SteveR wrote: There are some pretty perverted people on the SermonAudio Board. When I see a nun, I dont see a cauldron of unnatural lusts. Rather I see someone who loved the LORD so much as they wanted to dedicate their entire lives to the Church. Most so called Christians have a hard time committing a few hours a week for their faith, let alone a lifetime. With that said, I would agree the RCC isnt the best place for their overzealous decision. They should be loving wives, keeping a faithful household, while raising godly childen
Yes SteveR, your opinion of nuns and their zeal is pretty perverted. They should seek to be wives and mothers and serve the Lord the way scriptures tells them to do. Not being slaves to those who don't love them or care for them. I remember one time someone asked Mother Angelica how to be saved. She rattled off a list of things that were not even remotely possible. In other words, all catholics will end up in purgatory, so they do not believe in salvation through Christ alone; through faith and grace alone. And your calling that type of perverted knowledge, zeal.
John Yurich USA wrote: Stop making the false statement that there is any similarity between Islam and the Catholic Church. Islam does not worship Jesus as God and murders Non Muslims whereas the Catholic Church worships Jesus as God and does not murder anybody.
There a huge similarity between Islam and RC. Both have reinvented a Christ that can save no one; therefore both must work their way to heaven. Now there are some differences as well as all of us know. But, the salvific characteristics are the same. It is impossible to know and understand either cult and worship with them and be saved.
Mike wrote: Well penny, it seems if Franklin Graham says something, even if true, it's bad because he said it. That being said, there is no desire to put people back to work. That's how policy, tax and otherwise, has been designed. Working people are not so dependent as non-working, and it looks like there is deliberate attempt to wreck this nation. It's called deconstruction. Something must be deconstructed in order that something else replace it. Make people needy enough, they might accept anything. Postmodern "Christians" do the same thing in church world, in order that the church be replaced with something else, something more...culturally sensitive. Politics and churchianity, both antichrist. Prophecy is unfolding. The King is coming.
No Mike, many of us think that if FG says something then it is the same as the pope saying it. I'm sure you would agree if the pope or Obama said it. IOW, if FG says something that is true, it is irrelevant. Yes, the end is coming. I like the rest of your comment. amen.
MS wrote: Frank, You must be in our age group, for we have similar thoughts on what and who is destroying the culture, a lot of the younger generation would completely disagree with the things you mentioned. We were castigated by family members for not attending a funeral service for a relative that was conducted by a lesbian 'minister' and her sodomite attendant ... We are joining you and others in prayer also.
Thanks for joining me in prayer for these issues. I pray about that on a constant basis and it is nice to know you will join me in this.
Good for you for not attending the funeral. People who never have to face these family struggles will never understand how hard it is to take Christ ahead of our families, but we are called to do that.
I agree with you about the younger generation, but I hope that doesn't include our younger Christians. I have always said that no one will have an excuse when they stand before the Lord on judgment day. They will either be guilty or all of their sins have already been forgiven and He will simply say to them, come with Me.
I know ladies don't like to give their ages, so you have no responsibility to do that. My guess is I am older; I am 68 years old. Notice I didn't say 68 years young.
I will just say this. God will never recognize homosexual marriages and neither will His true children. I have two close homosexual family members that were married in a Unitarian church and their marriages were not considered legal at the time. Now if they decide to now marry because the law allows it; I will not recognize those marriages and neither should anyone in the faith. I don't care where they are married or who accepts them or doesn't.
I am glad I don't work anymore while this issue is raising its ugly head. In other words, except for the love I have for my family, I don't have to ponder my actions that might affect my livelihood.
I will pray that God destoys this movement along with abortion, greed and feminism. In my opinion these are the big 4 that is destroying my culture and the cultures of the world.
s c wrote: We were on the same thought pattern again,Frank. Thank you for being much more detailed. It'll be interesting to see which parts,if any, of the listed catechism that John Y will reject.
Yes we are on the same page as usual. I simply consider JohnY to be a RC troll so I don't think my posts will help him. I always post for the casual reader that might come across his nonsense. That is what I think, right or wrong. Some folks are in the faith, but have little or no discernment, so I do post for them when I discuss what JohnY says.
MS. I know exactly what you are saying. I can't imagine the vain repetitions that come with the rosary. I have listened to Mother Angelica on the catholic channel leading those poor confused, lost nuns in praying them.
Thank you for your faithfulness. I was raised RC so I know they ask Mary to intercede for them much more than they do Christ. She is His mother and no son refuses his mother. When the pope was shot, he prayed to Mary, not Christ. That is known fact. In my youth, I said so many hail Maryâs that I know the words by heart.
IMMACULATE CONCEPTION -- Mary was preserved from all stain of original sin from the first instant of her conception. (Catechism 490-492).
PERPETUAL VIRGINITY - Mary was a virgin before, during and after the birth of Christ. (Catechism 496-511)
MOTHER OF GOD - Because she is the mother of Jesus, and Jesus is God, therefore Mary is the Mother of God. (Catechism 963, 971, 2677).
MOTHER OF THE CHURCH - Mary is the Mother of the Church. (Catechism 963, 975).
