John UK wrote: Good for them. They are willing to take a cut in income to remain loyal to the Lord Jesus Christ, making a stand against ungodliness which might encourage others to also reject compromise just for the sake of money. The Lord will honour them for honouring the God of heaven.
Your comment is right on brother and thanks for providing it. I truly hope they stay strong in their convictions and I know if they are in the Lord, then He will give them grace and peace to endure whatever financial hardships that come their way. Love not the world, neither the things in the world .... Wealth, fame and power are simply ways that we have to gain more of the world. Col 3:5 tells us that greed is simply idolatry and when we go against our consciences regarding gaining wealth, then we are always guilty of that. We should never worship our trust in our circumstances, but on the One that controls and guides those circumstances. God loves me the same if my refrig is empty or full.
One day all mankind will be given a choice; take the "mark" or give up all you have including your lives.
Chris, I like your definition of a troll and have always felt that JohnY was a troll in the truest sense.
John UK wrote: Thanks 1517, it seems Luther had a strange view of it, when we see it all as symbolic, as baptism is symbolic. ______________ Frank said: "Jesus is the Son of God, period. Jesus died on the cross for the sins of the â€śwholeâ€ť world. Jesus was raised for our justification and that fact â€śmust be acknowledgedâ€ť in order for someone to be saved. Scripture never says Jesus was raised for the justification of the lost, nor does it say that Jesus intercedes and prays for the lost. Once again, in order to be saved, we must believe that Jesus is the Son of God, that He came into this world; that He died on the cross for our sins; and that He was raised for our justification." I don't have a problem with that, Pilgrim, and I thank you for posting it. You are an inspiration bro. Moniker Man never will have the understanding Mr Spurgeon had over the atonement.
Thanks Pilgrim. All I was trying to say is we shouldn't redefine salvation to simply believing that Christ died for our sins. JW and Mormons; both believe that, but neither believe Christ was God in the flesh. And of course, the RCC adds to all of it and certainly don't believe He was raised for our justification. I thank you for your kindness, but most of all for your patience!
I always think of Rick Warren as a chameleon. He can be a evangelical liberal one day and a fundamentalist the next day. It all depends on who is audience is or what "purpose" he trying to fulfill. He is a heretic of the first order and I would never listen to anything he says on any issue at any time. When I say listen, I mean to listen to learn from him, not about him. But, I am odd and even listen to the catholic TV show to learn about them.
Pilgrim, I am saying:  But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. (2Pe 2:1 KJV)
 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. (1Co 6:20 KJV)
59 agorazo ag-or-ad'-zo from 58; properly, to go to market, i.e. (by implication) to purchase; specially, to redeem:--buy, redeem. see GREEK for 58
The word used for â€śboughtâ€ť is the same word in 2 Peter 2:1 and was clearly referring to false prophets and the word â€śboughtâ€ť that was used in 1 Corinthians 6:20 was clearly referring to the saved.
Jesus is the Son of God, period. Jesus died on the cross for the sins of the â€śwholeâ€ť world. Jesus was raised for our justification and that fact â€śmust be acknowledgedâ€ť in order for someone to be saved. Scripture never says Jesus was raised for the justification of the lost, nor does it say that Jesus intercedes and prays for the lost. Once again, in order to be saved, we must believe that Jesus is the Son of God, that He came into this world; that He died on the cross for our sins; and that He was raised for our justification.
 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world. (1Jo 2:2)
 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (Jhn 3:16 )
 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. (1Ti 4:10)
 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, [and] giving of thanks, be made for all men;  For kings, and [for] all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.  For this [is] good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;  Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. (1Ti 2:1-4 KJV)
If someone believes that Christ died for their sins, but He was not God in the flesh and was not resurrected, then what good did believing in Christ dying for them have? NONE. So, the fact that I believe that God died for the sins of all mankind, past, present and future has no application without the entire gospel being believed. Many people limit the gospel to the atonement, but it is more than that.
carl haydock wrote: Regardless of her theology or demonination,what she did was right. Weak men as usual. An iman praying in a church?? Let a christian pray to christ in a mosque. Mmm its never going to happen.
Hey Carl, you used the expression "regardless" of her theology which I took to mean it didn't matter. Anyway, I also said that you probably misspoke. I do that all the time, so I was careful to suggest that. But, to be honest, I disagreed with everything you said on the issue, except the obvious that Christians will never be allowed to pray in a mosque, well unless you are Rick Warren, but then I would say only "professing" Christians are allowed.
Lastly, I am not a weak Christian man and if I lived in that area; no right on the corner of the cathedral; I would not have done what she did. And my guess is there were lots of strong Christian men in that vacinity. I also don't enter into catholic churches and interrupt them and to me there is no difference. THAT IS ONLY THE WAY I THINK.
