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John UK wrote: Quite so, fellow pilgrim. I did some research about 15 years ago, concerning Nicky Gumbel of Holy Trinity Brompton, in England. If you've not come across him, he was the Anglican who introduced the pseudo "Toronto Blessing" to the UK, and also the one who developed the deceptive "Alpha Course" which soon went worldwide. I read some of his material, and decided that despite some seemingly Christian content, he never had much of an idea of what Christianity was designed to do. I think the worst thing was his description of a non-Christian, whom he compared to a TV set with bad reception due to not having an aerial plugged in. His solution? Plug the aerial in. If the gospel message is incorrect, pseudo converts are the natural result. Useful resources: http://www.banner.org.uk/misc/alpha.html
No, I have never heard of that fellow, but of course I am familiar with the Toronto blessing movement. That was the most outlandish heresy I think I have ever watched. I also read a while back about the alpha course, but don't remember anything except it was heretical.
I am also familiar with the link you posted and used to read the articles, but it has been years now since I read one. Anyone in particular?
Ladybug wrote: Well said Frank, i hope the forum police do not jump all over you for the truth you have stated.
Thanks sister. IMO, it doesn't matter whether they do or not. I said what I said in love and truth and that is all that matters. When someone can say that honestly from the heart, then it really doesn't matter if "everyone" is against them or everyone for them.
I guess I am not much of a politician. I usually ignore Dolores unless she has said something doctrinal that might be confusing to the casual reader who is not familiar with her. I will sometimes debate with her, but never dialogue with her.
Now I may be wrong in this statement and I admit it. But I consider her to simply be an ecumenical troll who enjoys the discontent she brings.
ladybug wrote: We should weigh our words carefully, and always speak truth in love; the key is to have a right understanding of what love is. We also cannot know another's motive. Sadly, some have taken it upon themselves to referee and police comments, then believe they know the motive/intent on which comments are made. In any case, I do not regret and stand by my questioning of Dolores and her claims concerning the Holy Spirit and decisional regeneration. This sermon by George Everard entitled 'daily talk' is most beneficial - http://www.gracegems.org/Everard/daily_talk.htm
Well sister, I don't know Dolores' heart anymore than anyone else does, but I do understand what she says. Most of us are literate enough to do that.
She aligns herself with the ecumenical movement which 99 percent of those on this forum reject as being not in the faith. So, since she writes with that intent, I am left with no choice but to understand that is her intent.
Has anyone taken the time to listen to any false preacher, such as Joel Osteen or Rick Warren, etc.? Sometimes they do speak the truth, but that is only to confuse the naive. If you ask Rick Warren how we are saved; he will say by grace through faith. Then listen further to him and ....
Christopher000 wrote: Hi Frank, maybe by professing belief, saying, "I believe" is more of an affirmation than making a choice, an action, to the fact that we were drawn to Him? We are known to Him before the foundation of the world, so "choosing" to believe is more like affirming that we've become His? I don't know if that will make sense to anyone. I know what I mean but might have to try and figure out how to phrase it better.
It makes perfect sense to me and I think you phrased it perfectly. I like the thought about affirmation rather than a choice. Thanks!
I must admit that this holiday doesnât make me ponder scripture or Godâs goodness and mercy more than any other day. It doesnât even tempt me to be more thankful in any way more than any other day of the year. To me it is simply a chaotic time when we get lots of company and since I am the one responsible for the turkey, it is more hectic for me. Unfortunately we go through this every year, the same as with the other holidays that America celebrates.
Yes, I do give thanks to the Lord for so many of you who have enriched my life and for His unbelievable grace, mercy and love for each of us who belong to Him.
Interesting discuss that touches on free will. I would ask this question, how can someone resist irresistible persuasion? IOW, the day that Christ saved me, I had no idea or thought about coming to Christ, but before that day was over, I belonged to Him.
 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.  No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.  And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. (Jhn 6:37, 44, 65 KJV)
Notice the ones that the Father has chosen will come to the Son. It doesnât say they may or may not. This fits extremely well with election. The Father chose from before the foundation of the world. When the time came, He gave the sinner knowledge and irresistible persuasion took place. It also clearly implies that unless this drawing takes place, then man is simply dead in his sins. So, the question becomes, did this individual that was chosen (elected) and drawn at a certain time in history have the ability to reject this drawing. How can a spirit that is completely dead, make a moral decision unless it is first quickened? Who makes it alive?
