Christopher000 wrote: Ivan, what I think is this: You once loved America and wanted to eventually have the privilege of calling yourself an American and have an American flag blowing in the wind hung up high on a pole on your new front lawn. But...you were denied a green card, destroying your dream of ever becoming an American and now you are bitter, hating the America that you once loved. How'd I do?
God speaks of two different Jerusalems. One is the earthly one we initially think of, but the other is â€śJerusalem aboveâ€ť which is made up of all the true believers: â€śBut Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.â€ť (Galatians 4:26) In Isaiah 40:1-2 God speaks of â€śJerusalem above.â€ť We know it is the â€śJerusalem aboveâ€ť because God says her iniquity is pardoned; only the true believers have their iniquities pardoned. There God says the believers have received double for their sins: â€śComfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God. Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD's hand double for all her sins.â€ť (Isaiah 40:1-2)
And once more I say or ask the question are you a child of the night?in which case the following will apply "HE will come as a thief in the night !
or are you a child of the Day in which case you will know when the MASTER comes!
We can not know how "GOD" spoke and created the entire universe either but we believe it
The double inheritance the believers have received is illustrated by Christ suffering twice: ONCE TO PAY FOR THE SINS AND THE SECOND TIME TO "DEMONSTRATE"HIS LOVE.
His work is applied to them and so, in that sense, the result is the same as if the believers had made the payment themselves. This is why they too are referred to as the firstborn: â€śFor whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.â€ť (Romans 8:29)
The firstborn receive a double inheritance: â€śThen it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn: But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.â€ť (Deuteronomy 21:16-1
John UK & others in answer again to your query be sure to "WATCH " today.
The Double Inheritance
The Bible calls Christ â€śthe firstborn from the deadâ€ť: â€śAnd he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.â€ť (Colossians 1:18)
In principle, the elect were there making payment for their sins through Christ: â€śI am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.â€ť (Galatians 2:20) We have to be careful how we understand this fact. Christ did all the work required to save the believers; they did not contribute in any way.
We find another passage in Hebrews which teaches that Christ already suffered before Creation, but He suffered once again at the cross: â€śFor Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.â€ť (Hebrews 9:24-26)
end....then this will conclude the matter as they say !
Christ said this on Friday and His resurrection was not till Sunday, so if He was spiritually in Heaven on Friday then He could not have died spiritually. Only his physical body died on the cross. The payment for sin would have required both his body and soul to die. Therefore, what He did on the cross was a demonstration, not the actual payment. The actual payment took place before the world began and that is when He was begotten as He was raised from spiritual death.
to continue.....next the conclusion of the matter.BTW John Uk seems to think that this ties to the end times and has asked everyone he comes in contact with this question so I thought John deserves his answer.
The Greek word translated as â€śforeordainedâ€ť (proginosko) should have been translated â€śforeknownâ€ť as it is everywhere else it is found in the Bible, but the translators couldnâ€™t make sense of why Christ would be known as the Lamb slain way back before Creation. Therefore, they chose to use the word â€śforeordained,â€ť changing the meaning of this verse to indicate that it was merely preplanned for Christ to be slain. However, this verse is really teaching that He had already been slain.
We know that Christ did not actually die spiritually on the cross. We know this because He told the thief that he would be with Him in paradise that day: "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise." (Luke 23:43)
Now we know that Christ went to the cross so He could demonstrate His love: â€śIn this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.â€ť (1 John 4:9) Judicially, it wasnâ€™t necessary for Christ to go to the cross, but He endured suffered a second time out of love to demonstrate to the elect what He had already done for them before time began.
We find this reiterated in First Peter where we are told Christ was already the Lamb slain before time began, but He did it again â€śin these last times for youâ€ť: â€śBut with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for youâ€ť (1 Peter 1:19-20)
John uk and others,perhaps this will be of some help. So Why The Cross?
A logical question at this point is, â€śIf Christ already made the payment before this world was created, then why did He go to the cross?â€ť Christ had already made the payment for sin prior to Creation, so from a judicial standpoint there was no need for Christ to go to the cross. This is why God recorded that no sin was found in Christ: â€śThen said Pilate to the chief priests and to the people, I find no fault in this man.â€ť (Luke 23:4) In the past weâ€™ve always understood this to be stating the obvious: Jesus Himself never sinned. We would say He was carrying our sins, but He Himself was without sin. However, now we can better understand why God put this in the Bible. True, Jesus Himself was without sin, but at that point He wasnâ€™t carrying the electâ€™s sins either because they had already been paid for before Creation.
Great Sermon! My dearest brother Don.I must be careful here to worship the Creater rather than the creature.You have been a constant inspiration to me,but this sermon has opened so many spiritual doors for me.I too incurred the wrath of my father under very similar circumstances,and spent many an hour asking God...Why!By His grace,I have learnt to no longer ask why,but to give thanks in everything...not always easy,but as He promised,always a blessing.I know you long to go home....but not quite yet,please Lord!A lot of us need you here.May our Lord bless your ministry for many a year to come.But above all this,may His will be done.Love you brother...ivan
You're impressed with the "evangelical giants" of today are you? I cannot say the same. Too many are puffed up with intellectualism; where they feel more inclined to scrutinize and change the word of God rather than the other way around. The Mormons that you mentioned have made exactly the opposite mistake with the purity of God's word...they have added to it.
Great Sermon! My dearest and beloved brother Don,you have preached right to my heart with this "Grace Filled"sermon.May the Lord bless you and yours.You are like a tree, planted by the river,bringing forth fruit in due season...