KK wrote: Dear ladybug I have, in many other posts, attempted to explain to you your DUTY as a Christian in American âââ and here we are again âââ as far as I'm concerned if you don't put skin in the game you've got nothing to say about anything concerning America âââ you're the kind of person that would debate whether or not God would want you to put a plug in a hole in the boat while it's sinking ... you just don't get itâŚ . OKAY here is another attempt to OPEN your eyes: Please go to the link below, scroll down for part one and listen to Robert Jeffers âââ *it's a two part message* ââ IMPO Robert Jeffers is a Top man of God Pathway to Victory, Dr. Robert Jeffress explains why America isâand has always beenâa Christian nation. http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/pathway-to-vict.. Sooo if this doesn't help then all I've got left for you is ââââââ WHATEVER ââ YOU JUST SIT ON THE SIDELINES AND "PLAY THE PART" OF THE HOLLY SPECTATOR ââââ Please keep us all informed and let us know if we perform well enough to please youâŚ Keep us all informed and let us know
Is that the Jeffers that panders to the RCC on Fox news?
This has been an interesting discussion. IMO, it boils down to whether or not someone thinks their vote will make this country more acceptable in the eyes of God. Like U.S. said, I feel so blessed to have the comforts that we have, but then again, I believe Christians in NK or Iran are equally blessed not to have these comforts. The happiest and most blessed believers I have ever encountered were in communist Romania. Notice the lives of those saints who are noted in Hebrews chapter 11. Another way of looking at this is how many of us could say our earthly lives were not more comfortable than the Apostles earthly lives? Are we really going to think that we are being blessed more by the comforts we are given than they were?
So, I think it is our mindset behind our decision to vote or not to vote and who to vote for. But, if someone thinks that our Lord needs the unregenerate to accomplish his purposes or His love for His church, then they are being deceived; that is a form of dominionism. My Lord is all loving and sovereign and doesnât need some corrupt politician to bring about His addenda for this nation or for any other nation.
U.S., Ladybug, I liked the verses you provided. Made me really think! THANKS
Kev wrote: Hey Frank, Penned and Ladybug. Luke 14:25-27 25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them, 26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. 27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. If one does not Love Christ more than anything he cannot be a disciple. Our prayers should always be like Jesus's prayer 'Thy Kingdom Come' our cry should be like that of John 'come Lord Jesus' John says this even after the vision of all the tribulation that is to come before Jesus's return. I expect things to get worse and whatever happens I am one day closer to the Lord's return. Even through the labor pains of Christ's return I hope to rejoice and be glad in it! No matter the pain there is and I should keep in mind all this is temporal and should set my face to things eternal. I know to be absent from the body is to be home with the Lord and I should spend my days on this earth fighting the good fight till I'm home I'm sure all you guys feel the same way
Good comment brother. The only thing is most of us define the "good fight" differently.
ladybug wrote: " there are too many still yet who LOVE GOD AND COUNTRY and are not willing to let it all slip through their fingers" - What does the Bible say? 'Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.'1 John 2:15 'Â For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ' Phil. 3:20 ' But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.' Hebrews 11:16 ' For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.' Hebrews 13:14 'Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.' 2 Peter 3:13
Good comment sister! IMO, the world is anything that comes into my life that draws me away from serving or worshiping Christ. That necessarily happens, but I wonât love anything that does that. Many believe that some form of patriotism is a sign of Christian love/conduct. Well how about NK, China and Iran, etc. Should those believers love and promote their governments? No, the evil systems that satan is running wonât last when Christ returns.
If I were contemplating voting for or giving consent for a pastor or an elder, then I would ponder the spiritual make-up of those I am voting for. As far as politics go, I only consider which one of the unsaved candidates will perhaps follow at least some of the mandates of scripture. It doesnât matter to me if they do the right things for the right reason or for the wrong reason; simply that they do the right things.
Now as I have said many times, Clinton and Trump are simply different shades of the same color. Both are unregenerate and neither can do anything to please God. But, if I do vote, it canât be for Hillary because she is a woman - period. And aside from that, she doesnât pander to the conservative Christian at all; whereas Trump at least panders to me. Because he does pander to the genuine Christian church, there might be only 999,999 babies murdered instead of 1 million.
Because Hillary doesnât pander, her sinful thought are open, like the sins of Sodom were. IOW, she doesnât even try and conceal them. God makes special mention of them here:
Isaiah 3:9 The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.
Well Jim, I am not going to read your links. If you are saying that the doctors had to choose between saving the mother or saving the baby, then they should have saved the mother. If the baby died in the process, that is not immoral. What is immoral is your position that the baby should be targeted when a doctor thinks it could affect the mother's health.
Jim, you have gone too far in your liberal trollish agenda and like I have said, none of your arguments will fool anyone and it won't change their opinions of you. Perhaps you should bow out?
