Thank you and Self-Defense Many thanks to Kevin and Em for getting fathers and daughters to think more deeply, more biblically, and honor and obey the laws of God to glorify Him more! Tremendous insights by both of you. Even if one doesn't agree with every single point you make, I agree wholeheartedly in the desire to discern the culture and obey God and His laws at all times. Regading self-defense (the one area you say there's not a strong Biblical base for), I hear you, but I think there definitely is a basis for it (Jesus told disciples to sell something a buy a sword if they didn't have one), but it is not an atomistic right, but is a subset of the even more important Biblical right to defend one's family and in just (primarily defensive) war as outlined Biblically by Augustine and other church fathers. Please pray for all us fathers to lead better by example and word in discerning the culture, fighting evil and encouraging our children on this same pathway of obeying and honoring God. The cultural nephilim are daunting and ubiquitous but all things are possible with God. Like David against Goliath, we, the fathersr, as well as our sons and daughters can defeat any nephilim that rises up against the knowledge of God and we can and shall defeat them through Christ, our Lord Sabaoth!