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Overcomer wrote:
The vast majority of women who have their babies murdered, do it willingly.
Yes, there are some who are coerced, or feel there are no other options. There have been a few cases where a woman is given an abortifacient without her consent.( Ironically, millions do this on a daily basis by taking b/c pills) I have failed to see one woman being physically dragged into a clinic for an abortion. ( although, I have seen a few parent's strongly coerce their daughters)
The true "war on women" began when Satan deceived Eve in the garden..."hast God really said?" From this original sin, this act of disobedience has brought forth death.
The lie continues...
You are absolutely correct. I have never even read of a woman in this country who was truly physically forced into having an abortion. Yes, the lie does continue.

I remember years ago reading about "a" definition of rape on college campuses that included a man saying he would break up with his girlfriend if she didn't have sex with him. The statistician concluded that was being forced; therefore it was rape.


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ladybug wrote:
Thanks for your kind response. I have already forgiven you for any unkindness. I remember in my original post saying that no one would agree with me, so I expected someone to do what you did. Now, I do not make it a practice of arguing with ladies, so this will be my last response. As you might expect, this forum does not lend itself to exegeting verses fully.

1 Timothy 2:9-15
Titus 2:3-5
1 Peter 3:7
1 Ti 3:1-7
1 Cor 14:34,35
Eisegesis: The process of taking a preconceived belief and interpreting a biblical passage in a way that supports that belief. This is a very common phenomenon, although the interpreter is not generally conscious of the process. This is what you did with your Titus 2:3-5 example and your Timothy and his mother and grandmother example. If you are teaching younger women to do the things noted in Titus then you are correct. If you say that because women can teach their male children, then they can teach women, then so be it. I would have thought that a family unit was different. I also did not say there weren’t exceptions to my thoughts. What you are doing is making the exception the rule.

Now if you want to say that let’s say a women’s conference isn’t a meeting of the church, then so be it.


News Item3/22/14 5:54 PM
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Lurker wrote:
The things which prompted this just shouldn't happen amongst Christians. I haven't formulated my thoughts yet and even when I do I will probably keep them to myself; but we live in a really bad time and brothers and sisters in Christ need each other's encouragement to get through the evil this world is forcing upon us. Nothing would serve the devil's purpose better than to work division amongst God's people and it grieves me to see it happening here.
Your comments are a blessing as usual. Does what you are saying mean that ladybug shouldn't have said I shouldn't be taken seriously, was guilty of eisegesis and was a Misogynist. I never even called her an evangelical feminist. I wonder why she was so testy?

News Item3/22/14 2:26 PM
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Shane wrote:
If you are not of this world.... can you even be on the right or left?
Correct Shane, Jesus was not into politics at all; His kingdom is not of this world and we are all called to be strangers and pilgrims, although admittedly most are not. He was not a democrat, independent, libertarian, or republican.

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Unprofitable Servant wrote:
While I still lament the departure from this forum of Observer and Dorcas, by God's grace will endeavor to keep them in my thoughts and prayers. Although I would hope they would come back, I will thank the Lord for having the privilege of interactiing with them here and wish God would bless them as they continue on in His service.
I agree brother! Although I'm sure that neither said what they said as "unto the Lord", so it was simply a personal decision on their part that can be reversed.

Although I didn't read any of the removed comments, it is hard to imagine the extent that SA is going. I have a feeling they would "remove" things that were said by the Lord Himself. He called some devils and SA might consider that to be unkind. And then although I didn't go through the thread on Christians having their throat slit; it is hard to imagine posting that thread and then removing what they deem to be unkind comments. But, I am just rambling since I didn't read the removed comments. But, I can't imagine you saying anything that would warrant that. But, clearly we are all grown-ups here.

Remember, SteveR has said I was demon controlled, possessed, and that you, I and John UK were part of an unholy ...


News Item3/21/14 3:40 PM
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Mike wrote:
Psalm 28:7
"The LORD is my strength and my shield; my heart trusted in him, and I am helped: therefore my heart greatly rejoiceth; and with my song will I praise him."
Read closely. Do likewise.
Amen brother, gotta go play tennis with a fellow who doesn't mind playing with an old man. Thanks for the post.