There is no one that I am aware of on this forum that agrees with you. I asked you this once before and of course you didn't answer. Do you really believe that you are the sole bearer of truth on this forum?
connor wrote: ladybug wrote: Jim L, " but one should remember that the aborted ones most likely will have a much better future than politicians and the power-hungry." What in the world is your point? Are you stating that it's okay to murder, since they end up in heaven anyway? If not, please explain what your point is." Guys Jim completely dodged this question, Jim you're still appealing to authority, your conservative Jew card won't get you anywhere, no soup for you. Mike and Frank, really good comments, Frank if you want to e-mail that meditation that be great.
Just sent it. Let me know if you have any concerns with what I said!
There is âneverâ a medical need to target the life of an unborn baby in the womb. The abortion movement simply calls it part of a womanâs healthcare because that sells well in the minds of the lost. Just read Jim from Lincoln comments to better understand this. Once again the below paragraph is from a pro-life medical site.
"When the life of the mother is truly threatened by her pregnancy, if both lives cannot simultaneously be saved, then saving the motherâs life must be the primary aim. If through our careful treatment of the motherâs illness the pre-born patient inadvertently dies or is injured, this is tragic and, if unintentional, is not unethical and is consistent with the pro-life ethic. But the intentional killing of an unborn baby by abortion is never necessary."
And the exceptions for rape and incest which sell very well in our pseudo-conservative movement is also murder. The child in the womb has done nothing to deserve being murdered. If the pain is too much for a woman, she can easily put her child up for adoption.
Abortion was originally designed as a form of eugenics. The goal was to liberate women, restrict population growth and to remove those that were thought to be inferior.
NeedHim wrote: Jim: Sadly to state but our large cities like Chicago, DC, & others, that have been Democratic run for multiple on going years. Have the highest murding rates in the nation & also, at the same time, the strictest gun laws in the nation, as well also. Secondly Abortions are the number one killer in minority neighborhoods, what a hypercritical joke, when pro-deathers, talk about specifically about health care for families. Thank goodness regardless who is in the Whitehouse, their is no King, but Christ alone. For their is no other means that one can be saved, through His saving gift of reconciliation alone. For one isn't prepared to die, without the saving gift of His justifying act of imputing His righteousness into ones life amen.
Well said! Yes, Christ is Lord and rules in the hearts of His children. All of His true children have an immense desire to walk in a manner worthy of their Lord and Savior. When they fail, as most do constantly, they fall on their knees and thank Him for His forgiveness. Yes, He does indeed cleans us from all unrighteousness. Amen!
Oh and Grudem signed the Manhattan Declaration; therefore I didn't read the article.
connor wrote: Thanks Frank for the e-mail, I'm not feeling good so I kinda just glossed over it for now but I'll go back and read it, but I agree with your point with man and lady being one and the application concerning voting. So you would say that single women could vote right?
My thoughts were simply to show God's original design for men/women and how foreign that design is from the current cultures. Most would say I was guilty of some type of Misogyny.
At this point, I think it is impossible to reverse, so my thoughts were mostly philosophical and really have no present day practical application; except to make us ponder.
I asked my wife one time if she would give up her vote to eliminate all of the liberal agendas and she "simply looked at me and didn't answer".
Your question is a good one about single women and I will say I haven't thought that through yet.
But, let me say again, my thoughts were mostly philosophical and have no practical application today.
Thanks for your encouraging comment and I'm glad my email blessed you!
connor wrote: Why shouldn't be allowed to vote? Sincere question open for anyone who believes it, I'm open to hear you. Also, this is open for everyone, what is the difference between attacking someone, like, "They are attacking Trump because of his views." And state the truth about someone, "Hilary supports murder."
Yes, Hillary does support murder and just about every other abomination that scripture condemns. And just think, if women hadn't been given the right to vote, Hillary would not even be standing in front of us much less destroying our culture.
Yes, our parrot has no understanding of scripture and is simply trying to cause dissention.
Only our heavenly Father knows what His plans are for this nation and for every nation that exists or that will exist. I do know this; there is no spiritual difference between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. Those that attempt to say one is more godly than the other are simply trying to differentiate between two people that belong to satan by using some sort of balance scale. Either they are in Christ or they are not. And, if they donât belong to Christ, then they belong to the evil one. And who in the world except someone who adheres to a social gospel would attempt to define Donald Trump as a Christian?
Now scripture teaches the closer we get to the end of the age, the more our heavenly Father will turn over the lost to their own evil desires. I donât mind saying that God will judge the nations and if He does it, then it is wonderful, loving and âjustâ. But, I will personally not help Him do that except by proclaiming the true gospel which will cause the tares to hate us even more.
As I have said before, if I vote I will vote for Trump simply because instead of 1 million babies being slaughter, perhaps only 999,999 will be murdered.
ladybug wrote: You are right sc, it does not matter the age, they only desire to kill those who are the most vulnerable.
Yes sister, once Pandoraâs Box has been opened; âit cannot be shut againâ. All sins against our Creator start with just a little leaven and then it destroys the whole lump.
