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Mrs. Blah, if a homosexual couple "can do" the below, let me know.
Genesis 5:2 He created them male and female, âŚ
Mark 10:6 âBut from the beginning of creation, God made them male and female.
Genesis 1:28 God blessed them; and God said to them, âBe fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; âŚ
Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, âBe fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth.
Leviticus 18:22 'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. 23. `Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion.
1 Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
Romans 1:26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I think the main problem with Christâs church and with society is the rise of feminism, especially evangelical feminism. Feminism has been the driving force for all liberal issues that have arisen. Feminism or course entered into the false professing church and our society pretty easily, but it had to disguise itself as a Trojan horse to get into the genuine church of our Lord. It became unkind and unchristian for men to speak out against women and their changing goals and agendas.
The scriptures had to be dummied down and reinterpreted by our church leaders. In they want to keep their jobs, they had better cater to the evangelical feminist in their midst. Now here is where I will in general agree with Allie; it was men who allowed this and therefore they are guiltier than the women who wanted it. Eve was deceived, but Adam wasnât; same principle exists today and that makes men more culpable than women. Feminism in the genuine church can be defeated and reversed, but in our culture it is permanent and cannot be undone. It will only get worse.
Proverbs 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
If parents love their children and their children become unruly, then they will use a switch, stick or belt and punish them. They will disobey the authorities who prohibit this because their love for God and His word and their children will trump even their desire to hang onto their children.
Matthew 13:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Christopher000 wrote: Boy, you know, my first though when I read about these mass killers is how do they even know who's who? They have no idea if they're killing infidels or their own.
Interesting Chris! Now my thought can be corrected because I couldn't find anything in writing to support it, but I think if they accidentally kill one of their own then that person is also thought to be part of jihad and they automatically get the 72 virgins as well. Just not as pretty I know that the "accidentally" killing of innocent civilians by the jihadists is also overlooked, since it was part of their service to allah; they would call it collateral damage. We sort of have the same thought when we bomb folks. We don't target the innocent, but if they are killed it is not really murder etc, just collateral damage.
I'm sure the different islamic sects view these things differently. For instance I don't think ISIS recognizes anyone outside of their sect as innocent, so they have no dilemma.
Jessica Dawson wrote: Thank you Frank, I appreciate your thoughtful comments and I agree! I especially appreciate your not accusing me of things like condoning sin, or being content with sinners being sent to hell. It is comforting to have a discussion where we can discuss Scriptures in their relevancy to today's issues without accusing one another. In Christ, Many blessings to you!
Thanks for your kind comment. I will be the first to admit that I often step over the line and "probably" am guilty of judging folks when I am simply trying to expose their wrong thoughts or their sins. There is a fine line involved and that is something only the Lord knows because He is of course aware of our intentions and motives. I usually get upset when someone accuses me of judging because I simply don't know how they can look into my heart.
I am going to ponder this thought. 99.9 percent (my guess) of homosexuals that profess Christianity along with their lifestyles would say that I was judging them.
Anyway, your comment was thoughtful and kind; thank you.
Jessica Dawson wrote: Paul says: "For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges..." Here is a link to 1 Corinthians 5, which explains how sexual immorality must be dealt with in regards to both God's people, and unbelievers: 1 Corinthians 5 New King James Version (NKJV) Jesus commanded that The Gospel be preached to every living creature, and as believers we are hated for testifying that the world's deeds are sinful. Yet God's people do not have the authority to judge/punish sinners, because the sinless Saviour Who walked the earth and died for our sins, proclaimed He came not to destroy people's lives but to save them. Luke 9:51-56 New King James Version (NKJV)
Jessica, I understand your thoughts completely. But, if I repeat what scripture says, then I am not judging anyone; the scriptures are. So, if scripture says that homosexuality is an abomination and those that practice those things will suffer the wrath of God; that is not me judging anyone.
Interesting thoughts about who should and who should not obey Godâs laws. Sin is repulsive to God, so repulsive that those who die in their sins will face His judgment. So, if something is offensive to our heavenly Father, then why would I not care if people practice those things whether they are saved or will become saved or never become saved. At the various judgment scenarios that are noted in scripture; the sins of the sinners are noted. See Mt. 7:21-23, Jo. 3:19,20, Re. 20:11-15.
So, if someone wants to take the easy way out, they simply donât tell unbelievers that their sins matter or are offensive to our perfect Savior and will cause His wrath to be poured out. I know these thoughts are overly simplistic and although I donât believe I am called to be a social activist, I will speak out against sin on this forum or on the street when opportunity presents itself. If it is repulsive to God, it should be repulsive to us. I know of no scripture where God tells the saved or the unsaved that it is okay to sin against Him and in a way all are held to the same standard; namely perfection. The difference is Christâs perfection has been imputed to me, so I am not under the law of sin and death.
Well all I can say is if someone found 60 women that claimed they were molested by this fellow; that is a serious amount of accusers. In my opinion, it would be very difficult to find that many without there being truth found among them. With that said, what a terrible indictment that is against this fellow and against those in his ministry some of the parents that were involved.
I personally know a fellow in Germany who was molested by his priest when growing up. As he got older, he told his parents what took place and the priest was actually still serving. He told me his mom told him to keep quiet because she didn't want to scandalize their local catholic church.
As to the amount of Christians in a country, Iâm pretty sure that the U.S. has more âgenuineâ Christians than any country on the face of the earth. As to the amount of Christians holding high level government positions, my opinion is there are zero, yes zero, anywhere in the world. So, when I try to connect these dots, I would say my country is probably the greatest country on the face of the earth. But let me add this; other than the ancient nation of Israel, no other country has ever been prospered by God more than the U.S. and there is nothing that can drive people away from our Creator more than prosperity. And, to whom much is given, much is expected. And we all know, the love of money is the root of all evil.