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John UK wrote:
He who would valiant be
'Gainst all disaster,
Let him in constancy
Follow the Master.
There's no discouragement
Shall make Him once relent
His first avowed intent
To be a pilgrim.
Whoso beset him round
With dismal stories,
Do but themselves confound,
His strength the more is.
No foes shall stay his might;
Though he with giants fight,
He will make good his right
To be a pilgrim.
Since, Lord, thou dost defend
Us with Thy Spirit,
We know we at the end
Shall life inherit.
Then fancies, flee away!
I'll fear not what men say,
I'll labor night and day
To be a pilgrim.

News Item3/21/14 2:58 PM
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Dorcas wrote:
In the book of Isaiah chapter 3 the Lord pronounces His judgement on the wicked nation.
Verse 12...As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them....
Is this not where we are right now?
Yes, we are Dorcas and it will only get worse and worse since in my opinion, it can't be undone. Excellent verse you noted. It made it in a couple of my meditations.

I never think of Christian women as being Pilgrims, but I will have to rethink that.


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Dorcas wrote:
A hearty Amen! Frank.
Thank you dear sister in Christ and yes John being a pilgrim is a hard thing to do, but our Lord will use our deficiencies for our good and His glory. [2] And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. (Rom 12:2 KJV)

News Item3/21/14 1:29 PM
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John UK wrote:
In the UK we have already had a woman Prime Minister, and how long before we have a female Archbishop of Canterbury heading up the worldwide Church of England? There is no doubt about the fact that women are taking on more and more roles. It seems to me to be a spiritual thing, orchestrated by the devil, who is having his big fling against God before his demise. In other words, there is more to this than meets the eye.
To rebel against God's word is to rebel against God. And if the devil cannot get people to rebel against God's word, he will inevitably try to cause doubt that we actually have God's word.
Hey brother! What is taking place can't be reversed. "Some" of the reasons is the church only gives lip service to the following thoughts. We all want to be loved and respected, but ...

26] Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets. (Luk 6:26 KJV)
[22] And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. (Mat 10:22 KJV)
[2] And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. (Rom 12:2 KJV)


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T2W wrote:
@Frank...you might enjoy Pastor Matt Trewella's sermon Refuting Regiment of Feminstsate June 27,1999.here on SA.
Not for the faint hearted
You weren't kidding when you said it wasn't for the faint hearted. The sermon was very good and thank you for the referral. I didn't agree with everything he said, but the majority was right on. It reminded of what got me started on egalitarianism and evangelical feminism; Sarah Palin and how so many Christians got so excited when she came on the scene. I did also, but for all of 5 minutes.

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T2W wrote:
@Frank...you might enjoy Pastor Matt Trewella's sermon Refuting Regiment of Feminstsate June 27,1999.here on SA.
Not for the faint hearted
Am listening to it now - thanks. 74 minutes is a hike, but the first couple of minutes is interesting.

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Observer wrote:
1 Timothy 2:14
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
This is plainly a statement of fact, but do you think that this indicates proneness? If so, care to elaborate how, when both Adam and Eve were created alike?
Eve's act may have led to a prohibition to teach and usurp authority, but man's sin led to universal death and a curse upon the earth.
If there is a failure on the part of women to be subject to their men folk (which ain't the case in my connections), then should we not equally look to see if the men folk love their respective wives like Christ loved the church? If feminism has invaded the church, hasn't a similar thing happened, and perhaps for a longer period, with men having the wrong view of their roles in the family, lording it over the women and children?
Do men know what this means?:
1 Peter 3:7
Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according t
I think the fact that Paul noted the woman was deceived sort of implies women are prone to deception. And it matches the many scriptures that refer to the roles of women. See my meditation for more.

Yes, men are guilty of what you noted. I have another longer meditation on feminism, so beware.


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Observer wrote:
Thank you bro. Just received. It's pretty long, so it may take me a few days to come back to you.
That will teach you brother!

If nothing else you will find it interesting. No eisegesis!


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Observer wrote:
As you still can't bring yourself to acknowledge wrongs and make amends, it don't worry me what you do.
BUT, as I've said before, you twist God's word, as is generally the wont with those in the reformed camp and I'll be gunning for you. So prepared to be challenged.
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Frank bro,
You wrote "My point was they are prone to deception ...."
Care to show us how you arrive at that?
The long version is on the way. Let me know if I can clarify something.

Ladybug, I'm glad you don't use things that are implied in scripture. I rest my case.

Yes, T2W.