One of the results of evolution is the concept of people becoming âuseless eatersâ. So unless it is one of our loved ones, then assisting them to stop using up resources is a logical choice for them. Food, energy, healthcare and a host of other societal and earthly resources could then be given to those who produce things instead of us old-timers.
Yes, assisted suicide leads to euthanasia will always result in the forced or pressured ending of lives that were created in the image of God. This is already occurring in many parts of the world.
Reminds me of the concept of picking and choosing to satisfy our depravity.
Why not simply say that the word "miscarriage" didn't mean the child was born dead and that the NASB term yasa simply means to come forth. You do realize that God's word will not contradict itself? The normal word used for a miscarriage that led to death was:
nephel: miscarriage, abortion
But, like I have always said, you fool no one on this forum so I wonder why you continue posting? I only respond to you for the occasional reader who stops by.
Eisegesis:-The process of taking a preconceived belief and interpreting a biblical passage in a way that supports that belief. This is a very common phenomenon, although the interpreter is not generally conscious of the process.
Oh, I wrote a meditation on abortion. Although I am not a conservative Jew, you might find it helpful.
First, why presume the child is dead? Though the English word "miscarriage" entails this notion, nothing in the Hebrew wording suggests it. Yasa doesn't mean miscarriage; it means "to come forth." The word itself never suggests death.In fact, the word generally implies the opposite: live birth. If it's never translated elsewhere as miscarriage, why translate it that way here?
Second, what in the context itself implies the death of the child? There's nothing that does, nothing at all. The fine does not necessarily mean the child is dead, and even if it did this wouldn't indicate that the child wasn't fully human (as in the case of the slave in v. 32).
Third, ancient Hebrew had a specific word for miscarriage. It was used in other passages. Why not here? Because Moses didn't mean miscarriage. When his words are simply taken at face value, there is no confusion at all. The verse is clear and straight-forward. Everything falls into place.
Regardless of the translation, it's clear that killing the child--and the text does refer to the unborn as a child--is a criminal act. There is no justification for abortion-on-demand from the Torah. Instead, we have a reasonable--even powerful--argument that God views the unborn as valuable as any other human being.
Letâs take a quick look at Christian parenting. My guess is that the vast majority of Christians will say they are against feminism. Now I wonder how many of these parents have told their daughters they were proud of them for their biblical female traits; gentleness, quietness, and the desire to be wives, homemakers and mothers. Or do they tell them they are proud of them for their intelligence, their beauty and their independence and ability to earn independent livings? How many have told their male children they are proud of them because of their desire to be the Christian heads of their households, working and sacrificing for their wives and children and loving and cherishing their wives until death do them part? Or do they tell them they are proud of them for their ability to be successful in this world or are good at sports, etc. I remember one of my daughters graduating from a Christian High school 28 years ago. There was only one male who spoke who wanted to be a missionary and there were no young women who spoke who said their goal was to be a Christian wife and mother. Now since that was around 28 years ago, my guess is things have simply gotten worse and worse.
The fact that all of the ungodly people will vote for Hillary and all of the godly people, if they vote, will vote against her, is the most revealing thing. No Christian who claims Christ as their Lord and Savior would vote for Hillary because she is a woman. The moral conduct of either isnât really the âspiritualâ litmus test.
Now as Ladybug has pointed out, if someone wants to discount her gender, then Hillary is still the biggest supporter of abortion and homosexuality of any candidate that has ever run for public office.
But, Jim, just concentrate on how women leaders or rulers are a curse from God on the society that elects them. He in all probability will curse this nation even more than he has simply because of people like you.
Just ask yourself this question. Why isn't there one person on this forum that agrees with you? Are you the sole bearer of truth?
Why is it that debating with you is the same as debating with JohnY?
Repent Jim and throw yourself at the mercy of our Lord and Savior!
Isaiah 3:11, 11 Woe unto the wicked! it shall be ill with him: for the reward of his hands shall be given him. 12 As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.
Well, my way of looking the election is much simpler than most. Since Hillary is a woman, then she would be a curse from our heavenly Father if she was elected. If she was the godliest woman who walks on this earth, she would still be a curse.
Would anyone say that the godliest, most knowledgeable, and best Christian orator in the country should be allowed to preach if that person was a woman? The same rule applies to women in leadership positions.
Now I believe God is in the process, and has been cursing not only America, but all of the worldâs governments, I âwill notâ help Him do that.
Even though I am one of those who constantly criticize Hillary for her ungodly positions, to me the issue really is that she is a woman.
Stranger wrote: Our family went through this hurricane... 17 miles from the coast and it was relentless for 6 hours straight. It is only by the mercy of God that it wasn't worse. It changed us and we will no longer water down or fluff the truth of God's Holy Word. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God!
Amen! The things that have changed me the most were things that were negative things that I had no control over. I learned, often the hard way, to simply trust my Lord and Savior and His love for me. Yes, all things work together for our good!
I praise God that He spared you more suffering and drew you closer to Himself through what you experienced.