ASSUMPTION - At the end of her life, Mary was taken up (âassumedâ) body and soul into Heaven. (Catechism 966, 974)
CO-MEDIATOR - Mary is the Co-Mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions. (Catechism 968-970, 2677)
QUEEN OF HEAVEN - God has exalted Mary in heavenly glory as Queen of Heaven and earth. (Catechism 966) She is to be praised with special devotion. (Catechism 971, 2675)
Yes, the RCC is a cult. The above is from an ex-nun. Will provide the link.
I remember reading something about a helicopter rocket attack that took place in Iraq or Afghanistan. The first rocket missed a known terrorist who was the sole target and instead killed a little boy walking with his father. I never read where we apologized for that and I have often wondered what this little boy's family and friends think of our drone attacks and by extension the U.S. and Christianity. They do consider all Americans to be people of the book.
I wonder how many "innocent" in a political or miltary sense, have been killed by these attacks. Yes, I am against drone attacks. We can say all we want that we don't target civilians and that may be true, but try telling that to all the families that have had family members killed. If we know there are civilians in an area and still bomb that area, then it becomes a moot point.
Genesis 1:29 Then God said, âBehold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you;
Genesis 3:4.The serpent said to the woman, "You surely will not die! 3:5. "For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." 3:6.When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate. 3:7. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings.
John Y. You do realize that satan lied to Eve, but he also mixed a lie with the truth in the above. Mixing lies with truth is worse than an outright lie. She and Adam certainly knew what good and evil were after they ate. Satan convinced her that God would lie to her because He didnât want her to be godlike, so He witheld a blessing from her. Satan is speaking to you and you are ignoring our heavenly Father Him and are choosing to listen to the evil one. And even worse, you are repeating the lies.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: Memories Pizza fund raising was helped by large audiences of conservative talk show hosts who shared the issue. Lots of people, not necessarily Christians, donated to their cause. They receive about $800,000, Mr. Beck needs to do his research. From ONE of many websites set up to aid the persecuted brethren in their most recent data they received nearly $39 million dollars. Who would you say got more help? Agree with brother/sister sc's statement. There is a huge need for us to be more aware of the plight of our persecuted brethren as Mourner said and uphold them before the throne of grace. http://www.persecution.com/uploads/media/downloads/197_2013resources2.pdf
Thanks U.S. for the statistics on this and I would just add how does he know how Christians think and act. He believes the devil is Jesus' younger brother and that Mohammed has to give the go ahead before someone can enter into heaven. And that God has a body and had literal sex with Mary. The Mormons teach that Mohammed was a greater "prophet" than Jesus because he came later. And of course I could go on and on.
And even more important; I pray for my persecuted brothers and sisters on a constant basis. If Beck does this, then God does not hear
s c wrote: Praise God for the voice of ladybug on such forum. She never exercises authority over but always speaks much in a very direct and gracious manner. A lady indeed by Christian standards. Keep contributing ladybug as the Lord sees fit.
I agree with you about Ladybug; she has certainly been a blessing to me after what I will simply say was a rough start.
It is also interesting that zeal is starting to show itself as the cause of being pharisaical. Incorrect zeal is zeal that is not according to knowledge. I have not heard that conceded as yet? Paul said he was guilty of it when he was hunting down Christians (he did it out of ignorance) and he said the Jews were guilty of that as a nation. The Jesuits could have said that when they burned heretics at the stake. All I am saying is according to scripture incorrect zeal does not contain correct knowledge. If I am wrong, someone correct me.
Now, I am not even angry anymore; thank God, but if zeal is incorrect, it is not according to knowledge. That is what these judgmental folks were doing in the beginning. Those who don't attend church aren't Christian, etc.
To the likes of 1517, I don't meet with any fellow believers on the Lord's day; sad but true.
John UK wrote: SC, what if in God's sovereign will, Frank was destined to be pastor of, say, Miami Christian Fellowship? The elders of the church have been dedicated to the up-building of the church for a decade since it began as a pioneering work. Because of open-air evangelism (from the church), there have been about twenty converts, all of them eager to be taught the word of God and grow in their faith. The MCF believes in the doctrines of grace, which affects the way services are run. Let's say Frank attended once, but decided not to return because of some minor issue. But if he had continued there, and become part of the fellowship, respected and received, and had his gifts noticed and used within the context of the church (that is, the edification of both saints and the new converts), in the will of God he would have been called to the fulltime ministry. Fictitious example, but I hope you see the point. Please note that even the Apostles Paul and Barnabas did not self-launch, but were sent out "from the church" in Antioch, under their authority.
Who said it would only take a minor issue for me not to attend. I never used that expression and never hinted at anything like, something minor. Oh never mind, I see the what if.
Dorcas and SC. I want to thank both of you for understanding my thoughts. I actually wrote two comments that were even more unkind than my original one that I posted obviously to 1517, but deleted both of them. I was so upset and angry that he accused me of "tooting my own missionary horn" that I got the comments reversed. Old age. I have already confessed that anger to the Lord, so all is okay.
But SC you were right on. How could I explain my thoughts against his lone wolf comment without citing an example. But believe me, at this stage in my life I was not tooting any horn; that is for sure. Maybe 25 years ago, but not now.