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ladybug wrote:
Frank,
To say her husband had some control over this is to add to the text. It simply does not say what you're trying to make it say; that is known as eisegesis.
As for Priscilla and Aquila, the text again is clear, BOTH instructed Apollos outside the synagogue 'they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.' Acts 18:26b.
I seemed to have misinterpreted this statement of yours - Now with that in mind, if two born again women meet together, then that constitutes a church gathering in my opinion. Now if that is true, then women should not teach men or other women; both constitute the church of our Lord." I ask you this, where does the word of God say women cannot instruct other women?
So it's okay for a woman to prophesy, like Huldah, but not teach other women? Sounds like a bit of a stretch to me
Agree on Timothy. No man available, no male oversight. Eisegesis is a negative term, please...

Women are equal; if they can't teach men, they can't teach women.

No stretch on Huldah. No eisegesis. The only prophetess that was called a "teacher" in scripture was Jezebell.

Where does it specifically say in scripture that I can't use mild altering drugs. It gives us the principle.


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ladybug wrote:
Frank,
I agree that God says women are NOT to be in the pulpit. However, to say women can never teach is not what Scripture says. Who taught Timothy? Who instructed Apollos? What about Huldah? I think we need to be careful about trying to muzzle women outside the church, which would be when we gather together to hear the word of the Lord and give praise; to worship the Lord our God. I find it comforting that our Lord appeared to a woman first {Mark 16:9}She immediately tells His disciples - perhaps the Lord chose a woman because we have a hard time keeping quiet
Remember, I am not saying the church is defined by the pulpit.

Either Timothy’s grandmother or mother. – I never indicated that in families, the woman couldn’t teach her kids. But her husband would normally have some control over this.

Priscilla and Aquila – a married missionary couple. The husband appears to have been present, so he could have corrected any false doctrine.

Huldah was a prophetess, I think. Not a teacher of God’s word.

I never said that women couldn’t speak, teach, exhort in certain circumstances. My point was they are prone to deception and shouldn't teach without a man's oversight.

Thanks for the response!


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Okay, brothers and sisters, let me give this a shot. All of us would agree that women should not teach men nor be leaders in a church; the men part being relatively easy to understand. The rest depends in my opinion on how we define a church gathering. Now, there could easily be no one on this board that would agree with me, but I define the church as an individual that is born again, from above. In other words, if I am the only person in my town that is a believer, the church of Jesus Christ is still there. I define a church gathering as a meeting of two or more believers that gather together for fellowship or for worship. Now with that in mind, if two born again women meet together, then that constitutes a church gathering in my opinion. Now if that is true, then women should not teach men or other women; both constitute the church of our Lord. I haven’t come to any strong opinion on children yet, but I would lean towards saying they should not be Sunday school teachers of any kind. And yes, women are completely equal in God’s eyes. We often use different roles to define equality, but God doesn’t do it that way. I think what is happening here is that we are looking at this as a procedural issue and not a moral issue.

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Dorcas wrote:
This post will not be received by most...
but so be it.
Most of us ladies are ruled by our emotions and we tend to let our circumstances dictate our theology instead of the Word of God.
My two mites.
Well since I am not a woman, I will take your word for that. But, I would simply say that women are more "naturally" prone to deception and therefore they should not be leaders or teachers. I also personally believe that evangelical feminism; that which has infiltrated the church and uses Christian terminology, is more evil than left wing feminism. Christian men generally don't want to appear to be unkind, so they allowed this distortion of God's word to occur and they continue to do so. In other words, they allowed culture to define God's word. Now I can assure you I am not a Misogynist and my guess is you're not either.

Gotta go and spend the rest of my kids inheritance on my wife's SUV.

Thanks for your post Dorcas.


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John UK wrote:
They don't disturb my welsh sensibilities, 1517. I never said there was anything wrong with imprecatory prayers, just that we need to be sure they are inspired in our heart by the Holy Spirit. The evidence that most of them are not so inspired is when God ignores them.
p.s.
Culture does not come into our thinking, especially in the text we're looking at, as God himself demonstrates:
1 Timothy 2:12-13 KJV
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

Yep!

Well said Pilgrim! Let me just add -1 Timothy 2:14. And - Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

I also adhere to imprecatory prayer, but the concept is something that I rarely use. The only way God would answer that kind of prayer is if He agreed with us anyway and if we were wrong in offering it, He will deal with us.

Yes, I was using a tongue in cheek comment on the other thread.

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