I sometimes twist what others say, the same as we all do, but I didn't in your case. If you didn't mean that theology doesn't matter, just say you misspoke or should have used another expression. See how easy that is.
John UK wrote: Hi fellow Pilgrim, yes the imam is devoted to a book which teaches terrible things, and these terrible things we are hearing of almost every day. In the UK, all religion is tolerated except that which is regarded as dangerous or treasonous. It's about time the Islamic religion was seen in its true light, and declared to be both dangerous and treasonous. As for the pope, well you've read Pilgrim's Progress, and seen the allegorical representation of the pope's demise through the Protestant Reformation, and how his "power" was diminished, and his authority over mens' lives broken, by the power of the true gospel of God's grace, whereby all men may come unto Jesus Christ directly, with no need of a magic show priest, and come confessing their sins to the Lord they may be pardoned directly by the Lord himself, who gives his Spirit as an earnest of eternal life in heaven. Praise God!
Amen! And let me add that the reason Islam will be tolerated is they wage an earthly "armed" war against any who stand against them. Christians do not; therefor our faith will one day be illegal and considered hateful.
John UK wrote: The office of imam ought to be made illegal.
I agree Pilgrim and so should the office of the pope. But the Lord is in control of all these false religious leaders and one day they will not be illegal, but simply won't exist. Can you believe this fellow Carl doesn't think "theology" is important. Now sense I don't answer for SteveR, then of course you don't have to answer for Carl. besides, my guess is he simply misspoke.
I wonder if SteveR would also say that homsexuality and abortion also shouldn't be made illegal? Or murder, theft, etc.
SteveR wrote: Your childish rhetoric only leads to death....ONLY those in Christ are heirs to the promises Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Sorry SteveR, I answered your objection in an update. Please read the below again.
Oh, I don't consider my rhetoric to be childish, but like Paul said, and I will paraphrase, the preaching of the gospel will result in the death of some, but life to others. It is not my job to decide who gets what.
SteveR wrote: Scripturally ignorant? or do you actually believe these people are cleansed from their sins? Jeremiah 33:7 And I will cause the captivity of Judah and the captivity of Israel to return, and will build them, as at the first. Jeremiah 33:8 And I will cleanse them from all their iniquity, whereby they have sinned against me; and I will pardon all their iniquities, whereby they have sinned, and whereby they have transgressed against me.
I didn't say or imply that they have presently been cleansed from their sins. In order for anyone to be cleansed, they have to be born again from above. Which means they have repented and placed their faith and trust in Christ the Lord alone. The Jewish nation certainly has not done that. I was referring to God's promises to His people; not their current state.
When Christ returns, all Israel will be destroyed or saved. That means that many will perish without Christ, but the remnant will be "all" saved in Christ. Does that make sense?
SteveR wrote: And its just that attitude that landed the victims of this massacre in the Lake of Fire. Ive followed the Israeli Palestinian conflict for quite some time. Terror supporters get excited when blood is shed, because it gives them the chance to quote silly religious cliches with sanctimonious grandeur. Knowing full well their ideology will lead to further bloodshed, they will still glory in their spineless episodes of foolishness Yep, you arent a member of the unholy trinity for nothing
What a nice comment SteveR. As an aside, I am against murder whoever does it; the Palestinians or the Israelis, or the catholics, or the protestants, etc. However, since you think that my thoughts contribute to this barbarism, let me say, I will not "intentionally" alter or change the word of God to stop this senseless murdering. All of their promised land will be restored.
Jeremiah 33:25. "Thus says the LORD, `If My covenant for day and night stand not, and the fixed patterns of heaven and earth I have not established, 26. then I would reject the descendants of Jacob and David My servant, not taking from his descendants rulers over the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. But I will restore their fortunes and will have mercy on them.' "
Jamie wrote: Frank how did she stand against Christ?
I thought long and hard as to whether I should answer your question or ignore it. Of course I researched this lady and she is certainly what I would call an evangelical feminist and of course she has some really strange ideas about monster drinks. Just read Tommieâ€™s post and most of her behavior is likely to expose her negative side although he meant it to be positive. The reason I hesitated on responding was that I was unable to come up with her theological belief system. In other words, the pope could have easily said the same things she said, soâ€¦. So what she said is okay as long as she was told by Christ to say it. If not, then my comment that you objected to stands. Anyway, in my opinion there are men who would have been brave enough and qualified enough to do what she did. To say otherwise like you suggest is pretty silly and if that is true she simply shouldnâ€™t have been there. If she shouldnâ€™t have been there, then she was in this instance standing against Christ; that is my position. Just because a woman is qualified to do something, does not mean she should in fact do it. It you disagree with that thought, then you support egalitarianism, which is my guess.
Michael Hranek wrote: What a subtle damnable, deadly, hateful and appeasing lie to call it "their land". It is like giving the Islamic-facists a hunting license to kill Jewish people, even if they are old men, women and children
The Land belongs to Israel, the children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the Only True and Living God gave it to them.
