No need to get worked up Delores, nobody agrees on everything. I actually like debates like these, because I've learned a lot from them. Sometimes it gets heated, but not too bad. Maybe I just misunderstood the term "invisible church." I wouldn't mind listening to the sermon SteveR posted if I can find the time. I agree that the church is invisible in as far as I can't see all of Gods saints at this moment, or walking through a crowd of people like John UK pointed out. However on a personal, interactive level, it should be quite obvious who is truly saved, by judging their fruits (personal conduct, speech, adherence to either sound or heretical doctrine, etc ). I would think most of the time, just by talking to someone, or seeing the way they live their life, you could tell whose saved or not. Hope that makes sense.
From a historical point of view, I don't understand some of their picks for most significant men in human history. I would think someone like Issac Newton, Julius Caesar, Leonardo Divici or I hate to say it Charles Darwin has had more influence in human history than Abraham Lincoln or Thomas Jefferson. Especially Darwin when you think about how much his abominable theory of evolution has invaded much of modern education, and thought.
In my opinion, I agree that there is no Biblical justification for seminaries. However if the seminary is teaching sound Biblical doctrine, I wouldn't see anything wrong it. The problem today is that more ans more seminaries are becoming apostate. I agree with Neil that its more Biblical for church elders to teach young men to become pastors.
The problem I have with the term "invisible church" is that unless I'm taking it wrong, it implies some ambiguity as to who is a Christian, and who isn't. The Bible is clear that "ye shall know them by their fruits." If someone blends in with the world, and you can't tell they are a Christian, they are either lost, or a new convert, still a babe in Christ who hasn't matured in Gods word. Point is you can usually tell who is saved, and who isn't by the way they live their life.
Matthew 7:16-20 "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."
I bought the Pilgrims Progress the other day and am reading it for the first time. So far its really good, and not as hard to read or understand as others have made it out to be. Maybe since I use the KJV, I'm already use to the writing style. I haven't gotten to the parts y'all are talking about yet. As for pastors and suicide, like SteveR said, they are busy people, laboring for the lord, exposed to al manner of stressful situations, and undoubtedly this must drain one emotionally. Remember Elijah, one minute on mount Carmel defying the prophets of Baal, the next chapter he's out in the wilderness crying out to God wanting to die? Even the strongest men of God are prey to weakness, thank God above he has given us the Holy Spirit so we don't have to face this wicked world alone.
Well Chris, maybe one day your wife will come around to living in the country. I've lived in the country most of my life, and I just couldn't live in a city, especially with all the crazys and gang bangers that come with it. Are you doing ok now? I remember reading that you were battlling some emotional issues. Hope everythings going ok. Just remember that as a Christian you are a child of the living God, and imputed the righteousness of Christ, and one day you will be in his presence for all eternity, free of sin and heartache. That alone is a cause of much rejoicing. May the Lord lift you up with many blessings.
Thanks John, I can't wait to make it happen. The hardest part is to actually stop eating junk food, as I'm so use to eating that way. Ive only recently decided to start watch what I eat, and its hard to deny cravings for fast food or snacks.
The Pope man of the year! Oh boy. I don't take the liberal time magazine very seriously anyway, so its not surprising. I seem to remember them declaring Hitler man of the year in like 1937, or somewhere in the 30's.
My wife and I plan on getting some land and a humble home so we can start a little homestead of sorts. We plan on having a garden, chickens, goats, etc, so we don't have to rely on the genetically modified garbage they call food at supermarkets. All the harmful chemicals they put not only in food, but in everyday household products really has us wanting to live more naturally. I would suspect that cancer is so horrible in the western world largely due to our horrible diets, and constant exposure to harmful chemicals in our everyday products, and even in vaccines of all things.
I really doubt finding a godly women of eighteen would be easy by itself, not to mention one who doesn't mind the age difference. But your right,, the hardest part would be having all those children. But at least Johns dreams are noble, if a little unrealistic at his age. I actually hope he gets his family and a farm.
That's right Chris, I'm not trying to gang up or be mean, just defending this Baker, and curious about how Lisa counsels homosexuals, without being able to share the Gospel I suppose. I don't if I would be able to not share the Gospel with someone like that, because I think I would feel an immense sense of guilt.
Chicago Politics is turning out to be quite the troll.
John Y, I think the hardest part of that plan is actually finding an 18 year old that is willing to marry someone your age. Most young women that are willing to do something like that, do so for nefarious reasons. But, who am I to rain on your your dreams, as weird as it is, good luck, I guess. Can I ask why you didn't try your hand at marriage when you were younger?
What's the point in helping someone psychologically, without helping them spiritually (sharing the Gospel so that they may leave their abominable lifestyle and embrace Jesus Christ as Lord and saviour). They would be cured psychologically, but still have an eternity in hell to look forward to.
John Y wrote: "I still believe that Saint Peter was the First Pope. I still believe in Infant Baptism as well as Adult Baptism but I believe that Baptism(Infant and Adult) is just a dedication of infants and adults to Jesus. I still believe there are 7 Sacraments but I don't believe they have any bearing on salvation. I believe the 7 Sacraments are just church ceremonies dealing with various stages in life."
Doesn't it bother you that none of that has any basis in Scripture?
In my opinion its not the fact that they are speaking in a effeminate voice that's sinful, but the condition of their heart that leads them to speak that way (being gay, and purposely trying to sound effeminate). Its one thing if a man naturally has a high pitched voice, but purposely speaking effeminate to try and sound gay is another.