 Trust not in oppression, and become not vain in robbery: if riches increase, set not your heart [upon them]. (Psa 62:10 KJV)
 A brutish man knoweth not; neither doth a fool understand this.  When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; [it is] that they shall be destroyed for ever: (Psa 92:6-7 KJV)
 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; (1Ti 6:17 KJV)
I am surprised that anyone joins the military anymore. The men have always used communal bathrooms/showers and at least during my era we all slept in big rooms with lots of bunks. Now who in their right mind would go into the military and witness what these folks will undoubtedly do?
Headsup wrote: Johnuk Where did I state I thought delores' comment was off topic?! You sure are a divisive fellow aren't you? You don't like correction either it seems. If any unbeliever stumbled on to these boards they would see some who profess Christ being argumentative and divisive... How sad and shameful. Learn not to add to or take from others comments. Good day
But, we should always understand the below thought.
Almost by definition, Christians will learn and grow in their theology and their understanding of scripture. To say otherwise is simply foolishness and not according to scripture.  And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, [even] as unto babes in Christ.  I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able [to bear it], neither yet now are ye able.  For ye are yet carnal: for whereas [there is] among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? (1Co 3:1-3 KJV)
However, here is an important caveat to my learning and growing thoughts. Truth that is not understood is often rejected by genuine born again believers, while truth that is understood can never be rejected by genuine born again believers.
And I was simply saying that I am not a Calvinist at all and I agree with his comment. A building where believers gather is not what 2 Chron.was referring to nor to any specific country today. That is my point and like you said, Iâm not sure what his total point was. Now you could make a very good case that my people refers to all believers in Christ and I would agree and I would also agree that all of us are to be salt and light and walk in a manner worthy of our Lord to show others the love and forgiveness available in Him. So, there is a sense that it applies to all believers. But our âlandâ, the U.S. was not the subject of 2 Chron. I was careful to say that if someone wants to apply it to countries today, then which one? But, I will say this and you will agree. Just because I donât think it applies to any country today, doesnât mean I shouldnât live like it does. As long as I can stay away from dominionism or ecumenicalism.
Thanks for your edit! My initial comment at 10:51 still stands and it considered the verses involved.
Michael Hranek wrote: headsup 1 - You don't want to humble yourself and pray and turn from your own wicked ways 2 - To actually obey God in faith means you get to find out if your God is really God (Calvinists sometimes (NOT ALL) hide in a warped view of predestiantionISM from an experiential knowing of the Sovereignty of God, that He is the Living God who hears and anwers prayers and fulfills His Promises, because then their Calvinism would have to change into a real walk with the Lord in a real loving obedience of all things, not just empty talk, talk, talk and excuses not to do anyting - other than promote a dry dead Calvinism)
I am not a calvinist as you know and I believe his exegesis of those verses are correct. You are adding to what he said unless you know more about him from his moniker.
I desire with my whole heart to do the things you noted above, but it will not heal "my land" and that is the main point he and I were making. He is my "Lord" and Savior so I should obey Him at all times because I have a new circumcized heart. Case settled. If your desire to obey Him is in part to heal our land, then so be it. It simply won't happen. How can the unsaved please our heavenly Father. THEY CAN'T.
2 Chronicles 7:13-14 KJV (13) If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people; (14) If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
âMy people can only refer to those who are in covenant with Him. Now here is my main point; if God is going to honor this verse in our world today, which land is He going to heal; there are Christians in every land on this earth? Would it be the land primarily occupied by Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. There was a time in history when God did establish a theocracy and ruled and reigned over a people group and that was the Jewish nation.
This verse cannot be applied to America or any other country. God was speaking to His people and their land that was given to them by Him. Note verse 17,18,19, and especially verse 20.
The U.S. has never been a country that was under a covenant with our heavenly Father. But it does sound nice. Many teach this verse as applying to some country in the world today and that is simply a form of dominionism that requires ecumenicalism to succeed.
MS wrote: Pastor Brian Schwertley on SA. "Women and Pants" 11/28/10.
Sister, I agree with you regarding women wearing pants. The issue is modesty and not legalism. I hope 1517 doesn't read this comment, but I think the following is appropriate. I remember visiting a Christian family in Hungary during the communist days. The first time I met them the ladies were wearing slacks. They then said when American missionaries (those who supported them) visited them, they changed to dresses, but when they left they would put their slacks back on. I was not one of their supporters. IOW, there are some things that tend to be cultural and as long as a woman and her husband think she is dressing modestly, then they are probably okay. I have never met a Christian that desires for someone to lust after his wife.
In Germany, after bible studies, etc., the men would head to the nearest bar and have beer and a time of fellowship.
And of course I could go on and on. I tend to look at these things I have noted when I am trying to decide whether I am being cultural or scriptural.
1 Timothy 2:13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. 14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
Genesis 3:2 The woman said to the serpent, âFrom the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; 3 but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, âYou shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.ââ 5 âFor God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.â
Satan is an angel of light and his biggest method for deception is to mix truth with error; not simply using error. IOW, just because someone speaks the truth doesnât mean he/she is speaking for God. When he told Eve that if she ate she would know good from evil, he was certainly speaking the truth. So, moniker lady and Ms. Ecumenical; both of you are clueless. And J4J, I donât know a time in history when one of the Grahams werenât speaking out and here we are.
As an aside, I think all of the Grahams are nice and kind people and so is the pope. If someone isn't in Christ, how can they serve him?