say. Some still hold to that thought today. We know Messiah has come in Jesus Christ. The government that shall be upon his shoulder is the new covenant in which He inaugurated on the cross....Hebrews 7:22 This makes Jesus the guarantor of a better covenant. Reading verse 7.....there shall be no end to his government, his kingdom, his covenant of grace....all the same thing.