Joe the Protestant wrote: After hearing of this I e mailed the dept. This: I just read a news article in which Ky. DOJJ has ordered a Pastor to stop telling people homosexuality is a sin. I don't know if this article is true, but if it is. This is setting a bad president, that will lead to states coming into churches to do the same. Freedom of religious expressing (I'm speaking of course of non violent) is being hampered in the public arena already. Please do not add to it. And this is the response I got. "H. DJJ staff, volunteers, interns, and contractors, in the course of their work, shall not refer to juveniles by using derogatory language in a manner that conveys bias towards or hatred of the LGBTQI community. DJJ staff, volunteers, interns, and contractors shall not imply or tell LGBTQI juveniles that they are abnormal, deviant, sinful, or that they can or should change their sexual orientation or gender identity." I guess they are "Open and Inclusive" unless you are a Christian.
Thanks brother; that was interesting. Now let's see what happens when a Muslim violates their rules. My guess is nothing.
Tray B wrote: Thanks for your kind reply. Protest? they need Preaching!!! THAT is my opinion:
I would say without a lot of in-depth research that he is a charlatan. Anyone who is a frequent guest on Fox News and CNN cannot really stand for anything except to make money off of the unsuspecting. However, let me add that I truly donât know much about this fellow, so others can decide for themselves at this point. If you have a referral as to his thoughts on the gospel and salvation, then I will listen to or read it.
Yes, I totally agree that we need preaching instead of protest. But preaching probably wonât make the major media and protest normally does.
Tray B wrote: Protest? they need Preaching!!! from McGuire 7/27/15
Tray, do you have an opinion of things or are you just going to quote "your" prophet?
Thanks Observer and MS and Dorcas for agreeing with me. If the media picks up the story and runs with it, then I simply look for the misdirection I noted. Even Jim from Lincoln could run with this story, so
But, Luke 17:10, please don't misunderstand me. I am glad they protested even though I would choose to not be among them. If just one little life can be saved, then it is worth it.
pennned wrote: Christopher, I just noticed your personal comment, hadn't seen it before. Yes, you think I was harsh. That's alright, I think in due time you will understand, I've seen you grow in the Lord even in this short time. The truth is that I am frustrated for you. You are walking a similar path that my family has walked, let me tell you there are others out there that have asked the tougher questions and have found answers, the Lord be with you.
Moniker lady, that has to be one of the most condescending comments I have ever seen and it is NOT TRUE.
Now to the topic. I took vaccines as a youth and I have recently taken the shingle vaccine and every year I get the flu vaccine. Now if I were to get sick or even die from one of those, my conscience would be clear. I simply don't know what the results would be if I didn't take the vaccine and there is no way to determine that. I am just against, within certain exceptions, the government mandating that I or my family take them.
To me this issue is simply misdirection where âsomeâ conservatives can pretend to be pro-life as outlined in scripture. Reminds me of Palin saying Roe V. Wade should be overturned and the right to abortion should be left up to the states. So, the states can then decide to murder these innocent lives
What they should be protesting is the murder of these innocent lives. Let them show videos of these little babies being torn apart or burned to death in the place that should be the safest for them. It was the mothers of these children that volunteered their children to be slaughtered, so I donât have a clue how they were betrayed. I guess what I am saying is these body parts didnât belong to anyone and they are making a distinction between putting the parts in a trash can versus selling them. Both acts are barbaric, but I simply donât see much of a moral difference, except the buyers of these body parts are now complicit.
Now since my comment is odd, let me add this so that no one misunderstands me. I think that the mothers, doctors, and anyone who assists doctors in performing an abortion should be charged with murder. And those that support this movement by their votes, etc. will answer to the Lord.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Frank, all you have to do is look at the file, PDF type, preservation of Scripture. this article by a professor of the New Testament at the Detroit Theological Seminary, should explain it to you. I have to say the first time I heard about the KJVO arguments. "You can't really mean that!". after all these years, that is still the most perfect statement on the situation. I'm somewhat tongue-in-cheek about the Geneva Bible, but except for a certain group most people consider it better then the KJV by a long ways. anyway, for free you can see the Geneva 1599 Bible in contemporary English on the BibleGateway site. I'm quite happy with the NASB or for that matter the ESV. as I have stated in previous messages, I am sympathetic with the NKJV. So Mike looking at the above statement do I really have that many lines in the water?