Dorcas, thanks for your thoughts. Most of the pastors today do not consider themselves to be the "least of us and the servant of those they shephard". They give lip service to that thought; the same as the RCC clergy does.
But like I have tried to say in my own way. I have nothing against anyone finding a church they feel comfortable in. What a blessing that is. That is unless it is JohnY's church.
Well I really think it is big of some of you to spin what you are saying so that you really arenât saying anything you started out saying. I donât know a lot about Pink, but how can someone say that he was so praiseworthy for part of his life and then cynical towards the end. Did he conclude his ending was cynical? How do you know his final thoughts about church and church attendance were not more spiritual than those in the beginning? Couldnât he have learned more about what it means to worship? Or is it because he would disagree with you naysayers?
I am somewhat surprised at the bigoted and pharisaical attitude that many have, but then that is one reason why I donât attend a formal congregation. It is simply because of hirelings behind the pulpit and folks like 1517 sitting in the pews. And yes, I have a car that would take me to hundreds of churches within minutes. I have been to many of them and now I choose to not attend any. Here is a question about being a lone wolf. I wanted to bring bibles etc. into communist countries. I was not a missionary so the only way I could do it was on my own dime and taking annual leave. Are you really going to say that was wrong? Now even though there are question marks in this comment; I will not respond to objections.
Yes Ladybug, I am the church of Christ and you are the church of Christ. Two like minded sojourners who happened along at the same time. When we communicate together the church is communicating. If we meet together in a building, the church has gathered. When we confess sins and weaknesses to each other, agonize with each other and especially pray for each other, the church of our Lord is doing all those things. When we pray every night for our brothers and sisters; Christ is with us and we are His church.
As you know, I consider most churches to be led by hirelings who arenât even free to discuss what they really believe or they will lose their benefits and retirements. Now, if I knew of a local body of believers that were likeminded with me, I would love to attend their services, but I do not and I will not attend a church that I consider to be leading Christ's flock astray.
But am I also not a sinner and have so many faults. Of course I am, but I am not holding a position of leadership and no one is responsible to me.
It doesnât matter whether John Y attends church or if he doesnât. Church attendance has absolutely nothing to do with whether we are saved or not. What does matter is that he attends satanâs church, the RCC. Christians "can't" do that.
You said it much better than I ever could. I also noticed that you noted my use of the "that I am aware of" thought. You are one bright lady that is for sure. And of course SC picked up on my thoughts as well and I want to thank her for her encouragement and tolerance of me.
There is nothing in this world that pleases me more as when I have fellowship with another of like faith. Face to face is obviously the best and most rewarding, but of course there are other ways of doing it as well.
My thoughts about church membership and church attendance are very complicated and they would be impossible to share on this forum. But, I will say this; I have absolutely nothing against the concept of going to church; that is a wonderful thing that we can do that in our culture. You are correct Ladybug; brick and mortar mean nothing. Many cultures can't do that as most know. In places in China, there are only house churches and they are difficult to find; in Saudi Arabia there are mostly none. I can imagine finding a Christian in N. Korea and telling them they aren't saved because they don't belong formally to a congregation.
If something is necessary for salvation, then I believe the Lord will always make it possible; otherwise is wasn't necessary.
i do not believe God has lone wolf Christians. It is like baptism; it's not the want of water but desire. I do not believe someone could be Christian without joining a congregation.
Now according to the above I fail your litmus test. You did not use the word desire in the sense of membership. Your statement was in a different sentence with no connection to the previous one. Now when I have misspoken then I usually say Iâm sorry and then phrase it differently. But as you will see, that doesnât matter to me in the least. I am not one that likes to spin things, so let me say this again and in clearer terms. I have not attended a church service in about 4 years. I was never a âformalâ member of any congregation. If memory serves me correctly the church that baptized me considered me to be a member and that was at least 35 years ago. And, I have been called a lone wolf Christian on many occasions especially when doing missionary work. I have done lots of things without church or missionary sponsorship. Now this should satisfy your desire thought. I have no desire to join any church that I am aware of. If I had the desire, then of course I would do it.
Oh and I understand your position and appreciate it - truly.
Jim Lincoln wrote: No, Frank, there will be still low-priced albeit dangerous methods for abortion.
I don't rant against Obama care, I rant against abortions. I come from Florida not Texas.
Well Jim, if I had my way about things every woman who obtained an abortion would be prosecuted for murder. Since you coyly said that life begins at conception, then if you are using life in the same way that most of us do, you would have to agree. Now there is a question that I have asked on many occasions that I donât ever remember you answering. Is life at conception of the same moral value as a 30 year old person. Just answer that and then we can continue on this pseudo Christian socialist agenda you have. Yes or no or you can qualify if you want to. No link is necessary; you are a bright articulate fellow. As long as I and others can understand your answer.
I wonder if this means we are going to send U.S. troups into England to liberate these women from their suppressors. Or perhaps we can simply bomb the areas where this takes place. Or lastly and perhaps the best idea is to withhold trade with them or impose other sanctions.
My guess is because some of these Muslims are joining up with ISIS, then we can justify it easily.