GSMontana wrote: Am I the only one who got a laugh out of the Icy comet theory? Frank, I listened to Hugh Ross debate Kent Hovind once, and was disgusted by the tripe he espouses.
Thanks brother, I agree with you. I have been debating this old earther, Hugh Ross fan, for years and unfortunately he has sent me books that Hugh authored to somehow prove his points. What Hugh does is try and make young earthers appear to be simply stubborn and stupid. He tries to make our holy bible into something it isn't; an apologetic for evolution. He and most don't know, but Ankerberg as well say the bible teaches an old earth "literally".
I am a little surprised but glad that someone has actually heard of this movement. Billions of years of life and death and then God decided to form Adam.
Mike wrote: The Holy Spirit has yet to convict Christians that the love of money is the root of all evil. Anyone wonder at this? Words indeed do mean things, and if true words and the Spirit work in tandem to convict, we need decide whether to abide the Holy Spirit, or defend the error.
I agree Mike! When I was first saved I understood the Holy Spirit's statement regarding loving money. Now years later, I understand that thought more and more because I am better at looking within and at my world. We are all works in progress; that is for sure.
In order to bring Christ down to our level, the antichristâs movement must first bring Christâs true followers down. How will this be done? History shows us that the first mass killing of Christians occurred when Rome under Nero branded Christians a hate group because they did not worship Nero or Romeâs pagan idols. They hadnât done anything wrong, but they simply chose to follow Christ and not man.
The Nazis did the same thing to the Christians under Hitler demanding allegiance to him rather than to Christ. In todayâs world how difficult would it be to declare all Christians to be detrimental to society in some fashion or another. Look at the homophobic article as a good example and there are many others.
Most people due to Vatican IIâs media blitz for the first time consider RC to be synonymous with Christianity and we are all aware of how historical RC has treated those that differ with them. The western media has been instrumental in attributing all sorts of hate speech, pedophilia, greed, fraud, etc. to Christianity. Any group that names the name of Christ regardless of how they define Him are considered by the lost to represent Christianity and unfortunately are accepted by so many professing Christians to be part of their fold.
I have sort of an unusual way of looking at scientific discoveries; they simply donât matter to me whether or not they support the true biblical young earth and 6 literal days of creation or they donât support it. I am not a scientist and most here are not as well, so all we are reading are theoretical scientific findings and our preconceived notions to support or deny them. I never or try to never to support or interpret the bible using science; perhaps historical findings, but that is about as far as I go. The only acceptable thing to a Christian is to interpret science by Godâs word, not the other way around; the same as cultural mores should be decided by scripture and not the whim of mankind. If you say this to the average person today, they will truly believe you are brainwashed and incapable of logical thought, but then I am supposed to appear foolish to the world and I do. Praise His holy name!
The old earth creation movement championed by Dr. Hugh Ross is even more sinister than the evolutionistâs movement, although they will deny most of their similarities. They mix truth and error and cater to the whims of all camps; well except Godâs true children.
So, I purposefully didnât read the article because I simply donât care what they say.
GSMontana wrote: As much as I hate the NIV, its a little silly to blame aids or sodomy on the NIV. Apostasy sure, but not aids. I doubt most sodomites own a bible of any translation.
I agree with you; he was not referring to professing Christians in his original post when he was referring to those male prostitutes. They didn't even have the NIV or any other reprobate translation. And my guess is Sodom and Gomorrah didn't have the NIV either. I wonder which translation of the OT they had back then?
I truly have a hard time understanding why folks just don't say, "I am KJVO and be done with it.
pencil man wrote: The NIV editors aided the AIDS epidemic by silencing Godâs warnings against sodomy. in ( 1 Kings 15:12 ),( 1 Kings 22:46 ),and(2 Kings 23:7 ). They change "sodomite" to shrine male prostitutes. How would you really know what these "prostitutes" really are, if you depended on the corrupt NIV translation.
Okay, let me take a shot at this even though I don't own an NIV. Throughout history, women have generally not paid men to have sex with men. So, if men are selling themselves for money, it is pretty certain they are selling themselves to other men. And it would be pretty rare indeed for men to do this unless they were homosexuals.
So, I would say that a shrine male prostitute was a male that was selling themselves to other men. If you walked up to someone on the street and asked them what a male prostitue was, they would know.