Jim, I never even hinted that I was seeking help or assistance regarding this issue. In fact, I offered to help if called upon.
Jim Lincoln wrote: This is an interesting article (You should have read it, Frank, though rightfully, it wouldn't and shouldn't have changed the opinion you expressed) Now, I have railed against the faith-based intitiative q.v., The Faith-Based Initiative and âCharitable Choiceâ: Harmful to Religious Liberty and Civil Rights. Too bad more Christians don't. But I'm thoroughly against government money going to this NGO (Non-government organization) also It's time that taxpayer money goes against this liberal faith-based initiative as well.
Just a quick question. Now I know that mankind isn't saved through their moral conduct, so please no IOM link.
But, how many of my points did/does Obama agree with
This is such a confusing thread and all I see are circular arguements!
Now to the best of my knowledge there are no textual critics posting on this thread. I know with certainty that no one has ever seen the original manuscripts.
Now with that said, then the standard of which translation is the best or the one that God preserved is simply based on our itching ears, what we have been taught by others or what I normally see is an ad hominem attack. IOW, the KJ translators were genuine born again believers while others, such as Westcott and Hort were evil non-believing men.
Most simply use the term âmodernâ translations to vilify an inaccurate translation, but as I have pointed out frequently, the KJV was modern when it came out. So even the concept of modernity has its limitations; surely everyone has to agree with that.
I am not interested in discussing my viewpoint on this thread, so I hope no one responds to this. It is just my 2 cents.
Anyway, I wrote a meditation on the infallibility of scripture and if anyone wants it, just send me an email. I will admit that it isn't very good, but it does discuss the issue using a different perspective.
MS wrote: One of the books reviewed and glowingly recommend by this young man currently pursuing ordination in the PCA...he suggests that the 40 short chapters would each be suitable as a meditation for the 40 days of *LENT* ..... Another hireling...
I liked your comment so much I decided to not even read the article. If he gave credence to the RCC "lent", then he is not worth reading. Sounds like another heretic/hireling.
First of all, so that I am not misunderstood, I sincerely hope that he succeeds with his endeavor, but I feel he is just making a political move.
Now, if he or any politician says something like; abortion is murder and will be prosecuted; homosexuality is an abomination and all those that practice it will undergo God wrath; greed is in fact not a wonderful endeavor, but is a form of idolatry; and lastly feminism is evil in all its respects and is probably the biggest single cultural change that has caused most of our societal problems, then I will vote for them.
I am under the impression that âBig Brothersâ has had a requirement for years that someone canât attempt to evangelize the children they are trying to help. I am also of the opinion that Hospice will reject anyone who says they will present the gospel to the dying. Anyway, if I am right about these two, then this doesnât surprise me in the least.
The U.S. is a pluralistic country where it is thought that it is okay to be a Christian, but don't tell others they have to become Christians or they will face the wrath of our holy and just God.
And if you are a business owner and try and determine who you will sell to and who you won't (no homosexuals) then you will lose the law suit that will be filed against you. Same goes for teachers, politicians, et al.
Observer wrote: You don't have to take history lessons from SteveR especially when we all know that he is very selective in what he shares. He googled it and turned to Wikipedia for help. This is what the article goes on to state: "The phrase "Liever Turks dan Paaps" was coined as a way to express that life under the Ottoman Sultan would have been more desirable than life under the King of Spain.The Flemish noble D'Esquerdes wrote to this effect that he: "would rather become a tributary to the Turks than live against his conscience and be treated according to those [anti-heresy] edicts" âLetter of Flemish noble D'Esquerdes. The slogan Liever Turks dan Paaps seems to have been largely rhetorical however, and the Dutch hardly contemplated life under the Sultan at all. Ultimately, the Turks were infidels, and the heresy of Islam alone disqualified them from assuming a more central (or consistent) role in the rebels' program of propaganda." So remember to take a very large dose of salt with anything that that RCC troll writes.