I agree Michael and He gave them more land as well and they will eventually occupy all that He has given them. Genesis 15:18 and Joshua 1:4.
James Thomas wrote: A faulty hermeneutic will be followed by people only due to the "smart" preacher who proclaims it to be true and the people deeming him an expert.
Very well said fellow Floridian! Christ is interested in who "we say he is", not the fellow standing in front of us with all his diplomas and oratorical skills. Those that teach this heresy will answer before a just and holy God and those that listen and agree with them will do the same.
M. Talbridge wrote: "Final" approval given by the Church of England to remove the Bible and become even more worldly in their Liberal religion. This heresy and idolatry completes their transition to the rejection of God and His Word to embrace the worldly ideology of Satan. The national "churches" of the United kingdom of Sodom and Gomorrah the CofE and the CofS demonstrate their unbiblical unchristian Liberal philosophy. Psalm 16:4 Their sorrows shall be multiplied that hasten after another god: their drink offerings of blood will I not offer, nor take up their names into my lips. Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. 16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides
Good comment. Yes the pseudo churches are following their cultures and cultures teach egalitarianism to their children from an early age and this is the outcome.
Jamie wrote: Ok. So how many men would have the courage to deliver the truth fearlessly in a forum like that? I don't care about your perception of her. God knows her heart. She did what God had her to do.
So did Judas and Caiaphas and all of the others who stood against Christ. As an aside, I didn't judge her heart, I simply repeated what she said and recounted what she did. Certainly you aren't into situation ethics are you? Do you know what her motives were?
I don't know how many men would have had the courage to do that; do you?
For offenses must come, but woe be to that man by whom the offense comes. Notice my paraphrase says "must come".
Okay, if this was a real church, then the below scripture would apply. If it wasnâ€™t a real church, then what was she doing there? Remember her main objection was that Muslims were praying in a Christian church; hence she must have thought it was a genuine church of Christ. She said something like go back to your mosques and pray; so apparently she thought that would have been okay.
1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1 Timothy 2:12 I do not allow a woman to teach, or to have authority over a man; she must keep silent. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve; 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.
If Christianity is an exclusive faith as Christ taught, then the following is true. If someone is not in Christ, then they are somewhere else. If they are somewhere else, then whether they understand it or not, Satan is their de facto ruler and king. If Satan is their de facto king, then how can we criticize or praise them for correctly following or not following the tenets of their faith or belief system. Our criticism is tantamount to saying â€śyou have not correctly followed Satanâ€ť and our praise is â€śyou have correctly followed Satanâ€ť. To a Christian there is only â€śone Kingâ€ť and only He can be obeyed or not obeyed. The pope's god is satan.
If the Pope says it is wrong to commit adultery it is a true statement that lacks a moral foundation. If a Christian says the same thing it is both true and moral since he/she are simply speaking forth a truth given to them by the Holy Spirit. Certainly we must all agree that the Spirit must reside within someone for that person to speak on behalf of the Spirit?
Satanâ€™s great lie to the church today has been to attribute good works to good motives. The motive behind what we do or not do is what is important. Jesus clearly said that without Him we could do nothing, but Satan has said we donâ€™t need Christ to do good works.
John UK wrote: Frank, that is a most interesting account of a real event, thanks for telling it. Could you add to it by saying what exactly did you say to that demon who refused to budge?
Anyway, I had never encountered that sort of thing before and I had no advanced notice, so I simply asked the Lord to cast the demon out; for it to come out in the name of Jesus. Well maybe a little wordier than that, but pretty much just calling upon His name. I did it several times and the fellow would sometimes quiet down but then resume his very unusual behavior. I did it verbally using a normal tone of speech. The next day he was worse, so I know whatever I did, didn't work. Of course this is a much longer story than I am making it here. I'm still not sure why it didn't come out, but I can say with certainty, that it didn't come out of him. The only positive I came away with was that the Lord brought this unusual circumstance into my life; just not sure why. I mean, how many Christians have an experience like that? If it ever happens again, I would change nothing in what I did or said at this point.
I know some people doubt demon possession in our modern world, but I can say with certainty, this fellow was possessed with a demon(s)and he knew it.
So, they now want to restrict our religious freedoms and make us pay for things that are against our consciences through health care. But, if we just think about it, Planned Parenthood received over 540 million in tax dollars last year which was something like half of their budgets from our tax dollars. So we are already paying to murder these little children. The sad thing that many donâ€™t realize is that our freedoms have been restricted for years. To be exact, Richard Nixon started giving them tax dollars in 1970. And if someone doesnâ€™t think that signing up for 501C3 exemptions isnâ€™t limiting then they are also sadly mistaken. It is time we all started thinking of ourselves as Strangers and Pilgrims in a fallen world.