I personally rarely use the term sodomite, but have nothing whatsoever against it. I usually say homosexual or lesbian unless I am caught of guard and then sometimes I actually say "gay", but then I immediately confess that to my heavenly Father.
The NIV had nothing to do with AIDS. People become sodomites because they reject God and His grace and mercy and they want to live decadent lives.
I donât think the church has been called to ensure that societal mores are compatible with Christianity. The church, like Christ, is not a political or judicial body, but a body that proclaims repentance and salvation in Christ and how Christians should conduct their affairs while in this sinful world. But as we all know, the church itself is being infiltrated by evil men who not only want homosexuality socially acceptable, but also acceptable to Christâs church. Other than various forms of feminism, I know of no other immoral behavior that seeks not only tolerance from Christâs children, but total acceptance as well.
As I, other Christians, and the corporate body of Christ become even more exposed to this behavior, we should never shrink back or be ashamed of God, His word, and what He (scripture) has said concerning this sin. It should be clear to everyone that we donât have to look for a fight in this area, the fight is coming to us. I am a stranger and alien in a world that will grow worse and more evil and will one day be destroyed by the One who created it. We canât change them through activism, but when called upon we should expose them and then give them the gospel of our Lord and Savior and tell them they will face the wrath of God.
Christopher000 wrote: Hi Frank, I was thinking along the same lines. A 10 year old child, a chronically mis-behaven child, hits you over the head with a bottle and laughs, thinking it's hilarious. The parents see it and say, "Now you go apologjze right now!" I always laugh to myself when I hear things like this because they're meaningless, as if a kid who knows better (or an adult) apologizing will make everything better, change anything, or make them think twice the next time around or change their thought process, etc.
Thanks Chris, yes we do agree on this. This pastor asking a politician to apologize for something is such a worldly thought process. You said it very well as usual; thanks. It would mean absolutely nothing.
I find it hilarious and somewhat sad that there are no men on SA that are qualified to lead and teach except those who donât lead and teach. In our secular world it goes like; yes go out and work and provide for your family and then lift the heavy objects; but go no further. I may or may not ask your opinion of other things; but probably will just to keep you in the game. This is the result of evangelical feminism and feminism where the men must pragmatically simply say yes, maybe and good job; it destroys families and churches like Trojan Horses. It is like a virus that goes undetected, but it is very destructive and destroys us slowly but surely from within. Like I said early on, âit is a heart issueâ. It certainly doesnât apply to all our female posters and especially all our Christian wives. I think it is safe to say it applies to some here and everywhere.
There is no instance of a woman taking the role or heart mindset of a teacher or leader of men. It is a heart issue and most women who are guilty of this canât see it. Why, because they lack discernment and/or they have the mindset of Eve. The issue has nothing whatsoever to do with equality in the Lord, but with purpose and roles. Anyway, of course if this shoe fits wear it, if not ignore it.
Allie, thanks for your comment and once again for your passion. Anyone who practices the sin of murdering babies or supporting those who commit murder aren't in the faith. Satan loves murder including the murder of those who belong to him.
 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.  Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.  Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.  And because I tell [you] the truth, ye believe me not.  Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?  He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God. (Jhn 8:42-47 KJV)
Dave wrote: are we really that surprised by this?We are seeing prophetic scripture unfold before our eyes. "As in the days of Noah......"
Excellent comment and it certainly puts the why these issues are becoming more prevalent in perspective. Come quickly, Lord Jesus come quickly. His timing is perfect and we can only hope and pray it is soon.
John UK wrote: Thanks for putting a lot of flesh on my bone, Frank. Yes, quite right. I'm glad that my fellowship regards elders as mere brothers, with Christ Jesus being the head of the church. Thusly, all in the church are seen as equals and equally responsible to the Lord to behave towards him as Lord. This comes out especially so in the BOB service, where the Lord is the one in charge, and the brethren seek to speak, pray, or give thanks for the bread and wine, just as the Spirit leads them. It took some getting used to, but I am now seeing how biblical it is.
Luke 22:24.And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.25. And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. 26. But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve. 27. For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth.
I thought I took care of this evangelical feminist issue early on. I hope no one is trying to draw me back into the discussion. If anyone is confused, they should simply go back and review my posts, but if they aren't sufficient, I have drawn up a very good one that I will post. I was reluctant because it could be considered divisive and unkind, but in reality it isn't. Or they can email me and we can discuss it further. I have written more on feminism than on "almost" any other subject.