Incidentally, this has nothing to do with the Genesis 17 Abrahamic covenant which is crucial to Presbys, NOT because it has anything to do with the covenant of grace, but to justify infant baptism on spurious grounds.
If you have any integrity (I will suspend judgement on this), from now on you have no excuse to accuse Baptists of not believing in a Covenant of Grace. If you do continue to make the baseless accusation then you lie intentionally and you will be accountable for that lie to the Lord.
CAB wrote: We never know when we're going to die, and if we're not ready we die in our sins....
Phil 1 3 I thank my God upon every remembrance of you, 4 always in every prayer of mine for you all making request with joy, 5 for your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now; 6 *****being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ******
Not according to CAB!
God vacillates according to his caprices; sometimes acting the saviour, and sometimes looking for the slightest trip to cast off as though the blood of Christ counted for nothing and achieved nothing.
What a bankrupt theology!
making manifest wrote: Nope!! The real Christians - Presbyterian and Calvinist are nothing like John in their Biblical Theology. They stick to the Book... In fact CAB is one of the alter ego's of John UK.
Actually you and CAB have a great deal in common. You both believe that your erroneous views are correct. You both can't think. You are both equally blind, and I suspect that neither of you know the Lord through a genuine conversion experience. Save your sanctimony for someone gullible.
Everyone from the UK is John UK, because he was cloned 60 million times.
CAB wrote: Yes we can lose the Holy Spirit, as Jesus taught: 1. Abide in the vine or we will dry up, get broken off and burned. 2. Keep our lamps full of oil (ie holy spirit), be ready, if we die dry we will not be resurrected per Romans 8 and Jesus' teaching on the 10 virgins. 3.Keep your first love or Jesus will spew you out of his body. He wants us either hot or cold, and a dried up Christian is nauseating. 4.The Holy Spirit is indeed our seal of redemption, and if we grieve, insult or quench the Spirit away and die in that condition we have died in our sins. Many examples in scripture of people who were once saved and that very thing happened to them: lazy servant, backslidden servant, Hymaneus and Alexander, Solomon, Judas, more
Misinterpretations all. The oil=Holy Spirit interpretation was countered ages ago!
How does one even begin to deal with mind numbing ignorance like this. Just goes to show that error can be stated in a very few lines but the truth takes more space to explain. Probably why forums like this are such an attraction to heretics like this Corner worshipper.
CAB wrote: As to God working in us to perfect us for his good work, that's all true, but requires our cooperation. If we quench, grieve or insult the Holy Spirit, the Spirit (our seal of redemption) will LEAVE us. Jesus, Paul, Jude, David taught that. We are commanded not to quench the Spirit.
We are sealed with the Holy Spirit, which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession Eph 1.13 Do you understand what a seal is? How can something given as an earnest of our inheritance be taken away? You are sounding more and more silly with each successive post!
Jude 24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen
ITS NOT ABOUT YOU! Its all about God and what he can and will do for the child that trusts him.
You have no faith, and that is why you are constantly having to look over your shoulder fearing Hell fire. What you don't realize is what you are running away from is your salvation and you are running straight to hell.
Michael Hranek wrote: Haven't you ever read, "Unless the LORD..." Unless the LORD...., any kind of "repentance"/"effort"/"sorrow"/"whatever" on Jonah's or your part would have meant NOTHING
Hey Michael, even Ephesians 2.10 tells us that we are his workmanship. Now there's a thought!
I dare say CAB knows nothing of God's work. She is going hither and thither, tied to Mr Corner's teachings, trying to establish her own righteousness. What she cannot see is that whatever she does is as filthy rags!
Hebs 13 20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen
It is God who makes us perfect in every good work to do his will, working in us that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory for ever and ever. AMEN!
Lurker wrote: But to be perfectly clear regarding what I believe, I'll say that I believe the bible teaches a one time post-tribulation catching up of the saints at the time of the redemption of the purchased possession...
Albeit that he is a Presby, Louis Berkhof's section on Eschatology in his Systematic Theology is very good. He addresses millennialism, pre and post and gives extremely good reasons why chiliasm is untenable and the problems with both pre and post millennialism.
9] Our salvation came about by ‚Äúreconciliation.‚ÄĚ
That is, satisfaction being rendered to the offended party whose justice must be fully met and, as a result, God‚Äôs most righteous displeasure with us on account of sin has been removed (Romans 5:10; Colossians 1:20; Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:2; 4:10).
After a most learned treatment of "propitiation‚ÄĚ in both Testaments, Dr. Leon Morris makes this telling point: ‚ÄúThe Scripture is clear that the wrath of God is visited on sinners or else that the Son of God dies for them. Either sinners are punished for their misdoings or else there takes place what Hodgson calls ‚Äėthat self-punishment which combines the activities of punishing and forgiving.‚Äô Either we die or He dies. ‚ÄėBut God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us‚Äô (Romans 5:8)‚ÄĚ (The Apostolic Preaching of the Cross, page 213).
Not that I expect CAB to answer any of these points because they are just too devastating to her heresies, but here's more:
7] The very concept of a ‚Äúsurety‚ÄĚ Hebrews 7:22) requires one who performs a service or pays a debt on behalf of another (Gen 43:9; cf. Philemon 18).
8] There is no doubt that God inflicted ‚Äúchastisement‚ÄĚ or ‚Äúpunishment‚ÄĚ upon Christ (Isaiah 53:5,10; Zechariah 13:7). God ‚Äúcondemned sin in the flesh‚ÄĚ (Romans 8:4). ‚ÄúThe Punishment which God meted out to Christ was the very punishment which was due to his people. (Arthur Pink, The Atonement, page 93). Pink proceeds to quote Dr. John Brown: ‚ÄúTo the enlightened eye, there is found on the cross another inscription, besides that which Pilate ordered to be written there: The Victim of Guilt. The Wages of sin‚ÄĚ (ibid.)
CAB wrote: Go read Teen Christian's post about all the pastors around him who are in trouble divorcing, raping, seducing, embezzling. The divorce rate of Christians is higher than the liberals. You will know them by their fruit. The so-called Christians are the biggest warmongering neocons, wanting to blow up peaceful families across the ocean and steal their oil, as tho we don't have oceans of it right here for ourselves, but we want theirs too. Yes, I've heard sermons here where people were told to ignore the four gospels, the words of Jesus--that they were in code to the Jews and "not for us." How many sermons will you find that deal with the teachings of Jesus? That should tell you something right there. Please just don't act like you don't know these things. Jesus said, You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. Truth. Just love it and face it. It's all around if you just want to see it.
Jezebel has been busy consulting the prophets of Baal and is here to undermine the Bible and the God of the Bible. She has already told us that the real gospel she finds repugnant. What more do we need to hear to reject this heretic?