Thanks brother! It is so good seeing you post again. I usually only engage our RCC/ecumenical troll when I think he might confuse someone. And thanks for sending me "the rest of the story".
s c wrote: Excellent observation,Frank! The way I see it,these news items are just a distraction to the enemy within. We have our worst enemies among ourselves and other nations know it. They don't have to waste their time and resources destroying us; they can sit back and watch us do it to ourselves and then,like a vulture,clean up thereafter.
I agree sister! The main fight that all mankind has is a spiritual battle that wages war within each of us. Thanks for your comment.
SteveR wrote: (yawn) Same insecurity different century Reformation era Catholics clamed the Protestant cult was an Islamic financed scheme, that recognition gained traction when Protestants allied w/Turks against the Hapsburgs The phrase Liever Turks dan Paaps ("Rather a Turk than a Papist"), was the Protestant slogan of the Dutch in their rebellion against Catholic Spain
Thanks for the history lesson. You must be the only one who hasn't seen the pope kissing the koran. I truly hope that one day you realize the significance of that. As an aside, are you aware of the RC doctrine of invincible ignorance. You don't have to answer that, just google it and you will learn a lot about their worldwide agenda. This doctrine doesn't apply to me because I was told by an catholic apologist that since I truly understood catholicism and still rejected it, then I was eternally damned.
When I read about Islam versus RC, I simply think of competing cults. I have often said that the RCC was satanâs church and I mean that because it is the closest counterfeit and is able to confuse the most who are in some manner seeking Christ. They are both the same in the respect that they have both redefined our Lord and Savior and the true Christ wonât be found among them. As Chris noted, their goals are to lead people down the broad path. The RCC is of course the most ecumenical of the two and most have seen pope John Paul II kissing the Koran. Ecumenicalism is a far greater threat to the true faith than Islam is. The strongest spiritual battle is for the souls of men, not their lives. So a Muslim cuts the heads off of 100 people and the RCC leads 1,000 astray; which is worse? That is the way I look at it.
Now I didnât read the article, but from the front page it would appear that satan is pretending to fight against himself which of course confuses a lot of people. But as long as we all realize that the enemy of our enemy is not necessarily our friend, then we should be able to absorb these silly comments.
Observer wrote: The only gibberish I see is that which exists in your inane ramblings on a subject on which you're so clearly out of your depth!! Give it a break Jim, before everyone discovers your true motivation and the spirit that animates you to post such utterly ignorant trash on here.
My goodness, what a pleasant surprise seeing you posting again. You got me back on the forum and then you dropped off. But looking through the thread, I did notice that you were sick. I will pray tonight for a speedy recovery.
As an aside, Jim is a liberal troll that has a masters in psych and thinks he can manipulate the minds of God's children.
This issue is the same as asking what the Nazis were going to do with the teeth, hair, etc. that they took from the Jews who were murdered. I can just picture some hypocritical bystander saying what they were doing with the body parts of those poor Jewish victims was inhumane or something like that. I canât believe the cultures of the world has deteriorated so much in such a short time. And most people will be distracted by the silliness of it. The issue is the cultures of the world have murdered over a billion of these innocent little lives for convenience/financial sake. Those involved will not be held unaccountable by our Lord and Savior on judgment day; that is for sure.
joe j wrote: Murdering unborn babies is not inhumane,are you kidding me, vengeance is mine says the Lord.
Good comment. Until I hear a politician say that abortion is murder and should be prosecuted as such, I simply ignore the spins they are trying to put on this evil practice. From the moment of conception this is a life in the womb and should be protected by our government - period.