To be fair they both did. But actually John Y started this off with a silly statement about what "normal" evangelicals believe. I personally dont think much of the RCC, but I wouldnt say that all true evangelical protestants share my opinion of the RCC.
1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Christians are suppose to judge. Think about it, scripture says ye shall know them by their fruits. This would be impossible without making a judgement. Matthew 7:1 is one of the most misused verses in scripture. If you read the next four verses it is clear that Christ is warning against hypocritcal judgement, not that we shouldnt make judgements at all.
Perhaps I shouldnt call his supporters mindless, I apologize. However, I am sure they will not mind that even though he railed against Bush for fighting a "dumb war" in Iraq, and bragged about getting us out of there, he is now basically doing the same thing.
Dorcas wrote: Since my name was brought up concerning the religion of Rome, let me state emphatically that I have never spoken against Roman Catholics personally except to say they are duped by the leaders of that pagan religion.It is not Christian. If others want to vilify me for stating that.... so be it.
Sorry to put your name out there Dorcas, only I know Steve meant to revile you instead of Delores. I know you dont have any malice towards catholics.
SteveR, It is not wicked to view the RCC antichrist considering its antichrist gospel and doctrines, but believe what you want.
Mr. Mcdonald asked the inhabitants of St. Kilda how a man must be saved. An old man replied "We shall be saved if we repent, and forsake our sins and turn to God." "Yes," said a middle aged female, "and with a true heart too." "Aye" rejoined a third, "And with prayer"; and added a fourth, "It must be the prayer of the heart." "And we must be diligent too," said a fifth, "in keeping the commandments." Thus, each contributing his mite, feeling that a very decent creed had been made up, they all looked and listened for the pastors approbation; but they had aroused his deepest pity: he had to begin at the beginning and preach Christ to them.
You may owe Delores an apology, because I cant think of one time she has ever posted anything derogatory about the RCC. Maybe you have her confused with Dorcas who (rightly imo) has expressed her disdain for the RCC.
Apparently you do not, and cannot understand the sovereignty of God because you're to full of yourself to understand that you don't have to understand it for it to be true.
How did you come to this baseless conclusion? I simply posted my disdain for the fatalistic antinomianism that some have fallen for. The elect obey scripture (John 14:21). If you believe that Jeremiah 10:23 means that we are not to obey scripture because God controlls everything we do anyways, than you are mistaken. Im inclined to think his directing our steps would be in righteousness rather than complacency.
Deuteronomy 11:18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes. 11:19 And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
But lets not obey scripture so we dont take away from Gods sovereignty.
Chemble wrote: Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God hath not cast away his people which he **FOREKNEW**
Romans 11 speaks of a remnant according to the election of grace, which means they are converted Jews and therefore part of the church.
Galatians 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
True Israel is the Church, not a nation of Christ rejecting Jews. It is the saints who are heirs to the promise of Abraham.
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
The notion of the modern day Israel being a fullfillment of the prophecies has been debunked in other threads.
Thats right Dorcas. If I remember right, 2/3 of the book of Revelation is a reference to the old testament. So, if one wants to inderstand Revelation, one needs to first understand the old testament. Or while we are at it, the other 26 books of the new testament.