Mr Dawkins is deluded in his position, he was recently invited to appear on "Revelation television" his office asked with whom he would be debating.

Once he found out he would be up against Christian men of high intelectual standing he declined the invitation.

This just proves he is a self publicist whom is out only to make money from the easily deluded.

So brothers and sisters, let us pray sincerely for Mr Dawkins salvation as we would pray for a family member.

Here in Scotland I have repeatedly written and complained about the police attitude to Christians, particularly street preachers...

In an extended conversation with a senior officer whom openly admitted that one streat preacher was "ambushed" by a group of gay men, he had no other course of action but arresting the Preacher for "hate crimes" because he had the apparent audacity to quote scripture at the gay activists when telling them that sinners were hell bound.

Now to be fair it is possible that the preacher did cause offence, but where I argued is free speach and the right to free religious expression, the senior officer whom confessed to be a Christian said he had no alternative but to arrest and imprison the preacher as he had caused offence. !!!

If your assertions are correct, (and I for one don't think thay are)then I am guilty or rather was guilty of being in your words "mentally deranged etc".

Many years before our Heavenly Fathers Grace touched my life I was a hard bitten communist and probably fell into what you would characterise as deranged etc.

My dear brother, surely this is a time to display our love for the lost. Not to assasinate there character/personality because they hold a sadly misguided view.

Now if you are correct and these folks are indeed phsycotic etc do you think they are beyond the Fathers love? If so then you certainly believe in a different God than me.

A few years ago there was an active campaign with posters at bus stops, full size posters along the sides of buses asserting in bold letters "THERE IS NO GOD"
One bus driver that I am aware of, a Christian, lost his job because he refused to drive a vehicle with the offending poster on it......

Whether folk are active or passive in their stance against God and Christianity, only means that they are in need of of Christ in their lives.

As for "Christians taking a stand" may I with humility say, that rather than take a stand, we "take to our knees in prayer for them.

We have spent many hours together over many decades in all weathers and in countless locations. RIP my friend

I agree with Scott the old look was dark, I was pleasently surprised, then smiled broadly when I clicked on my fav's link to SA.

Can't you, or will you ever accept that you DON'T have exclusivity in scriptural interpretation?

It seems to me, not for the first time, the only difference between dogmatists (who profess to be believers) and the Pope, is you don't have a world wide church.

Where is the love of Christ (which I have been criticized for speaking about in this thread) in these posts?, to me, or I would argue that to the casual observer it is non existent but more like listen to Me Me Me, I’m right right right.

What I ponder would Christ make of it all?.
Methinks he would; if it were possible be embarrassed. Then again knowing of the love he has for His church he is more likely to be interceding with our Heavenly Father to continue to pour His mercy upon us, as evidentially it is so in need.

You asked me for proof, however you boldly assert, without evidence that “there can be no “believers” in the RC church.
Are you really setting yourself up as God? (I am being facetious Wayne), but you cannot say with certainty brother that in the history of that error filled church God in his Mercy and Grace has never reached in and saved whom He shall save.

Scripture teaches that if you believe in the Lord God with all your heart and soul then you shall be saved. As I stated clearly the RC church is full of error, but so are some Protestant denominations. Error is error brother NO one has a monopoly of “Truth” regarding scriptural interpretation. But God’s Grace and unending love can break through even preached error.

Regarding proof, having been privileged talking to and helping some RC individuals whom are convinced they are saved. I have by His Grace helped free them from error, ie praying to saints, Mary worship, idols etc. Can I prove they are believers? No, no more that I or you can prove we are saved. Evidentially others can see the difference in us, so similarly I apply the test to them.

ONLY God knows who is truly saved Wayne
be careful not to limit Him.

Here we go again setting ourselves up as JUDGE… NO salvation for the military or those on their deathbed. Psst, a wee reminder GOD determines whom He shall save and when, Shame on you, Get on your knees and ask forgiveness for your arrogance.

Papist, don't misread my words, the RC church preaches awful error, which will be to their eternal punishment, but I believe in a God that is bigger than your church, whom will save some individuals whom attend it, as scripture teaches "He will save those he will save" we have no influence over it, it is all of Grace.

SA is a wonderful place, with a comprehensive library of, for the most part, wonderful sermons. Not for the first time do I find myself being dismayed in my Spirit at some of the comments posted. Can I humbly ask you to pray for your enemies, pray for the truth to be preached, pray for ears that can hear.,

Coming from a strictly reformed position I also believe that none of us can honestly say we have "exclusive truth" regard scriptural interpretation. To claim such I believe is both arrogant and ignorant.

If we disagree with the teachings of others, in this instance the RC church personally I have as many critiscims of the Church of Scotland which is worse as it purports to be Presbyterian!.

However I allways try to express my words in Love, dissapointingly the tone of many of the replies from believers in this thread lack the aforementioned.

Are all whom attend an RC church "saved" of course not.... are some of the attendees? of course they are.

Ask the same questions of any Babtist, Reformed, Free, or Church of Scotland and the replies would be identical.

To disagree surely then surely we set ourselves up as Judge.

Let HIS Love reign in all we do and say.

I do however have sincerely held reservations (as previously posted) re, the forum.

SA be assured of my family's continued prayer support for your work here.

Is the idea of a forum on a Christian site to edify? To help us share our faith with each other, To share difficulties, share prayer topics one with the other, so that our Heavenly Father can recieve the glory as we rejoice in His name for not just answered prayers, but as we thank Him for the priviledge of being called His children.

Or is the SA/our idea of a forum a place where ppl can show off their scriptural knowledge or lack of!

Is it a place where our brothers and sisters in Christ can set themselves up as Judge?.

It seems to me there is more "point scoring" going on than anything else.

Can this be edifying for the Church of Christ?
Just a thought.

Christian faith is of the creator God.

last two posts were excellent.

(for a girl) hehe

Blessings on your head sister

yours in Christ

In a democracy they don't have ultimate power, they are part of a process, part of a grou[p of individuals whom make decisions. That does not mean that they agree with every bit of legislation that is passed, .
What should we do as believers take no part in the polititcal process?

This debate to me is as insoluble as the whole " NI issue"

one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Just ask the english what "historicly" they thought of William Wallace, to them deffo a terrorist yet to us Scots a hero and freedom fighter.

I shall bow out of this debate now,not because I don't see a meeting of minds, not because I disagree with what Hanson says, for I can see exactly where he is coming from and sympathise greatly with many of his points............. BUT, my preference is to leave this with The Lord, and to support all Christians involved in politics with my prayers.