"This ought to be the care of all who profess the Christian faith, that they be new creatures; not only that they have a new name, and wear a new livery, but they have a new heart and new nature. And so great is the change the grace of God makes in the soul, that, as it follows, old things are passed away - old thoughts, old principles, and old practices are passed away; and all these things must be come new. Note, regenerating grace creates a new world in the soul; all things are new. The renewed man acts from new principles, by new rules, with new ends, and in new company."
Never said it was fleshly regeneration, but that the spiritual regeration initiates a desire to live a holy life.
Hebrews 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
I posted those verses to show that if there is no sanctification in ones life, there was never any regeneration, thats all. Of course, sanctification is not immediate and is an on going process like you said. I see you have many people to respond to, so Ill leave you alone.
John 12:38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? 12:39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, 12:40 HE HATH blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
Of couse the verses I posted were about discipleship and sanctification thats the point. The Holy Spirits work of sanctification leads us away from that which is contrary to Gods word. If there is no sanctification in ones life, there was never any regeneration. Again, I am not saying Christians do not sin, but there most definitely is a change in attitude towards sin, and a desire to obey God. But if you wish to demonstrate salvation with no sanctification, you go right ahead.
Free grace writes: Not by how much fruit we bring, not by trying to quit sinning or anything else. We should walk in te spirit as he is in spirit but if a save man walks in the flesh that does not mean he not saved. He simply just walking in the flesh
While I agree that Christians still sin, if they are living a life of habitual sin, or bear no fruits of their salvation, it would be obvious that they were never truly saved.
Luke 14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
"On stage, he outlines no transgressions for which sinners must repent, gives no soaring evangelism and no lesson in morality. He returns repeatedly to the same simple theme, telling the faithful to turn from darkness to light, from Satan to God."
So he tells them to turn from Satan to God, but never speaks of sin or repentance? How will they know what they are supposed to repent of? And where is the gospel of Jesus Christ? Just more dead religion for the masses.
1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death. 7:11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.
Its about time he is dealt some discipline. Also, its easy to point out his many faults, but I think its important that we remember to pray that God humbles him, and leads him away from his irreverent behavior.
Dorcas, Your experience sounds like mine. My wife began to be convicted about hollywood and would try to talk to me about it, but I didnt want to get rid of it. Over time I began to see how antithetical it was to a Christian life and I got rid of it. Same goes for video games. I used to be addicted to video games and would spend hours playing Call of Duty (an extremely popular war game where you run around killing each other) online and woud totally neglect my family. For the sake of my marriage and fellowship with God, I gave these things up.
While I agree that tv is detrimental to to a Christian, I wouldnt get rid of it immediately, but make it a goal to work towards. If Christophers wife is unconverted like he seems to indicate, she will not understand and more likely be provoked to leave if Chris starts to tell her what she can and cant do. The ultimate goal is for Chris to save his marriage and win his wife to Christ, which will take much grace and patience. I just dont think laying down the law and expecting her to comply, being unconverted and not of the same convictions, is the right approach at the moment. I think that fervent prayer, and living a blameless Christian life before her is the best option.